Trying to understand George Bush

How can you tell Bush is lying?

If his lips are moving ;)

Gerhard Schroeder, the former German Chancellor has accused Dubya of 'not telling truth' in his memoirs..

I think you are a better match for Bush! And as the saying goes, OPPOSITE poles attracts! Lol! Good afternoon to all!

but was it the information at the beginning? Who are giving wrong information? So why blame someone who acts on a given information?

Well, sorry to be the opposite side here but I respect all your views and honestly, I secretly agrees with you. Lol. It's just that the reality is so frustrating that nothing can be done to the "two" at current political situation!

Can only agree with Brit. The man lied his way into a second term. Really, if you love him this much why don't you marry him?

The reasons given by the leaders to go to war were later found to be false. So, the people were not at fault.

they need to be prosecuted by the International Court of Justice for war crimes!

for eight years, wow! That's what I called WEIRD! Lol!

And now, after two years, I hope the current dispensation is not losing it's charisma?

If I remember it right, when Bush decided to go to war in Iraq, at that time, majority of Americans approved it! Is that a correct fact at that time or I am wrong? This is what I'm saying as the situation calls for it. Can it be wrong now but right before? Please enlighten me.

How did we get to prosecutions..

All we were saying is that George W and his side kick B-Liar were both tellers of untruths and politicians to boot :O)

We're complaining about him because he's an idiot flor, also the reasons for going into Afghanistan at the time seemed justifiable to the rest of the world (i.e. they were harboring someone who had just attacked the US), Iraq was condemned by the majority of the world.

See the difference there. One condoned, the other condemned.

but not ok in Iraq?

we complaining about Dubya?

ANd Brit, if they were "coerced", it means the two are the power! Right? So who'll gonna prosecute them?

Canada and Australia are only involved in Afghanistan, which many countries supported the invasion of. They aren't involved in Iraq.

The main players were George W and B-Liar.

The others were "coerced" into coming on board :O)

He can Flor. But how do you stop a war overnight? It would cause more devastation than it would prevent. I think the person who doesn't know politics is the one that thinks you should respect someone just for the office they hold. As for "fitting" the role, if you asked most Americans who they vote for for President they'll tell you they vote for the person they think would be the funnest to have a beer with, not who's best suited for the job.

and fully agree with all your views, but what is the reality now?

And where is the "presumption of innocence until proven otherwise" concept?

Let them clean their wardrobe and let's start living the real life!

And BTW, what about the coalition force, can't they veto it? Canada and Australia are I think part of it? Right? So all the head of states of the coalition force should be prosecuted?

Yes, all politicians are liars. But at the end of the day, there needs to be some sense of morality - no matter what the office you hold.

just stop now? I think some needs to learn what politics is? And we are talking about US and UK here! It takes one to fit the shoe to understand the office represented. Even on personal experience, sometimes, you have to decide on what the situation calls, not what is perceived by others as right or wrong!

Yes they should Nic, they and their entourage. They've committed war crimes that will take decades to clean up. They need to be held responsible.

Pilgram,

I think the entire world (ok maybe with very few exceptions) agrees with you,

Dubya and Blair should be prosecuted by the International Criminal Court.

As President he has the veto. Nothing can be done without the permission of the President without a hell of a lot of effort. He did not veto the decision to go into Afghanistan and Iraq, therefore ultimately it was he who was responsible.

Respect is earned and that man earned NONE.

"The Buck Stops Here"

The simple fact is that Dubya lacked charisma, had a bad history, pulled strings to avoid combat duty in Vietnam, was influenced by the far right and like B-Liar told untruths.

Apart from that , he was a good guy :O)

but it's a fact that the "head" get all the blames! In the first place, he/she is precisely placed there to take the blame/glory if ever. But I say, more of blame than glory! Lol!

flor1212 said, "That's the agony of holding such high positions, you are prone to a lot of criticism. Some people do it their job to criticize someone or anything!"

- Right.

"And in the first place, it's not a one-man rule!"

