Some will agree that the UK govt's. open arms immigration policy contributes significantly to the pent up anger & frustration among the lower section of British society & some will argue that it doesn't...the facts remain unchanged irrespective of the different points of view on the issue...
It is very simple and shallow to blame the riots on immigration; it almost the same thing Hitler was stating about the jews, gypsies and others i.e. they are a cause of the ills of Germania.
The cost of immigration in the UK is neglible on the UK economy.
The anarchists who regularily disrupt the G7/ G20 Meetings and smash and riot are not protesting because of immigration or because the result of immigration.
The protests and riots were a reaction against the double standards in society; the poor economic policies and a demonstration against the ruling elite.
Have you forgotton the UK MP's who legally stole millions from the tax payer under expenses? or the rich who do not pay their taxes but enjoy the fine trappings of british society?
The average person in britain is suffering because of the above and not immigrationsuch policies. Immigration has caused some tensions and is being exploited by the facist and racist groups in the UK; however it is not a big issue because immigration is required to fill the jobs many locals will not do.
Hi everyone, new to this forum. Had an interview for a job in Doha the other day, but still in the UK right now. It has calmed down a lot now. Still a huge police presence on the streets. The whole thing started after police shot a man after he apparently drew a gun on them. After that it all kicked off, then there were copycat riots all over the country. 90% of them were teenagers born and bred in this country, not immigrants. The police were criticized for being to slow to react, then in parliament yesterday they were arguing about the budget cuts etc. The government claim they are needed so we don’t end up like some of the other countries around Europe are at the moment. I do agree that some cuts need to be made, however they have cut police and military budgets but doubled foreign aid?! Doesn’t make sense! The police in London have made over 1,000 arrests now. Still using CCTV to track down looters and have been raiding their homes day and night to catch as many of these scumbags as possible. There were even youtube videos of known football hooligans patrolling their own streets to protect them! Apparently some fans in Birmingham caught some looters and gave them a good shoeing. But as I said it is calming down now, hopefully I'll be leaving the UK soon anyway and get away from the constant doom and gloom I see in the news everyday!
London is burning and there seems to be no words of caution from the Europeans or the americans, no travel advisories or for travellers to be careful or to put off visits to London. All this seems in stark contrasts when this very same countries (UK included) are more then pro active to issue travel advisories when small riots and troubles break out in say Thailand, Malaysia, India, etc.
The story as it stands:- gangs of thugs(of ALL races) from the marginalized sections of society with years of pent up anger & frustration go on a rampage,the question to be asked is this,why do they have so much anger & frustration directed @ the Govt.?
Could it perhaps have something to do with the fact that their govt. in their silly bid to appear politically correct continues to remain a safe haven for illegal immigrants & supposed asylum-seekers & continues to house,feed & clothe these people while they(the gangs of thugs) despite being British citizens have to pay higher taxes & in return get less help from their own govt. & have to compete with the immigrants for jobs in their own country so much so that many of them remain unemployed while they see many of these immigrants who arrived yesterday by whatever means legal or illegal are now manning the corner shop? & on top of all of that,they have to stand by & watch while these very immigrants who they already see as being favoured by their govt. over it's own citizens take out marches & processions on public streets clamouring to implement THEIR way of life & THEIR views on their "adopted" country & the police actually allow it because "they have rights too"??? WTF? To me,an easier way to view this is to try & put oneself in the other person's shoes,if i were a British citizen from the lower,less privileged section of society & hard as life was,found it getting even harder,with more taxes to pay,lesser chances of getting a job simply because the govt. chooses to welcome refugees & asylum seekers with open arms no matter what the cost to it's own citizens,would i not be upset??? most definitely i would,please don't get me wrong,that is still no justification to go out there & loot & burn public & private property but my focus is here is on what has led to or partly what has led to things getting so out of control...
Make no mistake about it,this has a LOT to do with the govts. immigration policies & is partly a result of years of implementing those policies with little concern for the lower,marginalized sections of society...the anger & frustration has been building up over years,it was simply a matter of when it would burst not if, & that when is now...
Just because someone has a different point of view or chooses to see the reality of the situation for what it is does NOT mean they haven't thought about what they were going to say before saying it...
The riots have nothing to do with immigration policies. Nor are they confined to a particular race or nationality. There are white, black children as young as 12 involved; there are white, asian, black women looting.
In fact Britain has a long tradition of rioting; just do your research.
The issue of immigration is a different discussion which can be discussed on a separate topic.
By the way this criminality has nothing to do with people from "South Asia" as one uninformed poster stated above or with 'Sharia law'. I just hope people would think before they talked.
JL - Without getting into the nationality issue, let's accept the facts. UK has been a pioneer in liberal immigration policies and I think it is rooted in a sense of paying back to the people it colonized for so long. If you look at the immigrant population statistics ( Iám sure it's somewhere on the internet ), you will find that the population of educated employable youths in the country is declining and the communities coming from the third world countries have to be rationed out to meet their needs. I dont understand why UK has to be so politically correct even if it means enraging it's own population by cutting into their benefits.
UK must make it mandatory for all immigrants to follow the same cultural and economic sensitivities that it mandates for it's citizens. Why treat anyone differently?
Nomerci - Masses resort to voilence and looting and destruction when their views have not been heard or respected for a long time. I guess the time has extended beyond the threshold in this case. To me, this is simply the public way of showing their rage. Blaming it on a single cause will not be wise specially when UK has multiple points to correct.
@ johnlalay,South Asian is NOT a nationality... that is your assumption & hence your problem to deal with,if you are unable handle the truth,why engage in debate?...
Its not just London now, its spreading all over the country, Manchester, Birmingham, Bristol, all the major cities, they are protesting against the government as everyone has had enough of the high taxes and less jobs
gadarene said /-a-t-/ JasonPaul,then stop .../-a-t-/ JasonPaul,then stop electing these "politically correct" losers into government! you lot elect them so don't complain!...& it's not black & white like that,as a medical professional,i find it truly pathetic that your country,while requiring & utilizing the services of my fellow Indian medical professionals make it so hard for them to work/live in the UK while they bend over backwards to accomodate,feed & clothe immigrants from South Asia & elsewhere who are uneducated & contribute NOTHING to your society instead living off benefits paid for by YOUR taxes & then riot or take out marches demanding "sharia law in Britain"?!?!?!...boycott the elections if that's what it takes...good luck bud,you guys need it!...p.l.u.rMon, 08/08/2011 - 10:23pm Mr. Gutterene, read in bold, and then tell me, who else other than Pakistani's are living in majority in UK among south asians???__________________________[STOP! Moderator]
Pilgram, maybe those who are organizing the rioters have an agenda.You will always find that once something like this starts, those with an agends will very quickly crawl from under their rocks .
