If u don't like,y stay here?

all got up and left this place how many would still be here??/ well not many,,, i think everyone at some stage has said i wish i wa not here with this Crap and teh fools at least one time a week sure.. so lets all pack up and go,, leave it all to the nations to run the shops teh service atation, to build teh roads and to build the villas, to run the treatment plants the power plant. collect the rubish from teh streets each morning..

and the list go on,,,, wake up plz

if it wasn't for the exit permit & work contract,I would've gone back a long time ago..:P

Yeah, everyone of us has a freedom to speech but it is much more better speaking good things! not hurting someone through those word which is not good to hear!

Congratulations again, Mr.Poodle. LOL

Dont worry mate we dont discriminate ,,,,, good to see you made something of your self no matter how low it is

What's the difference?

A poodle with an ExCon's brain or an ExCon with a poodle's brain?

Hahaha, lucky indeed.

Congratulations. LOL

go out and try a good ham and pineapple hawaiian pizza... think of how good life is here in qatar as we are so lucky...... so luckyyyyy

The City Center one is closer to me but they don't do that, weird, just called

Oh yeah, do that :-D

Try the Papa Johns at the student center in Qatar Foundation, you can customize your own pizza, from the dough to the amount of flour to the topping ;-D

Maybe you're right Asinine it shouldn't have gotten here but please re-read the thread, I never generalized, I always referred to the few ppl with that sort of negative behavior sorry if it was taken otherwise but it is strictly addressed towards those who come here and criticize just for the sake of it and from a racist background.

I promise you I will disregard any further posts in that sense and have my slice of Pizza, American one...

Cheers

Well, my previous comment was based on the notion that one shouldnt post a forum that can raise so many issues. Your post itself provided the ground for the trolls to loiter around and crap all over it.

People are racist in general. They have all those celebrity backed programs and organizations to eliminate this problem, but its rooted deep within the human minds. Dont get me wrong, but you cannot teach people how to think, nor you can tell them what to do if they dont like something. Its completely upto them, and ranting here all day wont do any good. You're just feeding the trolls.

I get what you tried to convene, I didnt get it at the beginning just by reading the post, so I went all ballistic just to shut all of em before this post gets all flamboyant and starts burning with all its fiery rage. Well, I dont know, it never stopped and the hell broke loose.

Anyways, just to point something out, trolls will post anything just to get some attention, whether its some racist comments or some sexist jokes, it doesnt really matter. A troll behind the screen doesnt have the thing that we call "shame"/ But by far, TonyHanna1 you've proven yourself the most racist person in this forum, you stereotyped more than anyone.

And not everyone is here for the ostentatious lifestyle this country provides, the idea is superficial and skin deep only. For instance, I am here on a research trip for four months at QSTP, and will head back to the states as soon as I am done.

Dont get all raged up because some troll is pestering you, take a chill pill, with a cup of coffee, hit the loo, relieve yourself, and kick back, turn on the TV and enjoy a beer with a slice of pizza.

You can't even write in your own language how challenging is it to understand it, I pity you, anyhow, the best are picked huh?

HAHAHAH

Your 1st movie must be Alice in wonderland or maybe even Peter Pan is ur real name, you are too stupid to know what we are made of in Lebanon, ignorant s like you think we are living in tents, we've seen a lot of ur type around here, our problems is with our leaders who made us have to take it from ppl like u...

You are needed in fact here, just for us to keep on remembering how unlucky we are to be born in this part of the world...but how fortunate we are compared to human-like creatures as you

I am convinced this man is on shrooms lmao

or inhaling his "JELL"

What you don't know is that we all get hired from back home :). They hand pick the best and they pay the best for those they want to bring here, in order for us to educate the little minds available. To us, "Manager" means you have hundreds working underneath you..Not just a blackberry and a laptop :) - oops did I hit a sensitive personal issue?

