virginity?

chingkay
By chingkay

this question is from my niece,she is asking how important  a virginiyt to a man,,,,,

just asking she is 14 yrs old just curiousSealed

By OrangKedah• 18 Apr 2008 23:22
OrangKedah

I remember reading this joke that said:  Confucius says "Virginity is like balloon.... one prick, all gone".

By Saudiresident• 17 Apr 2008 12:21
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Saudiresident

I am a vrgin every 6 months lol

COOL GUY

By glecs• 17 Apr 2008 03:15
glecs

you hit it, pykes! lol

By dragonfly212• 15 Apr 2008 15:35
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dragonfly212

there is a reason why the rich choose ferrari, they look for experience and stamina.

virgin. wweeeeeeeeeaaaaeeeeeekkkkk

Everybody is right Everybody is wrong, it depend where we stand.

By pykester• 15 Apr 2008 15:33
pykester

Virginity is not a dignity but a lack of opportunity...

 

:) 

 

 

pykester

 

By anonymous• 15 Apr 2008 15:04
anonymous

Did I read the 100 new posts on this thread before posting?  Sorry....no.  Some!

 

In Qatar, I hope there are more people who wait until after marriage (due to social pressure or personal morals).  In Canada, it's quite hopeless because there's no reason to wait (no social pressure and declining personal morals).  ACtually, it's fashionable and "brave" to do IT before marriage.  I just found out this week that my brother's girlfriend is pregnant with their baby.  Doesn't anybody marry anymore?  Am I too old-fashioned?

 

I hope I'm not hijacking this into a related discussion of waiting until marriage.  Was the original about the desirability of sleeping with a virgin.

By chingkay• 15 Apr 2008 07:26
chingkay

 blue rose i think no need to explain further hehehe to much will react but all know there is big difference,,,,,

By chingkay• 15 Apr 2008 07:23
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chingkay

 

glecs its funny

By glecs• 15 Apr 2008 02:16
glecs

neither would i sleep with a virgin guy. but how do we know? would a guy tell his date that he is still a virgin before they go to bed? would he say "be gentle girl, this is my first time" LOLz

By blueRoSe• 11 Apr 2008 11:11
blueRoSe

chingkay, now it's more complicated.  might need more explanations what constitute differences. coz as far as I know, physical changes comes with age. 

 

 

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By Cornellian• 11 Apr 2008 10:59
Cornellian

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By Gumby• 11 Apr 2008 10:54
Gumby

As a male, my two cents worth are the same as before-virginity is of zero, zip, and nada importance.  Confident, relaxed, and with a state playfulness in the sack-those are the qualities-and they're all in the mind, got nothing to do with biological functions.   Those qualities come with age and experience-which kind of works against virginity....Give me a confident and fun 40 year old over a 20 year old flat belly any day of the week.

By chingkay• 11 Apr 2008 08:20
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chingkay

 to blue rose its big difference between a real virgin and to the one who just undergo surgery.....

physical

chest

body structure

 

 

 

 

honesty is the best policy

By anonymous• 11 Apr 2008 08:16
anonymous

What is this going on ?

 

Live and let live...

By chingkay• 11 Apr 2008 04:17
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chingkay

 

 can share it in nice way i think....

 

 

 

 

honesty is the best policy

By blueRoSe• 11 Apr 2008 01:12
blueRoSe

Alexa, both don't know what they're doing (lol!) now I remember one funny story I once read so funny really but sorry can't tell you, am afraid i might be banned from QL heheheheh

 

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 God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference.

By fady.ferrari• 10 Apr 2008 13:07
fady.ferrari

 In Qatar is different life , i have been in Vienna , Slovakia , Dubai , Lebanon , Germany  , but damn this is the hardest place to get one lol cheers

By blueRoSe• 9 Apr 2008 22:43
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blueRoSe

how could a virgin man would know if he sleep with virgin woman, what if a woman has undergone "surgery".  just like the qatari man who divorced his wife after she had the surgery, for sure he was virgin when they get married for he was not able to differentiate between authentic virgin and just restored viriginity. 

 

[img_assist|nid=93009|title=wish|desc=|link=none|align=left|width=|height=0]" "God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference."

By QT• 9 Apr 2008 17:38
QT

You mean otherwise "YOU" would sleep outside your room!   LOL

By wmhizon• 9 Apr 2008 17:06
wmhizon

 

or else he will sleep outside our room... lol

 

 

"Even if  LOVE is full of thorns, embrace it. For in between those thorns there is a ROSE that's worth all the PAIN."