I never said it did Brit. When a toddler throws a tantrum you spank them. The same needs to be done with these yobs. However spanking isn't enough, that will just stop further riots for the time being. A hard look needs to be taken at the underlying causes of these riots and real solutions need to be offered.
I agree that the dis satisfaction could be along income-lines. However, this does not give them the right to cause anarchy and mayhem whilst destroying the lives of others.
I don't think these kids (and thats whose causing these riots) have an agenda. I don't think they have anything. No jobs, no education, no futures, no dreams, no hopes, no desires. They're faceless and they're pissed off and they have no better way of expressing themselves than a toddler does, by throwing it's toys out of the pram.
And Rodney King was a crackhead, but he stood as an important example of police brutality. I believe that the initial peaceful protests were about the belief that the police had gone to far when they shot and killed a father of four. But just like the LA riots, things got out of hand when opportunists became involved.
lol the drug dealer is an important member of a society that is populated with drug abusers... hence the riots lol....this incident is a trailer presenting Aftermath of War on Drugs campaign .
They are blaming it on recession, budget cuts, black guys, then all immigrants, then the white guys too and then looters and trouble makers and it goes on.I was just wondering if it was not the sins of their forefathers and the looting and destruction of people and countries in Asia and Africa carried out by them in the name of the Great Empire that is now coming back to haunt them.
I'm reading a lot of conflicting views on what the underlying cause of the riots are, the liberals are blaming conservative budget cuts, the conservatives are blaming liberal "pampering." The only thing both sides agree on is that race has nothing to do with these riots, the people out there are of every skin colour. THis seems to be drawn more on income lines, than racial lines.
@ JohnLalay...??? have concluded NOTHING nor have i mentioned ANY single nationality or country ANYWHERE on this post...i said & i repeat, housing,feeding & clothing ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS & POLITICAL ASYLUM SEEKERS with British public taxes are PART of the reason people are so upset & frustrated...the ONLY one doing any specific blaming here is YOU,by mentioning a particular nationality...now please kindly point out to me,where specifically on this post i have named or blamed any one single nationality?...you have made an accusation,now prove it,if you're man enough to do it else i suggest you keep that foot firmly planted in your mouth & that tail firmly held between your legs & leave the topic instead of just trying to stir s#$t when you have a sum total of nothing to contribute...i have neither the time nor the inclination to attempt debate with someone that is so clearly incapable of it...now please reply specifically pointing out where on this post i have named or blamed a particular nationality else don't waste my time...if you have guilt issues that is for you to deal with yourself...
Well, don't know much about London, whats happening there, but for sure, i can see RIOTS on QLPS: Can't U read Gutterene had concluded the root cause of London riots and as usual he had blamed it over Pakistani community.Gosh, i'm afraid, if next time the issue of indian population raised, and he'll not blame Pakistani's ;)
mathboy - Not sure where you come from but in my place what you wrote above is considered a sure sign of arrogance and delusional rambling my friend. The fact that the moderators of this site are evn allowing your post to exist this while proves to me that this site is a mediocre one.
Lost in space - and you try and make the things going on out there in London look like a isolated incident whereas its clear to the world that London has been out of control and burning for the last three days.
Brit - The police couldn't be tougher in the beginning coz their political masters were trying to figure out if there was a racist element to the entire chaos. By then all hell broke loose. I guess the youngesters are having a field day with all the booze and gadgets looted during the past three days. Day one was crucial and the authorities succeeded is successfully screwing up the whole situation.
From what we have seen on TV this past few days places like Afghanistan, Pakistan, India, etc look more peaceful compared to what has been going on in London. This anger and aggression must have been building up all this time and the British leaders must have been busy spending more time advising and telling other countries how to go about their things and having little time to put their own backyard in order.
lets agree to disagree. I think that the media and PC brigade are trying to attribute aspects to the anarchy without any real basis.
The guy who was shot was black and was being investigated under operation trident - a team that deals with Black on black crime.
The anarchists have been shown to be of all colours and races. I still belive that it is opportunists. If the police had been allowed to be more agressive in the outset, i'm sure it would have been nipped in the bud..
You did not mention the police but mentioned the shooting of a 'DRUG DEALER'., which you thought was a 'hilarious' response from the public to riot. What i am saying is that there are laws in the UK to which all have to follow, not just the public.
I am surprised at the angle people are diverting this thread to. This upsurge of anarchy has nothing to do with immigration or underclasses. It is hoodlum minority who have taken advantage of an incident and caused mayhem for their own benefit.
You don't make political statements by looting electrical and sports stores.
Gadarene - I agree with you. The debate in US of creating the gorund zero mosque was as hilarious as the issue ofa particular community coming out in huge numbers to loot and wreck havoc in protest of a DRUG DEALER getting shot and killed by the cops.
I will maintain that this is UK#s own doing and nobody#s to blame.
@ blastfreezer,nobody seems to be appeasing them as much as the Brits are!...& anyways,appeasing 'minorities' is one thing,turning a blind eye toward obviously millitant,fundamentalist groups amongst those minorities is a whole other...like i said,political correctness gone horribly wrong & as with every wrong,there is a price to pay...
Name me any other country in the world that have not accepted that anti-social groups exists in day to day life? London riots have all but stopped, Manchester and Liverpool are under control. As i said before, a storm in a tea cup!
Gadarene - Easier said than done. Britons have accepted the existance of anti social groups ácting'civilized amidst them. The government seems to be appeasing the minorities as is the case with many other countries.
My posts on the topic may seem off-topic but my point is this,be it laying it out on a platter for illegal immigrants or not coming down really hard on this bunch taking advantage of the situation by looting shops & setting fire to public & private property,it is time to flush political correctness down the drain & GET WITH THE PROGRAMME!...if this isn't a wake-up call,i don't know what is...it's really pathetic to see a bunch of bloody hooligans holding a country & a government to ransom...
Yes for someone like you who has seen so much pain and voilence in your childhood, this can be a rude reminder. Iám sure this hurts you more than it hurts some others here.
Tinker - These people are doing what a mob does best. I think this is not going to stop easily. They have burnt own the Sony Warehouse and looted it as well. The images of the buring warehouse seems like from a warzone.
I am more interested to know what will happen next. How the govt is going to prevent a repeat, what measures it will take, how serious David was when he said" As you were prepared to cause such damage, be prepared to receive the punishment. You will bear the full force of the Law." How forceful will the Law be.I was expecting something like this to happen but not so soon.
This is clearly the result of sleeping on your problems and ignoring the obvious for too long. Europe must wake up. Stringent immigration laws are required and the natural laws of segregation must be followed. My fear is, this might not turn outto be somewhat of an European Spring.
