Leching at my girlfriend by locals etc

First, Even women who wears "Abyya" get the same looks.

Second, those men must be sexually frustrated.

Bottom line, men are dogs .... Sometimes :)

even if u wear something to cover ur body still they are staring and how many tyms it happened on me...following in the mall specially there in the bags and sandals section..then when ur choosing there they passed and put a small paper wid their contact number..

and also even if i am wid my bf they don"t hesitate to do it, thinking ur wid a guy??!!

licking their lips??hmpft!!

they don"t know how to respect girls or they are desperate maniacs!

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OMG, and what did the Interpol and the UN said about this?

i wish i look like your girlfriend :)

kidding aside, she might be pretty/stunning/or a sight for their sore eyes :)

just ignore

...listen to the sound of silence....

well what can i say

most of the guys u see around in doha are teenagers and they always love to stare at women and girls

even qatari girls feel the same way

guess if u can be with a guy when u are out u wont have that proplem

but beleve me qatari guys just stare but they wont bit u

bbpin:211d6c9f

its totally annoying but at least here they can do only is to stare to the ladies if u will look in other countries maybe more than staring already happened to them.

DON'T LET FANTASY ROB YOU OF YOUR REAL LIFE BEAUTY

beauty lies in the eye of the beholder answer your question

As discussed before, any tempting dress always attracts men in every society.

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So try to wear such clothes which maximum hides your girl's body and also shouldn't reveal the curves of her body too ofcourse.

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In this way you can freely roam in Public places

Relax... if its the labourers you are talking about, they've not seen a white skinned lady where they come from, so they are... 'taken aback'... most of it is harmless... but yeah some of it would qualify as leching...

now it's known wy women are extremly taking it so far with the "HARD TO GET" thing .. A lady friend told me that " woow i love qatar , i feel like i'm jennifer lopez in here " keeping in maind she is 3/10 rated lol

*edit: sorry for bringing back an old thread guys

Wear Hijaab no one will stare at U.

When U open your body to others..

Definately People will see U..

Only Bad Girls Wear Such Clothes...

People Only Stare to Bad Girls...

No Body Stares at GOOD Girls...

So Be GOOD GIRL & Wear Hijab...

Even in Christianity HIJAAB is there

Clothes Alike Muslims Ladies wearing .......

This subject has to end! We talked enough!

Cheers

"Better in time...down just like that"

A few heads do turn, I might mention, every time I'm roaming around without a collar!

this always happens everytime im with a female companion. i guess, it's a cultural thing coz they are not expose in seeing a woman free to display their beauty. it's really irritating at firt but you just have to understand them and would get over it in time.

Hey brother,

don't worry just go where ever you want, if you come again with such incidents then just face them and ask what they want.

note that, every place you have CID now and its 100% sure from my side.

pm to Bleu, fixed.

vanhornstern, the embassy are probably idiots if they said that.... I don't believe that "this happens often and nothing could be done for her"

I can see your point of not wanting to make trouble and "avoid eye contact" but it is difficult when they are looking at your 14-year-old daughter that way. I tend to get angry and let them know it. She tells me "but mom, girls can marry at my age here." Its still difficult, after all this is my little girl! (although not so little anymore.) I will make eye contact and I will express displeasure and I would do something if they touched her.

im arab but i lived most of my life in the U.S and i hold a U.S passport

It is god's creation.At times it happens to men too. Some r enjoying some r ignoring some r expressing and trying to find solution ?! because the direction is from above

Brilliant!

Unfortunately, others are going to find fault with all of your statements as I can guarantee. Even though you are 100% right.

Brin

Its sad that too many chauvinistic, western-ophobics trolls who have not read any of the posts keep posting here.

Again GF was walking the short distance back to hotel on friday, and an arab man in pick up slows down, kerb crawler style to try to pick her up.

Curious I know you dont believe any of this happens, or seemed to have talked to any women to see if its true ot not so why are you posting?

Why dont you talk to your imam about reminding men to respect women of all cultures?

Great minds think alike, but fools seldom differ. (English Proverb)

Scarlett...I won't argue about that...

From your note, you understand that it is your experience and you may not generalise.

You comparison with america is not really indicative because you are not comparing apple with apple.

your experience here is an american lady abroad, while your experience in america is an american lady in america.

Anyway, should staring happen here more than anywhere else, it should not just be attributed to certain ethinic groups and this is the problem with which i totally disagree. We all have bad experiences and good experiences. Remember that not all stares are sexually driven.

and it happens every day here. What bothers me is when some moron follows me on the road and I'm driving by myself. I've had 5 men follow me in the past 2 months(at different times, of course!) home from the Corniche. All of them locals...and yes I CAN tell the difference. Not wanting them to know where I live, I pull into different compounds that have guards and ask to wait inside until they leave. For those of you that say it happens in America...I've only had that happen to me once back home and I pulled into the police station and he freaked...

The latest was on C ring when I pull into a petrol station to get petrol. Have a local pull up next to me (my windows were down) and proceed to ask if I wanted to be friends, (huh?) and then ask if I wanted to get a hotel room. Ok folks, I am 52 years old, dress VERY conservatively and don't lead guys on...where the heck did he get the idea that I would ever in a million years want to go to a hotel with a stranger at a petrol station????

What I have found is the men here stare, some look at you like you are a piece of meat and they are starving..and some in not a very nice way. For the most part, the locals are more discreet about it, wearing sunshades and smiling. NOT smiling is something women have to learn when they come over here. Sad, but true. Seems it is an instant invitation that you are interested in sex with a complete stranger.

Now..those of you that are locals, please don't take offense to what was said...its just recent personal experiences. For the majority of time I've spent in Doha, the locals have such lovely people. Unfortunately, it takes only a few mental midgets to ruin an impression. Luckily for me, my first impressions(and continued impression) is that the people here, including the expats from every nation, are nice folks.

Those of you that say for women to dress more conservatively and the problem will disappear, I say bullhockey. Its not the dress that creates the problem, its the male refusing to take responsibility for their own actions and acting like an ass in the process.

If you pick up a starving dog and make him prosperous, he will not bite you; that is the main difference between a dog and man.

-Mark Twain-

lol bleu

just respect each other thats the most importan thing i think

Mandi, no, look at this link for more info about many QL users.

Sigh, this post keeps going round and round. People keep saying that women who dress very conservatively, even those who wear abayas, get stared at and the responders keep saying if you dress modestly you won't get stared at. Is anyone listening?

MAndi

The people who are looking will keep on looking.

the people who are wearing will keep on wearing.

ONLY thing.

if ur not happy to look the WEARING WAYS OR DRESSES.

please be good to ur self. control ur eye by looking down when walking.

if UR NOT HAPPY WITH people watching U,

Please, wear decent cloths. and stop checking whether others looking at you.

Hope these will solve the things or atlease reduce ur worries.

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Safety is better always than pointing others

bleu, you hit it. im happy to be included in your 20%. :)

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"Admit your mistakes...before someone exaggerates the story."

gdd, most are lying.... about 80% of QL members say from Qatar or USA... they probably hate their countries.

Oh dear Roadtester..... wear the abaya or be hassled.

Considering the men doing the leching (regardless of the damn ethnic origin people!) cant control themselves.... Im simply going to threaten to poke their eyes out. Much easier.

To one who mentioned "if you tell them what the hell are you staring at" or whatever, and they dont turn away. I beg to differ actually.... they almost run away. Its quite fun actually... they made me feel uncomfortable so guess what Im going to do?!?!?

All of this conversation will just make me a bit more overt about my comments to them... it certainly doesn't put me at risk ... just either pisses them off or they run away and thats fine with me.

Brin

As i must keep repeating she wears conservative clothing, long trousers/arms topsetc not like these speedo abaya.

I will give this advice to all western women, ignore marhaba or anyone else who says conservative dress is acceptable, it isn't. Wear abaya or you will be hassled, end of discussion.

Great minds think alike, but fools seldom differ. (English Proverb)

i just wanted to add a thought.

its never the qatari men who stare. they always are polite, gentle and nice.

they never ever have made me feel uncomfortable.

it's always the foreign workers here, like the hard labour people.

all of this staring. nothing will intimidate them from looking away. even shooting them a look of "what the hell are you looking at, loser?" nothing makes them turn away, look away, divert eyes.

it's frustrating and sickening. I enjoy being in qatar, but i cannot enjoy the looks and i cannot get used to it. it's hard to ignore.

i want to go about my daily life, do the things i need to do (you know, basic things like driving a car, shopping for grocerys, walk down the street) without un-blinking eyes latched on my every move. it's sick.

