I don't think u can give ANYTHING back....but lets not do any more shall we???? The only country on earth that is "Ever Expanding" is Israel!!???
Mind u I do believe Israel has the right to exist as a sovereign nation....I do believe that it's an advanced nation today and they have the right to enjoy peaceful living....But I also think the "where" and "how" were gravely mishandled when the country as formed
OK so no invasions from now on. But what do we do about previous invasions? Do the Arabs give back what was taken in the Conquests, do the Scots hand back Scotland to the Picts, do the Angles and Saxons hand back Britain to the Britons, does Istanbul go back to the Christians? Perhaps the Franks can return to Eastern Europe and give back France to the Romans who can give it back to the Gauls. And lets not forget the 350 million Americans who would need to go back to Europe, Asian and Africa. If the Palestinian case is accepted, what about all the other cases that can be made?
I agree that invasions are terrible; I also sympathize greatly with the Palestinians who are being massacred and essentially imprisoned (just as I do with the Israeli civilians being killed by the rockets). But I also agree with britexpat that pretending Israel does not exist is getting anyone anywhere. The U.S. and the main Arab countries have an obligation to the innocent people involved to compel the Israelis and Palestinians to make a lasting peace and enforce it.
I'm truly saddened that now a days...invading and taking over ppl by force is considered normal and "acceptable" just as long as u have the right weapons or the right friends....makes me wonder if humanity still exists
The fact that California doesnt belong to Mexico anymore or that Japan was nearly obliterated shouldnt be something humans boast about and think is "normal" its wrong and will stay wrong forever its not reality cuz its wrong and only the wrong doers can accept it and put their heads on a pillow and sleep peacefully!!!!
Such bully mentality shouldnt be tolerated by "humans"
Ice maiden- exactly - Singapore & Gaza are nearly the same size and singapore is thriving, booming and moving on to greater heights while GAZA is booming too but with
the sound of rockets and missiles. I suppose they have choosen to live their life that way and in doing so are taking their people down the same road
"Invader that is ever expanding"......read history for God's sake.
Any land that is invaded the victor is allowed to keep. But inspite of that Israel returned the Sinai Peninsula in a peace treaty with Egypt.
They gave bck Gaza to the Palestinians in hopes of peace, with a proper planned infrastructure in place, 20 milllion woth of greenhouses for agriculture, water and sewage treatment facilities. What did Hamas do, instead of upkeep they destroyed what was there. And then use it as a base to launch rockets.
As for the pictures ....only dead women & children. What kind of a mother will accept the body of her dead child being displayed to the whole world? That child is not a statistic to be used for propaganda. What happened to respect for the dead?
What kind of mother will accept her child to aspire to be a suicide bomber-I see photos of kids hardly even 8 years with the Quran in one hand, a gun in the other. I find that sick and revolting.
Kids must never be taught hate. They must be taught to reject the culture of death thay are brain washed into. It is OK to DIE for a cause, but we have no right to take the life of another innocent human being. I look upon such action with contempt. Only cowards are driven to suicide bombing. They don't have the nerve to fight like a man and die.
Children must be taught to love the gift of life that God has granted us, that no matter how bad the circumstances they can still be productive human beings.
What I find ironic is ....They can bring in rockets to Gaza that cost more than 1 million a piece, but they can't find a way to improve the lives of the people who live there.
For me the people with the most to blame are the US and the Arab States, who could step in and force negotiations, but they don't. For whatever reason, the people with the power to stop things (because for Israel & Palestine, I think its too late for them to stop on their own) are sitting out and letting them kill each other.
People of other countries have also suffered like the Palestinians are doing now.America was created by taking over land from the native American tribes. California which belonged to Mexico is part of the US now. The sub continent was split into India, Pakistan & Bangladesh. Japan was nearly obliterated by the Atom bombs. These people faced pain,death & destruction. I am sure the Japanese must have felt anger & hatred and the thirst for revenge. But do you see them lobbying bombs across the border or suicide bombing. Hard as it was they faced reality ,picked up the broken pieces and focussed on the task of rebuilding.
Singapore& Gaza are nearly the same size and just as densely populated. Singapore is thriving, but Gaza.....not so.