@ jason,i don't know what to reply to a comparison of the UK with this neck of the woods! the UK is part of the REAL world,this isn't!...i definitely don't 'hate' anyone or any place,just seems like very skewered immigration policies on the part of successive Govts. making it harder for people who do contribute to get on with their lives while laying it all out on a platter for those who don't,surely we're in agreement that something's not right with that?...would you agree that these Govt. policies of taxing British citizens more & more while laying it out for illegal immigrants & suppossed refugees has played some part in causing people to get frustrated with the system & take advantage of the situation by looting & rioting?...As Alumnar has clearly pointed out,there is NOTHING to compare between the UK (or any democratically elected Govt.) govt. & here...& in any case,two wrongs don't make a right now do they?...
The simple fact is that anarchists and opportunists have taken advantage of the situation and caused mayhem and violence. If you look at the pictures, most of these punks have looted electrical stores and sports shops for personal gain. It really has nothing to do with "underclass" or disenfranchisement.
The Police need to follow the N.I model and use force to quell these threats.
I'm sure normalcy will return in a few days, but the damamge done will take years to repair. :O(
Flames, rioting engulf London for third day(AFP)9 August 2011, 8:41 AMIn unprecedented scenes of rioting in the capital, buildings were in flames in Croydon, Peckham and Lewisham in the city’s south, while gangs of looters roamed the streets of Hackney in the east, Clapham in the south, Camden in the north and Ealing in the west.Violence and looting raged across London and spread to three other major British cities on Tuesday, as authorities struggled to contain the country’s most serious unrest since race riots set the capital ablaze in the 1980s.
Qatar 'government' choses to ignore what is happening to all these labourers and lower income groups - that is the fact. If they did not have the 'sponsorship' system and force many of these people to stay, not allowing them to change sponsors, demand human living conditions, give them proper healthcare and legal working hours, pay them on time... (the list goes on and on) then they would have mass exits. The sponsorship system and the requirement to apply for an 'exit visa' everytime somebody wants to leave the country is, imho, a form of 'ownership and imprisonment'.
Gad you need to jump of your anti h8 UK campaign wagon and find some tru facts out, look around this country lots of indians, pinos all living in squaller, neglected my the government, immigration yet working equally as hard as your prof counterparts in the uk
@ ramil,the truth isn't always easy to digest my friend but that doesn't change the fact that it's the truth...i'm a professional yes but if you knew me personally you'd know that i'm anything but a 'social climber'!!! i count people from ALL walks of life as friends & acquaintances & i resent people who choose friends & interact based on social standing but the fact is this,i have colleagues of mine,@ the top of their graduating class offering their skills & their services to the community in the UK & yet have had days when they have to survive on tea & toast & aren't sure if their work permits will be extended while the govt. is busy providing housing,food & funds to people who come to the UK ILLEGALLY,have NO educational qualifications to speak of & can't put a sentence together in English,meaning their sum total contribution to British society:NIL,NADA,NOTHING & yet taxpayers have to pay increasingly HIGHER taxes so the govt. can give these refugees/illegal immigrants benefits??? Really,is it any surprise these riots are happening?...
gadarene, i used to like your posts, never thought you're such a racist. You are one example why i prefer being friends with cleaners than racist social climber profesionals(?)....
...and the British foreign office is more then quick to issue travel advisories whenever there are riots or crackers going off in other parts of the world but now it seems to be so silent and the americans and other europeans seem to be more quieter then the British themselves.
..and calling those guys who are protesing and are taking their anger out on the police, the shops and surroundings immigrants is far from the truth. They are as British as anybody else out there and you certainly dont have to be white to be British
Yes Alumnar I agree but on the larger picture this points back to the governement not the coalition that is in office today back to labour and in 97 when blair/brown introduced emplyees contribution tax on company, the top five brit gas, brit telecom, united util and 2 more i cant think of right now, well they all went to downing street to protest that this additional tax would eat into their profits and brown wouldnt budge so the outsourcing culture commenced aptly in india a rise in construction of building recruiting of call centre staff all this still being cheaper than the tax charge these companies faced lots more business followed suit one by one they left unemployment rose,the point is it has happen and this coalition for all the grief labour left them with are trying to turn things around hence the budget cuts which are far to excessive, if they simply lowered the tax more people could breathe/spend more economy grows but this things dont happen over night nor i guess in the next 5-6 years, it is hard now for all people in the uk and those that can afford to are no longer there, i doubt it will recover to its former glory but it is still and will always be there to help the people who as it is duely noted in here dont want to help them selves sad times
Jason, I love the UK and it hurts not to feel safe to walk around during the day in Middlesbrough, never mind at night! Some things are too late to change but cutting costs like firing thousands of policeforce and taking child allowance away just show how low and sad the situation of the country is. I ask myself how many people manage - and am not surprised about the constant increase in crime. Living in the UK has been made almost impossible for many families.
@ Jason,don't get me wrong bud, i'm Indian & a medical professional so i speak for my colleagues,there are MANY nationalities contributing positively in every profession to society in the UK,my point was that while your Govt. makes it hard for non-EU citizens who contribute to society & pay taxes,they bend over backwards to accomodate the "political asylum" seekers who contribute NOTHING except feed off the system by way of benefits & then go out & demand "their way of life" be implemeted in the UK! THAT is how audacious YOUR govt. makes them!...
yeah i know,it's like choosing between the devil & the deep sea,sad state of affairs,none taken! I feel weird when i visit the UK & walk around some parts so i can imagine how UK citizens must feel!...it's a real shame if you ask me...
oh and i had just calm down ! and that i will remain, i have voted since being of the legal age, medical proffssional is only one aspect of where you 'fellow indian students choose to gain medical qualifications and i emphasis the word their choice! from the UK bit of your post im unsure as to your point, are you implying indians are the only educated nation that enter in the country as i know a few good polish builders who contribute to the tax system, spanish carpenters again pay there dues and as for people demanding laws from there homeland well this my friend is a story that goes back as long as the story of the world is known, Cathelics, Christians, and as for boycott the elections what will that really achieve?? I thank you for you vote of good luck though yes ur right britain does need it as does a lot of countries that make up this planetand Plur be upon you to
@ Alumnar,my point was that my colleagues contribute to society by way of their profession AND pay their taxes YET the Govt. favours people who feed OFF the system rather than contribute TO it...the UK govt. ought to be taking care of it's own people AND immigrants who CONTRIBUTE to society rather than those that feed OFF IT...
And btw - those politically correct losers are all the same, no matter which party in power. The mistakes have been done and cannot be corrected anymore. The UK has lost its identity because of allowing anybody in to live and claim benefits. Most areas are like walking around Pakistan (no offense meant!!!).
Gadarene, the UK makes it hard for their own people to live there, so what do you expect any different for your fellow colleagues? If the UK took care of their own people first like Qatar does, then nothing like this would happen. It would be the common sentence heard on this Forum and on the streets: 'don't like it, go home!'.
