Will good triumph over evil in the end?

MN

Translation of Surah Al Noor

http://www.ahlesunnat.biz/main/holyquran024.htm

Here as well

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stoning

Aakhri-pasta: I can read the Koran back to back and Guarantee you won't find it anywhere!

And if you think Koran sanctions stoning and that it’s there in the Koran then maybe you are the one who don’t know shyt abt his religion (:

umm is it? Where? coz from what you just posted the word "stoning" or the phrase "Death by stoning" does NOT appear anywhere in this verse!

Aakhri-pasta: WoW! Are we playing with the koran now to fit in our biased and bigoted aganda AP?

This whole part ((This punishment is for unmarried persons guilty of the above crime but if married persons commit it, the punishment is to stone them to death, according to Allah's Law)) Doesn't exist anywhere in the koran ! LOOOL! OMG! I think I should listen to Miss mimi! I fukin rest my case!

Aakhri-pasta : I thought by challenging your brain would start to think and you ''ill come up with something intelligent to saysadly you proved me wrong again. So keep doing what you know and can do best which is dancing around the bush like the chimp you are.

FathimaH: Good on your hubby, Mash allah. As for me my belief is the Stoning for adultery scansions are illegal and unislamic and call for their banishment

In recent years all those who were stoned did not receive a fair trial from what I know, hence their sentence itself was wrong. There are certain hadiths that speak of stoning but in all of them those who did it confessed their sins, and despite the Prophet trying to convince them to go back and make repentance they insisted they be punished. Why? Because they truly feared God's punishment on them.

In today's world no one does that. And even if they try to then as Muslims we can talk them out of it and tell them instead to repent and stay away. Mind you my hubby faced this situ with a friend many years back who actually wanted to go all the way to Saudi and asked to be stoned! DH adviced him not to and today he is a good man, and God knows best.

The best advice to Muslims is don't fear the stone, fear God. Stay away from adultery.. Period!

Aakhri-pasta: Then prove me wrong and post the verse here (:

Sis Fatimah: my side of the argument is that there isn’t a single verse in the Koran that commands or instructs the Muslims to stone anybody for committing adultery.

Most or maybe all of you who think and defend stoning as a way of justice never saw a stoning execution being carried out.

I saw it and it is disgusting and shocking

This topic is a much debated and controversial topic even among scholars.So many contradicting evidences here and there. It is safe to say however that in actuality the whole punishment of stoning to death is near impossible as it ether requires the witness of four reliable people, and all four must have to actually see the intercourse itself and not just flirting, kissing, etc,(like who in their right mind will cheat on their wife for four pious people to see?) and/or the guilty parties must confess to their acts, not under duress, more than twice and ask for the penalty.

So people then ask why was this law introduced in the first place if it really can't be applied unlike the death penalties for say murder,armed robberies and rapes? Well the reason is simply so that the Muslims themselves realize how seriously big this sin is and stay away from them.

In truth adultery is among the most major of sins in Islam, so even if it is hard to prove, you need to realize how scary it is to even to go close to it. For Allah warns us: "Do not go near fornication and adultery, it is an abomination and an evil way." (Quran 17:32).

But that said even among spouses, if one of them commit adultery and truly repent, then it is upto the spouse to either divorce them or stay married to them. BUT you cannot kill them. That would be murder of the first degree.

Victory_278692 : I dare you to show me one verse in the Koran where stoning for adultery is sanctioned by God.

Yes, stoning is commanded by God for sinners of adultery to cleanse the society, eradicate such immoral crime from the society and for gomorrahs to follow the right path.

Taliban, like many others used religion as a means of controlling the populace. We are digressing, because the Taliban in an earlier guise was supported by us in order to drive out the Soviets ..

cheating your back! JESUS! I have never seen ppl murder the English lang so BAD! like this lil fella over there!

err, they did. They then also destroyed the film institute, the statues of buddha and pretty much everything else they declared as unislamic. This was years before the american invasion.

But God has instructed you to stone these people in his book did he not and it is the literal word of God.

I don't think the Iraqis were fighting in the name of religion, however the Taliban were for there version of Islam. The Taliban actually went on the offensive and kill all the other warlords to take over the country in the name of Islam so are they not religious?