In my opinion, let the Israel exist and let the Palestinians live as well. Israel should have borders as it had pre 1967 and all its allies tell them enough is enough!
Where are those "brave" leaders who said they would defend their land till the last breath? I assume they must be covering in their bunkers. After all their life is oh so precious than that of the general Palestinian population.Lob a few rockets across the border, and Leave the innocent population to face the barrage.
When Haniyeh's brother-in-law had health issues, he was all too willing to get him treated by top notch Israeli doctors,but the common Palestinian man must "resist".
Gaza will stop burning when the Palestinian people realise their leaders are only using them as pawns in a deadly game. And the so called Arab brothers are not going to help.
This has gone on long enough, now it's upto the people to decide. Do they want peace for their children, so do they want this cycle of violence to repeat endlessly.
It's also a recognized member of the United Nations. The world is full of nations that not all people involved recognized or wanted at first, especially if one considers all the countries that emerged after the fall of the European empires. Qatar is one of those countries, as India, Germany, and the United States and bunch of others.
Pretending something doesn't exist will not make it go away, especially when it has nuclear weapons and a history of military success over its neighbors.
Because Israel exists. Qatar , Tunisia and Egypt have recognised its existence. The USA is its biggest ally. It unofficially has over 300 nuclear warheads at its disposal and the best equiped armed forces in the region.
What I'm saying is why is every taking the state of Israel to be a Fact?...I feel like if this scenario repeats itself somewhere else 999 times out of a 1000, nobody would accept it....its strange rgardless of whether its going away or not thats not the issue
One must always ask the essential questions....WHY THERE? WHY NOW? AND WHO'S BEHIND IT? And thats the point of the rigtful owners discussion....if all elements, historically, politically, financially, geographically etc etc etc all point to a certain outcome and the opposite happened...one must wonder
The argument about land rights of Palestinians and Israelis has been going on for as long as I can remember.
What people here don't realise is that Israel exists and is going nowhere. Many Arab governments have recogised it as a sovereign state and have dealings with it.
Yet, people on QL keep going on about the same old arguments.
Time to accept the facts and work together to help the Palestinians
And if, brit, the Second Law of Thermodynamic tells us that everything will crumble anyway. Why don't they just live together and have a drink as long as they can?
In some Bibles its spelled Fillistines with an F so I believe that its a name....btw it also means money grabbers....many stories refer to them as local tribes like the story of samson who supposedly killed a 1000 of them with the jaw bone of a donkey and 500 or 600 " i forgot how many" with his bare hands....i believe that happened before 1200bc
Super Cool, if you refer to the Bible, I refer to Ramses II records of the year 1200 BC. It says there that people coming from the sea occupied Gaza. The Egyptians called them 'Phillistine" = 'Invaders'.
I never mentioned the word "Arabs" I never said anything about the land belonging to Arabs...I said it belonged to "Palestinians"
If u go back in history u'll find that in that very same area and pre-dating Jesus himself were some of the original settlers of that land...called the Phillistines according to the bible, I personally recall a reference in Genesis 10 amongs other references. Those phillistines amongs other tribes and many many immigrants over thousands of yrs form the "locals of the land" regardless of what they used to worship, regardless of what they worship today, regardless of whether they r now mixed with Arab blood or simply just use Arabic as a mother tongue, and regardless of who invaded them and when....they r amongs the "locals of the land"
The fact that they were rules by Arabs, or Ottomans or Brits or Israelies, or any other entity of power doesnt change that they r locals of the land who have known no other land, they r not immigrants who migrated to it for personal gain.
Having said that and recalling as u said that the British have at some point controlled it, and like any other country which fell under the British rule, once independent, was handed over to the locals...., the GCC countries, India, u name it all of them had a transfer of power over to the locals.....I repeat the locals, not the Arabs, not the Muslims, not the Jews, not the Christians, the only condition for independence was that it was handed over to local rule....did that happen in this land...NO....yet the UN recognized it as such!!!