@ JasonPaul,then stop electing these "politically correct" losers into government! you lot elect them so don't complain!...& it's not black & white like that,as a medical professional,i find it truly pathetic that your country,while requiring & utilizing the services of my fellow Indian medical professionals make it so hard for them to work/live in the UK while they bend over backwards to accomodate,feed & clothe immigrants from South Asia & elsewhere who are uneducated & contribute NOTHING to your society instead living off benefits paid for by YOUR taxes & then riot or take out marches demanding "sharia law in Britain"?!?!?!...boycott the elections if that's what it takes...good luck bud,you guys need it!...
Draccy, the whole of europe needs to sort things out...mind you, england in particular, at this point. But I really do belive that all this will , at some point, have a major backlash, and that won't be pretty for those who incite things like this ...and other things...
" a major part of London burning or being burnt" by ...IMMIGRANTS!...Most of these people were foreign nationals...immigrants from third world countries who come from lawless counties ,and come to the UK to behave like thugs..
As I'm I London at the moment I can report it's just a little local difficulty between Police and some elements of the local community - damage caused certainly but no one lost their lives in the riots, unlike most places we have seen recently.
Riots spread in London, questions raised over security of 2012 OlympicsLONDON: The British capital continued to smoulder under a series of 'copycat' riots that engulfed the city for a second day, with looting and arson reported in new areas, just miles from the site of next year's Olympic Games, prompting authorities to arrest as many as 160 people.
Joe, I agree, insofar as the police shoulld be able to stop it in London. But then again, I suppose with all the political correctnss and pay cuts, this is quite a task...
Now the big question is whether London is a safe place to hold the 2012 olympic games. If a few bombs go off in say India or some other third world countries which are many times the size of the UK they start making a lot of noises that the countries are not safe, issuing travel advisories and so on and here we have a major part of London burning or being burnt
Well, we will see what kind of backlash this one will have. Maybe now some people have gone too far?In the end, they are digging their own grave. The sad part is the destruction and pain for those who have nothing to do with it all.Looks like London or England is going to be pretty angry...
Azamat i part agree with you when you quote we let them in, this problem stems far deeper than meets they eye is is prodominently with are countrys part involvement with the EU and there cross migration quota policy but also alot more so in london than any other part of the UK, peolpe who either come from forign grounds to study/vacation then fall under the radar, hence the high rise in violant attacks, burglery, drug dealing gangs etc (as this becomes there only mean of income, from personal experiance i had 15 of my teeth brutally kicked out of my mouth whilst walking home from a bar and would you believe that tongue of these people was certainly not the queens language, i have written with my local and national mps and voice my opinion as that is my british right to do so and i and by far no armchair debater, with the fact of them as you put it being our problem now, we shot an armed gang member who resisted arrest and this is the backlash our country is facing again i agree with you but how can this be implemented for example if it happen here it would be prison or deportation or singapore (we all know of the brit from qatar who is about to get a bigger caning than he had hoped for. but the UK hell you we are known for are politcal correctness, our language is spoken in every corner of the globe, why ? because of our understanding and respect to respect each and every other human being regardless of nationality colour or orientation but it is now high time that a line was drawn and the rules changed because it is way now apparent our atributes are being exploited and abused how this is achieved is far beyond the control of someone like me
Jason - You let them in. They're your problem now ;)Looks like none of your politicians have the backbone to stand up and face the truth about immigration problems. They're busy being politically correct, and spreading soft feminist agenda. LOL!
They are anarchists who have siezed on an opportunity to loot and cause disorder..
I agree that they should be handed stiff punishments and made to pay for the damamge they have caused. However, its not about immigrants or non-whites.
its bloody disgusting that what it is and the majority of the looters/rioters are immigrants fleeing persicution from there own country, i think those caught should be deported, deported and not banged up in prison further burdoning the over stretched UK taxpayers, call me racist i dont care, but you look on all the news footage, you wont see one white man in the background again disgusting and azamat london is no ghetto it a bloody holiday camp for immigrants who are far from being marginalised, tearing up a high street to demand answers from police officer who by english law are not allowed to speak of matters under the ipc is not the way to behave regardless of their plight/protection of a well known criminal, the UK would benefit from a few laws in place in this country. and breathe
That's what happens in the ghetto. Criminal or not, it's just a trigger. People live with pent up frustrations, feelings of being marginalised. One fine day a trigger like this one opens the flood gates. Mobs take over from there.
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frustation reveals every where in different shapes, even on QL.
Some will agree that the UK govt's. open arms immigration policy contributes significantly to the pent up anger & frustration among the lower section of British society & some will argue that it doesn't...the facts remain unchanged irrespective of the different points of view on the issue...
It is very simple and shallow to blame the riots on immigration; it almost the same thing Hitler was stating about the jews, gypsies and others i.e. they are a cause of the ills of Germania.
The cost of immigration in the UK is neglible on the UK economy.
The anarchists who regularily disrupt the G7/ G20 Meetings and smash and riot are not protesting because of immigration or because the result of immigration.
The protests and riots were a reaction against the double standards in society; the poor economic policies and a demonstration against the ruling elite.
Have you forgotton the UK MP's who legally stole millions from the tax payer under expenses? or the rich who do not pay their taxes but enjoy the fine trappings of british society?
The average person in britain is suffering because of the above and not immigrationsuch policies. Immigration has caused some tensions and is being exploited by the facist and racist groups in the UK; however it is not a big issue because immigration is required to fill the jobs many locals will not do.
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Hi everyone, new to this forum. Had an interview for a job in Doha the other day, but still in the UK right now. It has calmed down a lot now. Still a huge police presence on the streets. The whole thing started after police shot a man after he apparently drew a gun on them. After that it all kicked off, then there were copycat riots all over the country. 90% of them were teenagers born and bred in this country, not immigrants. The police were criticized for being to slow to react, then in parliament yesterday they were arguing about the budget cuts etc. The government claim they are needed so we don’t end up like some of the other countries around Europe are at the moment. I do agree that some cuts need to be made, however they have cut police and military budgets but doubled foreign aid?! Doesn’t make sense! The police in London have made over 1,000 arrests now. Still using CCTV to track down looters and have been raiding their homes day and night to catch as many of these scumbags as possible. There were even youtube videos of known football hooligans patrolling their own streets to protect them! Apparently some fans in Birmingham caught some looters and gave them a good shoeing. But as I said it is calming down now, hopefully I'll be leaving the UK soon anyway and get away from the constant doom and gloom I see in the news everyday!
Gadarene - Very aptly and wisely put my friend. I couldn't agree more.
In the US too...
that a brit said "This would never happen in America cause thier police have guns"??? What about the LA riots??? Duh...
London is burning and there seems to be no words of caution from the Europeans or the americans, no travel advisories or for travellers to be careful or to put off visits to London. All this seems in stark contrasts when this very same countries (UK included) are more then pro active to issue travel advisories when small riots and troubles break out in say Thailand, Malaysia, India, etc.
