The Women are Angry!

From my experience a woman is called angry every time she has an opinion. In that case I'm proud to call myself a bitch.

Come to think of it, I don't think women are angrier now than before. But men are now forced to take note of it. :)

Was reading an article in The Daily Telegraph the other day, written by Judith Woods –It was called ‘Every child should have 15 a day – minutes of your time, that is’.

One of the points she made was this and I quote; ‘A new report recently reiterated that women are largely absent from Britain’s boardrooms because they don’t want to be there, not because men are stopping them’.

www.telegraph.co.uk/.../Every-child-should-have-15-a-day-minutes-of-your- time-that-is.html

Interesting article for both men and women to read :-)

It's ok I am over that, after all they were only monthly do's lol x

Britexpat - thank you for that. I do know you were joking. I do find your sense of humour one of the best here. They always put a smile on my face. :-)

As to the topic on hand I have had my say. I think it is time to bow out gracefully now. The men around here seem to know so much about the women. Maybe thay are exposed to such wallflower type women. And have yet to meet a woman who is not the stereotype they have known all their lives.

I was joking ...

Some of the best debates are with women..

Don't let the buggers get to you.. Let's get back to topic :O)

Britexpat - If a woman has a debate on this site then she most certainly isnt who she claims to be. She has to be someone else. She is not allowed to have a mind of her own. It has to be borrowed.

Oh I must also add, maybe we have our periods too? PMT after all.

So much anger...

Why do women get angry so quickly. ?

Cabbage found her hubby's diary and was really angry. She shouted "Who the hell are April, May and June?"

Rishimba - i am sorry but that again is another misconception you have about me. I dont have another ID here. And i dont need another one. I am perfectly happy with this one.

neytiri, why did you have to change your ID to talk to me..:) you could just have carried on with the usual one.

anyways..

Rishimba - I was waiting for your comment and now it seems you are taking all my commets to you rather personally. And a smiley does not change the effect of your statement nor does it change its meaning whomever it is directed to.

I dont remember replying back to any other MALE here so who are the "we' you refer to? And I had to state my social status because as you rightly said your comment was directed to me and it mentioned married women and therefore my clarification to that.

As to whatever misconception or otherwise i hvae about married women it goes the same for you too about you so called misconceptions about PMT beng the cause and effect of a womans mood swings.

you have no idea about the courage of some women Rishimba and now i conclude my comments her with a smiley to you. :-)

this was just a debate for me as i rarely find anything here to keep my mind going. I find it in poor taste to reply to nationality bashing and religious intolerance which i largely see on this site.

I had two very thought provoking discussions with you on this site and I have to say thank you for that. Very insightful. And once gain a smiley to end this debate with you.

We both have our own views on this subject and we shall agree to disagree on it. And my spologies if you have found my comments to be abrasive. I believe I have been a little too harsh here.

neytiri, take my previous comment with a smiley at the end...:) it was actually directed only to you.

btw, we never asked you about your social status. if you want to declare here that you are single, then it seems you have a misconception about working women being treated as doormats by their husbands. nowadays, working women are generally treated fairly by their hubby's. doormat wives don't have the courage to show their anger on their husbands..if its the case at all.

i had just given some possible reasons as to why women get angry on men. it was a general statement and i was not expecting any abrasive response on such a reflective statement..

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Put your cowgirl outfit on. x

Tequilaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa - shall I wear my Mexican outfit then and bring my maracas’ to shake? :-)

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Tinkerbell with PMT asks her husband.

"Do you want dinner?"

"What we got?" He replies

"One of 2 options..." She Says

"What are they?" He Asks

"Yes Or No!"

Lol...

Deal! See you there lol

Cabbage you get the Voddy... Tinker will get the Gin... and I will get the pole...lol

Weheyyyyyyyyyyyyyy, bring it on girl. Feeling super fit today as I have just been to the gym (polishes halo) ;-)

See you at the pole x

Cabbage - one cannot reason with emotion is my opinion. Reason being when one is emotional one thinks with their heart and not with their head. And in a corporate environment one needs to think with their head.

Though i do agree that its better to be called emotional than whatever youhave stated. :-)

Rishimba - one more sweeping statement. This is called debating. Thats the reason people post topics here. And I certainly dont have that issue since I am single. As to the innocence of the husbands we shall leave that to be decided by the wives in question and not by a stranger.

