Hell yeah that should be an experience of a lifetime...
Speaking about these, where is our dear Beautiful_Facts...gone off on a drive without us or what...LOL!!!
And hey whats the planning paaji on the Inland Sea bit...whats happening on that...dont you think 23rd May is too sooon for people to decide and confirm for the event...?
Well yes ofcourse but still man that looks so kool...I wonder how much that costs...one of that in life paaji, and life set...ofcourse not to forget a beautiful girl as well...(hey beautiful_facts, that was not aimed at you, just a statement only)...not that you arent invited..LOL!!!
Well duhhhh!!!! Girl, I was talking about the QLSG Dinner and Sheeesha last evening...I surely didnt see you cos you werent there girl...and I was presuming that you might turn up...LOL!!!
And yes, Dare to sit with DaRude...(and ME!!!, cant let DaRude have all the fun you see...) O Paaji you just have a slightly better car, wait till next year First Quarter, till I get my new new new one...Paaji BMW X6 whats the cost any idea...it looks so beautiful have you seen?
Hey I aint sharing anything with ya girl, no tickets, no food but then again, wouldn't mind to share the same car...for a DRIVE...LOL!!!
How are you today Beautiful...we didnt see you last night, so sad, I was expecting that you would turn up at dinner and sheesha last night...:(
And Tyazbeck, o man you have your priorities right, want the drive but dont want the tickets...clever...just show yourself in that candid camera speed cams...LOL!!!
I guess you picked the worst country to for a "long drive at high speed."
I mean get real. Where are the highways? and how safe are they for normal speeds anyway?
If I were you, I would speed in Germany on the Autobahn (have done it many times, safely). The distances are longer too. The scenery is definitely better than Qatar.
Digging it up? I know they had built a wall across it after the second or third hole and they have talked for years of the army taking the 18th fairway but digging it up?
What is the place coming too. It is Qatar's first golf course.
One of the longest drives recorded was on the Umm Saeed Golf course. If my memory serves me correctly it was in excess of 600 yards and there is a plate on the fairway (past the hole) recording it.
I presume, you people are not aware of Abusamra Highway, the one goes to Saudi Border, its all new with four lanes each side and 98 Kms streight with no traffic at all...
try that guys...
“Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power. We have guided missiles and misguided men.”
Doha to Dukhan now would be far more difficult than before... would take more time as a lot of diversion roads are on the ways to DUKHAN... so beware of the winding and deadly excavated diggings ...
one nice route would also be:
1>Doha - Al Khor - Shamal via coastal roads
2>then down to Doha back again thru NORTH ROAD...
3> head west down to SALWA road
4> turn left down to UM SAIEED
5> and head north back to AL WAKRA
6> enjoy the evening fun of your entire rides upon u reach DOHA....
Yeah I remember Wakra used to quite close by and Umsaid was kinda in between Doha and Dukhan.. and I think that was the farthest we went in my Dad's car although we used to go for picnics from church(not official)somewhere really far off. I remeber the place had a huge park...dont remember the name of the place though..
I dream of a better tomorrow where Chickens can cross the Road without having their motives questioned - Unknown
Oh Dweller, you would cry if you were here. They are digging up the GC. The die hards are still out beyond the gate at the moment but it's all due to be hacked up soon. Also, remember when you come in through the gate, down past shop and Mosque? All that lovely green grass, also been hacked up. Trees are also gone.
Long drives are fine and there are some intersting sights between Doha and Dukhan. The camel farm, Zikreet village and the nature reserve, not to mention the fantastic beaches. I am only talking to the people who want to race, speed and are worried about the radar cameras that are, after all, there to protect the rest of us.
Please do NOT come to Dukhan. It is dangerous enough for us already without people going out to deliberately speed. No offence, but you are not welcome. Just in case you do come, note the various car wrecks along the way. We have lost several precious members of our commiunity in recent times, we don't want to lose any more.
As far as I remember it used to take about 1 hr from Doha to Dukhan before and 15 mins from Doha to Wakra and half an hour from Doha to umsaid. I donno how it is now...
