Je ne entendre pas!!

You're right UKengQatar about your statement "I think Muslim in West are becoming more Fundamentalist (I didn't say extremist) than their forefathers"

In fact i was in paris many times and i was in the city center or near, i didn't see this concentration, but ofcourse if you go to barbes or in some other places , there is a concentration of hijabi girls that is growing in my sens not because girls are coming back to fontamentalist islam, the problem is known by french gov and is very different from what's happening in the UK or the US.

The french muslim population (boys and girls who are born and schooled in french schools there) are living in big confusion: in France , they try to belong to a community to be " protected" , we all know that the integration process in French has failed and continue to fail..so these youngs are really lost: in France , they can not find a job because of their names, they are french but considered as non french, and in the origin country they are not considered as full citizen by their fellow citizen because they are barely speaking the language or they have different habits, behaviors and attitude....and that put them again in the "fOREIGNER" case... i've been in many europeen countries and this situation exist more in France, Brussels and Holland....

More Hijab in the second generation (we are talking here about % ) is a sign of the high activity of religious groups, they are finding more and more space, no competition...

The same situation exists in the muslim countries, no work, no future, young muslim people have a lot of free/empty time et less hope ...so they turn to fondamentalist islam where groups are very active ...

the Gay bandwagon is on a role. The C of E is voting for gay Bishops. So, like you, I agree that the law will be passed. But at least they voiced their opposition.

and their right to protest against their laws! In any case will these protests work? I mean will the protesters meet their objectives? Will they achieve anything? In truth I think not considering they are a minority. I guess then what matters to them is that they make themselves heard...which they did!

Silence of the lambs. Trouser suit. Dead giveaway :O)

Was watching the Film Taxi driver the other day! She played the Teenage Pros.... Young and innocent face!

Nah Jodie Foster is Gay.. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

Are you now putting a spanner in the works ?

Some people are sooooo not just missing a screw....

They miss the whole damn TOOLBOX!!!!

Ah, yes, so I do, :P

Merci.

You know me too well :O)

France is a beautiful country...there are an awful lot of French people though..;)

Brit, this one is for you :P

I did Brit. I love how it was called the "worst kept secret in Hollywood" LOL.

Was this post about Gay Marriage ?

Did anyone hear Jodie foster's "coming out" speech ?

They have equal rights, as long as they have their citizenship, but the fact is the parents were from another culture, and brought many of their cultural traits with them. These cultures are often very different than the one they find themselves living in. Which creates a feeling in the children that they don't belong anywhere.

There too French for Morocco, but to Moroccon for France. Where do they turn to fit in?

Religion. It welcomes anyone willing to comply to its rules.

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Anyways. No need to argue.

One has to see things for themselves to make better judgements.

MM I think their parents very much more compromising than this generation, asking for equal rights in the Land of the FREE.

So just coz some of ‘em choose to live the Islamic way, so they are fuddies now? Jeez!

I agree UK. I think it has something to do with the rising nationalism and conservatism in much of Europe as well. They feel like they don't belong and therefore turn to religion for comfort and purpose.

Frenchies may be in Paris suburbs but central Paris I would say just like any other European city!

Brit Hyde Park is what I call inundated with Abaya's..:) Especially in the summer months, young girls in the skimpy dress and mini skirts with tank tops and hot pants side by side walking with Abaya Clad women..:)

When was the last time you went to Paris as this phenomenon is relatively recent.

"Paris is now being nicknamed "hijab city" as it's being inundated by young hijabis."

have been to Paris numerous times. Yes, there are hijabis. But "inundated". I doubt that.

BTW, this situation is also true in the UK but more so in France.

Yes, Ukeng. Now someone's talking sense.

This is what I've been trying to say from the beginning!

Doesn't matter who their parents were. These young Muslims were born, raised and schooled in France. Their parents are oftentimes non-practicing Muslims. But there is a noticeable reversion of the French Mulsim youth towards the true practices of Islam.

Take it or not, this is the case.

After all, I come from there and you don't. I see things from inside and you're seeing things from outside.

Are you purposely being obtuse?

I think Muslim in West are becoming more Fundamentalist (I didn't say extremist) than their forefathers!

Ok, I think you're missing my point. Do the parents of these second generation Muslims come from former French colonies in Africa like Tunisia and Morocco?

Frenchies: So are women in high heels, miniskirts, and tight jeans.

Bottom line is live and let live.

No, there are not immigrants otherwise Sarcozi would be one too as he was born to immigrant parents.

Would second generation immigrants still not be immigrants? I mean, there parents would have come from Tunisia, Morrocco, etc.

Mimi, no you're wrong here.

Many French women converts are among the hijabis found in Paris. Also many of them are from the second generation of immigrants, born and raised in France.

There is a noticeable reversion of the French youth towards Islam.

It's all about expression happy. There's no point in beating around bushes. Better to call spades spades.

Spot on MM , most of the migration came from the ex colonies be it UK or France or Netherlands!

Tell us something we don't know.

Of course, hijab is found everywhere in the world but some places have a much higher concentration of hijab than others.

In the city I come from and most of the other French cities for example, hijab is not common whereas in Paris hijab is absolutely everywhere.

MM...who would understand it better than you that two wrongs do not make a right..:)

Forgive me if I'm wrong, but I was under the impression that many former French colonies in Africa are primarily Muslim, and this is where the majority of immigrants would come from, and of course they'd be attracted to Paris.

Same as why there's some many Indians and Pakistani's in the UK.

Hejab is everywhere in the world

I believe I've been called lots of names on this site happy. So I don't know where you're getting that others don't have the right to express themselves.

Yep, others freedom of expression comes within inverted commas and if they do not follow then they get name called...amazing. But in reverse they do not have the right to name call, cos then they are again considered from stone age. Funny people in this world which is getting funnier by the day.

What's this obsession with percentages?

It doesn't need percentages, just go there and you will see for yourself.

In Paris, hijab is absolutely EVERYWHERE! Everywhere you look, there is hijab.

But as I told you, this is particular to Paris.

What percentage of the total Parisian population is "Hijabi" ?

You're right UKEng! Paris is now being nicknamed "hijab city" as it's being inundated by young hijabis.

In Paris, hijabis are all over the place, I am telling you.

But the situation is verrrrrrrrry different in other French cities nicknamed "where in the world are the hijabis cities!?" like the one I come from.

Their free to express themselves to the cows come home, and I'm free to think what I'd like about them.

lol...while on one hand right to freedom of expression is being fought for, on the other people expressing something different are considered living in stone age. So basically it is 'right to freedom of expression' within inverted commas...great.

Of course it is Brit. But make no mistake, they are the minority.

I agree with you. It will happen. However, it is right that even the "minority" are allowed to voice their opinion.

Please. These people are a drop in a stone age bucket. France will have gay marriage soon enough.

When I heard this, felt nice that people in west also prefer living the natural way else on QL it is altogether a different story.

MM France is also home to the biggest Muslim population in the Western Europe!

Catholic in name only. The bulk of the French population is either atheist, agnostic or not bothered about God.

France has a HUGE Catholic population MN.

Besides, there was lot of pink in the banners and blarcards held by masses protesting at the Eiffel, for being against same sex marriage. confusing France :P

We are all against something. The good thing is that the people were allowed their right to exercise an opinion.

I didn't think anyone in France was against anything, especially gay marriage. wonder what Freud would have made of the choice of location though!

They were not all "religious". There was a mix including religious and conservative.

It is. But that doesn't mean religious people can't protest.

religious groups have to intervene with everything which is personal!

i though sex, religion all these were personal! i like it that way atleast!