Infact, i often get so furious that they think they have a RIGHT to stare this way at any woman. does it matter that this woman could be a mother? a wife?

on more than one occasion i have told them off. they KNOW it's wrong to stare, believe me. but they know no one will do anything about it. i will. i will always speak up if i get too mad. but it's exhausting. there are too many of them to teach a lesson. so then i feel defeated.

sometimes, i think they need a good slap to the head.

there are only a few woman who don't mind the attention, no matter who it comes from.

i haaaate it. and i believe that the majority of woman hate it as well.

we want to feel free. not dreading every stoplight, or walk on the sidewalk, or trip in the mall.

you are very right.

u no what man, this is the wrong question to post, espicially in an arab country. Listen man, if u dont like the country. Move out dont complain about how we stare down ur girlfriend. We arabs down wear abayas and cover our faces or wear thobs in english country(U.S.A). You have to respect out culture tell ur girlfriend to cover up and not wear short clothes. And if some1 just does that like the man in the car, dont stereotype all arabs because i dont do that and now u probably think that all men in qatar do that. That man was very disrespectful however, ur girlfriend shouldnt do things, such as showing her legs. Indians do that to my sister and everytime they look at her either i flip them off(middlefinger) or the last time an indian looked at my sister i tackeld him to the ground. Im 16, he was about 18.

Tell your ladies to keep their Assets properly locked/covered, after all boys are Naughty BOYS.

take care of your lady

don't blame anyone, just keep in your mind that you are in Qatar/Arab Country.

so to make your self save, dress well, don't let your girls SHOW their self SUPER, sure no one will look at them if they are not OVER.

The complete non accepetance, hands over eyes, of this as a problem, by men in this part of the world is sadly telling.

Great minds think alike, but fools seldom differ. (English Proverb)

Muya, This was really brillient reply

However, for those who are concerned with being stared at; and think they have something that precious that they don't want people to see...............simply cover it.

Brin..

Spot on..Human Nature!

Goludum -- That was nail on the head. well said.

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Listen to Many..Speak to a few.

CuriousBDetermined - I agree with you.

Staring is their own thing... when it makes me uncomfortable its a problem... just as if someone were to touch me, it would be a problem.

Lechers are lechers.... vs. analyzing the reason behind it, I'd prefer to say "What the hell are you staring at".... much more fun :)

Husband isn't necessarily generalizing but it leads to an interesting point as well.... If you hear a voice you like from behind a closed door, you want to open the door to see what is behind the voice. If you're given the the voice and now a view of the arm and like both, you want to see more... etc. Human nature.

But, u are right....

Brin

Curious why are you thinking this about point scoring, in additon to America, Europe I would add Africa and South East Asia. Im sorry you cant accept that in these countries men are better able to control themselves.

The whole 'wearing conservative clothing' is a lie.

Basically, unless your in burqa you will be treated as a skank.

I wish Qatar was just honest and come out like saudi and say women must dress like this, no compromise. Trying to have it both ways causes these problems.

Brin,

Staring happens and it is not your problem. We are trying to say that staring happens by all people not just certain ones.

Lechers will stare whenever they like the person, or may stare for other reasons as this process is not just sexually driven.

However, limiting the case to sexually driven purposes, appropriate clothing should do the job.

With all respect, your husband cannot generalise on what men feel when seeing burqa. However, if you accept this assumption, then i don't see why a wide t-shirt/wide jeans can generate the imagination of what is hidden.

... because these lechers can't control themselves. Why is that our problem?

Country culture and muslim requirements DO NOT request that we be dressed in a burqa... the acceptable is wearing non-revealing and modest clothing.

AGAIN - a plain t-shirt (not tight) and jeans (not tight) is NOT REVEALING or IMMODEST.

Im getting more amazed at some of the responses.... "Women - dress better" "Women are wearing provocative clothing that asks for this" (all in so many words).

Grow up!

Im in Qatar and not in Saudi. Qatar is not as restrictive as Saudi and therefore I can wear a t-shirt and jeans and shouldn't have to feel embarassed.

Its the MEN that can't control themselves and put it on the women to make it impossible for the opportunity for them have a shot and being leches... or shall I say LEECHES!

My husband (who's muslim) says that its even more exciting for men to see women in a burqa anyway because it makes their imagination go crazy with 'whats underneath'.

Suggest all of the lechers think with the right head!

Brin

Roadtester..I am replying to your note just to educate you a bit...

Europe and America represent prpoably half of the world with a very wide spectrum of cultures and ethinicities and other variables.

You may not give a broad statement like you did as it is False.

For your information, those social studies have a problem to scientists because it is hard to make accurate results. Human & social phenominons are very complicated. This is not about point scoring, but your statement is wrong.

I hope you are not a believer in the lie called Free world.

Atif - when did lebanon become and african Arab country?

Only underdressed woman i have seen in a mall was a lebanese women in spray on trouser and bright blue boob tube.

Curious - well your wrong, as a woman can walk through any MALL in europe and america and not be touched up, leched at, followed into the toilet. I dont know why you wont accept that?

Every country has its problems.

WALI KALI

Well, no doubt staring is getting very normal & frequent in Qatar but i think its the WELL EXPOSED feminine dress wore by WESTERNERS & few arab african countries.

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The more ladies will expose their bodies, more men will stare at them. In Islamic Countries, such exposing clothes are not allowed and that is the reason that Muslim men when they see any other woman exposing her body parts or curves, their mouth gets filled with water.

So, please guys you have to ask your girlfriend or wife to have decent clothes as your in ISLAMIC country & no body will accept such dress codes.

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You have to wear according to the COUNTRY in which your residing.

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"JAISA DES WAISA BHAES"

Roadtester..

Why should I be offended when associated with Indians or other Asians? This is a preception/impression you have developed based on your own experience which in NO WAY can be generalised on all Arabs. Only narrow minded people think this way and the same applies to those who agree with this fact.

I never denied it is happening here but I am saying it happens everywhere by all types of people.

Is that hard to digest!

Curious - maybe you are exception but of the arabs i have met if you called them Asian and associate them with indian sub continent or South east Asia they would be grossly offended.

I dont get your point curious? It is the 'majority' of certain groups doing this.

I just feel like you have your hands over your eyes and fingers in ears and you wont accept that this happens here.

I read almost all the comments....

I am with my wife too. We are not much settle here in Qatar. We travel by Bus or by taxi.

We have the same problem.

Before I take my wife here, I studies the environtment. Then I toled my wofe this is how the men here are behaving. so you need to bring dresses acoordingly.

She brought gresses where it covers the whole body(Not the Abaya) but long sleeves and covers upto the bottom of foots. With is I am quiet happy. cos there is nothing to look. and she covers the chess area with the thick showl. so there is nothing to view by others. we both are comfotable with this. Preventing is beter than cure. We r muslims and we are shame on the way most of muslims behaves. the none muslims much good in behaving. and it is not only indians, all the Asians are the same. I stop the friendships of mine due to this reason. we are asians too...

I am basicaly a person who is respecting Girls. I do havce sisters and a Mother. now I have a wife. And I will or might have a daouter in the future. How I expect it from others if Iam not doing it.

People should think about ur reuirements first and then they should act acordingly.

I am wondering how these people respect to thire own sisters and family members???

May God give them a good habit on this.....

Roadtester..

I think this is taking longer than it needs..

I believe one of the strong replies to this post, if not the strongest, about hating to go out, came from M.S who attributes it to all at equal which proves the point that no one should specify a certain ethnic group.

The point about definition is that different cultures consider certain actions equally. Catchning your male friend hand while walking on the street is perfectly normal here while in UK for example is considered homosexual or something like that.

If you are referring to my posts to claim that non Europeans are not aware of glaring then I refer to your posts that you are not aware of Geography to tell what is an Asian country and what is not.

Victor Bhatt - We’ve reached page 3 because it’s a hot topic – people are viewing and discussion racism and sexism and all other ‘-isms’. On your comment “be modest in your dressing and follow the rules of the land”…. I’ll mention this again…. Is a t-shirt and jeans not modest??? Give me a break!