Alpha females are extinct :-P

QLer girls are an angry lot...please dont pour out your pent-up anger against your husbands here....we are innocent.

Joke for you:

QUESTION: How many women with PMT does it take to change a light bulb?

ANSWER: One! ONLY ONE!!!! And do you know WHY? Because no one else in this house knows HOW to change a light bulb! They don't even know that the bulb is BURNED OUT!! They would sit in the dark for THREE DAYS before they figured it out.

And, once they figured it out, they wouldn't be able to find the #&%!* light bulbs despite the fact that they've been in the SAME CABINET for the past 17 YEARS! But if they did, by some miracle of God, actually find them, 2 DAYS LATER, the chair they dragged to stand on to change the STUPID light bulb would STILL BE IN THE SAME SPOT!!!!!

AND UNDERNEATH IT WOULD BE THE WRAPPER THE FREAKING LIGHT BULBS CAME IN!!! BECAUSE NO ONE EVER CARRIES OUT THE GARBAGE!!!! IT'S A WONDER WE HAVEN'T ALL SUFFOCATED FROM THE PILES OF GARBAGE THAT ARE A FOOT DEEP THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE HOUSE!! IT WOULD TAKE AN ARMY TO CLEAN THIS PLACE! AND DON'T EVEN GET ME STARTED ON WHO CHANGES THE TOILET PAPER ROLL !!

I'm sorry. What was the question?

I would rather be seen as emotional - than a cold, bullying, aggresive *astard.

You can sometimes reason with emotion.

Use it to your advantage. Go out and shout at people and blame everyone for pissing you off..

I am having my periods now. My mood is very bad..I will shout at anybody I find.

Ice Maiden - A Lady who is an expert in her field? Can that really be possible? Is she speaking sense? Does she know what she is doing?

THATS what the Men around here think. You can be in your field for ages and yet be questioned. Cause you are a lady.

I just hate these double standards.

Tell me about it, Neytiri.

Been in my field for ages and even now I can see the "doubtful" looks in their eyes, the silent unasked question..."Can this petite woman handle the responsibilty". Thankfully back home I don't face this problem too much :)

Ice Maiden - Many men have trouble accepting orders from women. They think it is beneath them to take orders from a woman. And they just cannot digest the fact that a woman can be classy, and have brains to boot.

Rishimba - thats just an excuse to get away with yelling at the BOSS who might be a bad person (sorry i hate using profanity) :-)

PMT is a term that came in to being just lately. Did our grandmothers complain of PMT? I dount because women in those days had no respite from housework etc. And they most definetly did not have the freedom to raise their voices in front of their husbands.

True Neytiri.

@ Cabbage, I wasn't bad tempered, nor was I shouting. I was extremely polite, but very firm in putting my opinion forward. Guess, they don't expect that from women especially in this part of the world...huh

I don't know...some men have this strange attitude that it is impossible to have a rational/factual discussion with a woman because we always end up crying. UUUgghhh.

lol neytiri...well maybe.

btw, i had a filippina colleague in dubai and we all in the office would come to know of her periods because of her moods. she would fight with even her boss. one day the GM called her to his cabin and reprimanded her for her behaviour. finally, the HR executive sorted out the problem as she was also a lady and thus could understand the real issues after having a discussion with her..

maybe, its an extreme case..

Cabbage - But they most certainly wont tell him Dont Get EMOTIONAL. Right?

Thakur - I dont know if you have heard of this adage

Dont get angry, get even. Works for me all the time. :-)

No; there may have been whispers of him being a bullying, bad tempered *astard though :-/

Ice Maiden - trust me, if it was a MAN in that position noone would have used the word EMOTIONAL. And it is here where we women try to gain an equal foothold as men. In a place where both are doing similar work treat them EQUALLY.

I work in a male dominated environment. Had to raise my voice at a meeting today, as things were slacking terribly....and I was told "Don't get emotional, Don't take it personal".........Now.... I wonder would they have said the same if it was a man in my place.

Yeah but they renamed it; Mad Cow Disease had been taken lol (joking ladies)

Thakur - Dont you ever give up?

Rishimba - Maybe the lady or ladies you know who claim to being angry because of their periods are doing it just so that they can wrap you around their little finger and lead you on a merry dance. :-)

Did women have periods before PMT became a cause celebre ?