Nukes are way off civilian reach in Afghan... and the remaining are onboard to libya and syria... :P
I think UK nukes may go in wrong hands. am concerned!!
Thanks to riots! UK homes have got a TV to watch the 2012 games :P
The story as it stands:- gangs of thugs(of ALL races) from the marginalized sections of society with years of pent up anger & frustration go on a rampage,the question to be asked is this,why do they have so much anger & frustration directed @ the Govt.?
Could it perhaps have something to do with the fact that their govt. in their silly bid to appear politically correct continues to remain a safe haven for illegal immigrants & supposed asylum-seekers & continues to house,feed & clothe these people while they(the gangs of thugs) despite being British citizens have to pay higher taxes & in return get less help from their own govt. & have to compete with the immigrants for jobs in their own country so much so that many of them remain unemployed while they see many of these immigrants who arrived yesterday by whatever means legal or illegal are now manning the corner shop? & on top of all of that,they have to stand by & watch while these very immigrants who they already see as being favoured by their govt. over it's own citizens take out marches & processions on public streets clamouring to implement THEIR way of life & THEIR views on their "adopted" country & the police actually allow it because "they have rights too"??? WTF? To me,an easier way to view this is to try & put oneself in the other person's shoes,if i were a British citizen from the lower,less privileged section of society & hard as life was,found it getting even harder,with more taxes to pay,lesser chances of getting a job simply because the govt. chooses to welcome refugees & asylum seekers with open arms no matter what the cost to it's own citizens,would i not be upset??? most definitely i would,please don't get me wrong,that is still no justification to go out there & loot & burn public & private property but my focus is here is on what has led to or partly what has led to things getting so out of control...
Make no mistake about it,this has a LOT to do with the govts. immigration policies & is partly a result of years of implementing those policies with little concern for the lower,marginalized sections of society...the anger & frustration has been building up over years,it was simply a matter of when it would burst not if, & that when is now...
Just because someone has a different point of view or chooses to see the reality of the situation for what it is does NOT mean they haven't thought about what they were going to say before saying it...
The riots have nothing to do with immigration policies. Nor are they confined to a particular race or nationality. There are white, black children as young as 12 involved; there are white, asian, black women looting.
In fact Britain has a long tradition of rioting; just do your research.
The issue of immigration is a different discussion which can be discussed on a separate topic.
By the way this criminality has nothing to do with people from "South Asia" as one uninformed poster stated above or with 'Sharia law'. I just hope people would think before they talked.
JL - Without getting into the nationality issue, let's accept the facts. UK has been a pioneer in liberal immigration policies and I think it is rooted in a sense of paying back to the people it colonized for so long. If you look at the immigrant population statistics ( Iám sure it's somewhere on the internet ), you will find that the population of educated employable youths in the country is declining and the communities coming from the third world countries have to be rationed out to meet their needs. I dont understand why UK has to be so politically correct even if it means enraging it's own population by cutting into their benefits.
UK must make it mandatory for all immigrants to follow the same cultural and economic sensitivities that it mandates for it's citizens. Why treat anyone differently?
Nomerci - Masses resort to voilence and looting and destruction when their views have not been heard or respected for a long time. I guess the time has extended beyond the threshold in this case. To me, this is simply the public way of showing their rage. Blaming it on a single cause will not be wise specially when UK has multiple points to correct.
@ johnlalay,South Asian is NOT a nationality... that is your assumption & hence your problem to deal with,if you are unable handle the truth,why engage in debate?...
There is nothing wrong with protesting, as long as it is just that, protesting, not stealing and destroying other people's property.
Its not just London now, its spreading all over the country, Manchester, Birmingham, Bristol, all the major cities, they are protesting against the government as everyone has had enough of the high taxes and less jobs
gadarene said /-a-t-/ JasonPaul,then stop .../-a-t-/ JasonPaul,then stop electing these "politically correct" losers into government! you lot elect them so don't complain!...& it's not black & white like that,as a medical professional,i find it truly pathetic that your country,while requiring & utilizing the services of my fellow Indian medical professionals make it so hard for them to work/live in the UK while they bend over backwards to accomodate,feed & clothe immigrants from South Asia & elsewhere who are uneducated & contribute NOTHING to your society instead living off benefits paid for by YOUR taxes & then riot or take out marches demanding "sharia law in Britain"?!?!?!...boycott the elections if that's what it takes...good luck bud,you guys need it!...p.l.u.rMon, 08/08/2011 - 10:23pm Mr. Gutterene, read in bold, and then tell me, who else other than Pakistani's are living in majority in UK among south asians???__________________________[STOP! Moderator]
Pilgram, maybe those who are organizing the rioters have an agenda.You will always find that once something like this starts, those with an agends will very quickly crawl from under their rocks .
I never said it did Brit. When a toddler throws a tantrum you spank them. The same needs to be done with these yobs. However spanking isn't enough, that will just stop further riots for the time being. A hard look needs to be taken at the underlying causes of these riots and real solutions need to be offered.
I agree that the dis satisfaction could be along income-lines. However, this does not give them the right to cause anarchy and mayhem whilst destroying the lives of others.
I don't think these kids (and thats whose causing these riots) have an agenda. I don't think they have anything. No jobs, no education, no futures, no dreams, no hopes, no desires. They're faceless and they're pissed off and they have no better way of expressing themselves than a toddler does, by throwing it's toys out of the pram.
It is usually people with their own agendas that mess everything up.
And Rodney King was a crackhead, but he stood as an important example of police brutality. I believe that the initial peaceful protests were about the belief that the police had gone to far when they shot and killed a father of four. But just like the LA riots, things got out of hand when opportunists became involved.
lol the drug dealer is an important member of a society that is populated with drug abusers... hence the riots lol....this incident is a trailer presenting Aftermath of War on Drugs campaign .
They are blaming it on recession, budget cuts, black guys, then all immigrants, then the white guys too and then looters and trouble makers and it goes on.I was just wondering if it was not the sins of their forefathers and the looting and destruction of people and countries in Asia and Africa carried out by them in the name of the Great Empire that is now coming back to haunt them.
I'm reading a lot of conflicting views on what the underlying cause of the riots are, the liberals are blaming conservative budget cuts, the conservatives are blaming liberal "pampering." The only thing both sides agree on is that race has nothing to do with these riots, the people out there are of every skin colour. THis seems to be drawn more on income lines, than racial lines.
nomerci, London seems to be quietening down but the trouble has spread north to Manchester & Birmingham...
I just hope for the sake of the people in London that things will be quiet from now on. Carry on with your petty little squabbles people.
