Why I Hate People Who Keep Dogs

Salam

Both people and dogs have to be trained. On the whole , treated and trained properly dogs are very safe.

However, it is naive to say that ALL dogs are safe or that humans are always to blame.

There have been many cases of dogs attacking their owners or children.

BMD is a bit older than GSD, the latter is going nuts seeking more attention and care, but she is very calm though. The BMD is huge, fussy, eats a bigger meal..etc.

If we play with BMD, the GSD doesn't feel right about it and she would seriously act like a spoilt brat, messing it all up so we'd run and talk with her!

But at the end of the day, they settle down, sleep peacefully without pulling any showy stunts.

Salam

One will always be dominant over the other - even if only slightly. It might take a bit of time but they should be ok together as long as you treat them equally. Your GSD is probably upset you've ruined her territory by bringing in another dog. I'm assuming the bullmastiff is younger and more boisterous but as she calms down they'll settle themselves into a dominance order.

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They are both females, but our newly adopted Bullmastiff is flexing her muscles on the poor German Shepherd, they play together but not eat together. One loud bark would send the GS to the corner for a while.

Salam

Any dogs will get along provided they are neutered, introduced correctly and are well trained and socialised.

However, if you just stick 2 male un-neutered, un-socialised dogs in a room together you're looking at a seriously dangerous situation.

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Folks, Bullmastiffs and German Sheperds get along well?

Salam

stevethetyke.....if your dog is a mark of satan then you are the devil him self.... looooooool

n/t

very well said...."Whoever said you can't buy happiness forgot dogs." - Gene Hill...

I'll be looking forward to seeing you when you get back.

And enjoy St. Lucia! I hear it's beautiful!

I didn't drink the kool-aid! -- PM

Well my mind is finally starting to slow down and am starting to relax. Hubby was very supportive of me and my two dogs were all wiggly and happy to see me!

We need to get together when I return...heading to Texas for a couple of weeks to take care of some business and a short vacation to St Lucia to visit a good friend. Always good to see you on here and even better in person!

A good friend helps you up when you fall. A best friends pees their pants laughing and trips you again!

In countries like US where rampant burglary exists... most dogs are meant to help secure the house...

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I hope you are relaxing now and trying to put that horrible fire behind you. God bless you and the others for your selflessness and devotion to God's creatures. Hope to see you soon, dear.

I didn't drink the kool-aid! -- PM

when I wrote the first post I did. I was thinking a LOT worse...

And Alexa is completely correct...some of the most aggressive and dangerous animals are Chimps, monkeys and exotic cats. Those animals should never be kept as pets, whether inside or out.

Now that being said...buh de, buh de, buh de...that's all folks!!

A good friend helps you up when you fall. A best friends pees their pants laughing and trips you again!

these ladies are very upset after what happened and maybe you could just let it pass and not react to it.

If not, that's fine too. I said what I have to say. Have a nice evening.

I didn't drink the kool-aid! -- PM

I would be more than happy to be "like" a dog if many people are like you with your attitude. Dogs are much more forgiving than humans of the wrongs dealt to them.

Thanks PM for reminding everyone that the majority of people are good and kind even when its NOT Ramadan.

A good friend helps you up when you fall. A best friends pees their pants laughing and trips you again!

PM, i started the thread before the tragedy, and i expressed my grief at it. Beleive me if i could was there i would help to rescue those animals. Though i don't love dogs like many people do, i don't hate them either, i merely think that dogs are predators and its not good to keep them in homes and in public places, they pose danger to people.

May be scarlett is a very nice lady, but her reply to me wasn't very polite.

It's just that most muslims are a little more mindful of their behavior during Ramadan; like it or not.

I didn't drink the kool-aid! -- PM

Scarlet is a lovely woman and all of these ladies are upset by the tragedy at QAWS today. Maybe you could have a little compassion and guard your tongue; especially since it is Ramadan... :-(

I didn't drink the kool-aid! -- PM

After the tragedy at QAWS, I think it would be appropriate and advisable not to take this thread any further for the foreseeable future...

mary, you have the right not to be botheredwhile on your daily runs, and we have the right not to be attacked by your dog when you bring it for walks.

Scarlett, don't you frickking tell me where to go, since you got bit by german shepard you have become like one. And if a dog bit my kid, i will bite out the jugulars of the owner.

Chelsea its mighty ignorant and idiotic of you to think that those who did not help save the animals today, don't have compassion and empathy, they may be doing a lot more humanitarian work than you.

and the people who have them. Why don't you move to a country that EATS dogs...I'd guess there aren't many stray or pet dogs there. I'll be happy to take up a collection for your trip...