Now these phillistines who actually come in several religious backgrounds and several races were awaiting that decision at the time, they didnt care who ruled them, as long as they ruled themselves...the locals....instead the land was handed over to holocaust and wwII syrvivors who were basically immigrants!!! The land itself had Jewish phillistines....it was not handed over to local jews, no it was handed over to immigrants.....And it was purely "as stated at the time" to solve the on-going problem of all these immigrants travelling all over Europe and being a burden on their governments who had to offer a helping hand but couldnt or didnt want to spend the money....so then the Land "whatever u wanna call it" became "indepndent" and simply handed over to immigrants who never even lived on that land!!! Some have never even set a foot in there!!!
Thus out of all the groups fighting for power in that land now....the locals....the phillistines r coming dead last!!! And the immigrants who were not locals r in power today
Something is messed up in that arrangement if u ask me!!!
What makes the Palestinians think it's THEIR land? What makes the Israelis think it's THEIR land? It simply isn't. I repeat myself: both peoples INVADED the land of the Canaanites! It belongs neither to the Israelis nor to the Palestinians. But, I also know, that military power creates possessions. But they are not legal in any way. However, such possessions have to be defended with military power. It's a vicious circle.
SC: No, they did NOT, because the land didn't belong to the Arabs, nor to the Jews, but to the British, and before that was part of the Ottoman Empire. As far as history in concerned, there has never been an independent state of 'Palestine.
I think doha estate has a point there : The reason why Israel is chilling Gaza, is because Hamas and it's factions won't stop firing rockets at it. "Because Hamas is for the very first time targeting the Israeli capital, it means the movement is insisting on moving forward against the Israelis to the bitter end.
We all know for a fact that they'll keep shooting rockets as long as they feel like their land was taken away and that their country is occupied
Did their land not get taken from them??? If the UN decided one day that starting today Mexico will belong to Native Americans and will be called Cherokee do u think Mexicans will not become the most hostile ppl on earth??? Especially if they noticed everybody backing up the UN's decision for some strange reason
Not justifying the rockets, I'm just saying that if ur gonna go into a cause and effect analysis, go to the source, not half way up the ladder and stop cuz the rockets r a result of an even earlier cause
Sorry that wasn't very constructive..You probably have brains already..
You can never really be pro one thing...nothing is absolutely right, at least these days...everything is at least a little bit tainted. But you can start by looking at the numbers..and even those can be manipulated.
And if you're too lazy to find out the facts for yourself, just keep an open mind and avoid assumptions.
Flying Ace - Well we had a guy on QL a few days back who said his boss will cancel his visa, not give him a NOC and on the top of that the boss will make cases against him etc, etc.... well it looks like when someone has the upper hand and things stacked in his favour then they dont tend to listen to reason and sense becomes nonsense like in GAZA
MN, Then it's Irrelevant Who Started the Conflict, Both Sides are Acting in Self Defense, & in return Innocent Civilians Majority of them in GAZA are being Man Slaughtered...
Israel Violated 65 UN Resolutions & No Country in the World has the GUTS to Stop Israel from Committing Genocide, While IRAQ Violated 2 UN Resolutions & Was Attacked....
I have been witnessing the same cyclic events and listening to the same rhetoric from both sides for many many years.
The time is right for the bloodshed to end with a compromise that suits both sides. The Palestinians have to realise that Israel will always exist and the Israelis have to accept the rights of the Palestinians.
Sitting across the table will never work for a very simple reason.
Palestinians truly believe that their Land for some reason was just taken away from them and giving to someone else, who is now consider as an occupier...."doesn't matter who and regardless of the reason" and there's NOTHING u can do to make them happy again short of giving them their country back....until that happens they will remain hostile forever cuz they feel like they were robbed and everybody is helping the robber!!!!
Israeli's truly believe that it's their ancestors Land, and that the UN declared a Jewish state in the land of Palestine by Partition Plan 181 on Nov. 29, 1947 because holocaust survivors’ migrations were becoming an increasingly big problem for the rest of Europe. As such they believe they r the rightful owners and everybody who wants to live on that Land has to be under their control and governance, so they'll never be happy with Palestinians who do not recognize their government or their occupation
What I can tell u is that this all started in 1947....until u undo what was done back then, the problem will never ever EVERRRRRRRR go away!!!!!