@ JohnLalay...??? have concluded NOTHING nor have i mentioned ANY single nationality or country ANYWHERE on this post...i said & i repeat, housing,feeding & clothing ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS & POLITICAL ASYLUM SEEKERS with British public taxes are PART of the reason people are so upset & frustrated...the ONLY one doing any specific blaming here is YOU,by mentioning a particular nationality...now please kindly point out to me,where specifically on this post i have named or blamed any one single nationality?...you have made an accusation,now prove it,if you're man enough to do it else i suggest you keep that foot firmly planted in your mouth & that tail firmly held between your legs & leave the topic instead of just trying to stir s#$t when you have a sum total of nothing to contribute...i have neither the time nor the inclination to attempt debate with someone that is so clearly incapable of it...now please reply specifically pointing out where on this post i have named or blamed a particular nationality else don't waste my time...if you have guilt issues that is for you to deal with yourself...
Well, don't know much about London, whats happening there, but for sure, i can see RIOTS on QLPS: Can't U read Gutterene had concluded the root cause of London riots and as usual he had blamed it over Pakistani community.Gosh, i'm afraid, if next time the issue of indian population raised, and he'll not blame Pakistani's ;)
mathboy - Not sure where you come from but in my place what you wrote above is considered a sure sign of arrogance and delusional rambling my friend. The fact that the moderators of this site are evn allowing your post to exist this while proves to me that this site is a mediocre one.
Comparing Afghan to London is like comparing a sensible person to yourself, a whole different story.
Lost in space - and you try and make the things going on out there in London look like a isolated incident whereas its clear to the world that London has been out of control and burning for the last three days.
Brit - The police couldn't be tougher in the beginning coz their political masters were trying to figure out if there was a racist element to the entire chaos. By then all hell broke loose. I guess the youngesters are having a field day with all the booze and gadgets looted during the past three days. Day one was crucial and the authorities succeeded is successfully screwing up the whole situation.
an easy copout, well done.
From what we have seen on TV this past few days places like Afghanistan, Pakistan, India, etc look more peaceful compared to what has been going on in London. This anger and aggression must have been building up all this time and the British leaders must have been busy spending more time advising and telling other countries how to go about their things and having little time to put their own backyard in order.
Today, thousands of volunteers from all social backgrounds have used twitter to come together and begin the cleaning process..
LIS - That's quite obvious. Isn't it? After all, it's The GB and not Somalia or some failed state :0
lets agree to disagree. I think that the media and PC brigade are trying to attribute aspects to the anarchy without any real basis.
The guy who was shot was black and was being investigated under operation trident - a team that deals with Black on black crime.
The anarchists have been shown to be of all colours and races. I still belive that it is opportunists. If the police had been allowed to be more agressive in the outset, i'm sure it would have been nipped in the bud..
You did not mention the police but mentioned the shooting of a 'DRUG DEALER'., which you thought was a 'hilarious' response from the public to riot. What i am saying is that there are laws in the UK to which all have to follow, not just the public.
LIS - Where have I said anything about police . They are following orders. it's the politicians who have to speak up.
Brite - This is not to make a political statement. It is an expression of anger built up over decades.
If this would have happened in September when the kids were back at school it would not have been half as bad!
Blastfreezer,absolutely,this is COMPLETELY their own doing & they really have no one else to blame...you reap what you sow as the saying goes...
There are laws in the UK that even the police have to adhere to, unlawful killing is a criminal offence as much to the police as the general public.
I am surprised at the angle people are diverting this thread to. This upsurge of anarchy has nothing to do with immigration or underclasses. It is hoodlum minority who have taken advantage of an incident and caused mayhem for their own benefit.
You don't make political statements by looting electrical and sports stores.
Gadarene - I agree with you. The debate in US of creating the gorund zero mosque was as hilarious as the issue ofa particular community coming out in huge numbers to loot and wreck havoc in protest of a DRUG DEALER getting shot and killed by the cops.
I will maintain that this is UK#s own doing and nobody#s to blame.
Spain, Italy and France are next in line.
@ blastfreezer,nobody seems to be appeasing them as much as the Brits are!...& anyways,appeasing 'minorities' is one thing,turning a blind eye toward obviously millitant,fundamentalist groups amongst those minorities is a whole other...like i said,political correctness gone horribly wrong & as with every wrong,there is a price to pay...
LIS, I don't know...i have friends over in London, and they are telling a very different story.
Name me any other country in the world that have not accepted that anti-social groups exists in day to day life? London riots have all but stopped, Manchester and Liverpool are under control. As i said before, a storm in a tea cup!
Maybe now some governments will wake up and smell the coffee...although I have little hope...
Gadarene - Easier said than done. Britons have accepted the existance of anti social groups ácting'civilized amidst them. The government seems to be appeasing the minorities as is the case with many other countries.
My posts on the topic may seem off-topic but my point is this,be it laying it out on a platter for illegal immigrants or not coming down really hard on this bunch taking advantage of the situation by looting shops & setting fire to public & private property,it is time to flush political correctness down the drain & GET WITH THE PROGRAMME!...if this isn't a wake-up call,i don't know what is...it's really pathetic to see a bunch of bloody hooligans holding a country & a government to ransom...
Yes for someone like you who has seen so much pain and voilence in your childhood, this can be a rude reminder. Iám sure this hurts you more than it hurts some others here.
Tinker - These people are doing what a mob does best. I think this is not going to stop easily. They have burnt own the Sony Warehouse and looted it as well. The images of the buring warehouse seems like from a warzone.
You, and I quote, "MUST" stick to the topic. Dont spend too much time worrying about my posts mate.
LIS - I don't need to 'post' to 'enjoy' a discussion buddy. No i'am not that kind.
1 comment regarding the topic out of 80 posts, where is your discussion? or are you another 'listen to me im always right' kind of person?
No one did LIS. It#s just that your comments are coming in my way of enjoying a good discussion.
LIS, quite a few of those around....
And who rattled your cage??
LIS - You seem to know this guy too well. Are you both related?
You must stick to the topic or give your fingers some rest buddy.
8/8/2011. The guy is an absolute arse!!
LIS...where????
I am more interested to know what will happen next. How the govt is going to prevent a repeat, what measures it will take, how serious David was when he said" As you were prepared to cause such damage, be prepared to receive the punishment. You will bear the full force of the Law." How forceful will the Law be.I was expecting something like this to happen but not so soon.
This is clearly the result of sleeping on your problems and ignoring the obvious for too long. Europe must wake up. Stringent immigration laws are required and the natural laws of segregation must be followed. My fear is, this might not turn outto be somewhat of an European Spring.
The almighty arsehole of QL has spoken, please take note all!!
@ jason,i don't know what to reply to a comparison of the UK with this neck of the woods! the UK is part of the REAL world,this isn't!...i definitely don't 'hate' anyone or any place,just seems like very skewered immigration policies on the part of successive Govts. making it harder for people who do contribute to get on with their lives while laying it all out on a platter for those who don't,surely we're in agreement that something's not right with that?...would you agree that these Govt. policies of taxing British citizens more & more while laying it out for illegal immigrants & suppossed refugees has played some part in causing people to get frustrated with the system & take advantage of the situation by looting & rioting?...As Alumnar has clearly pointed out,there is NOTHING to compare between the UK (or any democratically elected Govt.) govt. & here...& in any case,two wrongs don't make a right now do they?...