Growing up in a family that didn't have dogs...I always LOVED dogs...and would play with the neighbors' dogs. I have also been BITTEN by a dog when I was 6...but it was MY OWN FAULT...as I was swinging on the swingset and the dog walked in front of me...and I accidently kicked it. IT was a HUGE German Shepard and after it bit me, it stopped and just looked like it felt awful about what it did. The attack just stopped...My parents weren't upset with the owners or the dog.

If you cared enough to do research on your own besides just cutting and pasting nonsense, you'd see that over here, at least in Qatar, some young men and some women...torment the dogs. I've personally seen them throw rocks at them, stake them out to watch and see how long it took to die from starvation and dehydration, burned them with gasoline, had sex with them and hit them when they try to get away from that...so you are telling me that these dogs don't have a REASON to bite when approached by a human? I'd like to see your reaction if YOU were treated that way.

A good friend helps you up when you fall. A best friends pees their pants laughing and trips you again!

To be honest, after today it's clear you are one of a very few people who are ignorant about dogs.

Seeing the hundreds of people who left work early, stopped their shopping or simply rushed down to the shelter when they heard the news, I am proud to be a dog lover and a part of a community that can rally together in such a short time to save dogs (and cats) in an emergency.

You have your opinion. I can't be bothered to spend time lstening to the utter nonsense coming from you when there are far more important things to do. Like save animals and find them new homes. Yes that's homes, in houses where a lot of them will live with children.

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And you are perfectly correct in stating that Britexpat. There have also been numerous instances of people being unpredictable and turning on their fellow beings (the guy who tried to blow up the Saudi prince this week being a case in point) - what shall we do with them?

My final word on this is that while there are a lot of animal lovers who would look down on this type of "argument" as being instigated by idiots. I don't.

I pity those who have never known the unconditional love and acceptance an animal can bring to you - no matter what you look like, no matter how cranky you are, no matter if your day has been crap. They think you are their world.

As for those few unpredictable dogs who might "turn" on someone. Why don't we kill all the lions, sharks, tigers, poisonous snakes, wife beaters, parents who beat their children? That way we can make sure they don't kill or hurt anyone else.

I'm not going to change Hapy's opinion, Hapy doesn't want to listen to another side - that's Hapy's choice. I know a lot of great dogs with great owners. I've also encountered a lot of misinformed, and willing to stay misinformed people - I can't change them, only avoid them.

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And yet children die every day in connection with all these things. My dog was acquired firstly as protection against the weirdos I encountered on my daily runs or while I was alone enjoying the privacy and sanctity of my own home. They didn't know all she cared about was a ball or chew toy. They only saw a dog (as you do) as a threat.

My dog has provided me with this "pseudo" protection for many years. Unfortunately, she has no protection from ignorant, ill informed, uneducated people who harrass her (and me). Of course, you are not among that group.

BTW if you think it's a pleasure to have to walk a dog 4 times a day, 7 days a week 365 days a year - pick up its poop twice a day, groom it regularly, and put up with ignoramouses who seem to think because they're human that they're better than any other creature God created? I've got a job for you.

If you think it's a pleasure to come home to someone who is ALWAYS happy to see you, doesn't care what your mood is, is always optimistic that there IS a walk in the near future and wants to be with you because they love you without reserve? Then you're missing out.

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Whilst I agree with you, there have been numerous cases of animals behaving "unpredictably" and turning on their owners/keepers.

Two things, stove, cars, teachers, policemen play vital part in taking care of kids and help their nurturing and upbringing. Dogs do not impart any such benefits. Secodnly, many of things like stoves etc, their presence in house and community is choice of ALL, that not the case with a "few" dog owners. YOUR pleasure should not be danger to rest of community.

i hate people who act like dogs.theirs a quite few of them in ql

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Hopefully,

We train children not to go near or touch a hot stove.

We train children not to play in traffic and how to cross the street safely.

We train children not to play roughly or bite other children.

We train children to be respectful to their playmates, teachers, relatives and policemen.

Why can't we train them how to behave with animals?

It's a matter of safety for THEM - if YOU don't train your child how to behave in any of the above situations - who is at fault? It's not the child.

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all are domestic animals as Pets and shall be given proper treatments like a family member; we should also train our kids how to behave with them.

I don't hate either nor I keep them at our homes. I agree with Sodeh's comments.

yeah..stevethetyke..the indian comment,supposedly a funny thought..??care to clarify?..

Chelsae i don't hate dogs, am absolutely fine with keeping polics dogs, drug dogs or dogs for blind people etc. But i don't think people should keep dogs as pets, in homes which have children. Nor should dogs be allowed at public places.

and potheads are not the same. Just because society says smoking some trees is criminal, and getting loaded on all kinds of government approved uppers, downers, and other addictive junk is kosher, doesn't make it a fact now does it?

Your argument doesn't make sense. Personally I think that out of the list I gave, there are other far more dangerous things then dogs that should be tackled first.

