Easier said than lived with but patience pays...Lets pray to Allah that non should really be on this cross road for ones ownself and or for any other close family or friend... This is very very tough situtaion.....
nobody should forget we are only normal humans created by the almighty,and never try to attempt to do his job giver or taker of life.Pain and sufferring are a part of this life a boon given to us.
Actually it's easier said than done. Doctors told me in my dad's case that either you can choose a painless death for him now or you can try to keep him alive for 6 more painful months through all the treatments possible but he won 't make it. I obviously went with the treatment. Had to give it a shot.
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My mother died of a disease called Motor Neurone Disease. It affects every muscle in your body to the point that they cant eat, swallow, communicate or move bascially they end up in bed unable to do anything. Her brain was not affected so she had to suffer tremendous pain and be aware off all that was going on around her. It was the most upsetting experience of my life to see my mum suffer like that and when she could talk at the beginning all she wanted was to end her life in fear of what was to happening to her. If she could have ended her life she would have. People should have the choice if they are sound of mind and know what is to come.
It's a tough situation and really can only be judged on individual cases. My grandmother was 91 when they found out she had cancer throughout her body and when she said to do nothing but let her die at home, well that's what we did. We didn't do anything to speed the process but we didn't no anything to hinder it either and if she'd been in a great deal of pain and wanted to die we probably would have supported giving her a lethal injection of morphine.
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out there trying to rid the world of its poetry while getting it wrong fundamentally down at the church of "look,it sez right here, see!" Ani Difranco
So i am in the middle..its either a yes or a no... We were given free will..That differentiates us from the animals..The ability to decide.. For the better of course...
For what i understand is that the brain controls all the functions of the body..It controls ur body organs to breath..To touch,taste etc.. A coma i think is different from being brain dead.. A person in a coma is in a state of deep and usually prolonged unconsciousness..So theres a chance for the person to be aware and concious again.. hence a brain dead person has lost his brain functions IRREVERSIBLY.. And i dont think i ever heard of a brain transplant..Correct me if im wrong...
It happened to me that I suffered so much that I wished I died rather or at least fainted ...Luckily nobody killed me but I was operated -last minute ...
Then I was thinking a lot about that .People who ask for their death are suffering .I think we should search somehow to ease their pain and not to obey to their words ...
For me the stance remains the same, if Doctors tell me no chance of survival and the patient begs me that he no longer wants to live, I will pull the plug.
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rishimba, If mercy killing is correct, then all suicides should be legalized as well.
Xena, "DoNot Resuscitate" are situations where if any terminally ill patient collapse. then we doctors will not resuscitate him/her as per their wish which he had expressed when the person was in good state of mind. It is totally different from mercy killing as in DNR cases, we do not assist patient to die.
"It is better to be hated for what you are than being loved for what you are not."
i agree persons cant say or probably cant even think in a vegetative state...in that case, if the doc says no hope and we feel this is point of no return, its no point continuing and wasting resources.
on the other hand, if the patient says he had had enough and he cant bare the pain...one should listen to him.
only in the case, if the patient wants to live, we should not pull the plugs out.
well, thats my view...cos i have gone through this in my family..
orders.... unfortunately, if its an accident or something the like, its a bit difficult because that person didn't make provision... but for someone that knows they are going to possibly die, then they can sign documents that will instruct that they don't want to be kept on life support any longer...
I agree with those who said 'case by case' situation... You will know at the time what the right decision to be.
rishimba, how can a person in vegetative state convey whether he is in pain or not? Some people desire to live even in most painful conditions. Who are we to decide the fate of someone who isn't capable of expressing his wish?
"It is better to be hated for what you are than being loved for what you are not."
its no point letting your dear one languish in pain and being a vegetable for years together when all your efforts have not produced results..moreover, if the patient wants death..