Very true brit. Looting amongst the chaos because they know that with all rhe confusion they can get away with it. Opportunism at its best.
The simple fact is that anarchists and opportunists have taken advantage of the situation and caused mayhem and violence. If you look at the pictures, most of these punks have looted electrical stores and sports shops for personal gain. It really has nothing to do with "underclass" or disenfranchisement.
The Police need to follow the N.I model and use force to quell these threats.
I'm sure normalcy will return in a few days, but the damamge done will take years to repair. :O(
This is going to get so difficult to control :(((
Flames, rioting engulf London for third day(AFP)9 August 2011, 8:41 AMIn unprecedented scenes of rioting in the capital, buildings were in flames in Croydon, Peckham and Lewisham in the city’s south, while gangs of looters roamed the streets of Hackney in the east, Clapham in the south, Camden in the north and Ealing in the west.Violence and looting raged across London and spread to three other major British cities on Tuesday, as authorities struggled to contain the country’s most serious unrest since race riots set the capital ablaze in the 1980s.
Morning Jason :)
Qatar 'government' choses to ignore what is happening to all these labourers and lower income groups - that is the fact. If they did not have the 'sponsorship' system and force many of these people to stay, not allowing them to change sponsors, demand human living conditions, give them proper healthcare and legal working hours, pay them on time... (the list goes on and on) then they would have mass exits. The sponsorship system and the requirement to apply for an 'exit visa' everytime somebody wants to leave the country is, imho, a form of 'ownership and imprisonment'.
Gad you need to jump of your anti h8 UK campaign wagon and find some tru facts out, look around this country lots of indians, pinos all living in squaller, neglected my the government, immigration yet working equally as hard as your prof counterparts in the uk
@ ramil,the truth isn't always easy to digest my friend but that doesn't change the fact that it's the truth...i'm a professional yes but if you knew me personally you'd know that i'm anything but a 'social climber'!!! i count people from ALL walks of life as friends & acquaintances & i resent people who choose friends & interact based on social standing but the fact is this,i have colleagues of mine,@ the top of their graduating class offering their skills & their services to the community in the UK & yet have had days when they have to survive on tea & toast & aren't sure if their work permits will be extended while the govt. is busy providing housing,food & funds to people who come to the UK ILLEGALLY,have NO educational qualifications to speak of & can't put a sentence together in English,meaning their sum total contribution to British society:NIL,NADA,NOTHING & yet taxpayers have to pay increasingly HIGHER taxes so the govt. can give these refugees/illegal immigrants benefits??? Really,is it any surprise these riots are happening?...
Yawn mathboy - please crawl back where you came from and stop harrassing people. Cheers!
At least in Canada we only riot when we lose a hockey match. We have our priorities straight ya see. :P
gadarene, i used to like your posts, never thought you're such a racist. You are one example why i prefer being friends with cleaners than racist social climber profesionals(?)....
Good to see the xenophobes out in force :)
...and the British foreign office is more then quick to issue travel advisories whenever there are riots or crackers going off in other parts of the world but now it seems to be so silent and the americans and other europeans seem to be more quieter then the British themselves.
People should listen to gadarene and alumnar, they know everything about everything.UK is still one of the best countries in the world.
You don't have to be white - but you should be born of British mother and/or father to be British!
a dog born in a stable does not make it a horse my friend
..and calling those guys who are protesing and are taking their anger out on the police, the shops and surroundings immigrants is far from the truth. They are as British as anybody else out there and you certainly dont have to be white to be British
Yes Alumnar I agree but on the larger picture this points back to the governement not the coalition that is in office today back to labour and in 97 when blair/brown introduced emplyees contribution tax on company, the top five brit gas, brit telecom, united util and 2 more i cant think of right now, well they all went to downing street to protest that this additional tax would eat into their profits and brown wouldnt budge so the outsourcing culture commenced aptly in india a rise in construction of building recruiting of call centre staff all this still being cheaper than the tax charge these companies faced lots more business followed suit one by one they left unemployment rose,the point is it has happen and this coalition for all the grief labour left them with are trying to turn things around hence the budget cuts which are far to excessive, if they simply lowered the tax more people could breathe/spend more economy grows but this things dont happen over night nor i guess in the next 5-6 years, it is hard now for all people in the uk and those that can afford to are no longer there, i doubt it will recover to its former glory but it is still and will always be there to help the people who as it is duely noted in here dont want to help them selves sad times
Jason, I love the UK and it hurts not to feel safe to walk around during the day in Middlesbrough, never mind at night! Some things are too late to change but cutting costs like firing thousands of policeforce and taking child allowance away just show how low and sad the situation of the country is. I ask myself how many people manage - and am not surprised about the constant increase in crime. Living in the UK has been made almost impossible for many families.
Jason,qualified & trained in India...
@ Jason,don't get me wrong bud, i'm Indian & a medical professional so i speak for my colleagues,there are MANY nationalities contributing positively in every profession to society in the UK,my point was that while your Govt. makes it hard for non-EU citizens who contribute to society & pay taxes,they bend over backwards to accomodate the "political asylum" seekers who contribute NOTHING except feed off the system by way of benefits & then go out & demand "their way of life" be implemeted in the UK! THAT is how audacious YOUR govt. makes them!...
just out of interest gadarene, your profile says you are a dentist could i ask you where you qualified?
yeah i know,it's like choosing between the devil & the deep sea,sad state of affairs,none taken! I feel weird when i visit the UK & walk around some parts so i can imagine how UK citizens must feel!...it's a real shame if you ask me...
oh and i had just calm down ! and that i will remain, i have voted since being of the legal age, medical proffssional is only one aspect of where you 'fellow indian students choose to gain medical qualifications and i emphasis the word their choice! from the UK bit of your post im unsure as to your point, are you implying indians are the only educated nation that enter in the country as i know a few good polish builders who contribute to the tax system, spanish carpenters again pay there dues and as for people demanding laws from there homeland well this my friend is a story that goes back as long as the story of the world is known, Cathelics, Christians, and as for boycott the elections what will that really achieve?? I thank you for you vote of good luck though yes ur right britain does need it as does a lot of countries that make up this planetand Plur be upon you to
@ Alumnar,my point was that my colleagues contribute to society by way of their profession AND pay their taxes YET the Govt. favours people who feed OFF the system rather than contribute TO it...the UK govt. ought to be taking care of it's own people AND immigrants who CONTRIBUTE to society rather than those that feed OFF IT...