I know it does not work like that for you guys and I feel sorry for you and I understand your frustrations and defensiveness. But, We don't come here because we have no job or food to eat back home lol. Did you look up this one on google too? lol

You are by far the funniest man on this site. The more you write the more I realize why we (Westerners)are needed that bad in here lol

so why are you hare again,, you cant get a job back home???// or what was it you said,,,

unemployed, failures or worse, outlaws in their countries

Mentally challenged, thank you Drovers Dog, with your last post you reminded me I 4got to add that one for you westerners ending up here as I mentioned clearly that in my country and ours, we Asians and Arabs, it is sad but true that we do not have opportunities although we would love to stay in our lousy countries as for you, you have the most beautiful countries and all the opportunities but you are failures that is y u have to come here. u cannot fit in a successful setting as ur own country's.

sorry, can't explain it easier, please refer to www.explain-this-as-if-I-am-5-yrs-old.edu for more info (this site doesn't exist, thought I had to mention it for you due to the evidence of your low IQ)

Guys! all are dwellers of, naked in, same bathroom! !

It all matters MONEY MONEY and MONEY.

Had any body dared to be here if it was just a barren land? No!

Thanks to exploration of Natural Resources and the benifits shared by locals with expats world over.

Not blame any single nationality the prime target for all here are MAKING MONEY and life back at home.

Not back in your country,, ok now we understand ,, blame everyone but yourself for being here,, i infact love qatar,, when ever i see new money i happy to help them spend it,, it has bought me 2 real houses back in australia and tax free for the stuff we have to put up with ,, like try training a guy and telling him 20 times but back home one time only,, so why are you hare again,, you cant get a job back home???// or what was it you said,,,

unemployed, failures or worse, outlaws in their countries

tonyhanna1

you are absolutely correct.

Most of the derogatory comments made by the youth whose profile shows they are just below 20s.Immature guys.

Tony and Flor well commented !!

I am here to find love of my life............and don't give me those nasty looks.............I mean it.

Referring to us as "Arabs" "Asians" "little brains" and using stereotypes are not racist and they ask you to cool down.

Don't be upset Flor, if they were better than that in their own countries they wouldn't have ended up here coz' unlike us, they have better opportunities in their countries, but they are very much out of reach for them, so we end up having to take it from them here as they are unemployed, failures or worse, outlaws in their countries.

PG proud of the education u had?!? pathetic

I am upset! If you can not help their plight, why compound it with racist comment? If you can not do it discreetly, better shut the mouth as it only add pain to them.

And this is the "native english" we want for our children to learn?

or the excess JELL (they pronounce it like that), my theory is that it blocks them pores on the head and the long term effect is pretty much demonstrated on this very thread.

petergriffen lols...well said.... hahaha!!!

excuse the poor tabulah guy apprently hes high on hummus! :-p

Flor, no need to be upset. Reality is that in Qatar, Asians in general are not the smartest out there. Asians are known for their intelligence world-wide, but for some reason, most of the ones in here are the ones not fortunate enough to go elsewhere and get paid big, which is why they end up here. "Again, thanks to the system that bases salaries on nationalities", which is why people complain and which is why some degenerates ask people to either shut up or leave.

Most of my professors at my university were Asians. No one doubts their capabilities, but look around you and tell me what you think...

and "little brains". Now if you don't find it a racist comment, I don't know how you categorized it!

you are an Australian! "hears"? MAybe you have BIG brain chamber, but full of AIR not brain!

Look, you have to realise that everyone who disagrees with Tony is a racist and if we ignore the bad things here it means that they don't happen - easy

I find you OFFENSIVE for calling me a racist,, i think you should look up the word RACIST,,,,, i am indeed not one as i hate all people,, so ,,,,,,,YOU

hehe flor don't bother,such ppl don't need to be flagged or blocked from QL but from the country

little brains? Really? My my my, that is a VERY VERY RACIST comments? I'll flag you VERY OFFENSIVE!