My argument is that children should be educated on animals and how to be around them - not just ban everyone from keeping pets. I personally think my argument is VERY strong but then I'm biased. Maybe you think all children should be taught that dogs are dangerous and should be kept away from at all costs. That's your opinion. We all have ours.

It's a shame that you are very one sided in your facts and figures. Could you please find the statistics of how many dogs are owned in the US and what ACTUAL percentage attack people UNPROVOKED. I think it will be very small indeed.

Could you also please find the figures for police dogs, drug dogs, bomb dogs, hearing dogs, guide dogs, assistance dogs (for epilepsy etc), rehabilitation dgs, PAT dogs, search and rescue dogs. Could you also quote the figures for the number of dogs who protect their owners against burglars, attackers, rapists etc. Also quote the facts and figures regarding dog owners living healthier, longer lives then non-dog owners....

Once there's 2 sides to the figures you can argue whether you still think dogs are a danger to society or a huge assistance.

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Agree 100%

I've raised dogs in my house for more than 10 years hapy, I'm not waiting for your advice or anyone else's

as to what's good & bad for me thank you...

xena , there are lots of of unprovoked dog attacks

Chelsea i do hope you look into strength of your argument. Its like A and B are both damaging people, because we cannot stop A, hence we should not do anything to stop B too. Or like a person who says, he stole once, he should not be punished till those who stole more than once are punished too.

sodeh make sure your dog never hurts a child, bcoz if it does, that won't be good for you.

hapy said Its also a pleasure to drive ...

Its also a pleasure to drive at high speed and a thrill to overtake every car on the road, but,its outlawed, bcoz it kills people.

And as for keeping a car vs a dog, vehicles do a lot of good fro kids too, that cannot be said of dogs.

Before you say I am stupid for mentioning war, please read what YOU said. You say that vehicles do a lot for kids too, well my point is that so do dogs.

I do not think it is fair to use stupid as a way of responding to another persons point.

The only pighead in this argument is you.

Keep in mind that most of us replying have had dogs in our houses for many years and we know what we're talking about. Before people start training their dogs they should start by teaching & raising their kids first, I have seen many kids mistreat dogs & I don't blame them.

In the end, it is the personal freedom of the individual if they want to have a dog in/out the house. But there is always responsiblity attached to it.

There are many types of dogs that are good with children, ppl should research it and find out what to get best if they have kids around. I wouldn't want to get a police dog or a bull dog & raise it indoors :)

cheers!

"I am amazed at pigheadedness of some people for insisting on a habit that damages thousands and thousands of children's lives"

I'm assuming you extend this hatred to all:

- smokers

- pregnant women who drink

- drug users

- people who own guns

- drink drivers

- drivers who speed

- drivers who cut cut up other cars

- parents who let their kids crawl all over the cars without seatbelts on

- etc

I'm also assuming you have NEVER driven your car one kilometer over the speed limit or taken your child within 10 feet of a smoker.

Don't you think you're over-reacting just a little bit? Parents who don't introduce their children to different animals and teach them how to behave around them are putting them at risk. It's highly unlikely that anybody will go through life without encountering a dog and how will the child react then? Probably run squealing which will excite the dog and think they're playing and that's when accidents happen.

We take dogs into schools on a regular basis to make sure that children learn about dogs and how to inteact with them safely. The younger the children the better as they haven't had years of people telling them how horrible dogs are and how scary they are. The kids are always timid at first but by the end of a session they're stroking the dogs and playing with them.

The only danger is to the dogs - we had one over-excited 5 year old child that bit the dog!!

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been informed, numerous times, as to why dogs will bite and give help and assistance on how to prevent something ilke that happening, you remain pigheaded and insist on how dangerous dogs are....

"if you don't like the heat... get out of the kitchen... but stop trying to fan the flames before you leave... it will burn you on the a** as you go through the doorway...." ME

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What a stupid argument of bringing war into this. If there is war, it doesn't mean we shouldn't work to reduce other preventable injuries and deaths. I am fine with keeping dogs where it serves some purpose like in fields and farms but not in houses.

Donosa, my children have never come across a dog, but many cats and they know not to bother animals. As i said YOUR dog most likely will bite YOUR kids than anyone elses, nearly 2/3rd of injuries to kids are by the family dog or those of family friends. And that day you can go lick your dog for doing that. I am amazed at pigheadedness of some people for insisting on a habit that damages thousands and thousands of children's lives.

that's true!

There are dog lovers and then there are those who don't like them..

To each his own..

It's the owners who are to blame - not the dogs! I have lived in America for 1 year & I know how violent dogs can be there. But back in the UK, the majority of dogs I have been around are friendly. I blame the owners for not training the dogs properly.

The fact of the matter is, humans have caused more harm and damage to each other that anything on this earth to compare them to dogs my friend.

