Excerpts of what the western world says......
A great is been written on QL about religion.
Just a brief excerpts about the strength of Islam and its messenger. Below are the statements said by well-known figures:
Lamartine ( the famous Historian )
" If greatness of purpose, smallness of means and outstanding results are the three criteria of human genius, who could dare to compare any great man in history with Prophet Muhammad (PBUH)?"
" As regards all the standards by which Human Greatness may be measured, we may well ask, is there any man greater than him?"
( Historie De La Turqvie, Paris 1854 - Vol. II, pp.276-277 )
Michael H. Hart
" My choice of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) to lead the world's most influential persons may surprise some readers and may be questioned by others, but he was the only man in history who was supremely successful on both the religious and secular levels."
" It is this unparalleled combination of secular and reigious influence which I feel entitles Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) to be considered the most influential single figure in human history." 10
( In the Book, THE 100: A RANKING OF THE MOST INFLUENTIAL PERSONS IN HISTORY )
Sir George Bernard Shaw
" I believe that if a man like him were to assume the leadership of the modern world he would succeed in solving its problems in a way that would bring to this world much needed peace and happiness."
" He was by far the most remarkable man that ever set foot on this earth. He preached a religion, founded a state, built a nation, laid down moral code, initiated numerous social and political reforms, established a powerful and dynamic society to practice and represent his teachings and completely revolutionized the worlds of human thought and behavior for all times to come."
( The Genuine Islam, Vol.1, 1936 )
Mahatma Gandhi ( Freedom Fighter and Father of the nation in INDIA )
" I became more than convinced that it was not the sword that won a place for Islam in those days in the scheme of life. It was the rigid smplicity, the utter self - effacement of the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH), the scrupulous regard for his pledges, his intense devotion to his friends and followers, his absolute trust in Allah and in his own mission."
( Young India Newspaper )
Ramakrishna Rao ( Indian professor of philosophy )
" Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) is a perfect model for human life."
" His personality, it is most difficult to get into the whole truth of it. Only a glimpse of it I can catch. What a dramatic succession of picturesque scene! There He is, the Prophet (PBUH); the Warrior; the business man; the statesman; the orator; the reformer; the refuge of orphans; the protector of slaves; the emancipator of wmen; the judge ; the saint. All in all these magnificient roles, in all these departments of human activities, he is alike a HERO."
( In his book MUHAMMAD: THE PROPHET OF ISLAM )
Wolfgang Goethe ( Famous European Poet )
" He is a prophet not a poet and therefore his Koran is to be seen as a divine law and not as book of a human being, made for education or entertainment."
( Noten und Abhandlungen Zum Weststlichen Dvan, WA I, 7,32 )
Thomas Carlyle
" How one man single-handedly, could weld warring tribes and wandering bedouins into a most powerful and civilised nation in less than two decades."
" The lies ( western slander) which well-meaning zeal has reaped round this man ( Prophet Muhammad )are disgraceful o ourselves only. "
( In the Book HEROES AND HERO-WORSHIP )
John Esposito ( University professor of religion and international affairs, Director of the center for International Studies at the College of the Holy Cross and Founding Director of PABT Center for Muslim - Christian Undrestanding, Georgetown University, USA.)
" Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) was among those great religious figures, prophets and founders of religions, whose remarkable character and personality inspired uncommon confidence and commitment. His phenomenal success in attracting followers and creating a community-state that dominated Arabia could be attributed not only to the fact that he was an unusual man. And his followers found him righteous, trustworthy, pious, honest and compassionate."
" He was not the founder of Islam; he did not start a new religion."
" Islam brought a reformation; it was the call once again to total submissio to Allah and the implemetation of His Will as revealed in its complete for one final time to him, the last, or 'seal', of the prophts. Thus, for him, Islam was not a new faith but the restoration of the true faith."
" Eschewing vengeance and the plunder of conquest, he instead accepted a settlement, granting amnesty rather weilding the sword toward his former enemies. For their part, the Meccans converted to Islam, accepted His leadership, and were incorporated within the UMMA ( Muslim Community)."
( John Esposito in his speech, 2004.)
The List is endless
Islam is the true religion of Adam and Eve and their children till the end of this world. It is simple, logical, clear, practical and comprehensive. The beauty of Islam is infinite, since it comes from the Infinite One (ALLAH), the creator.