Where are all those brave guys who made all those loud and threatening speeches. They are nowhere to be seen now and certainly in hiding somewhere while innocent people, women and children get caught up in this tragedy. Why dont they sit at the negotiation table with the help of friendly countries and get their things sorted out and move on to a more peaceful existance for their people
If Paleastine & Israel sit together across a table, How can the weapons developed in the other part of the world can be sold. The god father of all wars in the world will never allow the pet israel to sit.
My heart goes out to all those innocents caught in the line of fire, and having to endure much pain, loss and hardship. No one would ever wish to live or even die this way..
I have no pity for Palestine or Israel. When both these countries are digging their own graves for such a long long time, how can anybody help them from not getting buried in that grave. Remember God helps those who help themselves. Why are they waiting for pity or support from any other country? They can sit together across a table & resolve their issues one to one. And if they love their children enough, ultimately that's what they will have to do. And I am especially against those people who use foreign aid for creating nuisance in their own country. They think they will become rich by launching offensive against Israel & then accept citizenship of some safe & rich nation & they will leave rest of the Palestine at mercy of Israel.......nonsense people.
Well who started the fire. Instead of learning from their previous mistakes they want to start the trouble and then except to get pity from the rest of the world. If only they knew the world has got fed up with their on again off again drama
A new UN charter wouldn't change anything. The fact is that it is meaningless and powerless unless the powerful nations agree to back the resolutions. It's designed to provide a forum for complaining, not fixing real problems.
agree with britexpat. No side is blameless in war; both are killing. And those that are dying aren't soldiers, but innocent civilians.
Actually all the so-called big peoples are worried about themselves,and awaiting their turn, 1st Iraq, then Afghanistan, then Libya then Syria, now Palestine, there are more to come.
only Israel has the right to live. rest all its neighbouring countries are Terrorist.
long live Islam and Long live we divided Muslims..
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I agree with super cool. Time accept the realities of the current situation and move forward.
you are wrong. Qatar denounced,protested and support Palestine, exhorted the world to action... Long live Qatar Emir Sheikh Hamad Bin Khalifa
I don't think u can give ANYTHING back....but lets not do any more shall we???? The only country on earth that is "Ever Expanding" is Israel!!???
Mind u I do believe Israel has the right to exist as a sovereign nation....I do believe that it's an advanced nation today and they have the right to enjoy peaceful living....But I also think the "where" and "how" were gravely mishandled when the country as formed
And let's not forget we need to give earth back to Eve and Adam.
Well. Said Bachus, what's done is done.
OK so no invasions from now on. But what do we do about previous invasions? Do the Arabs give back what was taken in the Conquests, do the Scots hand back Scotland to the Picts, do the Angles and Saxons hand back Britain to the Britons, does Istanbul go back to the Christians? Perhaps the Franks can return to Eastern Europe and give back France to the Romans who can give it back to the Gauls. And lets not forget the 350 million Americans who would need to go back to Europe, Asian and Africa. If the Palestinian case is accepted, what about all the other cases that can be made?
I agree that invasions are terrible; I also sympathize greatly with the Palestinians who are being massacred and essentially imprisoned (just as I do with the Israeli civilians being killed by the rockets). But I also agree with britexpat that pretending Israel does not exist is getting anyone anywhere. The U.S. and the main Arab countries have an obligation to the innocent people involved to compel the Israelis and Palestinians to make a lasting peace and enforce it.
OK. Invasion is not allowed, but can we provide arms to friends so that they can take over on our behalf ?
@SuperCool tell that to the Palestinians and Israelis AND the rest of the world.
What about Qatar & Tunisia ??!!!!
NOBODY IS SUPPOSED TO INVADE ANYONE....CLEAR ENOUGH?
Super cool--so when exactly was it that conquerors didn't keep what they took?
And I don't get your examples? By your logic California was owned by the Native Americans, not Mexico, who took the land in a rebellion from Spain.
Japan is a good example of a country NOT keeping what it conquered.
SuperCool it just seems you purposely keep missing the point here.