Cabbage - exactly what i was trying to point out. Its not ALWAYS the case. And ALL women are NOT the same. Thats a sweeping statement to include all women.

In fact mood changes are there for men also. Do they have PMT too? I think they do esp when I see men who whine about their sorry lives and seek 'outside support'. :-)

The physical agony a woman goes through during her periods only another woman can understand NOT a man. So easy for them to put it down to HORMONES!

good to know you are not one of those like i know about...but you are certainly one angry women..:)

As much as I agree with you that hormones do not always play a part in how we are as women - I do think they do alter our moods and we are more hormonal then men.

Women complain about PMT, but I think of it as the only time of the month when I can be myself. Roseanne Barr:-)

Rishimba - changes in hormones do not affect the thought process in all women nor do all woemn get angry on trifles FYKI.

And by using that statement you make a general sweeping statement about all women and that is wrong.

Sad or happy - i dont agree. You being a man have only seen other women. I being a lady experience it every month. I know the difference.

neytiri, please read my post once again..what i said was..the change in hormones affect the thought process and i have noticed this certainly lowers their flash point. they get angry on trifles..

if you dont agree and take offence, its sad. but its true in most cases.

Rishimba - to put down a womans anger or her moods down to hormones is sexist. There can be many reasons for that and HORMONES are most definelty not one of them and i take offense at that.

neytiri, its not fair to interpret my comment as a sexist one..i tell from my experience..:)

I think some women see it as the same thing.

Getting the same rights as men in the workplace and home will make them equal - is what I think they want.

Is fighting for their rights and fighting for equality the same thing ?

I apologise if I have offended you and you think me aggressive.

A question was asked of me and I answered it honestly; how I have cut my cloth works for me and more importantly my family.

I actually said this to you when you told us you worked full time:-

I have great respect for you as the bread winner- nothing wrong in that all.

If that is how you chose to live; it has little to do with me or anybody else.

Does the way I live my life affect yours - NO.

If by actually thinking women are making it harder for themselves by insisting they join in the male world makes me some sort of anti-feminist mug- so what?

I had my career before my kids came along and loved. I did not feel marginalised by the men who I worked with neither did I try and compete. No need to; I did a good job and got paid well.

I also love my new career as a mother and wife and the side-line I call my part time job.

I actually think women are becoming more aggressive, because they want equality- and yet is that not something we ‘dislike’ about men?

What did i miss? Who is the Alpha Female on QL?

Neytiri - Arguments won't take us anywhere nice.:)) Thanks.

Princess Sarah - I am not here to argue with anyone. Thats your view and I am talking from my experiences. As i said good luck. I am wishing you WELL to have a positive life.

Neytiri - I am living in the real world or else I'm not here giving comments. Thanks for wishing me luck. I grew up surrounded with love and care, I know that at some point in my life I'll be hurt and dissapointed and will fail but that's reality but I'm created and born this way. It's rooted in me. I view things differently & I feel lucky coz my eyes are wide open at this age while others are blinded with the worries of unfairness in this world.There's nothing wrong with loving ourselves and standing for our rights as women. Even Our love for ourselves and our happiness should be at the top of our priorities. But are we truly loving ourselves when all we feel is unfairness instead of feeling inner happiness, peace, and total acceptance that life goes this way?

Blimey... it's a brave man who posts in this thread

Agree Neytiri, and I agree with Tinkerbells posts as well.

Princess Sarah - good for you. Best of luck in the real world.

Neytiri - Yes,I'm very young but that doesn't mean that how I view things is immature. There's a competition for equality. If you are striving to be treated equally as men then most likely be,you are inclined to compete. But for me there's no point in competition. Im not telling that we women should stop fighting for our rights and submit ourselves totally to men what I mean is to care for each other. I know this is not a perfect world and it's not our duty to change it and the people around us but at least I'm trying to free myself from the anger. The way I look at things maybe different from the way you look. We have our own points of view and that's my opinion. what does age has to do with giving your views in things? I suroound myself with love,free from hatred and criticisms to people and I do care for everyone men and women.Maybe that's the reason why I'm happy coz I always view the positive side of everything.

Some women atick to their own roles because the men they are with make sure they stay there because they are afraid they will be out done by the woman. Insecurity.