By wmhizon• 9 Apr 2008 17:06
wmhizon

 

virginity? Me? nope ... im already married! i will not let my husband just stare at me all night! lol

 

 

"Even if  LOVE is full of thorns, embrace it. For in between those thorns there is a ROSE that's worth all the PAIN."

By kakashi28• 9 Apr 2008 09:01
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kakashi28

 

 

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By Snowstorm• 9 Apr 2008 08:02
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Snowstorm

Good Morning QL

 

YOU DONT KNOW ME, DONT EVEN TRY !!!

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By smoke• 9 Apr 2008 07:17
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smoke

a wise old kitty once said "Virginity is not dignity its lack of opportunity"

 

 

_[]~SMoKE~[]_

 

By chingkay• 9 Apr 2008 07:02
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chingkay

 

 in ksa they are doing it for there husband {vaginouplasty} but i think its useless  sometimes husband wont appreciate it and take time to cure its  like they deliver the procedure take time than appendectomy

 

 

 

 

 

honesty is the best policy

By mariam-mar• 9 Apr 2008 05:41
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mariam-mar

I was surprised to read that these days there are still ladies and gentlemen roving around virgins at their age,,,, whatta? I don't believe  anyone at the age of 28 and abouve to be virgin...

 Virginity is lost only once you are used, not by riding a horse, or biking. 

 

"There's nothing we can do to change the past, if it teaches  you a lesson profit from it then, forget it."

By chingkay• 9 Apr 2008 05:09
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chingkay

 

 

 yes i believe virginity is nothing for now a days but still if can preserve it why not for the future partner

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

honesty is the best policy

By thexonic• 9 Apr 2008 02:04
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thexonic

To me its very important, I believe in all those stuff about the special girl and I wanna loose my viriginty after i get married :).

 

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By azilana7037• 9 Apr 2008 02:02
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azilana7037

No patience for them...huff and puff and they're gone/done?

Nahhh...thanks...but no thanks...

 

Virgin females? they have ____-plasty something to fix it. But I rather the normal way...exercise..lol

 

"No one can make you feel inferior without your consent" -Eleonor Roosevelt 

By KellysHeroes• 9 Apr 2008 01:10
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KellysHeroes

that's the question.

if the ladies avoid virgin males then they (males) should count on the inflatables to pop their cherry and have them qualified for normal encounters.

for males who prefer virgin females. there are special zippers with various sizes, colors and flavors

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By azilana7037• 8 Apr 2008 23:24
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azilana7037

what would his reaction be...a denial or a confirmation?...whatever

 

"No one can make you feel inferior without your consent" -Eleonor Roosevelt 

By QT• 8 Apr 2008 23:16
QT

We will wait and see!

By QT• 8 Apr 2008 23:12
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QT

I look forward to it!  

By azilana7037• 8 Apr 2008 23:09
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azilana7037

You could look up this thread: "VIRTUE OF CHASTITY (VIRGINITY), does it still exist?" http://www.qatarliving.com/node/15081

Hope this might help...

 

"No one can make you feel inferior without your consent" -Eleonor Roosevelt 

By QT• 8 Apr 2008 23:08
QT

Ok.  now you're just being mean to me!   LOL

By QT• 8 Apr 2008 23:05
QT

Ok, Ok.  I admit he's a little ... ... different!...

But you girls have met him and I haven't so I'll have to take your word for it!   LOL

By azilana7037• 8 Apr 2008 23:04
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azilana7037

We MEANT it to be...

Alexa is right...met the guy couple of times, spoke with him...but that's THAT.  

 

 

"No one can make you feel inferior without your consent" -Eleonor Roosevelt 

By QT• 8 Apr 2008 23:00
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QT

OK.  I'll re-word my last statement!

You girls are REALLY, REALLY mean!  

By azilana7037• 8 Apr 2008 22:56
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azilana7037

he still is, too...

 

"No one can make you feel inferior without your consent" -Eleonor Roosevelt 

By Oryx• 8 Apr 2008 22:54
Oryx

congratulations for popping your cherry......how much did you have to pay?

By QT• 8 Apr 2008 22:53
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QT

You girls are mean!  