I'm truly saddened that now a days...invading and taking over ppl by force is considered normal and "acceptable" just as long as u have the right weapons or the right friends....makes me wonder if humanity still exists
The fact that California doesnt belong to Mexico anymore or that Japan was nearly obliterated shouldnt be something humans boast about and think is "normal" its wrong and will stay wrong forever its not reality cuz its wrong and only the wrong doers can accept it and put their heads on a pillow and sleep peacefully!!!!
Such bully mentality shouldnt be tolerated by "humans"
Ice maiden- exactly - Singapore & Gaza are nearly the same size and singapore is thriving, booming and moving on to greater heights while GAZA is booming too but with
the sound of rockets and missiles. I suppose they have choosen to live their life that way and in doing so are taking their people down the same road
Super video, Mimi!
...historically incorrect but still amusing!
LOL Brit. I did notice that. ;)
you will also notice that the British did not kill anyone :O)
Love this:
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"Invader that is ever expanding"......read history for God's sake.
Any land that is invaded the victor is allowed to keep. But inspite of that Israel returned the Sinai Peninsula in a peace treaty with Egypt.
They gave bck Gaza to the Palestinians in hopes of peace, with a proper planned infrastructure in place, 20 milllion woth of greenhouses for agriculture, water and sewage treatment facilities. What did Hamas do, instead of upkeep they destroyed what was there. And then use it as a base to launch rockets.
As for the pictures ....only dead women & children. What kind of a mother will accept the body of her dead child being displayed to the whole world? That child is not a statistic to be used for propaganda. What happened to respect for the dead?
What kind of mother will accept her child to aspire to be a suicide bomber-I see photos of kids hardly even 8 years with the Quran in one hand, a gun in the other. I find that sick and revolting.
Kids must never be taught hate. They must be taught to reject the culture of death thay are brain washed into. It is OK to DIE for a cause, but we have no right to take the life of another innocent human being. I look upon such action with contempt. Only cowards are driven to suicide bombing. They don't have the nerve to fight like a man and die.
Children must be taught to love the gift of life that God has granted us, that no matter how bad the circumstances they can still be productive human beings.
What I find ironic is ....They can bring in rockets to Gaza that cost more than 1 million a piece, but they can't find a way to improve the lives of the people who live there.
http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/an-open-letter-to-khalil-from-gaza/
Have to agree with Brit to.
For me the people with the most to blame are the US and the Arab States, who could step in and force negotiations, but they don't. For whatever reason, the people with the power to stop things (because for Israel & Palestine, I think its too late for them to stop on their own) are sitting out and letting them kill each other.
People of other countries have also suffered like the Palestinians are doing now.America was created by taking over land from the native American tribes. California which belonged to Mexico is part of the US now. The sub continent was split into India, Pakistan & Bangladesh. Japan was nearly obliterated by the Atom bombs. These people faced pain,death & destruction. I am sure the Japanese must have felt anger & hatred and the thirst for revenge. But do you see them lobbying bombs across the border or suicide bombing. Hard as it was they faced reality ,picked up the broken pieces and focussed on the task of rebuilding.
Singapore& Gaza are nearly the same size and just as densely populated. Singapore is thriving, but Gaza.....not so.
As brit said, have been listening to the same rhetoric from both sides for many many years. Not as many years as him but still many many years..
Slightly simplistic view.
hatred is bred through indoctrination, but also by witnessing the destruction and death around them..
Both sides are to blame and need to take a new approach to long term peace.
I have one question for all the people who are in favor of talk with Israel.
How can you talk to an invader who is ever expanding and no plans to stop?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_settlement_timeline
In my opinion, let the Israel exist and let the Palestinians live as well. Israel should have borders as it had pre 1967 and all its allies tell them enough is enough!
Ice Maiden : I couldn't have said it better!
Where are those "brave" leaders who said they would defend their land till the last breath? I assume they must be covering in their bunkers. After all their life is oh so precious than that of the general Palestinian population.Lob a few rockets across the border, and Leave the innocent population to face the barrage.
When Haniyeh's brother-in-law had health issues, he was all too willing to get him treated by top notch Israeli doctors,but the common Palestinian man must "resist".
Gaza will stop burning when the Palestinian people realise their leaders are only using them as pawns in a deadly game. And the so called Arab brothers are not going to help.