Many men cannot accept a woman who is more successful then them and if they feel insecure the first this they do is try to break her spirit and make her believe she is useless.

And i must say some of the things that Tinkerbell10 has said in her posts are true.

I've met some women who could run laps around their spouses and are far fitter and stronger than them Princess Sarah. Human gender roles are not cut and dry, women are not necessarily weaker, men not necessarily stronger. Every person should have the right to find their own role. Despite what some women say about men and women sticking to their own cut and dry roles.

Pilgram - I completly and totally agree with you. Women are more emotionally stronger than most men i know.

Very well put. :-)

Princess Sarah - I think you are a very young person. Your immatirity shows in your comment.

There is no COMPETITION here. This is about standing up for your rights as a woman to be treated like a human being and not like a dish rag.

Yes there are Neytiri, I've got one and my father for sure is one. He never tried to impose gender roles and always took an equal part in taking care of us and the household along with my mom.

I hate this idea that women are too emotional and therefore not good at their jobs, it's bullshit. I've seen more men crack under pressure and act aggressive in the workplace then I ever saw women, and I've never seen a woman cry or go off in the workplace cause she was on her period. It's an outdated idea spouted by insecure people.

Whatever the survey says I am aggressive in some particular situations but I know where my limitations are when it comes to my man. Men and Women should take care of each other, Men will protect women since women are physically weaker and women should care for their men in their own ways. Stop the competition. Men & women are not enemies here. We are bound to love each other. Khalas.

Pilgram - there are men out there who do pull in their own weight but sadly they are very few in number. Its time the men changed their way of thinking. Even here some of the comments i have read appall me.

Rishimba says its got to do with hormones! Oh Please give me a break! When a woman gets angry or is upset its because of her monthlies so what do we say about those men who beat their wives, or cheat on them, or treat other women like they own them?

Sexist comment to the core. And it riles me.

I agree Neytiri, at this point it's not the women that need to change, it's the men. If we're feeling overwhelmed it's not a sign that we need to get back in the kitchen, it's a sign we need to get men to step up and start helping out. You can have it all if both partners are willing to step up and help each other out.

The reason why many women are becoming independant is because they are tired of being door mats to their better halves. This does not happen in all case so I will not generalize this statement sweeping all men and women under it.

But in many Asian countries women are not given the respect they deserve. And it has now come to apoint when we women cannot take it anymore and so the need to rebel and fight for what is rightfully ours and stand up for ourselves.

At the end of the day we owe ourselves too. We work an 8hr job like any other man and still come home to be the wife, mother, daughter, sister, etc and are still treated badly. It has fgot nothing to do with hormones nor a comparison with workload! its got to do with respect and dignity. Being given the credit that we deserve,

But you are part of the problem cabbage, you have consistently judged women here for making the choice to be a working mom, or for being aggressive in getting what they want and you say that there should be clear women's and men's roles.

How is that not part of the problem?

Perhaps you should get off your high horse and appreciate that you have the rights you have because other women were aggressive and other women didn't want to stay in their cut and dry roles.

I agree with no merci, the biggest obstacle to women's rights is other women and right now you and other women with your attitude is a pretty huge obstacle.

Totally irrelevant.but wanted to share it with QLers...just 2 movies...both with the same lead actress....one is...DISCLOSURE..and the other...GI JANE...I leave it for you QLers to interpret the meaning of the term...ANGRY WOMEN......

That's rubbish re the child birth thing, it is medical fact that men can't give birth - so why bring that moot point up?

How do we know that we would die out if men had to give birth, we can't prove that, so why use that?

There are loads of physical difference between men and women and that means there are tasks that men can do and women can't and vice versa.

Saw a comedian on British television the other night asking about the worst pain ever-

He asked the women,’ they said childbirth’.

The men said, ‘a kick in the *alls’;.

Women give birth again BUT a man never asks to get kicked in the *alls again;-/

these could be because of some reasons like...financial strength and thus the courage to go all out against their husbands, combined workload which challenges their stamina, hormonal changes twice every month affects the thought process...but mostly its because when working women compare their workload with that of their husband's.

but i feel women are still far more tolerant than men...exceptions are always there.

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Brit, looking at it objectively, yes, I can see that. Before, women took care of the kids and the house. A big job in itself. Now they have added a job outside to it...more work. Yes, could be a burden. Subjectively though, yes, more work, but also more freedom of choice. That may make up for the added work.