As for stoning people to death, I guess as a pure religious man like yourself you consider killing someone in the name of God just.

Many religious leaders including major prophets have waged wars and killed people. Killing of others is banned in nearly all major religions, so you tell me. Being stone to death for adultery is a must according to some verses so the correctly religious should kill but that leads to contridictions.

Well you said that atheists have no fear of God so will do evil things, these preists and imans who have abused young boys are well versed in their religious teachings yet still choose to commit homosexual rape. I guess religious people are the worst of all according to your logic.

Really? Guessed you missed the catholic church priests abusing young boys or the practise in afghanistan of sodomising young boys, good muslims them.

If you look at the evil things in the world such as slavery it was not the christians or the muslims that abolished it, (in fact in both holy books they talk about owning slaves as a matter of fact) it was humans that progressed and decided to abolish slavery as an evil.

Atheism is not a disease or even a belief system so I do not know how that would turn you gay. As I have said before an athesist does not believe in any of the Gods man has made but its not a faith or an alternative belief. Its the same as saying not going skiing is a hobby. If that is true I practise my hobby all the time.

Being attracted to the same sex is something that happens in much of the animal kingdom but I don't know many frogs or dogs or monkeys claim that athesim made them do it....

Moza that 'humans less God' are only a subject in the universe; who is to struggle to survive at his own.

AP: Does Aethism influence one to become a GAY; then its Gayism and Hedonist.

Brits.....do you still expect another holocaust?

MM: I still looking for my answers :)

Yes it will and it will not care.

We only consider it evil as we will die and our genes will die with us.

If tomorrow there is a world war and a nuclear holocaust , then evil ma triumph and the universe will still be there - minus a few billion humans..

I have to agree with LP. The universe sees neither good or evil, it just is. Physics does not make choices based on ethics or morals.

What is Gay? How does one become Gay? Is it natural or by choice?

So gay people are good. Because they're happy and don't hurt anybody.

Which makes feel everybody happy; without hurting anybody.

What is good?

Everything which is NOT good is evil and bad, perpetrated by Humans, will get a tag of good and bad depending of his/her deeds (exclude all natural calamities)

Would you say that an earthquake is "evil"? Probably not, because the earthquake is not doing anything it shouldn't do. Evil can ONLY be done by humans! If we get rid of the evil humans, evil won't exist anymore. But, the question remains: who decides what evil is? If you look at the existing philosophies and religions then each of them has a different definition.

Hope so because we are living in a frightening world !

Hulk beat up Loki...True Story!

What is evil?

No one could justify that Evil is good;

an evil is Evil for a society.

Poets lives in different illusionery world, which is far from reality.

Thanks Fathimah...I find those things in the books that I read..:)

Yo Yo Mama! lookin guuuuud!

Rover Eye activated!

Almost poetic and packing a punch...wow!

As darkness is the absence of light, evil is the absence of good.

Turn on the light, and darkness is banished...fill space with good, and evil has not space.

Then again, what is evil for one, is good for another.

Good triumphs as long as one has Stallone, Arnie, Bruce Willis and the like on our side!

MM is really emotional BTW it all depend on authors intention, what he really meant if that remain uncleared

Actually MN no one knows the true origin of that word. Many theories have been put forward but none proved.

It comes from the Germanic "focken" which meant "to strike,"

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It is what society has made the word; it doesn't necessarily follow the same definition that you are thinking. There are many different definitions.

Here I questioned someone towards the unwanted use of ' f ' word on a public forum where 'few' respectable ladies also participate.

He also never looked behind & ran off without any answer just like 1st one I told you !

So, Prism my brother, I consider this a little bigger than 1st evil, is defeated.

Prism, forgive me if I wasted your time.

But this is like we need to be watchful to notice evil being put down by good almost every moment even though in very small minute forms by individuals in their limited independent personal capacity with the grace of 'Almighty'. It matters to those who are highly sensitive , kind natured , humble simple people.

But the battle goes on ....

Molten Metal said Marco ? ...