And btw - those politically correct losers are all the same, no matter which party in power. The mistakes have been done and cannot be corrected anymore. The UK has lost its identity because of allowing anybody in to live and claim benefits. Most areas are like walking around Pakistan (no offense meant!!!).
Gadarene, the UK makes it hard for their own people to live there, so what do you expect any different for your fellow colleagues? If the UK took care of their own people first like Qatar does, then nothing like this would happen. It would be the common sentence heard on this Forum and on the streets: 'don't like it, go home!'.
@ JasonPaul,then stop electing these "politically correct" losers into government! you lot elect them so don't complain!...& it's not black & white like that,as a medical professional,i find it truly pathetic that your country,while requiring & utilizing the services of my fellow Indian medical professionals make it so hard for them to work/live in the UK while they bend over backwards to accomodate,feed & clothe immigrants from South Asia & elsewhere who are uneducated & contribute NOTHING to your society instead living off benefits paid for by YOUR taxes & then riot or take out marches demanding "sharia law in Britain"?!?!?!...boycott the elections if that's what it takes...good luck bud,you guys need it!...
This looked unusual to me for a place like London..but listened to the news this morning, so its true.
lol Draccy ;)
Ohhh..suit yourself, UK: "Aleas jacta est!" :(
Been there. Used to work in Edmonton for a while and been to White Hart lane many many times.
The investigation was part of Operation Trident. The guy was in possession of a gun and a dealer - so i have no sympathy for him.
As for the looters, they took advantage of the situation to clean out electronics stores - scum!
Well draccy, they are British now........
LIS, true....but the prperty damage seems rather substantial from what I have sen on pictures.
Deport'em all!The single solution! :)
a storm in a tea cup, nothing else. A couple of hundred youths rioting in a city that consists of millions hardly constitutes panic.
adey, in England not all the ploice needs to be armed.The US is a totally different ballgame.
Draccy, the whole of europe needs to sort things out...mind you, england in particular, at this point. But I really do belive that all this will , at some point, have a major backlash, and that won't be pretty for those who incite things like this ...and other things...
Compare gun crime in the States and the UK. Prefer to have our police not routinely armed thanks
If this was in America the police would be owning those thugs.UK policemen are just to soft, way to soft! England needs to sort it out, big time!!!
Draccy!!!!! You can't say that!!!! Although being evidently true, we ARE (sadly) living in the era of political correctness. ;)
Thanks for the info Adey, good to know!
" a major part of London burning or being burnt" by ...IMMIGRANTS!...Most of these people were foreign nationals...immigrants from third world countries who come from lawless counties ,and come to the UK to behave like thugs..
As I'm I London at the moment I can report it's just a little local difficulty between Police and some elements of the local community - damage caused certainly but no one lost their lives in the riots, unlike most places we have seen recently.
Good old joe, it seems to me that you are quite enjoying seeing all this......I certainly hope I am wrong though...:/
No worries mate, sleep now! ;0)
LIS, My bad just too tired.... :(
How pathetic of a statement is that??
Riots spread in London, questions raised over security of 2012 OlympicsLONDON: The British capital continued to smoulder under a series of 'copycat' riots that engulfed the city for a second day, with looting and arson reported in new areas, just miles from the site of next year's Olympic Games, prompting authorities to arrest as many as 160 people.
Joe, I agree, insofar as the police shoulld be able to stop it in London. But then again, I suppose with all the political correctnss and pay cuts, this is quite a task...
But what appears to be going on in and around London at the moment is a lot worse then the bombings and riots you have in the other faraway countries
No its not....
It's the same which is Happening All over the World....
It was rioting, not bombing.
Good old Joe, you might want to start a separate thread, as this one is about the London riots.
Now the big question is whether London is a safe place to hold the 2012 olympic games. If a few bombs go off in say India or some other third world countries which are many times the size of the UK they start making a lot of noises that the countries are not safe, issuing travel advisories and so on and here we have a major part of London burning or being burnt
Well, we will see what kind of backlash this one will have. Maybe now some people have gone too far?In the end, they are digging their own grave. The sad part is the destruction and pain for those who have nothing to do with it all.Looks like London or England is going to be pretty angry...
London & UK needs a Harry Brown! http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1289406/
britexpat have you ever been to enfield?
Azamat i part agree with you when you quote we let them in, this problem stems far deeper than meets they eye is is prodominently with are countrys part involvement with the EU and there cross migration quota policy but also alot more so in london than any other part of the UK, peolpe who either come from forign grounds to study/vacation then fall under the radar, hence the high rise in violant attacks, burglery, drug dealing gangs etc (as this becomes there only mean of income, from personal experiance i had 15 of my teeth brutally kicked out of my mouth whilst walking home from a bar and would you believe that tongue of these people was certainly not the queens language, i have written with my local and national mps and voice my opinion as that is my british right to do so and i and by far no armchair debater, with the fact of them as you put it being our problem now, we shot an armed gang member who resisted arrest and this is the backlash our country is facing again i agree with you but how can this be implemented for example if it happen here it would be prison or deportation or singapore (we all know of the brit from qatar who is about to get a bigger caning than he had hoped for. but the UK hell you we are known for are politcal correctness, our language is spoken in every corner of the globe, why ? because of our understanding and respect to respect each and every other human being regardless of nationality colour or orientation but it is now high time that a line was drawn and the rules changed because it is way now apparent our atributes are being exploited and abused how this is achieved is far beyond the control of someone like me
Jason - You let them in. They're your problem now ;)Looks like none of your politicians have the backbone to stand up and face the truth about immigration problems. They're busy being politically correct, and spreading soft feminist agenda. LOL!
They are anarchists who have siezed on an opportunity to loot and cause disorder..
I agree that they should be handed stiff punishments and made to pay for the damamge they have caused. However, its not about immigrants or non-whites.
its bloody disgusting that what it is and the majority of the looters/rioters are immigrants fleeing persicution from there own country, i think those caught should be deported, deported and not banged up in prison further burdoning the over stretched UK taxpayers, call me racist i dont care, but you look on all the news footage, you wont see one white man in the background again disgusting and azamat london is no ghetto it a bloody holiday camp for immigrants who are far from being marginalised, tearing up a high street to demand answers from police officer who by english law are not allowed to speak of matters under the ipc is not the way to behave regardless of their plight/protection of a well known criminal, the UK would benefit from a few laws in place in this country. and breathe
That's what happens in the ghetto. Criminal or not, it's just a trigger. People live with pent up frustrations, feelings of being marginalised. One fine day a trigger like this one opens the flood gates. Mobs take over from there.
So if this guy is a criminal, why are people rioting?
The ice age is coming, the sun is zooming in
Engines stop running and the wheat is growing thin
A nuclear error, but I have no fear
London is drowning-and I live by the river
riots ,
crime ,
rape never happens in the West
racism
Tottenham Riots.www.bbc.co.uk