I dream of a better tomorrow where Chickens can cross the Road without having their motives questioned - Unknown
Well you want to drive at 60kmph outside Doha, you might as well dont drive girl...outside Doha roads are 120Kmph and its a Crime to go that slow...about 90 - 100 is a decent enough one...but 60 Christ girl, you are better off getting someone to push the car...LOL!!!!
The fines are too high in Qatar after they have revamped it, and yet again, now there is the Point system as well...so better watch out...and as for that Al Khor Road, well girl, that would end in about 30 mins after the Corniche and yes that road is very good but not long enough...Day Time you could take the road running parallel which is called the NORTH ROAD, mind you girl, DAY TIME, NIGHTS its real bad...no LIGHTS and a total screw up...North Road takes you right until the North Tip of Qatar...so thats a long one o yeah...
DaRude...yes I did get it...and I m still thinking...you know there could be something else...;)
and BF: Ofcourse, I actually noticed that you like driving, and you like your car, thats why I put it, WE DRIVE along with you and not you drive us...LOL!!!
i love driving. and i love my car. i hope i will not be caught in cameras (not becasue i am not photogenic :p ) becasue i am not sure about exact locations of them.
and it also reminds me a joke. my friend told me while a long drive:
policeman:why u r driving at 200+ speed?
driver: coz its ferrari.
No amount of experimentation can ever prove me right; a single experiment can prove me wrong - Albert Einstein
Come on paaji, anything that I tell you try to implement and then put that work and the blame on me...I was just kidding...hell no...but wait a min...we could do this paaji...
One of the Fridays...
How about this...we meet at a point, drive for about 1 or 2 hours, then get to a common point with some shade, then have a mix of all kinds of breakfast (NO CATERING, PEOPLE BRING WHAT THEY WANT), and then we drive again, we get to a common point after say 3 hours (Time for LUNCH, This Time Catering), and then we drive for another 2 hours and when its time for Snacks, we end up at one of the beaches (WAKRAH) and gather for a QL Photo Session and some nice and hot BBQ...
But at one condition, BEautiful_facts needs to be driving in My Car...LOL!!!
Ok seriously I know Driving can be a lot of fun, paaji we used to have this Drive in India, Bangalore -> Hyderabad for freaking 14 hours...and I tell ya stopping at the good locations, 10 mins photo session, break, ciggies, the other stuff and all the way music with friends is a lot lot lot lot lot lot FUN...and I think we need to get that alive here...
Maybe I dont know how this would work but hopefully in due course of time, maybe QLSG DRIVE TO DUBAI...sounds exciting it will be even more...LOL!!!
7 hours my azz...you are about 30 mins different from me thats all...dont show offf infront of Beautiful Facts and then take her for a drive ok...if she is coming, we BOTH ARE GOING...DEAL>???LOL!!!
And yes I see ya Dawg, thats a pretty long long trip...christ in that time, in teh flight ofcourse I can reach Bombay...or Delhi...LOL!!!
Long drive event through out Qatar. and on Friday wonder how many will join. i tell you totall round from Golf Club to Khor to Fuwirit to shamal to zubara to Ghuwriya to Jamiliya to Dukhan to umbab to salwa road to umseed to wakra takes about 4 hours for me and 7 hours for a driver like you
I know there have been other bigger drives, but this one was supposed to be small, but freaking it ended up so big and we actually made a circle of Qatar didnt we...?
And all the while it was you who was flying on the damn roads and not driving, thank god I took my dad's car that day otherwise I would have had my car give up on you and me that day...LOL!!!
there's road to SHAMAL as well.. nice long roads.. try going out for Al-Khor... i wanted to drive there over the weekend but my mommy over-whelmed me with house tasks :'(
DARude, you remember the damn trip you made us take....got our azzes up early in the morning and then we drove all over Qatar from one end to the other in search of a good fishing spot and then in the FU**ING End, ended up right at the beach in front of my house, in Wakrah...LOL!!! Now that was indeed a long drive...LOL!!!
And beautiful_Facts: No girl, no fences here in Qatar...trust me, there aint no fences, so keep an eye out alright...and hey you can always count on me and DaRude to give you company...on the drive...just in case you get bored...LOL!!!