Man,the thing is that they think they know it all, one day ur discussing a topic freely, the next, they attack your country and your race just because they disagree! And they dare call it democracy, just look at Wall Street's aggression.

Man,the thing is that they think they know it all, one day ur discussing a topic freely, the next, they attack your country and your race just because they disagree! And they dare call it democracy, just look at Wall Street's agression.

Tony, pls. don't spoil the show. You have touched the nerves of the outcast from his own rich country, the land of the shining ExCon.

You should understand that it is important to look at the dog's whole body and not just the mouth or tail before deciding what the dog is trying to communicate.

What appears initially as an aggression might just be a demonstration of HUNGER. LOL.

Proves my point stated as an answer to PG, of course, if you can locate which one I mean.

if you are a person that say you are here for a better life ,,,,all i can say is you must of had a shitfull life baci in your crap country back home,,, all western people are only here to make a better life back in their own country, and well deserved after being in a country like this with the asian tools you have to work with here. god bless them all ..if it was not for their little brains we would not be need.......

If u were more successful in life, maybe, just maybe, u'd have found something to do in ur own country... Thing is ur 2 stupid to argue so u become personal, I won't answer with the same level of ignorance and generalize coz' Americans are mostly cool understanding ppl. Of course, some of them stand out as you do so well, and one thing is fr sure, if I am making you laugh, then man, you need help.

Everybody on these threads can see how great u r in critical thinking by associating Lebanese in such an idiotic way to Gel (this is the way to write it, maybe u should start using Google for kids to know).

Don't get me started on all the stereotypes we have about Americans, they don't deserve, so go get a life somewhere else doing ur childish things in kidnapping and other stupid stuff...

Oh year, We are not living in Lebanon BTW.

What is up with this Tonyhanna guy?

Hahaha he called me racist again!

Reason: I picked on the way Lebanon does politics :)

Yes Tonny, I got my heart broken by a leb :(.. she promised me to stuff herself with silicon but she only did the upper half :(.. Also my Leb guy best friend bought all the Jell and Texas boots in Qatar and I can't find any :(

Dude, Please understand that you bring laughter to many of us in here. You lack credibility and you come up with the weirdest and most random things ever. God forbids you get stuck, you say things like "I make more money than you do lmao"

Do us all a huge favor, Refer to Google, since it is your bible of knowledge about everything in life, and memorize the definition of Racism. After that, go to any mirror at your place and spit on it and slap yourself real hard.

Money bro, money

Hahaha!!! I just love Qatar Living..

QL is reverting to type. clap clap clap... :)

Indeed flanstu :)

i'm here for the weather.

You are exposing yourself, with these guys, you are bringing curse and insults to your nation and race, just because u disagree with them!!!They will oversee that you are an engineer coz' they think they are so superior and special...At least we come from poor countries and are better off here but if they are so proud of their countries why did they end up here? Bet they are unemployed or outlaws :):)

as your not Aussie Tony it won't matter!! Or after you after one of their passports?

not all, ONLY THE NOISY and UNGRATEFUL ONE!

Some Aussies' jokes about New Zealanders will cool u down, however, I don't generalize, not all NZs are idiots...

nothing better to say than this Raven, u've been repeating it on and on, very creative and funny indeed, or maybe...

did they pinch your pointy shoes PG?? Better off without those fashion monstrosities mate!!

Dear PG, it seems that you must have been really hurt by a Lebanese Girl or Guy maybe, y do u keep on coming back 2 ur racist quotes, can't reply without getting personal and show ur hatred, some Lebanese must have really messed up with u or...

Make it a better place through nagging on QL wahahaha hilarious, even if u wanted to make it better, what is in it for you? Mind your own business and please, don't tell us you are here for the fun of it and not for the money..

yep but more money here surinder, so I'm milking the cash cow...

only MONEY!

I stay because I earn a truckload of cash...makes this country almost bearable!! Thank goodness for the QDC!!!