- Right also. It was not a one-man rule. It was a collective decision and those who did so decide at that material time should take responsibility. No doubt they did what they thought was right with the information available to them at that time. The fact that they had insufficient credible information to proceed is another thing. It ain't just GW Bush.

Can you all imagine having to stand guided by your generals who have their own personal agendas and enough of them on one side and the leader has no choice but to follow the majority rule?

There are pros and cons to every situation in life.. and this supports the arguments for dictators - of course, the dictators tend to have their own personal interests at the fore and thus, that's worse. At least a collective decision making system needs more than 1 little napoleon on the same side to swing the decision. In fact, I say, string up those cowards by their toenails, who decided the fate of innocent people and now hiding behind the cloak of democracy!!

And the number 3 rule is "people who do not try to exert moral authority at all or advocate total freedom, tend to breed anarchists".

Eh.. I said "total freedom", ok?

Have you seen some peeps who sing the tune of freedom being a basic human right but then when something bad happens to them or their loved ones, then they say, jail them all?!!

Whatever floats your boat, float off....

but need to respect the office! You don't expect you can please everyone but at least respect the office. That's the agony of holding such high positions, you are prone to a lot of criticism. Some people do it their job to criticize someone or anything!

I reserved my feeling for the man, as I said, I am not an American and I am not directly affected by his actions before.

And in the first place, it's not a one-man rule! Or you think so? Agree or disagree?

Anything can be twisted out of context.

But having said that, his alleged pro-life stance was totally at variance with that major part of his leadership...life is about justifications, isn't it?

And flor1212, agree that the media is the culprit for many of the troubles we are in and the media should report the truth responsibly. That's also open to differing interpretations, whether to be strictly truthful or have some discernment, with a view to the bigger picture or greater good that needs to be managed. Again, greater good according to whose definition? Back to square 1.

/It's hip to be square though... :P

//Ok, I'm a child of the 80s.. ok, I am THAT OLD! :-(

relax flor, deep breathes :)

Jeez Flor, it was a joke. I didn't realize you loved Bush so much. Perhaps you're the one who needs to attend anger management courses.

at that time, how'd you ever known that the ex-President is mentally handicapped! This kind of comment is what makes this kind of discussion totally out of proportion! You need to attend anger management course!

I shall always remember him for his Humour..:) He did it so seriously that he did not even realise that he was so funny..:)

Wow, that's weird. You really shouldn't show your mentally handicapped son those types of things...it might lead to him becoming a serial killer...

what is written or what is reported "maybe" the truth or simply a "cover-up".

And I tell you, MEDIA is the culprit for all the troubles we have now! If they could only learn to be "responsible". But again, judging media itself depends on who's and what's side you are!

Nowadays, it's living in a "daily basis"!

Valid point. But B-Liar was judged not just on one issue, but his premiership overall. As is Dubya.

I think the old days of Leaders being judged after a period are long gone, because nowdays the press and media is pervasive and we get up to the date reporting.

isn't it ironic?

Look what happened in US Mid-term election. Was it an indication whether Obama is a good or bad president? Again, it depends on who's side you are?

isn't it ironic?

Look what happened in US Mid-term election. Was it an indication whether Obama is a good or bad president? Again, it depends on who's side you are?

For my sins - Yes I did.. But that is because our system is different. I voted for Labour and not Tony B-Liar himself.

usually is judged not right after his presidency but after many years when the serving presidents are doing their own good and bad things in the office. It is only now that bad things are highlighted but time will come, when a "more" notorious president comes along, you will remember that he is better! Of course, by that time, I hope we are still here to debate it!

My opinion only! In the first place, I am not an American and no way to vote or ot to vote for him. You, did you vote for Tony B-liar?

Great.....yup it was...

Lucy,

it wasn't on a cheeseball, it was on a pretzel!

And something that could be emotionally scarring, although maybe not always as in your case.

I think the majority have already made their minds up about Dubya... These memoirs, like those of Tony B-Liar will only help reinforce those views...