All – We shouldn’t ban going into malls or creating family day or even the rest of the crap that goes along with it. In fact, I think this family day thing is crap… but you know why they created it??? One of the exact reasons is for what we’ve been talking about here. Everyone should be able to go to the mall when they like… but respect everybody else. Simple. Go in, do your thing and leave.

M.S. It’s a shame you feel you can’t even go out anywhere. You’re missing out on everything in Qatar.

What this all comes down to…. Respect everyone… not just the ladies. I given an example just from shopping….. in some countries, going to an outdoor market is an absolutely EXPERIENCE. You push people, you pull people, you tell them to get out of your way and you argue (very loudly) to get the right price. THAT happens to be what you do in that particular area of the world and that particular scene. Go to Villagio and start doing that and you’ll be kicked out before you’ve even started… Why??? Because it’s not acceptable … they don’t need to post signs to say “don’t push or no bartering” and nor do they need to post signs “do not stare at women like a t-bone steak and you’ve just arrived off a deserted island”… its common sense and simple human courtesy and more specifically – follow the rules of the land (as Victor Bhatt wants to list).

All (including Roadtester with the example of hot-pants last night) – it does not matter what you wear….. you will get leched. Simple. I wear a suit each day and I’m stared at. The fact is – these people (Im not stating a race – Im simply referring to the ‘lechers’) – have no understanding of appropriate handling of themselves from a social situation in a developed country. I don’t see women leching men very much (ok, unless you’re sitting at Irish on a Thursday night and in that case, I might be one of them)…. Why? Because we don’t deem it appropriate in most social situations and have the sense to be a bit more subtle about it and that is BECAUSE we’ve been brought up differently. Perhaps that’s the key…. Subtlety…. They should take ‘subtlety classes’ when they arrive… ha ha ha.

Basically….. Lechers have 2 choices…. Stare ‘discreetly’ (which is what this region is about) or as if it’s a “T-bone”…. But, be prepared that if it’s a T-Bone Stare and you run into me… I’ll do everything short of trying to cancel your bloody visa!.

Brin

But curious from yours and others comments it seems that non europeans aren't aware of the difference between a glare, looking and leching.

Have any of you men, that deny that it happens actually read the posts by women about how they hate to go out??

Last night I was out eating and there was a western family and the young teen daughters had very short shorts verging on hot pants, which I thought was terrible. My partner and I couldn't believe it.

We also did a test in city centre and the conclusion is that unless you wear full abaya and hijab then you will get leched at, take it or leave it.

Roadtester..

Focus on the point please.

You denied mentioning the Asians while all countries you quoted happens to be in Asia...You may not have explicitly stated that but it is Asia...If you are English, then you are British by default, for example....

And regardless of Asia even,,attributing staring at women, whether sexually driven or not, to certain ethnic groups, is not right not mentioning how discriminating it is.

Certainly, I don't believe you are racist, but this is what it is- differentiation by race.

If anyone, for example, attributes this to Europeans, then he would be mistaken too as this act is excercised almost equally by all nations.

Seriously goludumdum

Dont misquote me and then use it to make a false argument - that goes for you too curious.

READ AGAIN SLOWLY

"Qataris and indian/pakistani/bangla men" In this discussion I haven't even got on to talking about direspectful saudis when in Bahrain. Also phillipinos have always been repectful, so it is unfair to say Asia as you are including south-east asians.

Qatar is not usually termed Asian, I'd like to see you call a qatari an Asian. LOL

NOTE TO MODS - goludumdum is stalking me.

Ill tell you right now, woman can walk through any mall in the UK and pretty much Europe and and not be molested.

Ill agree with the teen pregnancies, but take that back right now abotu rapes - because you dont know what the hell you are talking about.

Rape - we can talk about this all day, sad to hear you like other deluded people haven't got real facts - Without even bothering to check other countries, Egypt has more rapes than the UK - now explain that?!

Seriously please stop with the moral superiority. Every country has its problems, its wether they are ready to accept that they need to change them.

goludumdum..

you are the man of this argument..no fair person would dare to compare with facts and statistics you laid out..

Well done on behalf of Impartiality!

got one assorted to topic...;-p

KinG-07

You are right britexpat, I totally agree with you,,

"Winners never quit, quiter's never win"

RESPECT LADIES PPL.....THATS ALL,LETCHING STARING ETC ETC WILL GO ON AND ON......U CANT CHANGE IT,THE BEST THING IS JUST AVOID AND MOVE ON.....CHEERS!!

it would help if everyone lowers their gazes while walking around........

LOL! Yeah! I was replying to britexpat :D

hehe! It does seem weird reading this after yours :)

Sowwwwyyy!

Peace

"Better in time...down just like that"

My outings are like, going out to buy something missing or so,from a nearby supermarket. I always stay in the car! The last time I went out to a normal outing was Tiesto's concert. Where there was staring people, but still not like walking in a mall or down the street or just crossing a road.

My friends come over, we gather, BBQ, swim and even have a cinema; so I don't have to worry about going to the cinema. And to stay fit, I hit the gym, what else do I want from out there?

Indeed I got specific days where you know there won't be people at that time as much as there is EVERYDAY!

Like if I felt like city center, I either go Saturday or Sunday morning, early morning; after 11am forget it.

The mall, weekdays except Thursday, between 3 to 5pm. Empty as a desert, that's if I want to dine in Chili's.

Beach, weekdays and weekends, early morning till around 11am too and on Friday be aware Friday might get crowded starting from 9am.

U know I just always pick good timings. Doha's life is more like a routine life, people do almost the same thing, everyday; you can say I memorized the whole process.

Good luck to all

Cheers

"Better in time...down just like that"

whenever A lady walks on the road; only Shaitaan follows and lech her......irrespective of nationality, color of skin, all men become followers of Shaitaan.....

We reached to page 3 now....

may I request to conclude now to "Be modest in your dressing and follow the rules of the Land"....

If get any physical assault, don't spare and punish the culprit.

to go out. I've been here for nearly 3 years now. Everytime I go out, I am fearful of these idiots that's why I think 100x if I should go out or stay in my room for as long as I am here in Doha. Sometimes due to extreme feeling of being bored and lonely I go out quickly and foes back home before I may possible encounter with these idiots.

I have never said it was only asians.

Roadtester...my disagreement with you started from the first post by attributing this observation to Asians.

Clearly this is not true. Truth is that everyone does it. Men, women, east and west.

I too agree with you that westerners and asian should be respected equally.

Curious, what are you on about? im agreeing with you, im saying the same amount of respect should be given to women wether they be arab or western. You keep misreading my posts.

Brin.. so you is saying that men only go to shopping malls to stare at women..

Well in that case they should have Ladies only days instead of Families days.. as the worst culprits among others are married men and locals who get entry unchallnged at the malls?

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HE WHO DARES WINS

.... its all about what a woman wears then?

Thats now what Im hearing in the last few.... (I dare not state that maybe those are the same people that say a woman deserves to be raped because she looked like a prostitute... but please, I won't go there).

so, my t-shirt and normal jeans were considered slaggish? Ahhh... I love it.

There was also a comment dissing Lebanese women vs. Westerners and one being genuinely blond and the other not.... ummm.... have you SEEN the hair dye aisle at any pharmacy???? well, majority is Westerners sweetie pie!

We respect the culture - blonde or not. It has nothing to do with it. It has to do with certain men acting like idiots and their eyes bugging out of their heads.

A great definition for staring (yes, it is an actual definition): to be boldly or obtrusively conspicuous.

Everyone who is doubting any of this and probably has more time on their hands than a corpse, go and just sit at Villagio on a bench for 10 minutes (there's much more action at the main entrance)... just watch... take a survey... do whatever. You'll see that all of this is true... its annoying, its rude and it only reinforces the stereotypes created about specific 'ethnic origins'.

Brin

marhabtain.. I think you is confusing Lebaneese ladies with western women.. yes they do look the same, only difference is that one are genuinely blonde the others are fake's..

Majority of the Western women do respect the culture that they are in..

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HE WHO DARES WINS

Does anyone know any western lady that has don the Abaya to avoid being stared at..

Well Mrs UkEng only wore the Abaya when we were travelling through Saudi on route to UAE to stop the locals staring at her.

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HE WHO DARES WINS

are mostly stared on or oggled at but not necessarily lustily or maybe yeah...because they exactly resemble (hope they are not the ones)people exactly depicting those found in PORN MOVIES...and they just want to take a closer look on these people.