Islam teaches us to be just, wise, sincere, honest, objective and open minded in our search for the truth and when dealing with or judging others.
Searching for the truth should be based on reliable sources and authentic facts. And dealing with or judging others should be performed with justice, positive attitude, dialogue, mutual respect and clear understanding.
Islam teaches us not to hate or put down others based on their race, color of skin or eye, or nationality.
Islam is a practical remedy for the racial conflictand discrimination which the world witnesses.
Islam preaches to feel peace of mind and contentment in spite of all the aggression, invasion, occupation and exploitation of their land. oil and wealth inspite of the injustice, bias, discrimiation and defamation.
lASTLY, If the minds are captive to prejudice, preconception or pre judgement, we will never see the beauty or truth of anyhing.
Knowledge is too vast to be at one place.
IJ
Thank You
God Bless You
yes, but we can start to look at something which combines most of the knowledge at one place (Dr Zakir Naik).
i agree that no one has perfect knowledge so u guys can continue ur threads on QL.....njoy
Many people (including me) don't find Zakir Naik to be very knowledgeable and lacking in Islamic study himself. I had looked into him at one point because someone sent me a lot of his tapes. He didn't appeal to me at all -- and I am a Muslim.
If you like him and believe him, that's fine; but don't assume that everyone else will just because you say so.
I didn't drink the kool-aid! -- PM
Dear snowwhite
Nobody in this world has complete and total knowledge every human on this planet is constantly learning and even the lecturers in IRF are updating themselves and doing research activity.
Thank You
God Bless
who want to know about any relegion contact Mr Zakir Naik's school from (IRF) Islamic Research Foundation http://www.irf.net/ who has knowledge of all religion of this world instead of arguing with less knowledge here on QL....You will be left with no questions anymore...
What about "Rajneesh Osho" the prophet?
Every prophet was hated and chased by some or many of his ppl because what he taught contradicted with their desires and interests..
Laterz guys..
Analysis and reinterpretation of biblical prophecies in no way reflect negatively on the honoured and revered status of Essa alaisalaam in Islam. above was only a comparision of prophets.
All you say, QatariLady, maybe true for you. I am sure you will sleep well then. See you another time.
And thus Hindus celebrate Buddha Poornima every year.
Yes "old good Uncle Sam" :) Well...maybe you are right.
Yes, Gautam Buddha is the greatest! He had long arms(upto his knees) and big ears like Gandhi!
That proves to you that I don't assume :)
If you don't, then what's the point in haing a religion? To us religion is about the afterlife.. We consider that the purpose of this life is to lay foundations for the afterlife, the eternal life..
" jesus was rejected by his people". Right. Because "his" people were the Jews. He turned the Mosaic laws and changed the character of the Jewish revenging God into the forgiving Christian God. And the Jewish priests saw their power decrease. No wonder that they hated him.
QatariLady, you could have assumed that I don't. And in this case you would have been right.
Essa alaisalaam had an unusual birth to Virgin mary, he did not marry or hav children, his death was unusual, his career was a slain prophet and not like a statesman persona of Holy Beloved Prophet Muhammad (PBUH), he did not have any forced emigration in adulthood like Moosa Alaisalam or Beloved Holy Prophet Muhammad (PBUH), he did not encounter with enemies or have hot pursuits and battles, he was never commited to writing in his lifetime even his earliest gospel was written down many years after him. The nature of his teachings were vague and or spiritual, he never claimed to bring a new law nor even to abrogate the existing Old testament Law. 35 He simply added a spiritual touch to the concept of the law, which by his time had been reduced to the levelof lifeless, and at times hypocritical formalism. Until the end, however, and with the exception of a few followers, jesus was rejected by his people.
Both are dead but left a legacy for ppl to live by.. Do you believe in the afterlife?
Thanx to Uncle Sam :)
Do you think it was a coincidence that mostly non-Arabs (Kurds) were selected by USA to lead Iraq?
Agree with you MD
Buddha was a great guy, edifis. What do you think?
I think both were great, and both are dead. We have to live. Both said the same following some rules that make life possible. That's what I think. And people who are "normal" do what these great men said. Because they are "Humans".
Are Hindus considered pagan?
Well QL maybe somwhere you are right, but I am affraid that Muslims unfortunatelly reduced and still reducing themselves daily. Iraq, Afganistan, Pakistan.... and all this in the name of God.