By azilana7037• 8 Apr 2008 22:49
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azilana7037

he's also a self- confessed VIRGIN from the last time he told us last year in one of the topics i made...lol

 

"No one can make you feel inferior without your consent" -Eleonor Roosevelt 

By nadt• 8 Apr 2008 22:49
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nadt

If virginity is important to a man, then he should surely be one too....there shouldnt be double , like mullah knox

By Oryx• 8 Apr 2008 22:23
Oryx

sorry dont agree

best thing you can give your partner is true love

By owen• 8 Apr 2008 22:00
owen

hymen can't be restored.. but just the skin.. and the "bleeding" to them, there are countries who believe that when their wife bleeds during the first night..then she is qualified a virgin (but now..lol, no one would believe that anymore)... 

 

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By anonymous• 8 Apr 2008 22:00
anonymous

I wish I was still a virgin, I could have a bloody lie in in the morning!

By Greeker• 8 Apr 2008 21:59
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Greeker

But i really cannot say that i am hating it...

I agree to what Lovinni said before me, virginity is just a state of mind!

In today's world, if i were to find my soulmate who told me she was not a virgin, i would say... "to hell with it. I am virgin enough for the both of us..."

hehe, did I make any sense?

By anonymous• 8 Apr 2008 21:58
anonymous

anyway, one can feel like a 'virgin' with daily pelvic floor exercises...it works!

By anonymous• 8 Apr 2008 21:56
anonymous

mmm if you are talking about replacing the hymen, I'm fully aware (Being an ex midwife in the middle east) its a load of rubbish as I'm sure ladies who ride bikes or horses regularly will tell you and certain sanitaryware these days removes the hymen...some women never have one....

By King Edshel• 8 Apr 2008 21:56
King Edshel

they can't restore it back to the original state, but it works with some to anything happening that night ...

 

Do not dwell in the past, do not dream of the future, concentrate the mind on the present moment. (Gautama Buddha)

By King Edshel• 8 Apr 2008 21:54
King Edshel

being virgin again :) that is what they do ... One of them after 5 or 6 years of marriage wanted to joke with her husband or surprise him in their anniversary so guess what? She want to a doctor and asked him to make her a virgin again ...

The poor husband did not understand what happened that night and divorced her :( Guess he thought that she did the same before he marry her ...

 

Do not dwell in the past, do not dream of the future, concentrate the mind on the present moment. (Gautama Buddha)

By owen• 8 Apr 2008 21:53
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owen

supernurse, their some surgery like stiching IT back to make it feel that they are virgin on the first night.. you can research about it.. :) 

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By anonymous• 8 Apr 2008 21:50
Rating: 4/5
anonymous

King Edshel  'fix' what again?

By sameh-id• 8 Apr 2008 21:48
sameh-id

Why not ???????????????????????????????????? :(:(:(:(

(~._~) i am vigin  :(

By King Edshel• 8 Apr 2008 21:48
King Edshel

that much to me as virginity is not always the right scale ... A lot these days would do whatever they want to do and before getting married she will go for a surgery to fix it again [talking about Arabic Societies] ...

We are just in a hard time these days where you will need more than a virgin man or woman to tell ... how good or bad they might be ...

 

One more thing, if i like a divorced lady or fall in love with one ... should i give up the idea marrying her because she is not a virgin anymore?

 

Do not dwell in the past, do not dream of the future, concentrate the mind on the present moment. (Gautama Buddha)

By anonymous• 8 Apr 2008 21:40
anonymous

Virginity is the best gift that you can give to your husband....

By anonymous• 8 Apr 2008 21:39
anonymous

If only I had charged CQM, I would be living a life of luxury...just me and my syphillis...aahh if only

By coolquietman• 8 Apr 2008 21:37
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coolquietman

with all those bakers,,,you must have made a lot of dough

just yanking your chain dear.....but i do note the point  and i appreciate the analogy... got to go now...see you all later

do it right - the first time!

By anonymous• 8 Apr 2008 21:32
anonymous

because I am an ex professional communal bike, meaning I had been ridden by many....like when bakers deliver bread in a basket at the front of the bike, it twas many bakers that rode it...same thing with me...cept it wasn't just the baker......

By irrysa• 8 Apr 2008 21:32
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irrysa

virgin...naa, pass! don't have that patience...

 

about guys, one of my friends gave a cool response to this Q. he said "i want my wife to be a virgin, so that she would not have me compared to anybody else"

 well, at least he was honest!

 

 

If you're looking for a problem, you're probably gonna find one.

By coolquietman• 8 Apr 2008 21:28
Rating: 4/5
coolquietman

how come....?one just ponders...

do it right - the first time!