They will not accept anybody to look at their GF or wife. But wen alone they will glare at other girls whether it is wife or GF of others..

One should always try to respect the culture and dress modestly in public (guy or gal) and if someone does face problems, they should immediately approach the law/police....

They have recently launched the new police (blk n white cars) for more security and stability.

The things can get worst or out of control as much as we want to make them...

This is THE SAFEST place to live with family even comparing to the other GCC countries for sure...

Take it easy

Sorry but far too many European women in Qatar dress like they are in Tosser del Mar or Benidorm - they should take a look at the elegance of young Qatari women. Sorry but the European women aint being oggled lustfully but looked at with disdain and disgust or because they look like slags! . Put some clothes on slappers! Zippydoo! Yippee, Yippeee, its GORDONS gin for me!

WINNER Gordons Gin Personal Consumption Award 2008 Hic!

double post

Guess now one understands the invention of the full covered Abaya.. So if you inside the tent no one can stare at you but you can stare at anyone..

Like they say when in Rome do like the Romans...

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I am very sorry to hear of your predicament. Does this mean that you don't go out at all or only to certain places ?

At Last, we have an independent true observation.

Thanks M.S

Honestly I somehow got sick of these stares, I get starred by everyone passing by me, I lived here my whole life. Since I was mature enough to realize that they stare in an unbelievable way, I felt sick of going out. Around 10% of the people here in Doha are normal, as for the rest, they stare, follow and touch too; SICKOS!

And no, not only indians, pakis and so, that stare; all kinda of nationalities, westerns, easterns, asians,ect.

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Curious - you havn't read and understood what i said.

Im saying western people find staring as offensive as arabs find bachelors harrasing women in hijab. Im using it as comparison that is all.

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Simple - keep her at home tied to the cooker where she really ought to be. Yippee, Yippeee, its GORDONS gin for me!

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Just be considerate what to expect to a person hailed with lots of camels around... next time if this will happen again, approach the guy and ask what is his problem? but be sure that you already contacted the police for assistance...

Roadtester...

why the heck are you so centred about Arabs and Hijabs in your argument?!

Staring is wrong and is not just sexually driven..

This is done by arabs, asians and westerners..

Stop talking about impartiality.

goludumdum..Well put!

LOL goludumdum - see my post earlier - there is a big difference between a fast look (glance) and staring - eyes wide, not looking at anything else.

This is very rude to our culture, much like a man talking to an married arab mans wife, or a 'bachelor' trying to chat up a girl in a hijab. There just seems a double standard.

Your avatar is funny enough to let ppl understand you are a man of action;-)

To ease your mind - Im actually well aware of the ethnic differences (after spending quite a bit of time in those areas as well) and Im feeling pretty confident they were indian. Luckily, the blonde hair is colour-by-clairol, sweetheart and it wouldnt matter if I was 95 and with a walker... the idiots would still stare.

But, I can also harp on Lebanese, Syrians or anyone else. And, Im the FIRST to say Americans or, as many get classified, 'those westerners', stare damn hard. However, not in the sense I'm referring to above. And clearly, not in the sense as the poor guy who's girlfriend was 'leched' on.

There is a certain element of simple 'class' ... nothing to do with status.... that becomes very NOT evident when certain men stare like little boys who just hit puberty and are looking at the lingerie section of the Sears catalog (and Im referring to men not in a general term but simply because I'm a women and therefore can't refer to any other gender but that and I emphasize - CERTAIN men - not ALL men).

And, as noted in a later thread (perhaps you missed that in your haste), generalize or not.... we're stuck with the fact that most people here will stereotype 'indians' and may assume they're all miserable leches and dirty labourers (luckily, we don't all do that) or Egyptians being the potholes of Arabic society or every American being a loser because of the damage the war has done. Those are stereotypes... unfortunately, majority rules.

And, in this case, if the dude staring me down like a t-bone steak (ok, well, bad 'cow' example to any indians reading this so my apologies) is Indian.... I will note he's indian... if he's American, I'll slap the sucker and tell him I'll sue him, his mother and his dead dog and if he's lebanese, if I weren't married, I'd probably date the cutie :)

At the end of the day, fine, stare... but ease up a bit. Desperation is simply not attractive nor is making anyone feel uncomfortable (and these aren't exceptions... its a regular challenge).

I honestly wonder what goes through the miniscule little brains "Ewww.. if I stare at her maybe she'll come over to me and plant a big smooch on me and I can marry her and get a passport!".

Brin

Well Done for telling them off and also for not mentioning nationalities. People who stare deserve to be told off. Chances are that they will not stop doing it, but then again, if everyone does what you did, we might just start to get the point across.

So this morning Im at the Dept of Labour ... granted thats just ASKING for trouble since Im virtually the only female there and to boot, I need to sit in front of the Visa committee which is a bunch of Qataris to obtain a visa for my company.

anyway, Im there with one of my guys and there are these two 'Lechers' while we are waiting.... and to boot, they are businessmen (I retract my earlier statement). I wont say which nationality but there only about 2 or 3 that are regularly at the Dept of Labour!

They looked at me like I was naked. It was 8:30 and I hadnt coffee so I just stared them down. That didnt work... they just kept whispering to each other while looking and grinning (like a used car salesman) at me. Now we're all standing there and they aren't more than a metre and a 1/2 a part from me. I did what Im good at "What the hell are you staring at?!?!?!"

Brin

I did indeed Saddavi, this post is becuase of what I read in marhaba about 'dressing conservative' not 'staring' etc.

in this part of the world, it seems that there's no such thing as an ugly woman....all women are damn georgeous!!!!

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i agree with u mate, but did u read abt the "dress code" in Marhaba? follow it 100% and u will b fine.

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Roadtester,

I'll add: Watch = 1 min +

Some people are watching the women like they would watch TV..

Curious I don't know how you can not get my definition???

Glance = 1-2 sec

Stare = 20 sec +

You have not read the thread, when a western women wore the abaya she was also harrased.

curious said "you have no way of competing against our community which protects the women and give her such a high status..and i refer to striptease shows and prostitutions..which are lawful over there.."

WHAT??? Prostituition is illegal in UK, its only legal in some european countries and certain states, NOT ALL Why are you bringing up stripshows - your just west bashing, claming false moral superiority of another culture. Your argument is actually telling me the reverse, in the west we have these things yet a woman can walk through a mall or shop and not be harrased or touched. Also women have more actual protection in courts of Law in west.

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YAHHH RIGHT

For those who cannot take it anymore.....try wearing the black gown, abeyah or whatever it is called and even going a step further, cover your face tight with scarf...lol!

Man, there is no perfect world....you need to give up something for the sunny climate, tax free money, good roads etc. We faced the same thing during our stay in Arabian gulf (people staring at my wife) and used to avoid crowded places or malls on Fridays. By the way, WE ARE INDIANS.

Coming to education and civilizing people.....I sincerely wish it is done. HERE IS WHAT HAPPENED WITH ME IN A GAS PUMP RIGHT IN WASHINGTON DC. I fill up gas & go to the booth for payment, a guy intervenes asking for money....I ignore him and go inside, finish my business and come out to see another guy outside asking money again! I thought ok let me give him some and no sooner I gave this 2nd one a 3rd one jumps up just at the point while I was getting into my car …Oh man! For a while I forgot I am in UNITED STATES……I ignored the 3rd one too and got into my car and just note what happened after that. The 3rd guy failing to get money from me, chased the 2nd one trying to snatch something from him…I didn’t want to see after that.

Oh ya, I forgot to ask if they were Indians too…lol! Though in a different situation but the context was about civilizing people….so thought of sharing this experience.

siddh???

Roadtester..you have interesting definitions of what is i checking out..glaring and staring...To start with..i do not agree with your definitions..do you differentiate the types of look based on how long they last or the intensity or widness of the looking eye?? This is way too vague a definition....

I have seen westerners stare at women here, in the uk, in south east asia, far east asia...This happens by all and i am not saying just westerners like you did for the qataris and asians...

I believe we could classify this as "abuse of women"..and when it comes to that..assuming you come from the UK..you have no way of competing against our community which protects the women and give her such a high status..and i refer to striptease shows and prostitutions..which are lawful over there..

If an arab women with her full covered up dress walks in the most conservative part of the west..they will stare..glare..you name it they have it..which is too bad too!