No I wouldn't.. Personal desires, understanding interfere..
Of course not.. and it's not an indicator of Prophet Muhammed's ineffectiveness either..
Anyway, the statement is about Prophet Muhammed not Prophet Jesus..
So what do you think about it?
You are not going to blame Muhammed for all the atrocities happening between Muslims and Muslims, don't you?
It's not Jesus' fault, is it?
Jesus is great no argument about that..
2 billion believe in him compared to 1.5 billion Muslims.. I can argue here that "Christian" heavy weaponry did play part in reducing the number of Muslims; they've been and are being killed in Palestine, Chechnya, Bosnia, Afghanistan, Algeria, Iraq..etc.
God bless you, too, and thanks for your explanation. By the way, I wanted your explanation, not any from any dictionary written and compiled by anyone.
What does " Authentic" mean in English dictionary its your mother tongue do i have to explain you my friend.
Dont argue for the sake of arguement prove it.
Someday you will understand not for me to make you understand.
Thank you
God bless you
I think Jesus was greater. (Greatness of purpose: to introduce the forgiving God unlike the revengeful God of Moses, smallness of means: he was a poor carpenter, and outstanding results: more than 2 billion people believe in what he said and did).
I know you're from Europe..Now you're assuming that religion is about killing.. It's not..
Anyway, you're a smart person and I LOVE talking to smart ppl.. Let's discuss this sentence:
"If greatness of purpose, smallness of means and outstanding results are the three criteria of human genius, who could dare to compare any great man in history with Prophet Muhammad" (Lamartine)
What do you think of it? (intellectually pls no insults or attitude)
I don't know what "authentic" means for you. Do you mind to explain it?
Sweet QatariLady, again you assume to know where I come from. Where I come from there is no religion. People don't kill each other because there is no need to do it.
Magic dragon you are assuming and generalsing the subject. If you have something authentic to prove your point quote it, like Qatarilady said...
Talk only what you can prove or else learn and come back to comment.
Thank You
God bless you
But you confirmed that.. Religious ppl where you come from dedicate their lives to religion.. I know a lot about your culture. I'm not assuming..
And I said, how do you know what I'm used to?????? You don't. Ergo, you are assuming.
I reread my post and didn't find where I said I know how you think..
I said you're used to religious ppl being priests and nuns and you've already confirmed that..Then I said pls try not to expect us to be perfect.. This is a request not an assumption :)
You see, nobody likes you when you talk about fact. Why believe these miserable Historians. They are only writing their mind out not necessary fact.
Dialogue between a traveler and PROPHET MUHAMMAD (PBUH)
A traveler once came to the MASJID to see the PROPHET MUHAMMAD (PBUH).
After greetings, the Prophet (S.A.W.S) asked where he was from. The traveler replied, "that he came from very far just to get a few questions answered".
The dialogue between the traveller and the PROPHET "HAZRAT MUHAMMAD SALALLAHO ALAIHE WASSALLAM" are:
Q#1. Traveler: I do not want azaab to be written in my account.
Prophet (S.A.W.S): behave well with your parents
Q#2. Traveler: I want to be known amongst people as an intelligent person.
Prophet (S.A.W.S): fear ALLAH always.
Q#3. Traveler: I want to be counted amongst Allah's favorites.
Prophet (S.A.W.S): recite QURAN every morning and evening.
Q#4. Traveler: I want my heart to always be enlightened. ( roshan and munawer)
Prophet (S.A.W.S): never forget death
Q#5. Traveler: I never want to be away from ALLAH's blessing.
Prophet (S.A.W.S): always treat fellow creatures well.
Q#6. Traveler: I never want to be harmed by my enemies.
Prophet (S.A.W.S): always have faith in only ALLAH.
Q#7. Traveler: I never want to be humiliated.
Prophet (S.A.W.S): be careful of your actions.
Q#8.Traveler: I wish to live long.
Prophet (S.A.W.S): always do sila rehmi.
Q#9.Traveler: I want my sustenance to increase
Prophet (S.A.W.S): always be in WUZOO.
Q#10. Traveler: I wish to stay free of azaab in the grave.
Prophet (S.A.W.S): always wear PAAK clothes.
Q#11. Traveler: I never want to burn in hell.
Prophet (S.A.W.S): control your eyes and tongue.