This has gone on long enough, now it's upto the people to decide. Do they want peace for their children, so do they want this cycle of violence to repeat endlessly.
and it was usually the absent Arab landlords who actually sold the land.
SC: Because Palestinians sold their land before 1948.
Once again I present my question
Why Here? Why Now?
It's also a recognized member of the United Nations. The world is full of nations that not all people involved recognized or wanted at first, especially if one considers all the countries that emerged after the fall of the European empires. Qatar is one of those countries, as India, Germany, and the United States and bunch of others.
Pretending something doesn't exist will not make it go away, especially when it has nuclear weapons and a history of military success over its neighbors.
Because Israel exists. Qatar , Tunisia and Egypt have recognised its existence. The USA is its biggest ally. It unofficially has over 300 nuclear warheads at its disposal and the best equiped armed forces in the region.
@ Brit
What I'm saying is why is every taking the state of Israel to be a Fact?...I feel like if this scenario repeats itself somewhere else 999 times out of a 1000, nobody would accept it....its strange rgardless of whether its going away or not thats not the issue
One must always ask the essential questions....WHY THERE? WHY NOW? AND WHO'S BEHIND IT? And thats the point of the rigtful owners discussion....if all elements, historically, politically, financially, geographically etc etc etc all point to a certain outcome and the opposite happened...one must wonder
brit, i believe nobody.. this is my point of view.. and it was kind of joke too.. :)
Don't believe all the hype. They also said the same of the Patriots, till proved otherwise a few years later ..
Yes, good point Brit.
they have to test their Iron Dome's.. and hey it works perfectly! impressive, I'd say..
Facts are always viewed as sarcasm by many .
And a lot of people are not smart enought to know what even the thermodynamics laws are!
The argument about land rights of Palestinians and Israelis has been going on for as long as I can remember.
What people here don't realise is that Israel exists and is going nowhere. Many Arab governments have recogised it as a sovereign state and have dealings with it.
Yet, people on QL keep going on about the same old arguments.
Time to accept the facts and work together to help the Palestinians
And if, brit, the Second Law of Thermodynamic tells us that everything will crumble anyway. Why don't they just live together and have a drink as long as they can?
Why is that, brit? Did you buy some "stolen" land from someone and built a house on it?
History lessons from the bible........that's like taking hair care advices from s bald guy lol.
@brit well I guess no matter what you say,they still going to debate about it.
I cannot believe that arguments about "ownership" still go on.
@ Spock
In some Bibles its spelled Fillistines with an F so I believe that its a name....btw it also means money grabbers....many stories refer to them as local tribes like the story of samson who supposedly killed a 1000 of them with the jaw bone of a donkey and 500 or 600 " i forgot how many" with his bare hands....i believe that happened before 1200bc
Super Cool, if you refer to the Bible, I refer to Ramses II records of the year 1200 BC. It says there that people coming from the sea occupied Gaza. The Egyptians called them 'Phillistine" = 'Invaders'.
Good point spock. We are all living in conquered lands one way or another.
@ MN
I never mentioned the word "Arabs" I never said anything about the land belonging to Arabs...I said it belonged to "Palestinians"
If u go back in history u'll find that in that very same area and pre-dating Jesus himself were some of the original settlers of that land...called the Phillistines according to the bible, I personally recall a reference in Genesis 10 amongs other references. Those phillistines amongs other tribes and many many immigrants over thousands of yrs form the "locals of the land" regardless of what they used to worship, regardless of what they worship today, regardless of whether they r now mixed with Arab blood or simply just use Arabic as a mother tongue, and regardless of who invaded them and when....they r amongs the "locals of the land"
The fact that they were rules by Arabs, or Ottomans or Brits or Israelies, or any other entity of power doesnt change that they r locals of the land who have known no other land, they r not immigrants who migrated to it for personal gain.
Having said that and recalling as u said that the British have at some point controlled it, and like any other country which fell under the British rule, once independent, was handed over to the locals...., the GCC countries, India, u name it all of them had a transfer of power over to the locals.....I repeat the locals, not the Arabs, not the Muslims, not the Jews, not the Christians, the only condition for independence was that it was handed over to local rule....did that happen in this land...NO....yet the UN recognized it as such!!!