Nier there are certain things in life no matter how hard it is, no matter how wrong it is for others point of view...We have to do it..I believe in God, I love God..But if you were in our situation during that time..You would understand..Man made these life support machines.. It was Gods plan if he wanted to take the person or give em another chance..But we are the ones who interfered.. Anyways i respect ur viewpoint...But everyone has that point in life where they would make a critical decision..Wether life treatening or not.. So you cant say no..The right answer is...It depends..I rest my case..:)
Is your being merciful higher than the mercy of the Almighty? If the Almighty don't end his / her life, why you want to interfere? Is your wisdom better than the wisdom of the Almighty?
Lucky for ur friend that was the case... For us a nerve burst inside their head resulting in blood clots in the brain... Functionality was zero percent.. How i wish the doctor could've said otherwise that time.. Oh well.. Life is a game of cards.. We'll never know what's just around the corner... Thank you for sharing...:)
My best friend's relatively young father (in his 50s) had a massive heart attack, which was followed by another one within a few hours. He flatlined five times and was put on life-support. He remained in a coma with no signs of coming out of it for at least six weeks.
My friend and her two brothers were beginning to talk about "pulling the plug" with the doctor because it was clear that he wasn't going to recover. One day they were in the room with him and the father woke up and asked for the Wall Street Journal. Just like that.
I had been on the phone with her every day for six weeks and knew the blow-by-blow, so I know it isn't a fictional friend-of-a-friend story. He literally woke up and was pretty much fine and, nine years later, still is.
I do support the right to die and want to agree with euthanasia, but my friend's experience totally changed my view on "pulling the plug". . maybe it didn't "change my view", but it did complicate my view. . .
Let's hope none of us never need to make the decision :(
Thanks FU.. These events were 3 years and 5 years ago though...life must move on as they say:)... Yeah i have a lot of relatives who are hypertensive but still insist on smokin, and drinkin and are red meat lovers.... Subtract exercise and there they go... That increased their chances of diseases leading to it..
... and is in so much suffering that he/she wants to die, I would pull the plug. But not if the person is unconscious and can't transmit to you how and if she/he feels anything.
It just sad that you had to go through this as the chance of a situation like this arising in one family would be one in millions. May god rest your relatives in peace.
Source:
- A study Conducted by FriedUnicorn - Vol I (September,1999)
Experienced it 2x already ... With my grandfather and uncle... Both were pronounced clinically dead or brain dead... So we had no choice before.. We let them live through the machine for 6 months and 1 year respectively... But their body started to show blood clots.. It was a painful experience and decision... But we did what we had to do..:)
So marie_2 was right then... Depends upon the case..:)... People voice out ur opinions.. Everyone is welcome to react... Except violent reactions... :p
"Maybe the happy ending is this, knowing after all the unreturned phonecalls, brokenhearts, through the blunders and misread signals, through the pain and embarrassment, you never gave up hope."
Heres a situation... A relative is supported by a machine... The doctor said there is a critical chance that he will survive... But its been 5 years already... And you are running out of resources to support him.... What would you do? Assuming ur very close to the person..:) this is just an example only:)
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Easier said than lived with but patience pays...Lets pray to Allah that non should really be on this cross road for ones ownself and or for any other close family or friend... This is very very tough situtaion.....
But still No Mercy killing would be my call.
Peace....
disapprove ... sana hindi na umabot sa ganun sitwasyon
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nobody should forget we are only normal humans created by the almighty,and never try to attempt to do his job giver or taker of life.Pain and sufferring are a part of this life a boon given to us.
BELIEVE AND WORSHIP THE CREATOR,NOT HIS CREATION.
BELIEVE AND WORSHIP THE CREATOR,NOT HIS CREATION.
Actually it's easier said than done. Doctors told me in my dad's case that either you can choose a painless death for him now or you can try to keep him alive for 6 more painful months through all the treatments possible but he won 't make it. I obviously went with the treatment. Had to give it a shot.
/\____/\___/\_______/\______________/\__ ____________________________________ You Lost Me!!