Women became more aggressive, I don't know, maybe men feel that way because they have to deal with women on another level "the man's world" now. Or, because women have to be more assertive due to where they are in life now, which may be translated into being agressive by some.

Of course it is possible that they are more aggressive now, simply because it is neccessary.

It is not about superiority.

The issues of the article were that:

Many women feel that equality has been a burden.

Many women have become more aggressive as they have made inroads in a man's world.

Men only think they are "superior" because women let them think that. If men had to go through child birth we would have died out long ago (scientific research proves women have a higher pain threshold than men). Women will educate all their children, men (in many societies) concentrate on educating only the boys. Women with education have fewer but healthier and better educated children (all of them). And I think many women here in Qatar would agree that men would not be able to look after children, run the house, prepare meals, AND have a full time job. (We are very good at multi tasking).

My father was actually an exception - and he became a father in the middle 1950s - I still admire his one handed changing of the diaper technique (because an 18 month old is fighting the change so the other hand is firmly over the child's torso holding him still). He was the only father on my street who took all 6 of us out 2 - 3 times a week by himself to give my mother a break. Granted, if my mother knew of some of the things we were doing (fishing off condemned wharves over strong currents for one) she might not have relaxed as much.

Women are stronger in ways men have no conception of understanding or appreciating - look at your mothers, sisters, grandmothers, daughters - equality has nothing to do with it. Recognition does.

go sue me now

:D

I agree x

cabbage, you know, all I am saying here are things I find logical. Thing is, I have not experienced discrimination. Well, except of course from some morons over here, but never from anybody significant.

The same goes for my friends.

So, does it take aggression to make one's voice heard ? No, I do not believe so. Charisma and how you carry yourself ,dignity and being self assured will do that for you. This is my experience in general.

Some men may want to keep women down...using femininity or any other means.

Hmm, the flow of things...i do not think femininity is the deciding factor there...there is much more to it. Mainly the general dynamics between men and women.

I think if men and women are decent to each other, all this fighting is not necessary. Sadly, there are always some bad peas in the pod.

To get your voice heard does it take aggression? We know that men don't like it from a woman; is it because it is not a feminine thing to do?

Are men keen to keep us feminine because they want to keep us ‘down’?

Or does it affect the normal flow of how men and women are in life?

I am not saying men are ‘threatened’ by women a women’s role but some women appear ‘threatened’ by the male role.

Why cannot there be a clear divide in who does what?

I am asking all of this not because I am a wuss - I find this debate fascinating.

Well brit, yes, I think some men may get more aggressive as they feel threatened. And being threatened by a woman other than by nagging ,ultimatums, tears( those are IMHO totally useless and degrading) , makes them nervous, as it is out of their comfort zone.

I think both have to try to adjust to different circumstances. And change/adjustment are never easy to deal with.

Alpha female 1- Xenia Onatopp

Who else is an alpha female

Confess here.

I love it when you shout at me lol ;-))))

Nomerci has just said that she gets better results by using honey than treacle ..

You make a good point..

By the woman becoming more assertive, the men in turn are bcoming more aggressive in dealing with them.

lol tinks, you must have scared the s h i t out of them...;)

Well tinker, being aggressive and or feisty, usually only gets you opposition. I think honey is the way to catch the most flies.

Being calm, collected, eloquent and clear with what I wish to achieve has always paid off for me.

Just got a text from Mrs. Timebandit..

she says - "stop moaning - you already are "

Errrrr..... any offers ;)

I would love to be a kept man, a house husband.

tinker, well, if that is so, then women need to continue to stand up for themselves...anger does not do it.

brit, I think women have failed to ask for help. They may fear it makes them look weak and takes what they have achieved away from them.

Well done! xxx Be back later, I am off to make dinner.

Have a good debate.

tinker, that's because all are hungry for dinner...she needs to make clear that this not only her responsibility.

Exactly my point :O)

I am not part of your/the feminist problem at all as I am very happy with my lot and I do not need anybody to sort out my work or home issues. I can handle them quite confidently in my own way.

I have great respect for you as the bread winner- nothing wrong in that all. And if something happened to my husband’s job I of course would step in and take over until he found another job and I would be more than willing to step back once he found work.