I do admit there are bad behaviours over here...by Qataris and Asians..which is practiced by westerners too...

To conclude, I advise you to be independent and to liberate yourself from the wrong impressions you have wether you carry them willingly or unrealisngly...

some people over here..unfortunately, without naming any nationality, insult people who are not looking good..overweight, short..which is too bad...this might be the reason for which the short and overweight lady was abused?? maybe

I don't think we ladies mean to point fingers at any race or nationality or say that staring and harassment only happens in the East or West. But I know where it doesn't happen and where it does. And if you want an example of it happening in the West, well, take certain parts of Latin America. It does happen there, I assure you. I used to hear hisses of "Rubio, rubio!" (hey, blondie) when I went shopping in Brazil.

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I don't consider myself good looking; I am short and overweight, and yet I have had a man grab himself and make kissing noises at me while walking through Villaggio. I was wearing a long sleeve shirt and jeans. I don't think it is a matter of "looking sexy" or wearing revealing clothes. It is a matter of men who are objectifying women. The good thing is my husband is 6'2" and built like a bricksh*t house and when the guy saw my husband coming his way, he ran.

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Curious there is 'checking out' which of course happens everywhere e.g a glance, then there is Staring - ie looking at someone continually never looking at anything else. The glaring was both by arab and asians, the former because I now believe they think she is arab, and the latter because certain asians seem to stare at any white women.

In addition 'touching' my GF doesn't get touched up in western malls.

This thing happens everywhere in the world...shopping malls..streets...bus and train stations...work...

I take some naming here as perfectly racist and subjective...

Roadtester...why would you attribute the stares at your girlfriend to Qataris and Asians??

Have no westerners look at your GF?? and if not, are you claiming that westerners do not stare at women in a discriminating way??

If a woman is alone. she needs to be extra alert and diligent; there was a thread on QL, where women confessed that they carry some tools to counter attack as safety measures, whenever such circumstance arise.

Desperate and frustrated people are there in all communities and countries, so stop blaming any countrymen for the crime by an individual.

Curious,

Do you think people are just animals in the jungle??? And they're free to do whatever they want???

As a Muslim, I'd expect you to know the Islamic response to a woman wearing revealing clothes, you look away and say "أستغفر الله"... You also know that it's haram to keep watching her or touch her in any way...

I'd suggest that any woman who is touched to IMMEDIATELY scream and hit the guy who did it, and probably shout POLICE! Something similar could also be useful for all the staring men.

curious hasn't read any of it - he like some other posters sniffed 'west bashing' and thought he would add another one of those non muslims/burkha wearers are skanks and desereved to be felt up.

He hasn't read at all the conservatively dressed people being harrased/touched which doesn't happen anything like the scale here.

lmao curious... did you actually read anything on this thread?

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If a fine lady wears sexy dress and goes to a crowded place..what would she expect??

Dressing in a sexy way is like a permission for people to look at you...tell me..what are the motives or reasons for which ladies wear sexy dresses??they want to grab attention....

If you are really annoyed by being looked at..stop wearing tight jeans..putting loads of make up..walking like a hungry tiger..and then blaming young guys..

All people stare..arabs..westerners...asians..why focus on indians and pakistanis?? you are so hypocritical...

Thank god we don't have striptease shows like most western countries do and has not gone that far...

Any lady who wears sexy dress may not blame people for staring...and if it annoys you cover up damn it!!

Really pathetic & stupid!!

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this is the first time I am writing most blunt comment in QL.

These are purely personal physical assault and absolutely unacceptable. No compromise,

suggest to live a modest life in Qatar with due diligence (always); report such incidents to the police, give full details of the incident with the cultprits look and dress code, etc. Get punished the guilty rather complaining about the nation.

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ARIEN;I totally disagree with you. The point here is not what those ladies are wearing, lets just say they are not properly dress, do you think those bastards has the rights to do such act? To harrased those ladies?

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Are you alright??? where did i wrote about the dressing and stuff?? Xyke wrote . those Indians and pakisthanis.. If this is not generalisation , you need to go back to school.

Xyke101 ; I never disagreed with the subject, but generalising is stupidity. and you did so.

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Thank You Scorpion-Three. You've got my point and you are so right.

ARIEN, I hope it won't happen to any member of your family or else maybe next time you will share that experience to us.

This is not just a joke, its happening.. WAKE UP!

For all the readers, especially ladies. Try to be more alert. Despite of the fact that we are here in Qatar that is totally strict it doesn't mean that you are all free from these crimes.

I was so affected, as the topic started, LECHING at her girlfriend. Started by just staring at them...so whats next. I am so affected because I have friend who undergo on such trauma because of that. Please be noted: She noticed already that, that guy is staring at her but she ignored it and end up on following her in the ladies toilet.

EXACTLY ROADLTESTER.. I got the point of XYKE101, he is just trying to warn all the ladies out there, or for us to be aware and protect our ladies.

ARIEN: I totally disagree with you. The point here is not what those ladies are wearing, lets just say they are not properly dress, do you think those bastards has the rights to do such act? To harrased those ladies?

How come you say XYKE101 generalize one whole nationality? Come on, he never say all Indians, all Pakistanis, all blah blaha bla....Maybe you are affected because you are one of them! Grow up!

VICTOR: I had a close friend thatgot harras too. Imagine, ladies toilet there in AL MEERA Mansoura. My friend is wearing a complete set of Suit, but still she was followed and grabbed there inside ladies toilet.Good thing that when she get panic and started to scream, that bastard ran away and got lost. She totally decent looking. So how can you say that is a matter of modesty in clothing and reputation?

My girlfriend doesn't get harrased in the west, but she does in middle east -

I agree victor rape and molestation is high in middle east compared to the west where women and men are brought up together. If it was less modest you would have less problems and less of the bi rape culture.

The men must not be mature enough to control their desires.

just don't touch or all hell will break loose...

you know the crime statistics against women in other parts of the world and compare it where you are today..

Without any offense, don't you think it is something to do with modesty in clothing and reputation in the local society as well...

Xyke 101 - Sorry to hear what your 47 year old motherin law had to go through.

Brother - There are many call girls from countries me and you come from, can we call the whole lot in our country pros?? .

Grow up and dont generalise one whole nationality.

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oh that must be hard for her, and I thought being a pale western female itself was tough.

It is so wrong how they treat her like that.

Yeah it happens here in Qatar so you better get used to it.. Who else can know it better than me.. I have been here in this country for donkeys years. Just ignore them that is all you can do..

We went to have alook at Qube on weekend and only one of us was allowed to take a look so she did, and she said as she was walking out two arabic guys walked past and one of them said slut. She swore at them and said from their looks, that they'd thought she was arabic.

She was really angry as she was wearing a jacket covering her shoulders and just a normal top and normal jeans, no cleavage etc, she even commented in the club some girl "had all her bits on show"!

That is probably where most of the problems stem for her. I have a friend who is from the UK but tans very easily so when she is not pale like usual she has alot of arabic men coming up to her thinking she is lebenese or arabis but not covered up in the traditional robes.

In my case i think my partner is getting grief, because she has quite dark hair and pale skin. Shes british through and through, but she has been called lebanese, also the childcare place she works, a woman complained to her boss that she wasn't wearing a headscarf (non of the non-muslims wear them), to which the boss replied "well why should she, she is from UK - "Oh thought they were arabic" the woman said. She also got commented on her good English for an Arabic girl - lol.

I don't think its just the "Western" women that get stared at or harrassed.

The problem is crime such as sexual harrassment is not published over here. you do not hear of the many car accidents that occur etc.

It is the pride of a country that stops this information being publically aired!

You may hear of abuse in western countries because the media release the story to raise awareness.

Without awareness laws and protection are not created.

Being stared at the way the men do over here makes me feel like I am dirty and have something wrong with me. Like mentioned above they look at us like we have a disbility... Like being white or western is wrong!

I understand they have not been exposed to many western people in their home countries however the awful glares we get are horrible.... One day I will snap and it will not be pretty

It is better to endure the hardship of education that to taste the "bitterness of ignorance".

sajmarhab - seriously stop with the moral racism - im getting really angry with the Rape in europe and US vs middle east comments.

E.g straight away in Egypt there are more rapes than UK, there are no proper rape statistics, horrific cases like in saudi where local saudi muslim men raped a womah and gay raped a man - which doesnt happen in west. Rape in marriage is a crime in the west, it isn't in Middle east.

