Penny, unfortunatly you have to understand that by their very nature, people like 'advocate' are irrational beings. You cannot hope to persuade people like 'advocate' to see the error of their ways by using logic and reason as your tools; all you end up doing is giving them a platform from which to spurt their endless drivel.

It is for this reason that as soon as I realise I am dealing with this particular kind of person, I refuse to give them the time of my day.