Casanova: First of all do let me thank you for your magnanimity in pardoning my ignorance. Don’t know what I would have done without it. Now coming to your post.
“In a country where you can sue a company for not getting a girlfriend after using a deodorant”-
I guess you are referring to a satire posted in a site called ‘fakingnews’ . It wasn’t a real incident.
Just coz I think that I don’t get justice in court doesn’t mean I can go on the street and do what I feel I want.
“As per the rights of democracy, one is allowed to protest if not being heard (and that’s what exactly being done)”:
you have a right to protest, I agree. But protest is one thing, boycotting and encouraging to boycott national symbols endorsed by the constitution is another thing. That’s exactly what is being done here. What you should do is impress on your elected representatives to raise the issue on the floor of parliament and then reach an amendment. You are a pretty decent size vote bank, so get it done. Courts cant do that for you. Of course, it takes effort.
“YES… Islam is above everything to us”- That’s quite evident. Thank you. You have as much freedom to believe in that as has someone else to believe that the nation is above everything, including religion.
“Why don’t we use “Inqilaab Zindabad”, “Nara-e-Takbeer Allah-o-Akbar”, “Tum hume khoon do hum tumhe Azadi deN ge”, “Jai Javan Jai Kissan”, “Bharat Mata ki Jai” etc etc…”
Tipu and the Mughals were fighting for their own territories, not for the whole nation. And they were as much of tyrants as the colonial powers. It cannot in any way be compared to a mass movement of common people who came together in their own volition without being commanded by a king/an autocrat. And none of those slogans were ever as popular, as widespread from kashmir to kanyakumari, arunachal to ahmedabad, as this one. The ones you said happened in isolated pockets. (Jai Javan Jai Kisan is post independence, not that it matters, but just clarifying). By the way, if you are ok with ‘Bharat Mata ki Jai’ then what is the problem with Vande Mataram? by the Takbeer was heard more during the post independence riots. Chk out those old archives/videos
‘Inqilab Zindabad’ means ‘long live revolution’. ‘Gimme blood, I’ll give you freedom” is again not a song and What is its connection with a motto, the national song of a ‘sovereign’ republic? That said, I do appreciate your search for alternatives. Good luck on that.
Indian Flag and the religious symbol- You spoke about the colors , but you did not touch the thing about the religious symbol, the Buddhist wheel of dharma which was exactly my point. As for currency you again missed the symbol from the Buddhist stupa.
“I don’t mind what they worship, whether its pee of a Cow or dunk”- You seem to be at your magnanimous best today, my friend. But sorry to say, its quite misplaced and your statement is judgmental. Nobody worships pee of cow or dung. But you are quite free to say that and look down upon a group of people coz you believe that they do. You have that freedom in India. You have the freedom to say Islam is above everything else for you. You have the freedom not to sing the national song. (but saying that its 'offensive?) do remember that democracy is as much about majority as it is about minority rights.
What would you say, tomorrow, if an atheist group wants to remove the ‘Mana adhi nayaka’ and ‘Bhagya Vidhata’ mention in the National anthem? Would you support them saying it offends them and they are Indians too? Or is your cause only for what offends muslims?
Casanova: First of all do let me thank you for your magnanimity in pardoning my ignorance. Don’t know what I would have done without it. Now coming to your post.
“In a country where you can sue a company for not getting a girlfriend after using a deodorant”-
I guess you are referring to a satire posted in a site called ‘fakingnews’ . It wasn’t a real incident.
Just coz I think that I don’t get justice in court doesn’t mean I can go on the street and do what I feel I want.
“As per the rights of democracy, one is allowed to protest if not being heard (and that’s what exactly being done)”:
you have a right to protest, I agree. But protest is one thing, boycotting and encouraging to boycott national symbols endorsed by the constitution is another thing. That’s exactly what is being done here. What you should do is impress on your elected representatives to raise the issue on the floor of parliament and then reach an amendment. You are a pretty decent size vote bank, so get it done. Courts cant do that for you. Of course, it takes effort.
“YES… Islam is above everything to us”- That’s quite evident. Thank you. You have as much freedom to believe in that as has someone else to believe that the nation is above everything, including religion.
“Why don’t we use “Inqilaab Zindabad”, “Nara-e-Takbeer Allah-o-Akbar”, “Tum hume khoon do hum tumhe Azadi deN ge”, “Jai Javan Jai Kissan”, “Bharat Mata ki Jai” etc etc…”
Tipu and the Mughals were fighting for their own territories, not for the whole nation. And they were as much of tyrants as the colonial powers. It cannot in any way be compared to a mass movement of common people who came together in their own volition without being commanded by a king/an autocrat. And none of those slogans were ever as popular, as widespread from kashmir to kanyakumari, arunachal to ahmedabad, as this one. The ones you said happened in isolated pockets. (Jai Javan Jai Kisan is post independence, not that it matters, but just clarifying). By the way, if you are ok with ‘Bharat Mata ki Jai’ then what is the problem with Vande Mataram? by the Takbeer was heard more during the post independence riots. Chk out those old archives/videos
‘Inqilab Zindabad’ means ‘long live revolution’. ‘Gimme blood, I’ll give you freedom” is again not a song and What is its connection with a motto, the national song of a ‘sovereign’ republic? That said, I do appreciate your search for alternatives. Good luck on that.
Indian Flag and the religious symbol- You spoke about the colors , but you did not touch the thing about the religious symbol, the Buddhist wheel of dharma which was exactly my point. As for currency you again missed the symbol from the Buddhist stupa.
“I don’t mind what they worship, whether its pee of a Cow or dunk”- You seem to be at your magnanimous best today, my friend. But sorry to say, its quite misplaced and your statement is judgmental. Nobody worships pee of cow or dung. But you are quite free to say that and look down upon a group of people coz you believe that they do. You have that freedom in India. You have the freedom to say Islam is above everything else for you. You have the freedom not to sing the national song. (but saying that its 'offensive?) do remember that democracy is as much about majority as it is about minority rights.
What would you say, tomorrow, if an atheist group wants to remove the ‘Mana adhi nayaka’ and ‘Bhagya Vidhata’ mention in the National anthem? Would you support them saying it offends them and they are Indians too? Or is your cause only for what offends muslims?