I saw once in news that a cheeseball got stuck in his throat while watching tv...I really he could have got a stucked throat and a death too the way he ruin two countries and so many US soldiers lives and still they are going through trauma..He should be criminal no.one of the world and he needs a tleat 1000 warm leashes on his bumps live on bbc to the world and than hang to death.Moron..

wrong!

what he says now or put in is memoirs will always be viewed in many ways. Of course, the thinking will be more biased to be something to cover-up something.

Well, nobody stop us from criticizing the guy. But what will it benefit us? The guy will just be richer for sure and maybe become more famous or notorious, depends on which side you are!

I have to agree with drmana, this is weird, very weird.

Yes flor, I think it is weird (not wrong) specially as bush says that experience was not expected and sensitive for him. If at all it was to be done, the mother should have at least prepared him mentally for the experience. That's my opinion.

I can't comment on your personal experience though.

My mother brought home a fetus in a plastic. It's our brother who died in her time of pregnancy. When her tummy becomes smaller rather than grow, the check-up shows she had a dead fetus so it was removed. Me and my elder sister saw it and we buried it in our backyard. You think it's wrong.

Your dissatisfaction with Bush is affecting your mentality totally towards the guy. You just don't know how hard to be the President of USA? Or does anyone of you have an idea? You think it's that easy? Give the guy a break, he will be judged accordingly by history, not now!

I dont know how such a person can pass his classes... in School

Why would a mother show her aborted foetus to her teenage son? This is really bizarre....

"I have never been able to understand how that man got into politics, got elected to state office and then served 2 terms as president"

A lot has to do with the spending power of the candidate on media, toring, spind doctors etc. For instance, this mid term election, Meg Whitman spent $142 million of her own money to run for the office of California’s next governor... Astronomical amount by any standards ..

It runs in the family?

The most powerful man in the world is his Father.

I agree. After all, he's trying to SELL his memoirs.

At fault for what? Making Dubya the complete buffoon that he is?

That particular day must have been traumatic for both of them, but I don't think it lends to any "understanding" of the guy.

I just think the reality was probably not as "warped" as it seems in the tabloid version.

Would you say that his mother was at fault by openly carrying a featus in a jar and perhaps traumatizing a teenager ?

PRO-LIFE! ...except for the millions i will kill in wars for oil!

That explains it all: the lack of success in school, the drugs and alcohol abuse, the lies and the lunatic dysfunctional behavior. As for becoming president, the people that live in the US, in-between the 2 coast are capable of that and much more... wait until they elect to the Whitehouse, an ignorant pit bull with lipstick!

I am NO fan of Bush, but just watched the interview, and the scenario was not as the OP described-

Barbara suffered a miscarriage. She had to take the fetus to the hospital.

George W had to drive her to the hospital, so he saw the fetus.

How would you feel and what state of mind do you think you'd be in if you were a woman who had just lost the life that had been growing inside you, and then had to carry it to the hospital??

How would you feel if you were the teenage son in that situation?

That shoe comment was hilarious!But I cannot judge his mother for what she did. Some parents have some very seemingly weird ways of teaching children reality and instilling life lessons and values, but they have worked in the long run and the kids turned out just fine. That said is George Bush really a "fine" example? I think not!

While he was uttering this nonsense to the presenter of the program did somebody threw a shoe on him..This was the time to threw one on him...Idiot..

They are biggest liars in Politics...If he can say that they are attacking Iraq for the bio-arms and they found nothing and they hanged a country's president in front of camera than he can do anything.He is a murderer himself so it shows that he got it in genes from his mentally sick mother..

Cryspy if you are 24 hours on QL, what is wrong with Bush to become two times elected president.

it says much about the populace who voted for him.

very disturbing...its amazing how people can manipulate u.

Bluffmaster...

at the end, he was two times elected president........thats enough for him.

While googling about Bush I came across an interesting answer to a question.....I know you are mature enough to frame the question. Answer is: Everytime he gets close to cuming just show him a picture of George Bush or Tony Blair. That'll put a stopper in his cap!

Yewww..... looks like whole family is mentally sick

With all the spin doctors and life coaches sorrounding politicians now, you don't know what is reality and what is made up.

History will judge George W on his action / inaction during his presidency, rather than the personal issues.

What a strange family

This is sick...