We just have chosen different paths for our families and there is nothing wrong with either of us.

Re men’s rights: it is only recently in the UK that men are entitled to paternity leave, men still get charged more for car insurance. Some men who stay at home to look after their kids; if their spouse dies do not get the same benefits as a woman would; EVEN though because of their wages they have paid more in Tax and National Insurance.

So men can get a *um rap too.

Pilgram, actually, I think it is mostly women who stand in they way of women. Look around on QL for example. How many times have you seen threads where women complain about a cheating husband/boyfriend? Only for another woman to come and tell her that she is not taking care of "her hubby" properly, as in massaging his feet, bringing him slippers, serving his fave food and being always available to his needs and wishes.

For me those women are the same as men saying "you deserve to be raped because you are wearing a mini skirt".

Now don't get me wrong, I may do all those things for my husband...but does the same for me.

Perhaps , we should move away from the word "feminism" and just look at it from an equality perspective..

Now that women are able to be equal to men - are they regretting what they have achieved. Is society expecting too much from them ?

What about them cabbage? Last time I checked men still had all their rights.

Pilgram, I have seem many women to stand in the way of women's freedom, rights and equality. I do not think you will find it as much in the other groups you mentioned.

No but you do judge women who call themselves feminists and fight for their equality. Way to go for being part of the problem rather than part of the solution.

As for what would happen if a man decided not to something that's part of a traditional marriage, what marriage is traditional? Every marriage has to find its own way.

Right now I'm the main earner in my marriage and that suits us just fine. I enjoy working and I don't intend to give it up even though some women look down on me for doing so.

What about mens equal rights?

I was being sarcastic when I said I was a feminist lol

I can and do stand up for myself. I am not a push over at all. I am not aggresive about it because I don't think anybody needs to be aggresive in the home or work place to be effective and equal.

Being a housewife is rewarding but situation forces some women to work as the cost of living is getting higher by the day

No noMerci, that does not help the cause of women. Feminism is not about looking down on stay at home moms or being less feminine, it's about fighting for equal rights and treatment. Sadly, as I said, it had too many bad associations with it now which is why less and less women are comfortable calling themselves feminists.

Seems to me the gays, lesbians and transgenders are doing a much better job at fighting for equality while encompassing the wonderful diversity that is humanity then women did on our own. :(

I did not marry my husband to change him. He did not marry me to change me.

He can cook it's just not that great but then again a lot of women cannot cook either.

Some women don't do housework and fair play to them.

I wonder though what would happen if a man suddenly decided that he did not like to do something that is part of a traditional marriage?

Yes Cabbage therefore you are a feminist.

Whether you stand up and say something when your being treated unfairly is entirely up to you, but judging another woman because she chooses to stand up for herself is pretty discriminatory.

Brit I don't seen what binge drinking has to do with femininity? I can down a pint and get my nails painted at the same time. And frankly the only problems I see now is that the women have changed but the men haven't, and rather then try to get men to help more a lot of women seem to be running back to the kitchen. No one person should be expected to do everything.

Well, I do appreciate very much what women have accomplished/achieved for other women and for themselves.

Maybe I have met women who called themselves Feminist for the wrong reasons. The ones I have met looked down on me because I like shopping and make up. They would not even try to engage in discussion, just for the way I look. They do look down on men...they find it offensive if a man opens the door for them, they look down on me because I chose not to work ( at a certain time)..and so on and so forth.

That is not what I think is important for the cause of women.

The point I was trying to make is that Feminism or equality has brought its own problems.

many women, having "achieved" equality are now finding that in reality they have lost out. They are working, yet are expected to be mothers, carers, nurturers at the same time.

In adddition, the latest data regarding women binge drinking and showing aggressive behaviour probably means that they are losing touch with their feminine side..

would you agree ?

After all a feminist is just someone who believes that women have the right to live the life they choose regardless of the gender they were born.

So therefore I am a feminist!

As I do work, I do look after my home, my kids and my husband and yet I don't break *alls or turn aggresive if is deemed a man is getting better treatment than me :-)

"Gone nuclear" why? Cause they want equal pay? Or more opportunities? I don't see what's so nuclear about that.

Well then the men need to change cabbage. Why can't your husband cook? You had to learn, why shouldn't he? I'm teaching my husband to cook at the moment because I don't have the time. My husband is perfectly capable of cleaning the house and doing laundry as well. A marriage is a partnership after all and men are not children.