Q#12. Traveler: how do I get my sins forgiven.
Prophet (S.A.W.S): always ask forgiveness from ALLAH with a lot of humility.
Q#13. Traveler: I want people to respect me always.
Prophet (S.A.W.S): never extend your hands of need at people.
Q#14. Traveler: I want to always be honored.
Prophet (S.A.W.S): never humiliate or put down anyone.
Q#15. Traveler: I don't want to be squeezed by fishare qabr. ( squeezing in the grave)
Prophet (S.A.W.S): recite "SURAH E MULK" often.
Q#16. Traveler: I want my wealth to increase.
Prophet (S.A.W.S): recite "SURAH E WAQIA" every night.
Q#17. Traveler: I want to be safe and at peace on day of judgment.
Prophet (S.A.W.S): do ZIKR of ALLAH from dusk to night.
Q#18. Traveler: I want to be in full attention and concentration during NAMAAZ.
Prophet (S.A.W.S): always do WUZOO with concentration and attention
You were assuming about what I think, QL. And therefore I ask you again: How can you know what I think? You can't, you are assuming.
The topic is about what historians and philsophers recognized in the Prophet so it's like testimony that he didn't spread Islam with the sword.
It is worthwhile to see the people carryon with the thread topic- istead of going dormant (i know it is late night though). We can contribute and evolve thoughts. Sorry if I put anybody off by saying 'stay focussed'.
Pls continue to share with the aim to better understanding and benefit.
I already knew that so I wasn't assuming as you said.. We're not a nation of priests and nuns even though we're religious.. religion is to ALL ordinary ppl.. And bear in mind that what you see in ordinary ppl is affected by genes, up-bringing, education, media ..etc.
Here I am after loooong time.
I would like to add something...
Should make the difference between Orthodoxy and Catholicism. The Orthodoxy priests do not live in celibacy, they have a family, while monks and nuns as well as Catholicism live their life, and all of them together are completely committed to God and they are living social life very easy.
It is pertinent to quote that :
In the New Testament of the Bible, Prophet Essa Alaisalaam ( Jesus ) also prophesied the coming of another Comforter. Essa Alaisalaam declared, " and he shall give you another Comforter" (John 14:16)
In addition Ess Alaisalaam said:
" Nevertheless i tell you the truth; it is for your good that I go away: for if i go not away, the comforter will not come unto you; but if i depart, he will send him unto you. And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgement.. i have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. How be it when he, the spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, [that] shall he speak: and he will show you things to come. He shall glorify me.. ( John 16:7-14)
Our Beloved Holy Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) mentioned, " If a man believes in Jesus and then in me, he will get a double reward."
Also stated, " I am the nearest of al the people to jesus, the son of mary; for there was no prophet between me and him."
Jazakallah khairan
He is up there...I'm all for non denominational...
trust me it works...You got to believe in something...
Just don't let it rule your life...
All I know is I'm being taken care of...
Pray often not when it is requied...
And don't pray for shyt all the time...
Most prayer should be for giving thanks...
You can't teach experience...
But then PM, we are here for a purpose to learn and get illuminated. Agreed, it is human nature to judge a religion by looking at its followers and I agree with you point of current state of affairs of most of Islam followers.
However, let us then search for the truth and that shoudl mean looking at other facts besides the followers' behaviour- for the sake of being open and not repenting having not tried bit more.
For QL & Magic, better focus on the important topic istead of trying to find faults.
Priests and nuns have dedicated their lives to execute the rules of God. That's all. Their "social" life is concerned with a community. They've given up their personal desires. Good enough, Lady?
Correct me if I'm wrong..
Priest and nuns live in ..hmmm.. I don't know what it's called..they don't get married and hardly live any social life..
If it isn't true so pls tell me the truth so I don't have to "assume" things.
practicality we do tend to judge the religion by those who profess to follow it. That's just human nature.
I refuse to drink the kool-aid! -- PM
Liberal thoughts Vegas; though you could be different- whatever religion you remain with. Why look at the followers instead of teachings!
Again, I repeat the saying, 'look at the surmon not at the person delivering the sermon'.
Based on what I have seen in the past decade, I would argue with you, QL. Sure there are plenty of good Muslims but I think we are far, far away from being like we are supposed to be. And in fact, Islam has taught us that this would be the case. Surely you aren't arguing with that?