Just going from Doha to Shahniya its about 25km 2 cams on that road.
when you get to the end on that road take right turn that will take you to otaibiya something on that road keep driving for about 25km more at end it turns left drive for 15km you get to the end of the road there is left turn to Jamiliya and right to ghauriya take left turn.(you will find a big transformer there) keep driving down to jamiliya about 20km when you reach jamiliya you will see a sports club with flood lights go that way and at end you will see muncipality office take left there drive down for 25km more. the road ends on Dukhan high way take right drive about 20km to dukhan. when you get to dukhan look for sign board Umbab just follow that its about 25km from there. when you get on umbab road keep driving for about 50km down to salwa road. you will end up on a bridge with salwa high way beneath it. turn left get on salwa road and drive back 70km to Doha.
Calculate how many Kilometers you covered in how many hours.
Way to Dukhan is highly not adviseble at this time...there is a lot lot lot of construction going on...so thats why we say Dukhan is not for a long pleasing drive...
Whichever you go, long drives becareful while driving fast, that there are a lot many Camels on these roads...so keep a quick check on your brakes and the speed of the car...
And yes DaRude, Shahaniya is the one we went right...or yes there is also one paaji, whats that north tip of Doha...about 90Kms from here...
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now you made me laugh too. seems you have a good observation learn.n.earn
No amount of experimentation can ever prove me right; a single experiment can prove me wrong - Albert Einstein
your signature says very "different" than your previous message..."very dangerous - how sad" .... and at the bottom you sign it with "no-fear"... lolz
no offensive..ok?
IF YOU ARE THROUGH CHANGING, YOU ARE THROUGH.
havent gone on a drive to dukhan, but you people say its dangerous....how sad...
cheers
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I am Everready any time paji darude
If we delay it more the weather will become more hot and humid
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i dont think you need more information as there is enough to cover in a week or month.
my opinion about going for long drives is, stay in limit. no need to go fast, more than you can handle.
and try to go with some of your friend whom you feel good with, it will help.
forget the other guys.
enjoy your drive.
IF YOU ARE THROUGH CHANGING, YOU ARE THROUGH.
from 16may it got delayed to 23 and from 23 it will get more ahead i think.
and about friday what time can you come i can visit any time am depending all on ur time.
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Hell yeah that should be an experience of a lifetime...
Speaking about these, where is our dear Beautiful_Facts...gone off on a drive without us or what...LOL!!!
And hey whats the planning paaji on the Inland Sea bit...whats happening on that...dont you think 23rd May is too sooon for people to decide and confirm for the event...?
but am done with the roads now in Qatar. so am planning for Fj to damn the dunes now
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Well yes ofcourse but still man that looks so kool...I wonder how much that costs...one of that in life paaji, and life set...ofcourse not to forget a beautiful girl as well...(hey beautiful_facts, that was not aimed at you, just a statement only)...not that you arent invited..LOL!!!
dont go for the shape or brand
go for the speed and
stability while turning sharp left or right or roundabout.
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Well duhhhh!!!! Girl, I was talking about the QLSG Dinner and Sheeesha last evening...I surely didnt see you cos you werent there girl...and I was presuming that you might turn up...LOL!!!
And yes, Dare to sit with DaRude...(and ME!!!, cant let DaRude have all the fun you see...) O Paaji you just have a slightly better car, wait till next year First Quarter, till I get my new new new one...Paaji BMW X6 whats the cost any idea...it looks so beautiful have you seen?
i dare you to come and sit with me.
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how could you see me? you were not there when i was having dinner? and i dont think that you know where i had dinner last nite?
No amount of experimentation can ever prove me right; a single experiment can prove me wrong - Albert Einstein
Hey I aint sharing anything with ya girl, no tickets, no food but then again, wouldn't mind to share the same car...for a DRIVE...LOL!!!
How are you today Beautiful...we didnt see you last night, so sad, I was expecting that you would turn up at dinner and sheesha last night...:(
And Tyazbeck, o man you have your priorities right, want the drive but dont want the tickets...clever...just show yourself in that candid camera speed cams...LOL!!!
anyone else please :p
No amount of experimentation can ever prove me right; a single experiment can prove me wrong - Albert Einstein
m in
but we wont share radar tickets :P
about driving at 60 speed, i was just kidding (referring that there might be some police guy here at QL)
i think i have some options for long-fast drive now. anyone "dare" to sit beside me :p
No amount of experimentation can ever prove me right; a single experiment can prove me wrong - Albert Einstein
if you are too young,try to joine aeronautical school. get flying, there are no cameras. you can enjoy for a while then come back to home. dont mind
I guess you picked the worst country to for a "long drive at high speed."