My mother died of a disease called Motor Neurone Disease. It affects every muscle in your body to the point that they cant eat, swallow, communicate or move bascially they end up in bed unable to do anything. Her brain was not affected so she had to suffer tremendous pain and be aware off all that was going on around her. It was the most upsetting experience of my life to see my mum suffer like that and when she could talk at the beginning all she wanted was to end her life in fear of what was to happening to her. If she could have ended her life she would have. People should have the choice if they are sound of mind and know what is to come.
It's a tough situation and really can only be judged on individual cases. My grandmother was 91 when they found out she had cancer throughout her body and when she said to do nothing but let her die at home, well that's what we did. We didn't do anything to speed the process but we didn't no anything to hinder it either and if she'd been in a great deal of pain and wanted to die we probably would have supported giving her a lethal injection of morphine.
literal people are scary, man, literal people scare me
out there trying to rid the world of its poetry while getting it wrong fundamentally down at the church of "look,it sez right here, see!" Ani Difranco
So i am in the middle..its either a yes or a no... We were given free will..That differentiates us from the animals..The ability to decide.. For the better of course...
For what i understand is that the brain controls all the functions of the body..It controls ur body organs to breath..To touch,taste etc.. A coma i think is different from being brain dead.. A person in a coma is in a state of deep and usually prolonged unconsciousness..So theres a chance for the person to be aware and concious again.. hence a brain dead person has lost his brain functions IRREVERSIBLY.. And i dont think i ever heard of a brain transplant..Correct me if im wrong...
i wish someone would put me out of my misery.
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Sorry to hear about that terrible loss .
It happened to me that I suffered so much that I wished I died rather or at least fainted ...Luckily nobody killed me but I was operated -last minute ...
Then I was thinking a lot about that .People who ask for their death are suffering .I think we should search somehow to ease their pain and not to obey to their words ...
For me the stance remains the same, if Doctors tell me no chance of survival and the patient begs me that he no longer wants to live, I will pull the plug.
/\____/\___/\_______/\______________/\__ ____________________________________ You Lost Me!!
i don't know...
i have lost a sibling who remained in a coma for a couple of days before passing away.. i would have done anything to keep her alive..
my answer would be, no.
"The more I see of the world the more am I dissatisfied with it." Jane Austen.
yes drmana, you can argue that...i feel there should be guidelines for mercy killing to be justified...
with the terrible experience i have gone through in my family, i feel mercy killing is right after a certain stage..
rishimba, If mercy killing is correct, then all suicides should be legalized as well.
Xena, "DoNot Resuscitate" are situations where if any terminally ill patient collapse. then we doctors will not resuscitate him/her as per their wish which he had expressed when the person was in good state of mind. It is totally different from mercy killing as in DNR cases, we do not assist patient to die.
"It is better to be hated for what you are than being loved for what you are not."
you got a point there drmana..
i agree persons cant say or probably cant even think in a vegetative state...in that case, if the doc says no hope and we feel this is point of no return, its no point continuing and wasting resources.
on the other hand, if the patient says he had had enough and he cant bare the pain...one should listen to him.
only in the case, if the patient wants to live, we should not pull the plugs out.
well, thats my view...cos i have gone through this in my family..
orders.... unfortunately, if its an accident or something the like, its a bit difficult because that person didn't make provision... but for someone that knows they are going to possibly die, then they can sign documents that will instruct that they don't want to be kept on life support any longer...
I agree with those who said 'case by case' situation... You will know at the time what the right decision to be.
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rishimba, how can a person in vegetative state convey whether he is in pain or not? Some people desire to live even in most painful conditions. Who are we to decide the fate of someone who isn't capable of expressing his wish?
"It is better to be hated for what you are than being loved for what you are not."
disagree with you..drmana
its no point letting your dear one languish in pain and being a vegetable for years together when all your efforts have not produced results..moreover, if the patient wants death..
Disapprove.......pull the plug only if you are capable of reversing the decision if situations change.
We cannot give life back to dead and hence should not ever decide whether one should live or die.
"It is better to be hated for what you are than being loved for what you are not."
Nier why have hospitals and Doctors, if Almighty wants a person to suffer, who are we to try and ease that pain?