Lets just say your statistics are 100% correct, since you have so much time on your hand, can you give us more statistics on how many people died of human caused acts, such as conflict of interest, wars, guns, drugs, rape, pollution, etc...

The worst being on this planet is a human being, don't tell me otherwise... A dog is a mans best friend, there is a reason for that. I guess people can learn from them rather than hate them or hate people who have dogs...

Btw, a dog bites to defend itself, they will never harm you if you treat them well. I have a dog & both of us hate you too :P

Myself and my partner got 2 rescue dogs here in Qatar from QAWS. It is true we love them like our children and will do anything for them :)

Alexa what abt turtles? They're small and cute n only bite once in a while;)

"Ali Baba and 40 thieves" are now "Ali Baba and 30 thieves" ; 10 were laid off.

stevethetyke I think you have something agianst Indians. FYI all Indians are not like what you said and thankfully all westerners are not like you.

"Ali Baba and 40 thieves" are now "Ali Baba and 30 thieves" ; 10 were laid off.

No hapy, it is not about teaching millions of kids how to behave with a dog... is to teach YOUR children how to RESPECT animals, and nature in general. You do not approach stranger animals just like that (hamsters, rabbits, cats, birds).. they fear us and run away from us if we just run to them.

Dogs are fantastic, and people who own them and are responsible have a very sweet character, dogs love to play with kids and kids love to play with dogs, but dogs also have a limit in their tolerance, same way as your child would get slapped by a playmate if he's bothering him....

there wasn't much use for dogs in these parts, ever...

No grazing lands, no cattle...go to a muslim country like Turkey or Bosnia, I assure you they love and are very much proud of their Kangals and Tornjaks...

There is obviously a pre-conceived notion about dogs in this region because of the religious stigma attached to it,while a lot of people may not openly admit it,they will find other ways,(like stats or whatever else) to demonize dogs...so this discussion is biased from the start...as such,we're all aware of the abysmal levels of awareness in this region about animals in general & how to interact with/respect them as living beings just like us humans,unless of course,they're multi-million riyal arabian stallions or falcons,which again are bred & cared for primarily to boost the owner's ego/social standing...'pleb' animals like dogs,cows & chickens don't exactly enjoy 'favoured status', if i may...

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By far the most common type of injury accident involving children are those that also involve motor vehicle collisions. According to the National Center for Statistics and Analysis (NCSA), nearly 250,000 children are injured every year in car accidents.

This means that on any given day nearly 700 children are harmed due to accidents on our roadways. Of the 250,000 kids injured each year, approximately 2,000 die from their injuries. Children make up about 5% of total fatalities due to car accidents. In fact, for children between the ages of 2 and 14, motorvehicle accidents are the leading cause of death.

Car accidents are also the leading cause of acquired disability (e.g., brain injury, paralysis, etc.) for children nationwide.

The failure to wear a seat belt or use a child safety seat is a contributing factor in more than half of the cases involving children who die in car accidents. Not only is an unrestrained child a potential distraction to the driver of the vehicle, but also the failure to wear a seat belt dramatically increases the chance that a child will suffer much more serious injury and death.

http://www.articlesbase.com/law-articles/children-car-accidents-the-alarming-statistics-695796.html

Hmmm 2000 children killed annually because of the stupidity and ignorance of those who are supposed to care most for them. What do you think the stats are here (as opposed to the US which are cited in the above article) where so many parents/guardians allow their children to travel without the proper safety restraints.

Dogs are the least of these children's problems.

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there's something about vicious women, as long as you're not on the receiving end :D

but would never keep one inside the house. It's a FIELD ANIMAL in my opinion, and it should serve a purpose, usually with cattle or protection of property. I hate cats but I have one in the hallway that I feed from time to time, they prove really useful with PEST CONTROL, as they're pretty ruthless against larger insects and mice and rats. I also really like parrots and other birds but would only keep them on the balcony. The only pets I believe should be kept in a home are fish and reptiles.

meaning you can tell me more about that... but I kept mine as an answer just so people can figure out for themselves which would be the lesser evil - a cheetah/lion or a dog.

"if you don't like the heat... get out of the kitchen... but stop trying to fan the flames before you leave... it will burn you on the a** as you go through the doorway...." ME

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never change peoples minds when they have made them up..

but thats ok... the number of children I have down at the shelter, who when they first come into contact with the dogs, cry and are terrified and after their 3 or 4th visit end up asking for their favourite dog to take for a walk, show me that we will get there with changing perceptions, even if its one person at a time:-)

Alexa, there is a huge problem with importing of wild animals into Qatar - I kid you not, lions and cheetahs seem to be a favourite... people seem to think they can keep a lion or cheetah as a domesticated pet, but somehow, have this issue with dogs... Now imagine having a fully grown cheetah lying in your front garden with your children running around? Accident waiting for a place to happen, maybe?