Did any1 hv thought about the set of ppl, who r trying to come+work to this country for better life, future, etc..

Every1 hv their own opinions, doesnt evrythin depend on the individual??........

PG- funny but wow, how have you not been banned already???

because following your idiotic logic in life, not ONE thing will ever change to better, just like Lebanese people practice politics in their country.

I can't believe I am contributing to this retard's post ;)

There are certain reasons Tony, I think these are few of those reasons:

1. Some cannot leave Qatar because of the better salary that they can get here than home.

2, Some cannot leave because their employer/s wouldn't allow them to or even threatened to cancel their visa. (which will hold your chances to get a better company)

3. Some cannot leave because their passport is in their employer's care.

4. Some cannot leave despite the fact that they were mistreated here in Qatar, they're still thinking about the remittance that they could make for their family.

5. Some cannot leave even though they are dying to but their employer/s withheld their salary for 4 or 5 months and cannot afford to buy his/her own ticket way back home.

And all they can do is.... sigh, complain, pray, and wait for a miracle to happen.

Easy to say... if you dont like it, leave! Different complaints, different circumstances.

And oh! by the way, I hate the trend of their clothes here,,,, does that makes me wanna leave Qatar?

BE - you missed the esque part, I would say of the same genre of thinking but not the same exactly - brainwashed is a more apt description.

When does one complaint? Its when you like something & do not want to leave. Instead you want it to improve & become more likeable. Why do people take criticism in such a negative way? Why do you complaint against your spouses, is it because you want to leave them? What if your spouse constantly kept saying if you don't like everything about me, leave me. Won't it be insane?

Stepford wives.. Beautiful, well dressed, smiling and obedient..

What more can one ask for :o)

basically if Tony had his way we would all go round pretending that everything was fine, as in some weird sci-fi stepford wives esque sort of way.

basically if Tony had his way we would all go round pretending that everything was fine, as in some weird sci-fi stepford wives esque sort of way.

What was the questions again ?

Fubar, there are some companies who treat the westerns as slave as well. I dont want to mention the companies anymore...honestly, I am still scared that something worst will happen to those westerns I personally knew. Also, try to google the "danger living in Qatar"

fubar, could it be that a Qatari businessman also respects humans? I guess, I have met those. And if you look closely: who are the managers mistreating employees? Qataris? I think most of them are not!!

There is no freedom of speech here, and there is no freedom of speech in Myanmar, too. But there are always people who say that there wasn't freedom of speech. And these people should shut up, because they disturb the 'peace'. It's better to live in 'peace' than to practise one's human rights! Or is it?

I have to say that living here has taught me to be grateful that I am not Indian of Filipino.

Man those guys get screwed over here by practically everything. Lower pay, worse treatment, no respect.

But perhaps western people get treated better here because we have the balls to complain about it?

If I was a Qatari sponsor who could treat my 140 Indian laborers like crap knowing that they would never, ever complain, then why would I provide them with decent working conditions?

what I don't like is that we are not allowed to say what we think and more importantly we are just 'supposed' to turn a blind eye to some of the very bad things that go on here.

Notice, top of my list of things that are wrong here are the flagrant human rights abuses that go on here. I am lucky, this does not affect me but I feel someone has to stand up and be counted to say 'no, this is wrong and we have to highlight this'

Please Tony, tell me exactly where we can say these things? As there is no freedom of the press here and negative coverage is covered up all the time, we have no avenue but this one. If you were to get you own way, we would never talk about, thus allowing perpetrators to literally get away with murder

You know one person?

I know three... same situation!!!

How about those who wants to get out of here and the employer doesnt want to provide them exit visas? I know someone who is being held here for the reason that they were charging him a huge amount of money for his training as he didn't sign for the extension of his contract. Sad to say that he is working with a government company and his embassy is still being ignored by his company. He can't just go to the labour court as we all know the system there.