I mean get real. Where are the highways? and how safe are they for normal speeds anyway?
If I were you, I would speed in Germany on the Autobahn (have done it many times, safely). The distances are longer too. The scenery is definitely better than Qatar.
I am envious. My contacts at DGC haven't mentioned this at all and they play almost daily.
Must drop them an interogatory line.......lol.
Thanks Jasmine.
They are going to build a new one. I can't remember the terminology but I think it is going to be grass. I will ask around and update you
Digging it up? I know they had built a wall across it after the second or third hole and they have talked for years of the army taking the 18th fairway but digging it up?
What is the place coming too. It is Qatar's first golf course.
One of the longest drives recorded was on the Umm Saeed Golf course. If my memory serves me correctly it was in excess of 600 yards and there is a plate on the fairway (past the hole) recording it.
I presume, you people are not aware of Abusamra Highway, the one goes to Saudi Border, its all new with four lanes each side and 98 Kms streight with no traffic at all...
try that guys...
“Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power. We have guided missiles and misguided men.”
Martin Luther King.
Doha to Dukhan now would be far more difficult than before... would take more time as a lot of diversion roads are on the ways to DUKHAN... so beware of the winding and deadly excavated diggings ...
one nice route would also be:
1>Doha - Al Khor - Shamal via coastal roads
2>then down to Doha back again thru NORTH ROAD...
3> head west down to SALWA road
4> turn left down to UM SAIEED
5> and head north back to AL WAKRA
6> enjoy the evening fun of your entire rides upon u reach DOHA....
worth a trip...
Yeah I remember Wakra used to quite close by and Umsaid was kinda in between Doha and Dukhan.. and I think that was the farthest we went in my Dad's car although we used to go for picnics from church(not official)somewhere really far off. I remeber the place had a huge park...dont remember the name of the place though..
I dream of a better tomorrow where Chickens can cross the Road without having their motives questioned - Unknown
someonenew, you are quite right, it takes almost exactly an hour. There is none of the original straight road left now, it is all diversion.
Ok Dweller I was a small kid and we were travelling as a family and it was a looooooooong time ago.
I dream of a better tomorrow where Chickens can cross the Road without having their motives questioned - Unknown
well ... whenever im in a mood to drive more then 210 or 220... i trust none other than Abusamra Highway...
there are 3 cameras but u can manage your speed coz maximum speed on the road is 120 and cameras are visible from far....
“Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power. We have guided missiles and misguided men.”
Martin Luther King.
Just go to wakra lol. Or Towards the Lousail circuit. It's not that far but long drives. By the way r u looking for a long drive or fast.
IF EVERYONE WAS TO TAKE AN EYE FOR AN EYE, THE WHOLE WORLD WOULD'VE BEEN BLIND TODAY - MAHATMA GANDHI
Oh Dweller, you would cry if you were here. They are digging up the GC. The die hards are still out beyond the gate at the moment but it's all due to be hacked up soon. Also, remember when you come in through the gate, down past shop and Mosque? All that lovely green grass, also been hacked up. Trees are also gone.
I got back in 28 mins once.
Dukhan GC to the Ramada.
Long drives are fine and there are some intersting sights between Doha and Dukhan. The camel farm, Zikreet village and the nature reserve, not to mention the fantastic beaches. I am only talking to the people who want to race, speed and are worried about the radar cameras that are, after all, there to protect the rest of us.
Besides the idea of a long drive is not to speed and enjoy the scenery. I wonder what scenery is there in Doha though.
I dream of a better tomorrow where Chickens can cross the Road without having their motives questioned - Unknown
its better not to
specially on highways
by the way if ur driving 60 why ur worried abt radars ??
Please do NOT come to Dukhan. It is dangerous enough for us already without people going out to deliberately speed. No offence, but you are not welcome. Just in case you do come, note the various car wrecks along the way. We have lost several precious members of our commiunity in recent times, we don't want to lose any more.