South Africa lead the world in rapes by miles!!!

Mods please stop these continual lies.

Yes, just ignore them. I'm shortsighted, and the good thing is when I remove my glasses (I always do it after work), I can't see clearly anybody staring at me, so it doesn't bother me too much!

Oh my God, I'm gonna go to Bahrain this weekend...hmm, that's awful. But thanks for your info., I'd like to wear jeans there instead of a skirt, which would make me feel safe.

I beg to disagree DORA, how can you say only those who looked like a prosti..no matter how ugly you are or decent looking, those maniacs don't care. they are retard. Its not just a hearsay. I hope it wont happen to you so you can tell us how it goes.

Brin, you make a good point and I have to agree. I have seen what the women go through with my own eyes and I find it disgusting as well.

For the rest.........All I offer is a different insight into the behavior of these people. Being an Indian myself it saddens me to think that an entire nation can be generalized or branded. I thank my stars that I was given the opportunity to live around the world and see different behaviors of different people in different nations. ARE "INDIANS" REALLY THAT BAD???????

Only to someone that looked like a prossie......

I am fascinated by this. I have heard a lot about females being stared at, but being touched openly in public ? That's a bit risky as we've seen in the example above..

Why would anyone take such a chance ?

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Bloody Hell, those Pakistanis and Indians.

My mother in law is almost 47 years old and yet she experienced being harass by those bastards. While walking home, 1 pakistani guy just grab her breast and run. Thats it. Imagine its morning! hmmm...same thing happened with her friend, just walking going home and 1 Indian grab her (there, yahhh...down there) She is wearing jeans anyways but still...grhhh

Another instance, my collegue.She was in Lulu Hyper and waiting for her friend to come but suddenly 1 egyptian guy touch her behind, what she did? she scream and scream and scream till she got the attention of most of the bystanders including the secuirity guard. They caught the guy because he was shock with the reaction of my colleague. They arrested him and call the police. My colleage was very eager to set a formal complain. In the end...The Maniac was jailed and sent back to their land.

Thats why I can say, its okay if they will just stare and thats it but never ever let anybody to touch our woman.

This is getting a bit too graphical...

well, what harm could they do to your GF. Let them lick their lips dry, have their pistol loaded, coz at the end of the day these guys can only start loving their hands.

He he he... great idea!

Brin

I've been reading this thread from top to bottom, but i was wondering if it would be kinda funny to make ugly faces at them when they stare at you. I mean imagine giving them a monkey face or a piggish nose or crossing your eyes, i bet that would scare them! I do that sometimes to people here when they start staring and it totally catches them by suprise. They often get embarrassed and stop staring! Has anyone ever tried it?

Gerthfer - no, it the post wasn't a result of yours... (actually saw it after I posted mine).

Its a country that is multicultural and whether they come from a different class or from some remote village, they, along with the rest of us, should and are expected to conduct ourselves in a respectful way. Whether that is relating to women, not stealing, not being being overly 'affectionate' in public or anything else.

I most certainly will not call security in a mall or the store unless they've actually done something to me, or stolen my purse or grabbed me or something. They have as much a right to be there as I do but we all have to deal with each other in public places.

It takes putting them in their place. If a guy feels me up at a bar.... you'r damn right I'll smack him or simply call up security and get him tossed. Quite simple.

Same thing with saying what I do to them at the store or on the road.... you want to stare like a caveman, expect this woman to say something... it sure as hell won't bother me and hopefully, they'll consider what they're doing the next time.

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dont care such activities, as far as it is just staring only, due to the strict rules (sharia)99.9% ladies are safe in these lands. it is not like US and Europe, where every minutes, the heniose rape is ongoing, even against the minors also.

Brin......I guess your comments could be a result of my post. Yes, I agree with you, but as I mentioned, its due to lack of education. I have a wife and 2 kids and have seen it happen to my wife on many occasions. These people that we speak about come from a conservative society and I don't blame them but rather blame society for making them the way they are.

Not deviating from the topic too much.....its kind of like looking at a person with a physical disability. You and I would know better than to stare coz we have been brought up in a society that tells us that its rude. Now, its up to us to teach our children the same.

From another point-of-view.......instead of letting these so called people mingle with society (so they MIGHT learn), we keep trying to alianate them even more eg: keeping them out of malls, keeping them off the corniche, stacking them 10 to a room the size of our toilet and paying them wages that we cannot even imagine. (not that money has anything to do with it)

What do you think!

Hmm Brin, very interesting, I better not catch u in Carrefour Villagio as i go there often and i get very distracted by fair skinned blondes and i WILL stare at u like u are wearing nothing at all, and if you even so much as dare utter a whisper you'll have my Kat to deal with.

Anyways, as it goes, yes to certain extent it is mostly these labour class people that like to stare, but in the end fact is we cant really do anything about them? would it make u feel better reporting them to security and they get thrown out? They are mostly guys that have lived their lives never seeing women from any other country but their own, perhaps its their first time abroad, we cant blame them for being fascinated with "Strange Foreign Beauty" :)

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Its annoying and a pain. Im blonde and fair skinned and, no Im not being racist, but the majority of the issues of outright blatant staring (like Im wearing nothing at all) is by Indians. Now, I'd like to point out its rarely by business men or Indians of a different 'class'... its labourers or of lower social class. Sorry for being blunt.

Qataris not too much, pretty respectful, Lebanese... well, unless you're in a bar, they're pretty harmless.

They do it with my husband right by me who is about 6'3" and built pretty damn well ... the audacity in just that is crazy. My husband has actually gone after a few.

What I've found that works VERY well.... I throw a fit. Yup... throw a small fit.

Example... Carrefour, walking thru Villagio, etc. I've noticed it more the last few weeks. When there is VERY overt stares ... I literally say in a tone just below a yell which other people very clearly hear "What the hell are you looking at?!?!?!". The guy VERY quickly walks or runs away. I've even done it when driving and my sunroof is open and a whole truck of them ogles like they've never seen a woman. I roll down the window and do the same thing.... Boy, it works.

Its just differences that keep their attention... but they also have to be put in place as to what makes a woman uncomfortable.... it has nothing to do with culture.. its simple respect in ANY country you're in.

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Racism and generalisation.

Relax dude its nothing personal, some of us men like to admire beauty, and then some of us like to admire how beautiful girls end up with stupid ugly men, either of this could be your case :)

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75% of the population in Qatar is men! However generalising a sex because of your personal experience is wrong or even to generalise a whole race, religion, nationality or anything else for that matter. Don't forget that this includes your own father, brother or another family member.

The so called Indian/Pakistani/bangla men that you refer to mostly work as labourers and come from villages in remote parts of their country where education is non existant. Most of them are thrust into a society where they have no clue how they must behave, what is right and what is wrong.

What about racism in the west! Is it not the same? Its a result of bad upbringing and lack of education or just simple ignorance. I once walked the streets of Phoneix in the US looking for a supermarket. Had a guy walk up to me, stop me, stared at me and asked me what the F*&^ I was doing in his country. Now, must I generalize and say that all Americans are assholes?

People, think about what you are saying before blurting out the first thing that comes to mind. If not.....you are no different and sound as illiterate as the people you are talking about.

Hey Tiny, you said in your post......:"the woman belongs to you" ......man, you are the biggest hippocrate of the lot. A woman belongs to no one. Just goes to prove my point about ignorance (even among those that are educated!)

75% of the population in Qatar is men! However generalising a sex because of your personal experience is wrong or even to generalise a whole race, religion, nationality or anything else for that matter. Don't forget that this includes your own father, brother or another family member.

The so called Indian/Pakistani/bangla men that you refer to mostly work as labourers and come from villages in remote parts of their country where education is non existant. Most of them are thrust into a society where they have no clue how they must behave, what is right and what is wrong.

What about racism in the west! Is it not the same? Its a result of bad upbringing and lack of education or just simple ignorance. I once walked the streets of Phoneix in the US looking for a supermarket. Had a guy walk up to me, stop me, stared at me and asked me what the F*&^ I was doing in his country. Now, must I generalize and say that all Americans are assholes?

People, think about what you are saying before blurting out the first thing that comes to mind. If not.....you are no different and sound as illiterate as the people you are talking about.