You took the words out of my mouth LP.

I'm not here for the money, and my family is here, and noone is 'back home', because home is where I am. Your generalization is typical for QL.

To the point; All here are for money and earning for the family back at home.

For sure nobody would have stayed suffering heat,humidity and other difficulties for it was not for money and earning.

that's why a saying is that "Don't bore a hole in the plate by which you eat" so why so critical about the country where you are earning for yourself and your family? it is an absolute ungrateful act.

It all sounds quite stupid to me. If you don't like the planet earth, why don't you leave? Wouldn't it be better to try to make it a better place instead of dropping into space?

Why leave for that money,, i cna put up withthe crap for my salary each month.....

Totally agree, my issue is with "some" QLers as I said who jump on every opportunity to push things further, so you would be nagging about something and they can't wait to rubbish the whole country and system, if you follow my posts, I have included a lot of items on my complaints, like the one about the Medical commission, but one has to be objective, this is what I am saying, if you look at some people;s posts, including some who posted here, they are always negative and critical, that is y I tell them save urself from this hell, and us from ur depressive moods and go search and live elsewhere :)

waaaaht??... cheez i aint the fella whos here all saying to everyone to leave if they dont like it....er thts u homez... dude wht u on?...pass some of tht juju...its seems pretty strong!

and i know wht the majority of the people are feelin...thts why i m not naive and asking a silly question to which i know the answer...so pray tell me what didja get from asking this? are u blessed now tht u KNOW????!!

Regardless of where we are, if we see or experience something unacceptable by us, we as human beings will complain. Of course it makes more logical sense to present our issues to a person of authority and power who can actually help us, but its still very therapeutic to discuss it with like-minded and/or sympathetic people as well.

I don't know about anyone else but even when I was back in my country of birth if I didn't like something I'm not gonna shut up about it! Similarly as much as I love living here, far more than I have loved living anywhere else, if I see or go through negative things then I will express my feelings. Doesn't mean I'd rather be anywhere else though as I know by now no country is perfect!

It seems you are jjj75 look-alike, ask urself the question u just aksed me and then u will realize what the majority of people here are talking about...

"Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity" MLK

ay yo i aint crticising u.....u as naive as they come...im sorry homez... it aint as easy as i dont like it leave....id expect tht from sum language deprieved "wanna-be-local".....maybe u are........guess maybe u might have a clue as to where the perfect country is? u mind enlightening everybody abt it...so everybody can go there and be "perfect" expats in a perfect world???

it is really the fact.

expat are here just for money and of course enjoy a bit, and there is no better place to stay than country home.

Totally agree with you general_disarray...

isale - you make an interesting point and I actually agree with you. If you notice on the Pork QDC thread, there was lots of happy people complimenting the 'system' here. So we do see the good sometimes!

We are definitely all here for the money, however, I noticed that although many issues are indeed worrying and serious, it is a very livable and likable country.

TB - have you tried setting up your own business here. then you will understand the sponsorship rules...

I also agree with general_disarray's analysis... its the same way I look at my situation here...but living in Qatar is not bad if youre just a homebody like me...

there are some who sees only faults everywhere. Some see the faults as well as the good.

oh - I am hurt, can't handle the truth eh??? And don't worry, it is normal to disregard what you don't understand so no need for you to feel foolish.

I liked general_disarray's deep analysis, miss mimi nuanced opinion, and laughed at gtrman's criticism, u? I totally disregard your posts...

Tony - who are you agreeing with me, someone else or yourself?

good one...no comment

I totally agree!

if democracy exists..its fer every1...

for ppl who offend and defend...

post ur opinions n stick to it...

dun care bout wot others think...coz tis "Democracy" right??

besides...expats cant talk or act much bout "democracy" or "freemdom" in qatar...

no offence to anyone...

Fubar, I know, for someone who is a teacher, his desire to shut down free speech is astonishing

When there is another thread about Pork and Alcohol I'll be sure to direct them to this thread then.