Hey Guys!
As far as I remember it used to take about 1 hr from Doha to Dukhan before and 15 mins from Doha to Wakra and half an hour from Doha to umsaid. I donno how it is now...
I dream of a better tomorrow where Chickens can cross the Road without having their motives questioned - Unknown
stay at home near ur papa n mama
coz now days accident rate r going very high
might u will not return
if married stay with ur wife
delete this crazy things
hope i answer the question
Well you want to drive at 60kmph outside Doha, you might as well dont drive girl...outside Doha roads are 120Kmph and its a Crime to go that slow...about 90 - 100 is a decent enough one...but 60 Christ girl, you are better off getting someone to push the car...LOL!!!!
who knows that some police guy is also a QL memeber here...so is not a fast drive...is only a long drive...lolz.
is it ok if i drive at 60 speed outside doha?
No amount of experimentation can ever prove me right; a single experiment can prove me wrong - Albert Einstein
i can assure m not a police spy on QL :P
Lolzzz
enjoy ur fast ride
The fines are too high in Qatar after they have revamped it, and yet again, now there is the Point system as well...so better watch out...and as for that Al Khor Road, well girl, that would end in about 30 mins after the Corniche and yes that road is very good but not long enough...Day Time you could take the road running parallel which is called the NORTH ROAD, mind you girl, DAY TIME, NIGHTS its real bad...no LIGHTS and a total screw up...North Road takes you right until the North Tip of Qatar...so thats a long one o yeah...
that is another option... and seems good too.
tyazbeck, thank you for you information...i hope it is correct and that ..you are not from police deptt. lolz
i came to know that fines are too high in doha... my mom will kill me for sure for any such thing. i escaped few times though lolz
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you guys must be crazy!
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DaRude...yes I did get it...and I m still thinking...you know there could be something else...;)
and BF: Ofcourse, I actually noticed that you like driving, and you like your car, thats why I put it, WE DRIVE along with you and not you drive us...LOL!!!
didnt you get my email for the BBQ night this friday?
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i love driving. and i love my car. i hope i will not be caught in cameras (not becasue i am not photogenic :p ) becasue i am not sure about exact locations of them.
and it also reminds me a joke. my friend told me while a long drive:
policeman:why u r driving at 200+ speed?
driver: coz its ferrari.
No amount of experimentation can ever prove me right; a single experiment can prove me wrong - Albert Einstein
if u need the best horrible drive then drive in industrial area from street 1 to 52...fantastic drive... but need 4x4...
Come on paaji, anything that I tell you try to implement and then put that work and the blame on me...I was just kidding...hell no...but wait a min...we could do this paaji...
One of the Fridays...
How about this...we meet at a point, drive for about 1 or 2 hours, then get to a common point with some shade, then have a mix of all kinds of breakfast (NO CATERING, PEOPLE BRING WHAT THEY WANT), and then we drive again, we get to a common point after say 3 hours (Time for LUNCH, This Time Catering), and then we drive for another 2 hours and when its time for Snacks, we end up at one of the beaches (WAKRAH) and gather for a QL Photo Session and some nice and hot BBQ...
Hows that...PAAJI...fantastic right...
i will send email for that to QLSG members
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im gonna give u an easy reference, use the signs next to highway, ones that indicates how many KM left to exit Highway:
Doha Al Khor:
1- 8Km (u have to take care the sign 7KM is missing ;) )
2- 18 Km (double sided)
3- 28 Km
before any radar u'll find 2 (120) speed limit on both sides of road
al Khor- Doha:
1- 31
2- 18 (double sided)
3- 8
But at one condition, BEautiful_facts needs to be driving in My Car...LOL!!!
Ok seriously I know Driving can be a lot of fun, paaji we used to have this Drive in India, Bangalore -> Hyderabad for freaking 14 hours...and I tell ya stopping at the good locations, 10 mins photo session, break, ciggies, the other stuff and all the way music with friends is a lot lot lot lot lot lot FUN...and I think we need to get that alive here...
Maybe I dont know how this would work but hopefully in due course of time, maybe QLSG DRIVE TO DUBAI...sounds exciting it will be even more...LOL!!!
believe me its alot of fun like driving for straight 4 hours no brakes no signal no round about no police and you have seen it empty roads.