Hey Tiny, you said in your post......:"the woman belongs to you" ......man, you are the biggest hippocrate of the lot. A woman belongs to no one. Just goes to prove my point about ignorance (even among those that are educated!)

warning ppl,true!BTW,there is now a wide-ranging consensus among health professionals from all disciplines that "self-satisfaction" is psychologically healthy and something most people do.Still I have no idea how "we can 'educate' these people to be more civil" and not to do it in public...you tell me Brit! I heard it to many times on QL "take it or leave it"!

The simple fact is that this happens in many many countries around the world. We can't legislate for it. we can "educate" these people to be more civil, but we either have to learn to live with it or go where we feel more comfortable.

No one should have to leave a country on basis that some men act like animals.

Perhaps the simple answer is to leave the country.

Sounds like a whole lot of wishful thinking going on here

a rare items are always precious, therefore being in here i guess you must know that its coming to you. Be prepare and face the fact that people are just being curious or desperate.

Well, then, Ladies....do not expose it if you don't want other people to see it.

Just think you have a celebrity gf... but oh oh oh with a lot of stalker behind you! so you better protect your girl much!!!! its good to know she has you but with all the ladies walking by herselves, its kinda uncomfortable, bcoz from my experience in a bus station one man (dont want to mention the nationality) staring at me and get his cp and took a picture of me, lots of experience from different nationality, staring at you,get bumped on you even that you know your miles away.. and worse sitting besides you on a bus and stare at you seems your like a unique canvass or anything moving his feet on you(thats too scary for me,coz dat time im d only girl & d driver w/c is not my same race doesnt care at all whats happening in his sorroundings... grrrr!!!i still rem. his face. darn!cant do anything that time expcept to curse him on his face).

glad that finally, have my service transpo going to office.

Just think you have a celebrity gf... but oh oh oh with a lot of stalker behind you! so you better protect your girl much!!!! its good to know she has you but with all the ladies walking by herselves, its kinda uncomfortable, bcoz from my experience in a bus station one man (dont want to mention the nationality) staring at me and get his cp and took a picture of me, lots of experience from different nationality, staring at you,get bumped on you even that you know your miles away.. and worse sitting besides you on a bus and stare at you seems your like a unique canvass or anything moving his feet on you(thats too scary for me,coz dat time im d only girl & d driver w/c is not my same race doesnt care at all whats happening in his sorroundings... grrrr!!!i still rem. his face. darn!cant do anything that time expcept to curse him on his face).

glad that finally, have my service transpo going to office.

u shud have told them that you cud give them the "texture of your shoes" and hit them left right and center with the shoes!! Hiiieeeyaaa!!!(karate gestures!!)

2 years ago, it was my 2nd day here in Doha, we came to City Center with my brother and his family. Goodness!They did not stare at me, but 3 locals touched my hair, the other one smelled it when we were in escalator. I said "WTF!!!your problem!!!" in my shreiking voice because of course I was surprised, I didn't notice I sweared in public. Anyway, they were all red, apologized and said they were just curious of my hair's texture. Duh!!!

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I'm a guy. Looking(a glance)at something pretty is not a crime u know. This is a code i'd follow.

glance = ok

Staring/oggling = not a very nice thing to do

touching = BEEP!! BEEP!!gona end up in trouble!!

good luck.... to all

I'm well over six feet tall with my shoes on and blond but certainly not stunning...still, some guys come up to me and some even try to touch me. I was at Carrefour the other evening and a man came up behind me and touched my hair...freaky huh? I prefer to go out with my husband because then it's just the ogling and they don't approach me at all. I think it's best just to ignore them if they aren't causing any harm.

Haha Franelizabeth, wish I wore the same lens power glasses as you do!

I'm not attracted to women, well, bcause i AM one.. but women around here are STUNNING.. as are the blokes.. and I DO get transfixed also.. I'm not that way inclined, I just can't believe that you lot walk around doing day jobs and seem to be oblivious to the fact that you make jaws drop.. men or women.

At Tiesto the other night, I think I must have seen at least 5 people who were literally breathtaking.. I think sometimes I must look like a tortoise who has just swallowed a bong...

So true Davidak

trust me Davidak89, they are!!

"afterall their ladies are on the whole more attractive than most of the western birds round here!

No way! And most of the time i can't tell when they are wearing their robes.

farroukh yes you are absolutely right!

"Born optimist nothing can keep me too low for so long"

if they staring at you stare hard at them.I,m with DORA locals are busy looking in mirrors and fixing their GOTRAS.they go for thier own birdies.people stare are those who living single here and visits their families may be once in a year

Mata Hari,

i liked your reaction and I am sure the guy was surprised; you should have just photographed him and posted it on some public site - he would never do it again if he saw his picture.

AP

You could always go to him and ask why is he staring at your girl. This might lead to confusion if he denies it or he might tell you that he likes looking at your girl. Some people stare without really being aware of what they are staring at - they are 'staring into space', rather than at someone in their focus and this can often be misinterpreted.

I have been given the once over by a few locals and stared at by a few local women. Yes, I also get stared at by the workers as well.

So I do stand by what I said regarding, double standards.

My thoughts are my own, but I doubt my Mum would agree with some of them.

Dump her!!!! get another Uugly and horrible looking monster babe and live happily. None will bother to stare.

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lol... just point at their tackle area and laugh.. that should do it:)

I'm not familiar with the types that stare as being classed 'locals', the 'locals' are the Qataris. The majority of Qatari men are too interested in their own appearance to bother staring at women...I doubt they would cast a second glance, afterall their ladies are on the whole more attractive than most of the western birds round here!

pennypitstop, what double standard? The people who stare are mostly teenagers and they guys who aren't allowed in on "Family Day"... Somehow, they are lumped up as "locals" by the OP and your post.

Everybody who stares, or makes rude gestures should face the consequences, some people like to just ignore it, and don't report it, and then they complain about a "double standard".

at all to do with what we wear or don't wear,they just stare.

It is rude.

If my partner stared at a local lady and made rude gestures, he would be locked up and then deported.

Ditto, if I tried to 'chat up' a local man or take his picture etc.

Terrible case of double standards.

My thoughts are my own, but I doubt my Mum would agree with some of them.

Not only Gfs even wives,The major cause is no outlet here !!! for them..the only solution is dont go alone. always take someone with you

wear decent clothes so as not to attract attentions

dont stare back. ignore and keep on going

call 999

I m smiling to read all that precious words which have been stated in this regards....

Isn’t surprising that you exhibit something in your showcase and then try to hide it with your fingers?

Dear All,

Solution is very simple... just be moderate and reasonable in ur dressing specially.... don’t cross the limits of the local culture and traditions. More you look genius, more you get respecting eyes on you.

M i right guys??????

villagejoker we think everyone should have equal rights to come to the malls, but they must behave themselves - pretty simple.

Wait a second, we're complaining here about how laborers plus other dudes stare and lech for women, and then we complain about how these same bachelors aren't allowed in during family days?

Double standards?

Someone please explain.

dragonfly - read comment above, a women wore abaya and got MORE men harrasing her!!!!

if you worry about that then ask ur gf to wear abaya and stop complaining about it.

Everybody is right everybody is wrong, it depend where you stand

Some creepy SOB's lurking the streets of Doha.

Usual. next time, maybe I'll set off that ear piecing alarm I have with me.. Howz about that.. think good idea.

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I have had situations where i have been followed in some shops and gave them a very stern look and eventually they stopped.

Another situation was where I was waiting to be picked up from the beauty salon and a man drove past me over 5 times to stare at me, pulling over to try to wave me over and parking to sit and stare some more. Once he saw my partner arrive to pick me up he was quick to get away from his vehicle so we could not find him.

Yea i hear so many stories about the people here stareing or googling one would say. Pretty f*cked they have no shame. And yea it is as though they have never seen a woman before.

But it can be scary sometimes. Once while I was in a mall alone, there was a man who stared at me as though he was about to devour a piece of meat, salivating. It's very irritating. And to think I did'nt wore a revealing clothes. Staring like you're admiring the beauty of the other person is okay, but staring like you're undressing her is another story.

Hey, how are you. we had a chat before . hiope you do remember that. did you manage to find a job?

Do keep in touch

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I was walking my dog just in front of my house at 3pm daylight. And between two trucks I saw a guy, pants down and masturbating. These people are sick here. And not animals, because animals are good, but these bastards should be thrown into acid.

It's true that had working hadn't killed anyone yet, but why to take risk?