Now these phillistines who actually come in several religious backgrounds and several races were awaiting that decision at the time, they didnt care who ruled them, as long as they ruled themselves...the locals....instead the land was handed over to holocaust and wwII syrvivors who were basically immigrants!!! The land itself had Jewish phillistines....it was not handed over to local jews, no it was handed over to immigrants.....And it was purely "as stated at the time" to solve the on-going problem of all these immigrants travelling all over Europe and being a burden on their governments who had to offer a helping hand but couldnt or didnt want to spend the money....so then the Land "whatever u wanna call it" became "indepndent" and simply handed over to immigrants who never even lived on that land!!! Some have never even set a foot in there!!!
Thus out of all the groups fighting for power in that land now....the locals....the phillistines r coming dead last!!! And the immigrants who were not locals r in power today
Something is messed up in that arrangement if u ask me!!!
To the victor the spoils. As has been for thousands of years.
Spock: Very well said.
What makes the Palestinians think it's THEIR land? What makes the Israelis think it's THEIR land? It simply isn't. I repeat myself: both peoples INVADED the land of the Canaanites! It belongs neither to the Israelis nor to the Palestinians. But, I also know, that military power creates possessions. But they are not legal in any way. However, such possessions have to be defended with military power. It's a vicious circle.
SC: No, they did NOT, because the land didn't belong to the Arabs, nor to the Jews, but to the British, and before that was part of the Ottoman Empire. As far as history in concerned, there has never been an independent state of 'Palestine.
I think doha estate has a point there : The reason why Israel is chilling Gaza, is because Hamas and it's factions won't stop firing rockets at it. "Because Hamas is for the very first time targeting the Israeli capital, it means the movement is insisting on moving forward against the Israelis to the bitter end.
@ Doha estate
We all know for a fact that they'll keep shooting rockets as long as they feel like their land was taken away and that their country is occupied
Did their land not get taken from them??? If the UN decided one day that starting today Mexico will belong to Native Americans and will be called Cherokee do u think Mexicans will not become the most hostile ppl on earth??? Especially if they noticed everybody backing up the UN's decision for some strange reason
Not justifying the rockets, I'm just saying that if ur gonna go into a cause and effect analysis, go to the source, not half way up the ladder and stop cuz the rockets r a result of an even earlier cause
Sorry that wasn't very constructive..You probably have brains already..
You can never really be pro one thing...nothing is absolutely right, at least these days...everything is at least a little bit tainted. But you can start by looking at the numbers..and even those can be manipulated.
And if you're too lazy to find out the facts for yourself, just keep an open mind and avoid assumptions.
Stop watching TV and you might grow brains (in response to STOP shooting rockets at Israel and they will stop defending itself.)
Poor Franklin would be turning in his grave :O(
“I ask you to judge me by the enemies I have made.”
If only it was that simple..
STOP shooting rockets at Israel and they will stop defending itself. Game Over
An old Russian proverb says: When guns speak the muses keep silent!
Flying Ace - Well we had a guy on QL a few days back who said his boss will cancel his visa, not give him a NOC and on the top of that the boss will make cases against him etc, etc.... well it looks like when someone has the upper hand and things stacked in his favour then they dont tend to listen to reason and sense becomes nonsense like in GAZA
MN, Then it's Irrelevant Who Started the Conflict, Both Sides are Acting in Self Defense, & in return Innocent Civilians Majority of them in GAZA are being Man Slaughtered...
The simple fact is that we need to move on from the "old ways'. Israel is too powerful and has too many allies to give in to the old demands.
The world must also be made to see the full extent of the suffering of the Palestinians , especially in Gaza.
Egypt and Turkey can exert some influence on both sides to move things forward.
FlyingAce: It's an act of self defense.
Israel Violated 65 UN Resolutions & No Country in the World has the GUTS to Stop Israel from Committing Genocide, While IRAQ Violated 2 UN Resolutions & Was Attacked....
Why this Discrimination???
Brit: It won't stop until the The Armageddon .
I have been witnessing the same cyclic events and listening to the same rhetoric from both sides for many many years.