But no, dogs are dangerous... oi....

"if you don't like the heat... get out of the kitchen... but stop trying to fan the flames before you leave... it will burn you on the a** as you go through the doorway...." ME

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who doesn't

like a bit of pussy myself!

because you like cats

simple

The priorities is man over an animal. There shouldn't be too much defence for dogs when comes to behaviour, comparably between your own children and the dogs you have. And to say that, please blame your son, not my dog for an injury is like trading in human life for a useless dogs life.

i hate people who keep cheetahs as pets..what say hapy?..

dogs are fun,loving and loyal..u have to invest ur time in them,if u dont have the time to train,dont keep one...thats all..certain breeds of dogs are ferocious and the owner shold be responsible n experienced to keep these breeds..

i grew up with dogs in my family. we currently have five dogs at home and i miss them terribly. unlike the humans in my family, i can't phone or email them :)

of course, they don't behave the way you always want them to but all their imperfections are compensated by the unconditional love they give you if you treat them right. SOMETIMES, they are even more lovable than some humans you know. some people just don't deserve to have pets.

you have to accept that they are animals after all no matter how domesticated they become. they might eventually learn to toilet train themselves (we don't impose strict training when it comes to these things), try to stop your kids from fighting (had a dog who always tried to stop me and my brother from hurting each other when we were little) but there's still the animal instinct in them somewhere that could be triggered by some unforeseen event. which is why every parent should at least have enough common sense to not leave children around dogs.

in my experience, dogs will tend to exhibit more of those wild animal tendencies if their owners behave like animals to them. whereas they will behave better, love and protect their owners if they are given all the love and care they could possibly get.

the benefit of caring for pets is that it teaches compassion. people will know how to care for other humans if they know how to care for animals too. the same person who told me that said that caring for plants teaches patience. i don't like caring for plants and i'm not a very patient person :)

That is why I carried a shotgun full of salt rounds for those strays.

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qatar is safer place above all. dont worry. except cats i had not seen any pets here. thank god....???

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Completely agree with you. My son may climb all over them and pull their tails but he doesn't get left on his own with them. I don't believe any of my dogs would intentionally hurt him but he might get in the middle of a particularly boisterous playtime and get hurt by accident.

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lol

I didn't drink the kool-aid! -- PM

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha - what a stupid generalisation....

Xena, I guess you and I are the most hated people here as not only do we own dogs, we rescue them, make them nice and fit and healthy, encourage more people to keep them as pets, send them all over the world, take dogs into schools for the kids to learn about them, let children come to the shelter and play with them and generally encourage kids to interact with dogs rather then chase them away....

As someone who has been bitten by dogs more times then I can count - I would rather be bitten by a dog then bitten by a cat (one cat tooth into my thumb left me unable to use my hand for 3 days) or bitten by a horse (chunk of skin taken out and a bruise the size of a beach ball!!)....

Kids have to be taught how to be around animals (and all animals can be dangerous - ever been bitten by a rabbit? painful to say the least!!) the same way they have to be taught how to be around cars and fire and strangers.

Excuse me - my 10 month old baby is currently using one of my 9 dogs as a climbing frame and he's just decided to try his new teeth out on the dogs ear. However I'm not worried as my dogs have been taught how to be around children and they know not to snap and just to walk away.

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The thieves in the US must be like KingKong.

But I'm suer glad no one has stolen my flat here in Doha! lol

I didn't drink the kool-aid! -- PM

PM, is there rampant House theft in your country?

People stealing Houses,LOL!

When they steal the House, do they take the residents too or they trash the residents on the way?

But I guess it COULD happen :-)

I didn't drink the kool-aid! -- PM

PM, can tell you never lived in a trailer park ! LOL!

God ! please forgive him...he dont know what he is saying

I have never heard of anyone having their house stolen? How would someone move an entire house and where would they take it? :-P

I didn't drink the kool-aid! -- PM

No, generally there isn't enough room for some hives, but go to a village or town and you'll find them. Please tell me from your stats how many "apartment dogs" kill people

I think they have specially made farms for bees. Haven't heard of beekeeping in buildings, and compounds.

its called "responsible ownership"!!!

Never leave kids unsupervised around a dog, no matter how friendly they might b towards each other!!!

i am owned by my 3 dogs; and their mood swings never cease to surprise me regularly!!!

Yes they do hapy. You've never heard of beekeepers and bee hives? Bee's are some of the oldest domesticated animals.

fubar, its not about finding the biggest killer, but preventable deaths and injuries. I am not fond of keeping cats either, but, i habe not heard or read that cat attacks are nearly as deadly as dog attacks, if they are i am all for keeping them away. No one brings bees and wasps into human colonies.