Don't think I am referring to you or any specific person. It is just that we are seriously lacking, I think.
I refuse to drink the kool-aid! -- PM
I refuse to drink the kool-aid! -- PM
The "Problem", QatariLady, is, that you think you know what I think. You make so many assumptions that it becomes uninteresting to argue with you. How the hell would you "know" what I am used to or not? You don't. But you say it as if it was a fact. Sorry, I cannot accept such a poor tactic.
You know...make mistake and ask forgiveness???
Why I don't hang around with religious people...
They made too many bad mistakes and will make more...
You can't teach experience...
Drac said:
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I dont want to be impolite or rude...but what the Christians are doing or "worship"-ing it's not your business!
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In the name of Allah, We praise Him, seek His help and ask for His forgiveness. Whoever Allah guides none can misguide, and whoever He allows to fall astray, none can guide them aright. We bear witness that there is none worthy of worship but Allah Alone, and we bear witness that Beloved Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) is His slave-servant and the seal of His Messengers.
In time, the whole of Arabia became the land of Islam. The Prophet ( PBUH ) intended to perform the Hajj. He announced his intention to the muslims of Madinah and the surrounding areas and asked them to join him. This was in fact the only Hajj performed by him during his lifetime. On this ocassion, he taught those who were present with him and the whole world about the Hajj rites and the divine message that Allah had entrusted him with to all mankind.
At the last gathering with the ummah during the Hajj season, the Hajj of wada, a sermon was delivered by our beloved prophet Muhammad ( PBUH ) at the valley of Araafat about 81 or 82 days before his death. It contained the very fundamentals of Islam. Seated on his camel, he spoke with a clear tone and asked who heared his speech to convey it to those who were not present there. Among other things he said:
" O' people, lend me an attentive ear, for i know not whether, after this year , I shall ever be amongst you again. Therefore, listen to what I am saying to you very carefully and take these words to those who could not be present here today."
" O' people, just as you regard this month, this day, the city as sacred, so regard the life and property of every muslim as a sacred trust. Return the goods entrusted to you to their rightful owners. Hurt no one so that no one may hurt you. Remember that you will indeed meet your Lord, and that He will indeed reckon your deeds. Allah has forbidden you to take usury, therefore all interest obligation shall henceforth be waived."
" Beware of Satan, for the safety of your religion. He has lost all hopes that he will be able to lead you astray in big things, so beware of following him in small things."
" O' people, it is true that you have certain rights with regard to your women, but they also have right over you. If they abide by your right, then to them belongs the right to be fed and clothed in mildness. Do treat your women well and be kind to them for they are your partners and committed helpers. Ant it is your right that they do not make friends with anyone of whom you do not approve, as well as never commit adultery."
" O' people, listen to me earnestly, worship Allah offer your five daily prayers, fast the month of Ramadan, give your wealth in Zakah and perform Hajj if you can afford it. You know that every Muslim is the brother of another Muslim. You are all equal. Nobody has superiority over the other except by piety and good deeds."
" Remember , one day you will appear before Allah and answer for your deeds. So beware, do not go astray from the path of righteousness after my death."
" O' people, no prophet or messenger will come after me and no new faith will be born. Reason well, therefore."
" O' people, understand my words, which i convey to you. I leave behind me two things, the Qur'an and my example, the Sunnah, and if you follow these, you will never go astray."
" All those who listen to me shall pass my words on to the others and those to others again; and may the last ones understand my words better than those who listen to me directly. Be my witness O' Allah that I have conveyed Your message to your slaves."
The importance of this sermon can be seen from the prophet's ( PBUH ) perception that this occasion may be the last one during his lifetime. He felt that this was the right time to summarize the principles of Islam to his fellow brothers and sisters.
By the perfection of this religion, it means that there is no need for humanity, and for Muslims in particular, to look for an alternative way of life. As long as one holds fast to the two things left behind by the Prophet ( PBUH ), the Qur'an and the Sunnah, one will never go astray.
About two months after returning from Makkah. It was on Monday, 12th Rabi al Awwal, the year 11 A.H., when he passed away at the age of sixty three.
Many people did not believe that he had passed away and thought he would live forever. Abu Bakr said to the congregation that if they worshipped Prophet Muhammad ( PBUH ), he had died, and if they worshipped Allah, He lives forever. Then he recited from the Qur'an:
" Muhammad is naught but a messenger like the messengers who had surely passed away before him; will you, then, if he dies or be slain, turn round on your heels?...".