If you don't like the idea of pork being available for sale, and soon in shops and restaurants and hotels, you know where to go. Home.

Also Tony - I think that you need a dose of Voltaire but as a teacher I would have expected you to know that.

Some of us actually do like it here and have no desire to move. Because of that, we do feel like we have a right to complain about some things, just like we would in our home country, with the hope that someone in power will change things. No country or place is perfect and nothing will change if you don't voice your complaints.

There are a section of QLers who want to believe (see translation = pretend) that nothing bad ever happens here and those that say so are nasty seditious people who should go back where they belong.

They live in a fairy fog which has massive blinkers/rose tinted view of Qatar, it goes something like this:

1. Qatar has a terrible human rights record - Response - "How dare you, no is has not, go back where you came from"

2. Qatar has a terrible problem with road safety - Response - "How dare you, no is has not, go back where you came from"

3. Qatar has very little going on, Response - "How dare you, it has plenty going on, go back where you came from"

4. Qatar is very expensive - Response - "How dare you, no it is not, go back where you came from"

To be honest, I could go on but we have all been round this hilarious merry go round too many times.

I am not sure what people are hoping to achieve by denying what is right under their noses? Do they want to become Qatari - got news for you buddy, that ain't never going to happen.

aaaand the grand prize of a shiny spanky new "travel document" goes to...... (drum roll).....(opening envolope)...tonyhanna1!!! yaaay!!! (clap! clap!)

.....pshyce!!!

This may not be the most popular post you'll read on QatarLiving.com, but it might be the most honest....

I've spent nearly 4 yrs in the Gulf between Doha and Bahrain. I have yet to meet ONE ex-pat that is here for anything other than money No one truly likes this place, but it's the best alternative to whatever their bad situation was at home. If the locals weren't.....well, let's just say, "the locals" ....then it might actually be a somewhat enjoyable experience. The ex-pats put up with the locals until they just can't stand it anymore and go back home.

Further insight......

There are other countries in which to make decent money as an ex-pat. More money can be made in some less desirable places in the world (hazardous zones), but you can't bring your family with you in most cases. You could go to Europe or Australia, for example, where the people are 5000x more friendly, outgoing, courteous, etc., but you're not going to make big money. Qatar is just lousy enough to pay good money to ex-pats (being a somewhat less desirable place to live, relatively speaking) and the low crime rate is suitable enough to bring your family to live with you.

So when the locals say "If you don't like it, leave", believe me, 99% of us would LOVE to get out of here on the next flight out and we're all saving up as frantically as possible to do so, but this is where we are "paying our dues" so we can go back to our own country and actually enjoy our lives and the people we live amongst again. Sorry, but this is how the vast majority of ex-pats feel.

think that when you voice an opinion that its automatically assumed you don't like the place you are in.

I think that the way people are raised in these countries shows there is very little individualism - they are all taught like puppets and don't think for themselves but are told what and how to think and if you don't follow the majority, you become an outcast.

Unlike western cultures - your freedom to think and feel what you want to think and feel is how we are raised.

I also believe that alot of jealousy stems from cultures that conform, because they have no idea how to attain individuality - so they just continue to follow the crowd.

really, y don't u then accept what I am saying u democracy preachers? I m not kicking any one out, I am recommending the most intelligent and reasonable thing to do when you are so negative about a country, and I mentioned "some" WL users who are always critical and seem to be soooo depressed to be here!

Nothing in the world can make me stay in a country if I am so unhappy as them, ...

I am free to discuss whatever I want here!

that is so true i totaly agree

there's something called democracey any one can share his feelings and thoughts

you have no right to tell others what they should say and should't

everyone has the freedom of speech to say whatever they want

you have no right to tell others what they should say and should't

everyone has the freedom of speech to say whatever they want

And if some people don't like hearing others complaining, then they should take their own advice and leave, right?