By chingkay• 8 Apr 2008 21:25
Rating: 4/5
chingkay

honesty is the best policy

By owen• 8 Apr 2008 21:25
Rating: 4/5
owen

and actually there were several (similar) topics about this before...(but now with different opinions from before)... you guys can search if you got nothing much to do... :)

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By anonymous• 8 Apr 2008 21:23
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anonymous

see.....i knows these things...

By QT• 8 Apr 2008 21:22
QT

LOL.   Well, why not?

All the threads seem to run off at a tangent anyway!   LOL

By coolquietman• 8 Apr 2008 21:21
Rating: 5/5
coolquietman

you got that right

hole s the goal...lol (pun intended) 

do it right - the first time!

By owen• 8 Apr 2008 21:18
Rating: 2/5
owen

what to do QT.. few men tried asking this question.. so might as well..lol 

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By anonymous• 8 Apr 2008 21:17
anonymous

oh shyte yeah!All the women were answering the question!That won't do!Lets delete all the ladies replies and see how many men have replied.....they will all say the same.....Any Holes A Goal...nuff said..

By QT• 8 Apr 2008 21:17
QT

I think what ChingKay is trying to ask is, "Is a girl's virginity important to a man!?!"

By chingkay• 8 Apr 2008 21:16
Rating: 5/5
chingkay

 guyz i let my niece read all comments tomorow

 

 

 

honesty is the best policy

By coolquietman• 8 Apr 2008 21:14
coolquietman

hey ....this question (topic) is to a man

how come all the ladies are jumping in here to answer....?

guess we have to start a seperate thread now... lol

well...in any case to me it doesnt matter if its v....or not...lol 

do it right - the first time!

By owen• 8 Apr 2008 21:10
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owen

are we (ladies) allowed to answer this or ONLY MAN?.. as everyone stated here..hehehehe.. i will not as well sleep with a Virgin man... don't want us looking each other.. oooooh, how awkward would that be..

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By anonymous• 8 Apr 2008 21:07
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anonymous

Whats that then? Drinking Earl Grey at any opportunity? Like behind closed doors where no one can see?

By QT• 8 Apr 2008 21:05
Rating: 5/5
QT

You called?   I'm a virgin and I'm proud to abstained from that filthy habit you English do!     (...ahem...)

By anonymous• 8 Apr 2008 21:05
Rating: 4/5
anonymous

yes and I prefer the middle to last but one the best, its my favourite one,bless it....

By anonymous• 8 Apr 2008 21:03
anonymous

mean tooty fruity family

Live and let live...

By anonymous• 8 Apr 2008 21:01
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anonymous

oh dear caprcorian I've failed miserably....I was even on first name terms with the staff at the STI clinic...not all bad though I've got 6 lovely kids by 7 different fathers...

By anonymous• 8 Apr 2008 20:58
anonymous

dont be painful for others... set your standrard high

 

Live and let live...

By anonymous• 8 Apr 2008 20:57
Rating: 5/5
anonymous

who would want to be a bloody virgin anyway...its great fun trying to work out who could be the father!!

By Vegas• 8 Apr 2008 20:56
Vegas

You can't teach experience...

By anonymous• 8 Apr 2008 20:49
anonymous

good man,

 

Dont expect virgn but accept virgin

 

Live and let live...

By Snowstorm• 8 Apr 2008 20:45
Rating: 5/5
Snowstorm

 

YOU DONT KNOW ME, DONT EVEN TRY !!!

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By anonymous• 8 Apr 2008 20:44
anonymous

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By anonymous• 8 Apr 2008 20:42
anonymous

Re-Seal or cobwebbed.....

By Gumby• 8 Apr 2008 20:41
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Gumby

Virginity or not is of zero, nada, zip interest.  This is good as I've been in Doha long enough to re-virginize myself.

By Vegas• 8 Apr 2008 20:39
Vegas

You can't teach experience...

By anonymous• 8 Apr 2008 20:37
anonymous

Can you eat all??

 

Live and let live...

By Snowstorm• 8 Apr 2008 20:35
Rating: 5/5
Snowstorm

 

YOU DONT KNOW ME, DONT EVEN TRY !!!

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By Snowstorm• 8 Apr 2008 20:35
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Snowstorm

 

All You Can Eat...

 

 

 

YOU DONT KNOW ME, DONT EVEN TRY !!!

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By anonymous• 8 Apr 2008 20:33
anonymous

lingo please

 

Live and let live...