(Qur'an 3: 144)
Whatever written of Truth and benefit is only due to Allah’s Assistance and Guidance, and whatever of error is of me alone. Allah Alone Knows Best and He is the Only Source of Strength.
now who's that guy that turned water into wine......that's my idea of religion!
Islam is too vast yet simple and easy to understand and follow. It is a great religion and indecent talk will not demean the religion in any way or our Beloved Holy Prophet Muhammad Peace blessings be upon him. If the followers are misguided even after such a clear and complete guide to living, allah has kept provision of Jehanam to accomodate them.
well, i think what QatariLady said about ordinary people sums up the concept and how we should not judge Islam simply looking at the ordiary people. I like 'Muslim religious ppl are ordinary ppl who make mistakes and do their best to get back on track'.
[quote:] "Christians don't worship Prophet Muhammad (saw)"
Does this mean that Christians "worship" Jesus?
She's wrong because she doesn't KNOW the ppl who are professing Islam.. She has seen ordinary ppl who are not perfect..
The problem MD is that you're used to religious ppl being priests and nuns. We're not like that.. Muslim religious ppl are ordinary ppl who make mistakes and do their best to get back on track so try not expect ppl to be perfect just because they're religious.
so I am assuming that means an Israelite. Anyway, I am just explaining how Christians understand these verses. I don't expect you, as a Muslim, to believe them in the same way since it would not be consistent with your agenda. I was responding to the fact that you took umbrage at the fact that Christians don't worship Prophet Muhammad (saw) and explaining that they do not believe him a real Prophet of God.
I refuse to drink the kool-aid! -- PM
that also doesn't mean that I say everything is perefect here! And that is true for almost all countries.
Well, what we see here in Qatar is atleast far better than you would experience in most of other gcc countries. She is probably offended more because she feels it is being unthankful to Qatar when it gives so much to us as expats. It is a matter of understanding cultural differences and trying sometimes to be on the other side to realise that it is not all that bad.
No he wasn't Israelite but the Bible doen't say the coming Prophet is..
PM said it rightly, QatariLady. Is she unfair, too?
PM has rightly, most of the muslims are namesake more or less unlike what they should be on moral, ethical, social aspects as stipulated by Islam
You're not being fair
Stone Cold.. You're definitely right about Jesus.. Now don't push your luck further!
Well they say 'see not the preacher but look at what he preaches'.
Second, let us analyse what Dr Zakir Naik says and if it is with proofs and references which can be checked particularly when he gives the chapter and verse reference nos. Pl give a try before we conclude or close our eyes/ ears or for that matter brain.
I am sure it should help and would be very happy to know if what he says is not based on fact.
Because the people you see now professing Islam are hardly worthy of being called Muslim in my opinion (myself included).
I refuse to drink the kool-aid! -- PM
Prophet Muhammad (saw) was not an Israelite, was he?
I refuse to drink the kool-aid! -- PM
It's hard for me to take him as a serious source of Islamic knowledge, especially since he is so ignorant in many matters. Besides he's a medical doctor and to my knowledge has never even studied Islam formally. Neither have I but I don't promote myself as a "scholar".
I refuse to drink the kool-aid! -- PM
Moses and Muhammed share the same origin (Ishmael).. Both are semitic..
If the Quran has been changed or corrupted you'll see different versions of it because every scholar will have a different input..
Jesus has a very clean profile. He was not a robber, a thief, does not have 10 wives and dosen't promotes voilence.
"Islam teaches us not to hate or put down others based on their race, color of skin or eye, or nationality."
This is what I'm still waiting to experience in this Islamic country!
So far, it's just blah, blah, blah.
Based upon the Bible verse in Deuteronomy chapter 18, verse 18, God says to Moses: "I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their brothers; I will put my words in his mouth, and he will tell them everything I command him."
So the points necessary would be:
1. He will be like Moses (a true Prophet of God)
2. He must be an Israelite
3. God would put words in his mouth
So to point 1, most Christians believe this is a reference to Jesus. Moses brought the Law in the 10 Commandments and Jesus fulfilled that Law in the New Testament.
To point 2, our Prophet (saw) was not an Israelite; thus, he wouldn't fit the Biblical criteria.