''...If you wanna die ,fine go jump off a high place or pop some sleeping pills, but don't decide to take me down with u! fuk that!''

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f.. is not a civil word on this forum , what do you want to prove by saying f..?

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MM...sorry but I didnt understand anything after 'Molten Metal said who knows...".

Anyways, from the part which I think I understood, what you are saying is that someone saying 'lol' in virtual world on a topic of someones death is evil?....I have nothing further to add, I rest my case.

You will have to agree with me after reading my this post. You should be very calm & composed to analysis those two posts and have clear , soft mind to see the big picture. Be fare my brother to give me feed back.

On 20.05.2012, I single handedly DEFEATED 2 EVILs between 0920 PM & 1002 PM.

In this I questioned one childish fellow, when he said 'lols' while discussing a deadly accident.

He never bothered to look back & attack me, which he fondly does even when I never have any ill will against him.

Prism : Consider this as a defeat of evil in a very very minor form for a beginners like both of us.

Molten Metal said who knows ...

It is like that same old case of a slow moving small car coming suddenly in front of paced up traffic & it may have happened to be an unlucky LC in line the of fire.

It is any body's guess, until an expert establishes & declares the root cause.

Is it a time to say 'lols' ???

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It does , but but new ones keep coming.

thats our belief....but sometimes the end is too late.....lately we know Ghaddafi's end.

they always go hand in hand..like day and night or else life won't be that much exciting.

You can continue that thought, if the universe would consider something 'bad', it would not allow it to be.

"The universe does not know of these. The universe accepts all as it is for what it is."

'Good' and 'evil' are inventions. What is good for some is bad for others.

I would agree with the Greek philosophers.

According to Robin Sharma :Good and evil are merely judgments. The universe does not know of these. The universe accepts all as it is for what it is.

According to the Greek philosophers good and evil are two notes in a symphony. It could mean that no one is good or evil but are all shades of gray.

What is good and what is evil?

This makes me think of a quote from Alexander Solzhenitsyn:

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"Gradually it was disclosed to me that the line separating good and evil passes not through states, nor between classes, nor between political parties either, but right through every human heart, and through all human hearts. This line shifts. Inside us, it oscillates with the years. Even within hearts overwhelmed by evil, one small bridgehead of good is retained; and even in the best of all hearts, there remains a small corner of evil."

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So I would say as long as humans exist neither can triumph.

Moten Metal said "you will see 'evil' being defeated every second around the globe"...quote me an evil (you choose what is evil per your understanding) which has been defeated by good, out of I guess 86400 instances on a particular day.

And that 'good will triumph over evil in the end and the end may be in this life or afterlife'... I say that evil will triumph over in the end and that end may be in this life and if not for sure in afterlife......prove me wrong?

God created everything in the universe so god created evil as well. Let's hope he tipped the scales in favor of good.

Evil can thrive but a short while....Good always win

"...Will good triumph over evil in the end?.."

It definitely will, however what is important is to understand what is the "end". The end maybe in this life OR afterlife.

You know 911 & what about figure 77 ?

We , some times see the immediate circumstances of a bit longer scene & make conclusions which are influenced by the temporarily powerful political 'net work' of forces.

Read 4 different newspapers from 4 different countries for 3 months, pray a little, read 'your' holy book and a monthly magazine your views would be totally changed.

When you have 'your' own view not that of a paid street journalist or of a fanatic, you will see 'evil' being defeated every second around the globe.

It needs regular & continuous study of this universe to master the art.

As per my religious convictions I believe that ultimately we will all get what we deserve of pleasing or wretched endings, and justice will be served. And yes, good will always triumph over evil eventually, though we may not always witness it in this lifetime itself!

Not really MM evil just get bigger and strong after holocaust it was Israel palestine conflict And after afghan Russia war there was 911 and supposedly war on terror. Waiting for good to triumph

Nope. Evil always win

Can't think of anything...evil seems to be winning everywhere.

Evil itself knows about it at the very beginning !!!

In the long run - yes...

Hitler is a good example. Although Gerge W and his poodle B'liar are still awaiting their come uppance...

It does ..

Almost in all movie..

it depends on what one defines as good and evil.