Even the bloody women stare!! If there are men staring I just stare right back at 'em...they soon look away!

Really shocking to read MataHaris expreince,,, In Doha, daylight such things happenign ? Good that you made him run away

Chanel 129, I too believed like you. I recently took foreign ladies ( UK, Germany ) to City Center Applebbess. THe moment we walked in, 2-3 Qtaris waved hands to invite us to sit with them.. ( of course not me a typical looking Indian - but those foreign ladies )

Personally I dont think we shoulc complain , if someone looks other... even if it stares... we should understand the psycholgy of each nationalities, their lonely life when partne at back at home... They just look and satisfy !!!

Yes, it is offending..but waht to do ? shall we send him jail for this "offence".. Is it such big crime ?

And pluck out each and everyone's eyes untill people stop looking at your girlfriend. That should solve the problem or else there is no just no solution to this. If i were you i would just ignore..

You have generalised a bunch of nationalities.

I know all (almost all) men stairing at females irrespective of colour or nationality.

females are staring me most of the time, even though they are in Abayas but there eyes are on me, Why?

i like staring into space when ever a women is there in mini skirts tight t- shirts , white transparent pants ,

sorry girls , men do this every where in the world , some nationalities stare ,some do more than that , some are smart enough to stare with out getting noticed

Proper dressing can redcue the number of people staring at you , but never its going to stop completelty

a truth is a truth even if it hurts

it is beacuse they are un educated and uncultured. Tell your girlfirend to buy some pepper spray. when they do that when she is alone, spray it in their face. they won't do it again. If you are around when it happens you need to start to bang heads together. i know i would. fucking animals!

Some people stare. They don't just stare at your girlfriend, they stare at everyone. i have dudes stare at me, ESPECIALLY when I wear my pink thong! I'm like "Guys, wtf... haven't you seen a dude in one of these before?"

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I generally noticed especially in shopping malls, people stare each other as if they are my relatives.

The best way to ignore this gestures and be it to YOURSELF and go ahead.

RE Aries etc.

I did not see the guy licking his lips, i was driving, my partner started shouting, and then she told me the guy had licked his lips while looking directly at her. I then looked out the side window and saw him following. I was incensed.

I know the west isn't perfect but you can choose if you wish to expose yourself to it. If you go to a pub or bar then thats the par for the course, but you shouldn't have to put up with it in normal daily life.

Men will always be men and u know it, it happens everywhere but I think its a bit worse in here.. Just dont mind them cos the more u show that you're getting irritated the more they will insist..

Advice for girls... show them that u are respectable.. and be careful all the time ;)

Happened to me in that park near defunct Ras-AlNassa (bye-bye shishaa *crying face*), maybe somehow I will learn the name of that park.

In January, one Saturday afternoon, was there with my daughter, for the playground. Not crowded at that time. While sitting and reading my newspaper I realized some movement near one tree..Surprise!!! A man with covered face, dressed in a grey thobe was "hand-rubbing" his "tool", luckily through his thobe...In the park..kids around, OMG!!! I pointed my cellphone towards him, to take a photo (hey, don't laugh...was my only solution at that moment..) He run away. For sure he's from that construction sites nearby so, he may surprise other women also...unfortunately!

Some don't just stare, they follow my car, if i am at the busy street, i stop and ask them what do they like and tell them, i am older than their Mom, and they give their numbers. Those staring sometimes i ask them, why are you staring, is there something unusual in me? or i say have you not seen one like me? And they bow their head down or going away...

"There's nothing we can do to change the past, if it teaches  you a lesson profit from it then, forget it."

BTW are you a gay?? why did you look at the lips of the guys walking by???? LOL ..

''she has very fair skin, dark hair.. '' ... Not sufficient enough to reason the stares.. more details and statis bleez..

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Lol, no wasn't licking there lips at me, i didn't even see it, was concentraing on driving (which takes a lot lol) I just found it a double standard as in the Marhaba book which im assuming was written by locals. Makes points not to stare.

Even when I am out shopping in Carrefour with my male friend, 2 Qatari young teens just knocked me from behind and looked at me provocatively from bottom to top, as though devouring every single bit of visual attraction, giving me a smirk smile and twinkling an eye. My goodness.. And they're just at most 15 yrs of age!

Qataris are most often gentle people who look on but do not outrage our modesty physically. But the foreign workers here are ALWAYS the ones who give us trouble. When these foreign workers outrage my modesty, I will scream at the top of my lungs to seek for help even when I am not alone. I want these workers out there to know that there are girls who MAY keep mum, but there are also girls who will go all out to redress their innocence and fight for help.

Girls, NEVER be afraid to fight for your own rights.

It's no extraordinary thing to be stared at...jst dont stare back as it might indicate something else. If U stare back the way they look at U,it connotes a different meaning to some...especially when you're walking in the road unaccompanied, cars will be following u like a pestering bee. Best way to ignore s 2 avoid eye to eye contact. Anyway, they wont get anything jst by mere staring.

clb112481, some people are a bit too friendly...

We all hate these stares, I couldn't believe how wide a guy's eyes were open.... (the woman in front of him was wearing white pants, and a red thong).

But even if you wear an Abaya, and hide your face, they will stare trying to have a glimpse of anything... there are sickos everywhere, but we have a bigger concentration here.

It's a little less after "family day" rules, and it would be even better if they set their filters a bit tighter.

clb112481, if you are roaming around Doha wearing the same type of outfit like in your avatar, don't be surprized then...

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People stare at me like I am from another planet..... I'm wondering when I will get used to it, it's like they've never seen a female before. But I have been told this is a very safe place to live, maybe people are just friendly : )

Roadtester, may be the guy “licked his lips” meaning YOU, not your GF?

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at least you guys get a feeling of how unpleasant it can be, so you'll be more aware of how you should behave in the presence of women.

It's not nice to feel like a piece of meat

for me.. it's ok to look but never dare to approach nor touch me.. :/

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yea right even men get stared at not just women.

folks dont forget there are gay lovers also and desperate gays

Even men get stared at.....Im Qatari and I tend to get stared at. These people come here and then they get hungry for sex, doesnt matter if your a man or a woman. If your good looking ( maybe if your not even) they'll look because they'll take what they can get lol

most men here r without there wifes or anygirl friend, so its normal to find them acting like this, they r from diff. nations so its normal to find them gazing at u, but no more, if u go to any other Gulf countries u will find it same, so try to get u to this bad habbit, my regards.

some should be happy, they wouldn't get the same attention home :-))

On a more serious note, I think it's a matter of attitude. When you are totally not interested you tend to get less looks and stares.

Just be indiferent.

Local ladies get stares more than the foreigners and if the lady's face is covered, well more interested stares as it's the mistery of what's behind the vail that intriques

at times during my first 3 years here. but i guess, walking confidently and acting like you're not new here anymore helped... and at times i pretend im calling someone like BF and they just go away...

when me and my bf were in a supermarket...one man wearing thobe keeps looking at us then he went near us...but surprisingly he asked for my bf's name, where he worked and more info about my bf.

well, we don't put any malice on it...we were just surprised esp. the way he looks at my bf.

"dgoodrebel will always be the rebellious good one"

I've got a lot of stares, too. They can't help it. It feels awkward to be stared at, but I learned how to ignore it later. Unless, they so something else.

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reason.

Actually Even worse is if somebody starts staring then gladeyeing YOU instead of your gf.

what I always keep in mind,with my yrs of stay in QAT

dont go alone. always take someone with you

wear decent clothes so as not to attract attentions

dont stare back. ignore and keep on going

call 999 and complain!

~ 200km/h in the Wrong Lane

they do, but there is nothing to stare at!

do they also do that with local women?

we are here in a lot of ignorant people,just be cool!

even when walking on the street you get honked at by passing cars or even worse a bus... i dont get why they act like they've never seen a woman when they came from one. really irritating...but here all they can do is look...laws are supposedly in place for harrasment, in bahrain before you know it they've touched you already.

happens all the time.. it's like they haven't seen a woman for ages.. really annoying but what can we do, they never learn.. :/

I never get stared at, even though I look exactly like Renee Zellweger

but with glasses

and short hair

oh yeah, and a beard

Trust me, your girlfriend is not the only one.

I too have the same problem and tend not to go anywhere where I know I will get stared at on my own, I always go with my husband. Just to be on the safe side.