Thirdly, while we believe that God sent his word through the angel Gibril, there is another Biblical verse that warns against Angels carrying messages that are inconsistent with the Gospel (God's Word). "But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed." (Galatians 1:8). The issue is here that there are things in Quran that are inconsistent with the Bible. Now you will say that is because the Bible is corrupted, but nevertheless Christians do not see it that way. That would make the 3rd point invalid, too.
My point is that just as many Muslims like to say Christians are following a corrupted religion; many Christians will say we are following a false one.
I refuse to drink the kool-aid! -- PM
it is at . there is an introduction though there for few minutes.
Thank you for this topic..
If only they knew him!
There is a great deal of fair, unbiased comparison in one of the lectures titled 'similarities between Christianity & Islam' by Dr Zakir Naik. You should be able to find it on youtube. It also has comprehensive, references to the facts.
It will be very well for QLers to go through it and see for oneself. I hope all of us watch it- who knows what good is in store for us.
I happened to find the link while typing...it is one among series. Regards
Suddenly, I feel something is missing out in QL.
We need a new preacher, a new prophet and a new holy book.
All based on the many views, well compile and lets make it a new a religion in Qatarliving to follow.
Is it high morals or abuse of power?
What you hear and what you read; does it constitute for anyone to act superior, knowledgeable or just simply idiotic?
I'm going to consul with the "heroes" for advice.
Don't lose the pig and camel yet, I got to feed them Halal food.
Graduated from Xavier Institute for Higher learning.
It's mentioned in the Quran that he was mentioned in both the Bible and the Torah.. The problem is where are the authentic books that we can rely on.. No offense meant but as I said earlier the Christians themselves agree that some of the Bible was lost and some of it what changed..
widely accepted as valid. Having been raised a Christian I can assure you that it was impressed upon us to be wary of false Prophets and false religions -- and frankly, they were referring to Islam in no uncertain terms.
I think there is just as much a case for saying that the Bible warns us that Prophet Muhammad (saw) was a false prophet as there is for saying he is referred to in the Bible as a legitimate prophet after Jesus (saw).
I'd like to hear what Christians have to say on this matter. Maybe Mandilur who has studied theology can shed some light.
I refuse to drink the kool-aid! -- PM
Have a look at these two links.. I couldn't summerise them.. too many details..
http://www.islamicity.com/Mosque/Muhammad_Bible.HTM
http://www.jamaat.net/muhinbible/muhinbible.html
I will if I find it.. I think it's been posted in one of the thread but I'll look for it anyway..
I have heard Muslims say this but never read anything that backs up the claim, as well as never heard that in all the years I was a Christian.
I refuse to drink the kool-aid! -- PM
Both the Bible and Torah mentioned his name as a Prophet following Jesus..
My question to MissX wasn't about the religion of Jesus because it doesn't entirely exist.. This is not criticism nor allegation as Christians themselves agree that they don't have the authentic Bible.. I was asking about the religion that she believes in whatever it is.
believe in the Prophet (saw) since he wasn't born until about 600 years after the formation of Christianity and about 300 years after the regularization of the Bible at the Council of Nicea.
I refuse to drink the kool-aid! -- PM
"those people" are the ones who brought and practised true authentic religions. If you expect us or the Quran to praise man-made or man-altered religions that only mislead and draw the public away from God and cause them to say things like "WTF is Hell", then you'll wait for tooo long..
Yes QL, the Quran praises those people. NOT other religions. Which was my whole point.
Wtf is hell?
The Quran is full of praise to Jesus, Mary and Moses..
Any Muslim who doesn't believe in them is a non-believer and will go to Hell..
Does your religion say whoever doesn't believe in Prophet Muhammed will go to Hell?
I'll read your posts later..Bye
Winn, didn't you know Islam is the greatest and only true religion? Why would you want to compliment anything lesser than it? Flawed ideologies do not deserve compliments.
P.S. When did Gandhi become Western? :P
truly amazing...!
Cant help but think, why is it that I never get to see something positive said about other religions by a Muslim scholar on QL or anywhere else? Are they (the other faiths) that devoid of positives?
I mean, all these people quoted above were followers of faiths other than Islam, but that did not prevent them from pointing out the beauty of Islam and the greatness of its prophet. yet to see the sentiment reciprocated. Or did I miss something?