The time is right for the bloodshed to end with a compromise that suits both sides. The Palestinians have to realise that Israel will always exist and the Israelis have to accept the rights of the Palestinians.
UkEngQatar : shame on humanity who just look on!
Shame on their Arab Brethren who just look on!
Well they believe God promised them the land, as laid out in the book of genesis - Genesis 15:18-21
@ Good Old Joe
Sitting across the table will never work for a very simple reason.
Palestinians truly believe that their Land for some reason was just taken away from them and giving to someone else, who is now consider as an occupier...."doesn't matter who and regardless of the reason" and there's NOTHING u can do to make them happy again short of giving them their country back....until that happens they will remain hostile forever cuz they feel like they were robbed and everybody is helping the robber!!!!
Israeli's truly believe that it's their ancestors Land, and that the UN declared a Jewish state in the land of Palestine by Partition Plan 181 on Nov. 29, 1947 because holocaust survivors’ migrations were becoming an increasingly big problem for the rest of Europe. As such they believe they r the rightful owners and everybody who wants to live on that Land has to be under their control and governance, so they'll never be happy with Palestinians who do not recognize their government or their occupation
What I can tell u is that this all started in 1947....until u undo what was done back then, the problem will never ever EVERRRRRRRR go away!!!!!
This fight began in the year 1.200 BC when Israelis (Jews) and Palestinians (from the Eastern Mediterranean) INVADED the land of the Canaanites!
Where are all those brave guys who made all those loud and threatening speeches. They are nowhere to be seen now and certainly in hiding somewhere while innocent people, women and children get caught up in this tragedy. Why dont they sit at the negotiation table with the help of friendly countries and get their things sorted out and move on to a more peaceful existance for their people
If Paleastine & Israel sit together across a table, How can the weapons developed in the other part of the world can be sold. The god father of all wars in the world will never allow the pet israel to sit.
My heart goes out to all those innocents caught in the line of fire, and having to endure much pain, loss and hardship. No one would ever wish to live or even die this way..
I have no pity for Palestine or Israel. When both these countries are digging their own graves for such a long long time, how can anybody help them from not getting buried in that grave. Remember God helps those who help themselves. Why are they waiting for pity or support from any other country? They can sit together across a table & resolve their issues one to one. And if they love their children enough, ultimately that's what they will have to do. And I am especially against those people who use foreign aid for creating nuisance in their own country. They think they will become rich by launching offensive against Israel & then accept citizenship of some safe & rich nation & they will leave rest of the Palestine at mercy of Israel.......nonsense people.
Good Old Joe.Bro its not such a short simple story.Google your way through,Whats happening now might make sense to you, atleast know why its ongoin
Well who started the fire. Instead of learning from their previous mistakes they want to start the trouble and then except to get pity from the rest of the world. If only they knew the world has got fed up with their on again off again drama
A new UN charter wouldn't change anything. The fact is that it is meaningless and powerless unless the powerful nations agree to back the resolutions. It's designed to provide a forum for complaining, not fixing real problems.
agree with britexpat. No side is blameless in war; both are killing. And those that are dying aren't soldiers, but innocent civilians.
Why is the UN not democratic. Veto powers of the Five permanent members should be scrapped and a new UN charter is the order of the day.
Actually all the so-called big peoples are worried about themselves,and awaiting their turn, 1st Iraq, then Afghanistan, then Libya then Syria, now Palestine, there are more to come.
only Israel has the right to live. rest all its neighbouring countries are Terrorist.
long live Islam and Long live we divided Muslims..
Both sides are to blame and the innocents are dying. Infrastructure is destroyed and people suffer.
Sad, but how many times have we seen this happen..
Like i always say, UN is a Puppet... Calls are being Called by the USA, IF UN had the Power, it would have Stopped Israel from Committing Genocide...
except Egypt no others raised voice/support against this mass killing.. where is the other 95Islamic/Arab countries?
There was voices and campaigns for Malala... where is UN and others??
THERE'S ALWAYS NO GOOD IN WAR!
Very sad indeed. Why is it that the idiots firing rockets and the idiots dropping bombs are not the ones who ever seem to die?