Is our wisdom better than that of God Almighty?
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Nier there are certain things in life no matter how hard it is, no matter how wrong it is for others point of view...We have to do it..I believe in God, I love God..But if you were in our situation during that time..You would understand..Man made these life support machines.. It was Gods plan if he wanted to take the person or give em another chance..But we are the ones who interfered.. Anyways i respect ur viewpoint...But everyone has that point in life where they would make a critical decision..Wether life treatening or not.. So you cant say no..The right answer is...It depends..I rest my case..:)
Is your being merciful higher than the mercy of the Almighty? If the Almighty don't end his / her life, why you want to interfere? Is your wisdom better than the wisdom of the Almighty?
Lucky for ur friend that was the case... For us a nerve burst inside their head resulting in blood clots in the brain... Functionality was zero percent.. How i wish the doctor could've said otherwise that time.. Oh well.. Life is a game of cards.. We'll never know what's just around the corner... Thank you for sharing...:)
It's a tough call. . .
My best friend's relatively young father (in his 50s) had a massive heart attack, which was followed by another one within a few hours. He flatlined five times and was put on life-support. He remained in a coma with no signs of coming out of it for at least six weeks.
My friend and her two brothers were beginning to talk about "pulling the plug" with the doctor because it was clear that he wasn't going to recover. One day they were in the room with him and the father woke up and asked for the Wall Street Journal. Just like that.
I had been on the phone with her every day for six weeks and knew the blow-by-blow, so I know it isn't a fictional friend-of-a-friend story. He literally woke up and was pretty much fine and, nine years later, still is.
I do support the right to die and want to agree with euthanasia, but my friend's experience totally changed my view on "pulling the plug". . maybe it didn't "change my view", but it did complicate my view. . .
Let's hope none of us never need to make the decision :(
Thanks FU.. These events were 3 years and 5 years ago though...life must move on as they say:)... Yeah i have a lot of relatives who are hypertensive but still insist on smokin, and drinkin and are red meat lovers.... Subtract exercise and there they go... That increased their chances of diseases leading to it..
... and is in so much suffering that he/she wants to die, I would pull the plug. But not if the person is unconscious and can't transmit to you how and if she/he feels anything.
It just sad that you had to go through this as the chance of a situation like this arising in one family would be one in millions. May god rest your relatives in peace.
Source:
- A study Conducted by FriedUnicorn - Vol I (September,1999)
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Experienced it 2x already ... With my grandfather and uncle... Both were pronounced clinically dead or brain dead... So we had no choice before.. We let them live through the machine for 6 months and 1 year respectively... But their body started to show blood clots.. It was a painful experience and decision... But we did what we had to do..:)
you can not bear the pain seeing your love one suffering..but you can not sleep either because of guilt if you want them killed...
So marie_2 was right then... Depends upon the case..:)... People voice out ur opinions.. Everyone is welcome to react... Except violent reactions... :p
How did you get that from my answers, lol..
I approve if the doctors don't see any chance of survival and the patient is begging for death.
Ofcourse I won't kill anyone who wants to live and even doctors see a chance of survival.
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discussion and some serious thinking. TFS :)
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"Maybe the happy ending is this, knowing after all the unreturned phonecalls, brokenhearts, through the blunders and misread signals, through the pain and embarrassment, you never gave up hope."
So u disapprove then...:)... Sorry for makin u guys think... Its just brain exercise... Its good for us..:)
As long as the Doctors say there is a chance, I won't support pulling the plug.
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@WK even if its just aere 1 % chance? :)
Never if the person wants to live.
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Ok they are suffering and in great pain... But the person is enduring it and still wants to live.... Would u still pull the plug?;)
I will continue if Doctors say there is a chance he will survive.
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Heres a situation... A relative is supported by a machine... The doctor said there is a critical chance that he will survive... But its been 5 years already... And you are running out of resources to support him.... What would you do? Assuming ur very close to the person..:) this is just an example only:)
Approve...if they are suffering that much...
depends on the case
...listen to the sound of silence....
Approved.
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