In the 50's and even in the 80's women did not go out to work as much as they do now.

So of course there has to be give and take on chores etc.

This is not about who can change plugs or nappy’s this is about- have women got more aggressive and losing their femininity and I happen to think some have.

I never have liked the phrase the 'war of sexists' but when I hear some women talk it has gone nuclear.

Brit it hasn't finished yet. Unfortunately now feminism has become a bad word conjuring up some image of an army booted, bra burning creature who wants to be a man, which is why cabbage and nomerci don't like to call themselves feminists.

Frankly this is sad because they're overlooking the women who worked really hard to give them the rights that they enjoy today. Personally I think every woman and MAN should be proud to call themselves a feminist. After all a feminist is just someone who believes that women have the right to live the life they choose regardless of the gender they were born.

NO.......that is not what that means at all.

As I said as well, if a woman makes it to the top she still has to be the one that runs the house and takes care of the kids more often than not.

Who does a child want when they are sick? Usually Mummy, yes men can do it to but usually Mum.

My husband can cook and he does but when you taste the food; as much as I appreciate the effort, try tasting it and believe me, you would not let him loose again lol

I am NOT saying that men and women can't interchange roles.

Back in the fifties (hell the 80's!)before feminism changing nappies was most definitely a female thing, a lot of thinking had to change in order for it to become acceptable for a man to help around the house and for a woman to do things otherwise previously thought men only, such as changing plugs. Anyway, you're the one who mentioned changing plugs as something manly you're capable of doing. I was just repeating you.

Feminism is not done yet.

Has feminism achieved its goals or has it caused more problems?

I am not dismissive of feminists. They can say and do what they want; as long as the role I have carved for myself is accepted to.

Why is changing a plug a male world thing? After all changing nappys is not just a female thing.

Yet you said: "Show me a woman that has everything and I will show you kids and a husband that does not."

Which implies that men are incapable of assisting at home, and the woman has to take care of everything.

Well then you have entered the "male" world cabbage, and you were able to work, buy cars, change plugs etc because of those women that called themselves feminists that you're so dismissive of.

Have I said that? No.

Can men be house husbands; yes they can be. Are they as good as women, sometimes yes.

Men do assist with the running of the house, not denied that.

As I have said this is not across the board.

There are of course in any situations the exception to the rule :-)

Why can't the husband assist with the running of the house? Basically what your saying is that women have to stay in the home because men are incapable of changing their roles. Why can't the best parent stay home or work less? And no, the best parent is not necessarily the woman.

When my children were babies; I was LUCKY enough to be able to stay at home. When they were at school I worked and studied part-time. I took them to school and was there for them at the end of the day.

I went to a mixed school, buy my own cars and manage to change plugs, mend hoovers etc and still apply lippy sometimes!

cabbage, not necessarily. I have a friend, she has her own business, a big one, at that. Her husband is at home. They are happy with the arrangement, no problems at all.

oh, I have entered the male world...in oh so many ways. Worked out ok for me.

I agree with that; however sometimes some women do not know where to draw the line and they do make a rod for their own back.

Let's face it; if a woman does get to the top; who still looks after the running of the home and nearly all responsibility for the kids.......the woman. Something has to give.

As I have said before on QL- Show me a woman that has everything and I will show you kids and a husband that does not.

So you've never worked cabbage? Never gone to a mixed gender school? Gone car shopping? or basically anything that involves you leaving your kitchen?

cabbage, agree with you. But what is "BB"?

Men and women are differnt , and that is a good thing. IMHO

Can't say I agree cabbage. My women bosses have always been much better than my male bosses. Having a boss with a little bit of emotion is not a bad thing. Male bosses are often too cold and dismissive, whereas females are empathetic. I prefer a female to a male boss any day of the week.

And again, being a feminist does not mean you have to throw away your make up and buy a pants suit.

I have never tried to enter the 'male' world. I enjoy being a woman too much.

I still think that women have a long way to go before we can be called B.B; I think we get called *itches by both men and women. I don't mind not being a B.B, I am ok with being called feisty or opinionated but I don't like the idea of being a B.B.

If I want to get something done in the home or at work, I go the other way. Men don’t do being ‘told what to do’ (who really does). So I use the power of suggestion. Leave them to think it is their idea and let them get on with it.