As a little kid, I had a dog. I used to drive the dog mad and did all kinds of crazy things with it! I used to pull its ears and pull its tail and sometimes I used to tickle its ears with an earbud and do all kinds of crazy things. But it never bit me. But one day I put the dog in a room and put a high barrier on the door(a carrom board) and then I began lure him from the other side of the room with a rubber bone(his favorite plaything). It became very excited and was missing the action. But it still didn't jump. When I went inside the room the dog grabbed climbed me and grabbed my hand with its teeth.I pulled my hand out with a jerk and there was a minor cut in my hand, but I still feel it did not bite me intentionally. I used to agitate him so much and played all kinds of mischief on it. He was kindof afraid of me and didn't like the games I played with it, but still it used to be so happy when I came back from school and always welcomed me home by climbing on my shoulder. And the strange thing is he always wanted me to play with him but the poor thing could not bear the torture for long and usually ran away and hid beneath the bed when I became very unreasonable!

You forgot shark attacks Fubar. We shouldn't go in the ocean either.

Hapy, humans and nature will never co-exist perfectly.

Since you're throwing the stats around, keep in mind that each year twice as many people are killed by bees and wasps than dogs.

And double that number die from food allergies, mostly peanuts.

I think you'll even find that bathroom scalds kills three times as many people annually than do dogs.

In the grand scheme of things, dogs aren't that deadly.

I'll dig up all the stats if you really need them.

Siamese. Really nasty when they want to be.

Any specific cat breed?, I've been around many, but not yet with a Persian!

Salam

I don't think theres a difference between cat and dog bites, I just think people report cat bites and scratches less.

We don't let them out, they have their own space and we use cat litter.

Note: I always get away with picking up their waste, I've never done it, and HOPEFULLY would never have to, yuck!

Salam

No, but I do let them out, and they do come in contact with strangers.

Do you guys take cats for walks? My cats never liked it, even in the car they would act nuts and nervous.

Salam

whatabout cats?

What about cat bites and scratches?

While we're at it, I gotta confess something here, just as much as I hate terms like "tea boy"...etc, I so very dislike I "own" a pet. We don't own souls, we're blessed to have them as family or for company at least.

Just a thought.

Salam

So millions of kids need to be trained on dog behavior because few dog owners cannot give up their good for nothing habit.

Marycatherine, i don't need to tell you what in how many different ways cars are essential for kids, dogs are Not.

Look at the dog bite stats, 60% of attacks happen on children, and 60% by family dog, marycatherine, your dog is most likely to bite Your children than any one else.

In the United States, someone seeks medical attention for a dog bite every 40 seconds

For about every dog bite that is reported, there are an estimated three dog bites that go unreported

In the United States, nearly 5 Million dog bites occur annually

Nearly 1 Million of those people require medical care

About 3,000 days are missed each year from work as a result of dog bites

Children aged 5-9 years of age are the ones most likely to suffer dog attacks

There are approximately 200,000 dog bites to children under the age of 14

Boys are generally bitten by dogs slightly more than girls

About 20,000 work-related dog bite injuries occur annually

Over 300,000 dog bite victims required emergency medical assistance annually

Over 2% of the United States population will suffer injuries after a Dog Bites them. This means that over 4.7 million people will be bitten by a Dog this year alone.

At least half of all Dog Bite victims have been reported to be children

60% of all Dog Attacks occur within the home and by a family or friend’s Dog

In 2007 alone there were 33 fatalities caused by Dog Bites in America

Nearly 3,000 letter carriers are attacked by Dogs each year

All this because of dogheadedness of a few.

dog unsupervised -- ESPECIALLY if the children were not used to being around animals. And btw, I believe that parks for families here should not be invaded by unattended or poorly behaved dogs. People should carry the necessary implements to pick up after their dogs and dogs should be on leashes in parks (unless you live somewhere where there is a "dog park".

I didn't drink the kool-aid! -- PM

My dog was never unattended. However you can't watch kids every minute. The child had been warned multiple times. At some point kids need to listen.

As difficult as it may sound, we should try as much as possible not to leave our dogs unattended, where there are many kids, even when we take them for long walks or to parks. (sounds silly, but that's what family does).

Salam

I understand that Happy Happy. But when I look at what happened with my dog. It was 18 years old and wasn't doing anything but lying on the grass and no matter how many times we told this little girl to stay away she kept going up and pulling on her ears. And she was 6. When the dog snapped whose fault was it?

I understand that Happy Happy. But when I look at what happened with my dog. It was 18 years old and wasn't doing anything but lying on the grass and no matter how many times we told this little girl to stay away she kept going up and pulling on her ears. And she was 6. When the dog snapped whose fault was it?

I grew up around all sorts of pets from dogs, to cats, birds, rabbits, chicks, fish (aquarium). My family has 2 German Shepards. The youngest is a 2-year old.