By kakashi28• 8 Apr 2008 20:31
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kakashi28

 

I became a DOG the day after I lost mine, and the months and years after that............ go figure mates

 

 

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By anonymous• 8 Apr 2008 20:30
anonymous

I would say it would be a pain in the ass most of the time!

By lovinni• 8 Apr 2008 20:29
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lovinni

snowstorm...not only fries but the whole meal.... 

I think I've discovered the secret of life - you just hang around until you get used to it.  ~Charles Schulz

By anonymous• 8 Apr 2008 20:28
anonymous

Me too!   I would never sleep with a man who was a virgin.  What would dw say?

 

I wonder what it is like to be gay.   Sounds creepy.  Being a man, I don't know why women are attracted to us.  I think we are all pretty creepy.  Women are all like angels.

By anonymous• 8 Apr 2008 20:26
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anonymous

knox bet ur bedsheets c all the action eh?wink wink.....

By anonymous• 8 Apr 2008 20:25
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anonymous

A horse!?!WTF.......

By anonymous• 8 Apr 2008 20:24
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anonymous

On the contrary, I have been there! I spose they're open to suggestion...Errr can I just say that we were both 17 years old, I'm not talking about 14 year olds lol they should be more interested in play stations than birds in IMO.....

By Snowstorm• 8 Apr 2008 20:24
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Snowstorm

 

YOU DONT KNOW ME, DONT EVEN TRY !!!

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By IC3MAN• 8 Apr 2008 20:20
IC3MAN

Dude...........that aint true.............I was a horse the day i lost mine........................

By cygnet_chay• 8 Apr 2008 20:20
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cygnet_chay

Supernurse u'll never know? heheheh

By anonymous• 8 Apr 2008 20:18
anonymous

A virgin man is no good to a women! Heaven forbid!

By lovinni• 8 Apr 2008 20:15
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lovinni

add me...that makes 2! anyone else? 

I think I've discovered the secret of life - you just hang around until you get used to it.  ~Charles Schulz

By cygnet_chay• 8 Apr 2008 20:14
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cygnet_chay

Lovinni Me!!! hehehehe

By lovinni• 8 Apr 2008 20:08
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lovinni

virginity is a state of mind...so who among us is still a virgin? 

I think I've discovered the secret of life - you just hang around until you get used to it.  ~Charles Schulz

By knoxcollege• 8 Apr 2008 20:07
knoxcollege

I am proud to be a virgin. Many hoes tried to seduce me but Hey Mullah KnoxCollege shooed away the devils.

Looks like with the passage of time Mullah will be an extinct breed. So help Mullah in bringing more virgin Mullahs in this immoral and impure world.

 

 

By IC3MAN• 8 Apr 2008 20:04
IC3MAN

hahaha.............yeah.....somethin like a cherry..........hhihihehe

By Snowstorm• 8 Apr 2008 20:00
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Snowstorm

 

YOU DONT KNOW ME, DONT EVEN TRY !!!

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By kakashi28• 8 Apr 2008 19:59
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domo arigatou gozaimasu minna!

 

 

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By IC3MAN• 8 Apr 2008 19:56
IC3MAN

well said kakashi..............Personally i wud like to have a virgin..............But cant complain, I aint no angel either.........................

By chingkay• 8 Apr 2008 19:54
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chingkay

 

 yah its true kakashi

 

 

 

honesty is the best policy

By kakashi28• 8 Apr 2008 19:51
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kakashi28

 

Ego, and the honor. Being the first seems to make u feel very manly or like a knight. BUt thats just the others and im not speaking for myself, though there was a time in my life (when i was young) where i do prefer virgins.

 

But now, with the world today..... good luck ;). Some people even say, that if u want a virgin, u must steadily stay on track with a girl as early as 13 yrs old. hahahaha.

 

Personally, why would i demand for one... if im not virgin as well.... hahahaha. Fair enough eh?

 

 

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By daiwai• 8 Apr 2008 19:45
daiwai

If you're living life on the edge, you've got too much room.

By Gypsy• 8 Apr 2008 19:43
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Gypsy

Me neither.  

 

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By Oryx• 8 Apr 2008 19:41
Oryx

Oh I would never sleep with a man who was a virgin.

yukkky

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Where to celebrate World Vegan Day in Qatar

Where to celebrate World Vegan Day in Qatar

Celebrate World Vegan Day with our list of vegan food outlets offering an array of delectable options, spanning from colorful salads to savory shawarma and indulgent desserts.