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more the help and options, better the chances of a good drive. so please send the information you have. share it.
please!!
No amount of experimentation can ever prove me right; a single experiment can prove me wrong - Albert Einstein
7 hours my azz...you are about 30 mins different from me thats all...dont show offf infront of Beautiful Facts and then take her for a drive ok...if she is coming, we BOTH ARE GOING...DEAL>???LOL!!!
And yes I see ya Dawg, thats a pretty long long trip...christ in that time, in teh flight ofcourse I can reach Bombay...or Delhi...LOL!!!
Long drive event through out Qatar. and on Friday wonder how many will join. i tell you totall round from Golf Club to Khor to Fuwirit to shamal to zubara to Ghuwriya to Jamiliya to Dukhan to umbab to salwa road to umseed to wakra takes about 4 hours for me and 7 hours for a driver like you
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I know there have been other bigger drives, but this one was supposed to be small, but freaking it ended up so big and we actually made a circle of Qatar didnt we...?
And all the while it was you who was flying on the damn roads and not driving, thank god I took my dad's car that day otherwise I would have had my car give up on you and me that day...LOL!!!
if u need the exact locations of radars i can give them
there are other routes to shamal and no traffic on them at all you will just see 1 or 2 cars nothing more.
Khor road and shamal i dont like them
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drive all the way to al khor 3 cams each 10 KM the highway is abt 37 KM u can feel the speed and test ur car power
had long trips to fuwairit and Zubara and Umbab forgot that fishing day lol
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there's road to SHAMAL as well.. nice long roads.. try going out for Al-Khor... i wanted to drive there over the weekend but my mommy over-whelmed me with house tasks :'(
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DARude, you remember the damn trip you made us take....got our azzes up early in the morning and then we drove all over Qatar from one end to the other in search of a good fishing spot and then in the FU**ING End, ended up right at the beach in front of my house, in Wakrah...LOL!!! Now that was indeed a long drive...LOL!!!
And beautiful_Facts: No girl, no fences here in Qatar...trust me, there aint no fences, so keep an eye out alright...and hey you can always count on me and DaRude to give you company...on the drive...just in case you get bored...LOL!!!
you will only face police in Dukhan and there is no cam on any of those road. and the roads are perfect for racing.
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still under construction.
Just going from Doha to Shahniya its about 25km 2 cams on that road.
when you get to the end on that road take right turn that will take you to otaibiya something on that road keep driving for about 25km more at end it turns left drive for 15km you get to the end of the road there is left turn to Jamiliya and right to ghauriya take left turn.(you will find a big transformer there) keep driving down to jamiliya about 20km when you reach jamiliya you will see a sports club with flood lights go that way and at end you will see muncipality office take left there drive down for 25km more. the road ends on Dukhan high way take right drive about 20km to dukhan. when you get to dukhan look for sign board Umbab just follow that its about 25km from there. when you get on umbab road keep driving for about 50km down to salwa road. you will end up on a bridge with salwa high way beneath it. turn left get on salwa road and drive back 70km to Doha.
Calculate how many Kilometers you covered in how many hours.
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no offense...but no fence?
lolz
i thought roads are fenced for such animals?
No amount of experimentation can ever prove me right; a single experiment can prove me wrong - Albert Einstein
Way to Dukhan is highly not adviseble at this time...there is a lot lot lot of construction going on...so thats why we say Dukhan is not for a long pleasing drive...
Whichever you go, long drives becareful while driving fast, that there are a lot many Camels on these roads...so keep a quick check on your brakes and the speed of the car...
And yes DaRude, Shahaniya is the one we went right...or yes there is also one paaji, whats that north tip of Doha...about 90Kms from here...
one guy saying road is good, other saying, no it is not good? what about cameras there?
i will find it myself one day. but i think as a starter here, is good to have your help.
thanks
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always wanted to drive up there.
YOU DONT KNOW ME, DONT EVEN TRY !!!
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i heard this road name first time. please send the road map..thank you in advance
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not worth a drive
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well get on Shahniya road. till shahniya there are 2 cames and after ward go for miles there is no cam and empty road. you want the routes pm me
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