I'm still frightened and unable to cope with other people's pets easily, I need time to get used to them and I'm a grown up.

Salam

It just happens before your know it, specially if the dog ran their way.

Salam

Happy Happy, do you think it's ridiculous though to say to your 4 year old "don't touch the doggy"?

'Now , I can understand parents doing that if one happens to be in the jungle, facing a tiger or a snake....but with a kitten or a puppy....hmmm, bit odd this...'

the irony is that we are fighting a losing battle with lions, tigers and especially cheetahs being brought into the country, to be kept as pets... and they are worried about dogs biting them... go figure;-)

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I remember bringing my first cat into meet my students in Korea, she was less than a month old and I was spoon feeding her milk to keep her alive, she was the size of the palm of my hand and the kids ran away screaming "KOYYYANNIII" (cat) because they think cats are the most evil creatures alive.

I do agree with your post, I see many irresponsible dog owners who are absolutely careless. And I'm not supposed to give a 4-year old a training class in how treat dogs or pets, in general, not all kid grow up around pets.

Salam

LOL, just had a funny thought, bet all the Indians are reading this post and thinking what are these idiots on about. definitely a western topic. Gypsy, got to agree with your line on this. I had a big black Labrador,sweet natured and soft as a brush, but to to locals where I lived a black dog was the mark of Satan, so I had no problems with intruders.

My dog was looked after properly, trained reasonably well and was daft as a brush but would never do anything aggressive to anyone cos she was raised correctly.

DOGS ARE MORE LOYAL THAN MOST PEOPLE!!!!! TRUE FACT!!!!

I think kids do need to be told how to treat dogs. I had a dog growing up that was the sweetest dog you've ever met. It attacked people twice in it's entire life, once when the plumber came in and my mother was in the shower and the second when she was 18 years old and a couple of kids were bugging her, even though we'd told them many times that she was old and mostly blind. Kids can be stupid.

'but i don’t quite agree that a child should be trained how to behave around a dog... the way a child behaves is a natural way. Child tries to play with the dog as if he/she would play with other child. And pretty often a dog attacks a child or even an adult, without any reason whatsoever, just because dog didn’t like the smell, or something else...'

Its exactly the same with a dog.... it behaves in its natural way... in a pack, if another pack sibling would hurt the dog, it would defend its self... the same of a 'pack sibling' being human... it the child hurts the dog, its going to react, because its instinct... A dog will not attack unprovoked - unless its in pain or fearful and placed in a defensive position...

Agree with your posts MC...

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I love dogs and have grown up around them, we always had a pet dog and more importantly my uncles always had hunting dogs. There is a difference and I learned that very young. While I agree that children should be taught how to treat animals at a young age I also think that certain breeds of dogs should be restricted to experienced and responsible owners.

children do not naturally know how to interact with dogs (or any other animal). IMHO all children under the age of 12 should not be left alone with a dog. They (the children) are too immature to understand that a dog has only a few lines of communication - it is up to us as parents to teach them how to interact with other species - otherwise, WE have failed (not the child or the animal).

Animals do not attack anyone "without reason" - they attack because they feel threatened (without any other avenue of escape - just as we humans do), because they are hungry, or because they are desperate - also similar to ourselves. If someone seems to be attacking you, would you not defend yourself? Unfortunately, dogs and other animals do not have words, we do - and supposedly we have the ability to think and reason (but that is doubtful in many situations I can think of in human interactions).

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Any person who has broughtup with pets like Dogs,Cats will definitely love to have when they growup,i have seen many people who are not brought up with pets will have their imaginations and hate.

Dogs if trained properly they will take care of you as well,if they are not trained properly it will be a mess.

Only here, we are not able to have pets.

Well, i personally hate neither dogs nor their owners...Let them all exist in peace...

...but i don’t quite agree that a child should be trained how to behave around a dog... the way a child behaves is a natural way. Child tries to play with the dog as if he/she would play with other child. And pretty often a dog attacks a child or even an adult, without any reason whatsoever, just because dog didn’t like the smell, or something else... The best solution for it is not to allow a dog out of house without a muzzle, as it has been implemented in many countries. And I think, yes the dog’s owner should be responsible for the god’s actions. As a car's owner is responsible for the car's safty condition and for the driving.

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"What lies behind us and what lies before us are small compared to what lies within us."

Oliver Wendell Holmes

keep your untrained child away from my well socialized and trained dog.

How would you like it if a stranger came up to you on the street and pried open your jaws or grabbed you by the scruff of the neck (this has happened not once but on many occasions to my dog while she is on a leash with me).

I keep my dog away from people who do not know her, or who I do not know - unfortunately, there are many people here in the GCC who "think" that they have the "right" to do what they want when they want with MY dog.

A dog has only three lines of communication - body language, vocal or physical - none of which many people living in the GCC understand or care to understand because they "know" how to behave around animals.