I don’t want to be like a man either not because I see that as ‘lowering myself’; I enjoy being a woman. I like being feisty and loving and all those things that make up my complicated personality.

I like a man to be a man and I in turn enjoy being a woman and like the roles both have to offer to the home and work environment.

As for being paid the same as men. That is a long way off I am afraid and I think one of the reasons why we don’t get that is this IMHO; when a woman gets to the top she rarely carries it off as well as a man – why? We are either too emotional or too cold. Neither way works. Men can show impartiality.

I am not saying this is across the board but I would hazard a guess it happens more than we like to admit.

If a woman has no ambition and just stays at home all day while maids do all the work then does a man have the right to get angry and upset?

I agree with ou regarding the rod for their own back..

Perhaps they were "promised" too much and now realise that reality is not the bed of roses they thought it would be.

Who said that being a feminist means that you can't be feminine? Being a feminist means that you believe in equal rights and opportunities for women, that's it. It's not about turning women into men.

cabbage, am with on the not being a feminist. I am, of course for equality in the work place, same pay for the same work, etc. BUT...I think women have given up too much and feel they need to be the same in every way as men. Now, women should NEVER aspire to be the same as men...that would certainly be lowering our standards....and leaving the ball breaking to men...I think way more women have and will be breaking balls than men.

I suspect you are still single? ;-/

Well, am not worried about the fruity ones, as they do not interest me and vice versa.

I happen to think (and I am going to be shouted down for this), that women have made for a rod for their own back.

I do not do feminism at all. You can still be a hard working intelligent female have the craic with men and still be feminine.

Neither one is Alpha or Beta or needs to be aggressive in the home or at work.

Women can struggle within a male dominated work environment but women can just be as hard on men in a female environment.

I find some women more sexist than men. Some women are trying too hard to be ‘male’ and we are not ‘male’. We are the nurturers, the calming influence and the home makers. Leave the *all breaking to the men.

theOne1 said They need to be ass RAMMED ...

They need to be ass RAMMED very hard to be tamed and accept who is boss

Read more: http://www.qatarliving.com/node/1661920#comment-1800540#ixzz1FRYN2h5W

What does ass rammed mean?

Maybe that means that men have gotten weaker and the women need to make up for it.

There is a perception that women on the whole are getting more aggressive. An example is driving. They are more likely to act like men in conflict situations. they are swearing more and drinking harder.

Here is a poem by the mighty Sexypear:

All the worlds a bondage

And the men merely tied up slaves.

They have their sexy time and torture time!

And one women in her time entraps many men.

At first the little man sulking & suckling in her lap!

Then the school goer with the satchel who jerks off every shining morning peeping at her through the crack of the window.

Then the lover todger like a ship's mast, with a woeful ballad made to his mistress boobies.

Take them off the steroids and restrict them to just 2 weetabix at breakfast and not 3

That should sort em

link?

about time.... :P

What's a gym?

TB buddy, told u to join Fitness First Gym ! :)

Heheh TB .. Why :P

True, TB.

Women are always angry... especialy at me :(

Hmm, brit, I think it is hard to say out here. It is a male dominated society, and yes, a woman does have to act aggressively at times to be heard.

In general...well, maybe women now say when they do not like something, more than , let's say, 20 years ago. If that makes her an Alpha Female"....:/

Since of late everything has some catchy tags! So a woman annoyed with her man's lack of ambition, or his bad behavior, etc is a new thing or is it the manner in which vents that's changed? I think my mom was quite an alpha female in that sense..and boy can she get mad!

It would be interesting to hear from the ladies..

Do you feel that society or more importantly, your partner has made you act more aggressively ..

Surely if a partner isn't pulling their weight in the marriage the other partner has a right to be upset. What does it matter if it's the man or the woman?

I am surprised by you. brit. You had a lasting liason with a true alpha-female, your Cuban shot putter.

britey i swear i dont know ! :(

all the females i have met till now are not as agressive as ME....Rofl

source please, want to reach that destination!!

Are females getting more aggressive?

Is their behaviour becoming more masculine ?

Alpha Female ?

wots tat ? :(

Any pic to support ?

Would have to read the article to comment.

It's only a trick to get more flowers and money for shopping, brit.