i think the good points outweigh the negative one huh? thanks for the inputs, it really pushed me more to get one, probably the LS.

and yes sure for those who think that this is purely american, they're quite wrong. Lumina is made in australia by Holden and sold as holden commodore in their country. since holden is under GM of america, they rebadged it to Lumina when selling it to GCC. Lumina is the same as commodore that is used in V8 supercars race in australia against the perrenial competitor ford falcon. this race can be seen on gear one channel.

btw for those who think that camry is purely japs, again they're wrong. camry is made in australia too! not in japan! mitsu galant and nissan altima are made in USA, again not from japan! the only japs misize car is accord!