If you're too stupid (you, being the "intelligent" party) to understand any of these three lines of communication - then who is the victim? the idiot who behaves stupidly (the human) or the dog, who is only acting in self defence 99.9999% of the time?

I know that I will be jumped on for this but I leave you with this picture - how many of you (or your children) "bark" at dogs you see? My dog already knows how to do that (teach her how to moo or cluck like a chicken) - obviously you or your child is unsocialized and ignorant (not stupid) in how dogs react and behave.

You have the opportunity to read, study, research and ask questions - my dog does not. Who is the ignorant part of this equation?

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Dog socialized? For a particular group? But not globally...

Before you go any further with the idea that dogs don't do anything for children, please remember that, without sniffer dogs, many more children would have been killed by hidden bombs and landmines. When a child is kidnapped, the FIRST thing they do is get a scent dog to give the police an idea of which way they went. When violent offenders escape from prison, scent dogs are used to find them. Some children have such horrible childhoods with alcoholic or drug addicted parents that the family dog is the only love and care they receive and as a result are far less damaged by the abuse.

It has been proved that taking dogs into wards to visit terminally ill children in the UK has a significant effect on their pain levels.

I could go on but I have to walk my dogs...

Especially in this country where so many parents do not restrain their children in car seats or seat belts? You're comparing apples with oranges. Bad parenting is not the same as good dog ownership. Educate yourself on both issues - better yet, do a search on YouTube on how an unrestrained child in a moving vehicle can come to harm or harm someone else. It happens everyday in every country around the world (even in my own where there are still some uneducated parents on basic car safety issues)

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do u hv any spare puppy Xena? i wann test my skils

parenting skills on a dog first... if you mess up, then don't have children - as they will be messed up for the next 80years or so... a dog's life span is way shorter;-)

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absolutely true,,,,

I was once a schoolteacher, and I could tell you what the parents were like before I met them, just from knowing the children.

Apples do not fall far from the tree.

Its also a pleasure to drive at high speed and a thrill to overtake every car on the road, but,its outlawed, bcoz it kills people.

And as for keeping a car vs a dog, vehicles do a lot of good fro kids too, that cannot be said of dogs.

Dogs are predators by nature, instinct is something that never completely disappears.

an announcement: whoever wanna keep a dog shud first parade b4 mmyke or Xena's exhusband. if day approve den u hv it othervize u r better off wid children

"Why I hate people that are ignorant about dogs"

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used to say... he would be called to train a dog and would just sit and watch the family - without even seeing the dog, he would be able to tell exactly what the dog's behaviour issues were - on telling the family, they would ask to know how he knew all this - he would reply "cause your kids are doing the exact same thing", lol:-0

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is an absolute pleasure to be around. They have grown up with mankind. However, dogs take on the character of their owners, just like children, and that is where most problems originate.

reason for a dog just to bite - a dog that bites has most likely beenprovoked, so as PM has said, if you are a responsible pet owner - have done your homework and called in a dog trainer that can assist you with learning about your dog - then you should be able to deal with your dog and teach your family the correct way to behave around the animals.

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PM u r rite..... people who hv childrens shud train them and supervise them

ever ask yourself why?

because children generally don't know how to behave around dogs - most children think its perfectly ok to poke and prod a dog, or even run around near a dog that will most likely 'attack' due to the child being 'moving prey' - ie, running around, screaming and shouting - this instinctively puts a dog into prey drive mode which causes the dog to bite and the child to scream even more - and the dog to bite even more - 'a vicious circle' - excuse the pun.

While its most people's instinct to want to run and scream - this reaction makes everything worse.

In my line of work, and having been on the end of a few dogs bites, I know that its best to stand still when you are not familiar with an animal - allow it to sniff - no sudden movements from you should result in the dog moving away from you and you will be able to back away slowly...

btw, dogs sense your fear - again - another reason to bite - so try not to make eye contact nor to "pee in your pants"...

"if you don't like the heat... get out of the kitchen... but stop trying to fan the flames before you leave... it will burn you on the a** as you go through the doorway...." ME

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dont hv dogs

train them and supervise them.

I didn't drink the kool-aid! -- PM

But dog is an immediate threat. Someone says two heads is better than one. Why keep one if you can live without it. The owners should be liable for any attacks by these dogs and as a deterrent, a jail punishment equivalent to damage done due to dog bite. If death caused is cruel, shall we apply an eye for an eye.

And how many gun shot victims are there every day in the US ?

I understand it's horrific if something like that happens, god forbid a child is bitten by a dog, or someone has a fatal attack... Very sad indeed. But it's a bit harsh to say you hate everyone who has a dog.. It's like saying I hate everyone who has a car. Everyday I see people driving recklessly here, with their kids running around in the car.. and not a care for other people on the roads.