Atheism and Communism - Whats the difference?

Communism-political

Atheism-A BELIEF

That's all it is. I mean, it doesn't mean that if you're an atheist you're automatically a communist. I mean, there are some atheists who are democrats you know?

Shuai,

Why don't you first define your understanding of communism and atheism and then ask the question. I really don't get your version of communism and atheism.

As I see:

Communism: Is socio-political. Got nothing to do with religion. Some communist leaders insisted on adding 'no religion' rule fearing that religion will go against their ideology. This doesn't mean atheism will go with their ideology.

Atheism: Is spiritual. Not believing in a supreme being - God. Atheism has nothing to do with equality etc. 

"Life is like a bicycle, if it's too easy - you're probably going down :)"

You 'll get crazy... for sure....

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What do u get when u cross breed democracy and communism?

Demunism - HEhe

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 I think I'm basing it on Karl Marx's Communist manifesto, how much more communist can you get?

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"ie: equality for everyone, the proliterate (meek) shall take over, everything should be shared, and everything should be for the betterment of the people, the State will be the supreme decision maker for the people and will be a benevolant leader (provided you don't rebel against it's orders)"

I think ur mistaking the incorrect application of communism (based on socialism) with the theorotical fundamentals of the same

I think if its applied correctly it wud still prove to be much better than a democracy

As the saying goes " "I can tolerate democracy as long as 1 fool is equal to 1 Wise man, but it can't be tolerated when 2 fools equal 1 wise man"

Rule of the majority when the majority are poor simpletons who get swayed in the name of crusades and holy wars cannot be a place for democracy

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 I elaborated in an earlier post, but I'll do so again. If you look at the basic tenents of communism, ie: equality for everyone, the proliterate (meek) shall take over, everything should be shared, and everything should be for the betterment of the people, the State will be the supreme decision maker for the people and will be a benevolant leader (provided you don't rebel against it's orders).  

These are pretty much in line with the teachings of Jesus or Mohammed, simply replacing Allah with State.   

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"Organized Religion and Communism share more values and ideals then Atheism and Communism"

Cud u elaborate please

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It can have small affects, but can't buck a serious trend!

You and I know that, but people vote for governments, and governments change if they are seen as not trying to act!  So they have to be seen to try different things!

You seem like an intelligent boy.  A suspect you already knew the answer to your thread above and but was looking for other's opinions and wider discussion! 

Thats why i said OTHER THINGS BEING EQUAL

Because its all crap

The whole interest phenomena being the reward for utilizing a factor is even shakier

As interest itself doesnt give stability to the economic system

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LOL, yeah, been there one too many times!

Damn roundabouts!!

Guess the town designer just finished school!

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Shuaibkazi,

btw, I think Gypsy is spot on!

... and Milton or Keynes??

Neither, I think most economic principles are all a load of BS anyway!!! LOL

Disclaimer:  That was a joke in case any of my former students are reading! 

 Shua, the godless aspect is a bi-product of Communism, it is not a principle of the ideology.  Organized Religion and Communism share more values and ideals then Atheism and Communism.

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Atheism and Communism share the principle belief system of being Godless

We are not talking about free market or a closed economy here

Yes i did study economics but i guess i must have been sleeping when they were teaching us about the similarities and dissimilarities between communism and atheism - LOL!

So whom do u follow - Milton or keynes (other things being equal) 

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Shuaibkazi,   LOL

You should have learnt what communism was if you studied economics, right? (and the differences with a free market economy)

And from your post you obviously know what atheism is, so how could you confuse communism?  That is why I question you!

So did you study any economics or not?

what the hell r u blabbering about

Is this what u teach in ur lectures

to follow economics and forget about the world

Man! u must be really turning out some real good number crunching zombies with the help of ur lectures

If u want to talk about economics start a post and i wud gladly interact with u

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No Alexa, my question was rhetorical!

I guess, pretty much like his.   LOL  

Shuaibkazi, are you for real???

From your question I had to look at you profile to see your age because this is something an educated teenager would know.

From your profile it says you are a market risk analyst.

You must have studied some sort of economics to be in a position like that and as a former economics lecturer I can tell you that if you studied economics to any level you would know the difference between Atheism and Communism!

Answer me this, how does a market risk analyst not know the difference?

 Have a look at these:

Bald is not a hair colour

It's a position on one single issue it's not a belief system 

It seems to me that you don't know what a religion is if you think atheism is one.

 Peace

I don't go to mythical places with strange men.

-- Douglas Adams, The Long Dark Tea-Time of the Soul.

Do atheists really denounce religion Shuaibkazi?

I don't believe in any god so hence consider myself an atheist, but I don't denounce religion. Just because religion is not right for me doesn't mean I speak out against it. I actually think people get a great deal from religion and a lot of what religions teach about how to lead our lives is very worthwhile.

Atleast we both agree on ur footer

;) everybody does love a filipino girl

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And everyone has the right to freedom of speech, so if thats your thoughts, then i apolagize for correcting ya..

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Do u have anything further than that to add

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'Atheists just like the communists denounced religion'

which is like saying a dog and a chair both have four legs so they must be the same.

Atheism and political standing are two independent factors.

So much as they are peaceful, and teach to live in harmony with your fellow man, to respect others beliefs and that there is only 1 creator etc..

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Atheists just like the communists denounced religion

I feel that communism has progressed in deciphering the codes of conduct and applying atheism to a society as a whole

It has its adv and disadv just like any man made system

Whereas the common atheistic outlook has just been a finger pointer at all of the existing ideologies in general without a clear solution of its own

or am i wrong

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 Communism is a political theory that's primary belief is centered around equality for all people.  Everyone makes the same wage, everyone shares food, etc.  There is noone better then anyone else. 

The theory was first put forward by Karl Marx, and later expanded upon by Lenin.  Under Marx's theory religion would eventually disappear as it is a dividing factor, ie: it makes some people (priests/non-sinners) more powerful then others AND it promotes a set of virtues and laws sperate from those of the state.  Therefore they would be in conflict.

Where religion promotes the idea that one should only follow the rules of God, Communism promotes the State into God's place and says you should only follow the rules of the state. 

Actually the general fundamental beliefs and values of communism are almost identical to the teachings of Jesus Christ, and to a slightly lesser extent Mohammed.  Just replace Allah with the State. 

However, in practice (and there has never been a country that practiced Communism perfectly anymore then there's been a country or people that practised religion properly) Religion has still been allowed in communist states, but the power of religious leaders has been severly limited. 

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Thats not what i asked nor did i make that statement

I just found the two ideologies to be similar

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make, no matter which forum its in.

Thats like saying all Muslims are suicide bombers or all Catholics are part of the IRA...

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I aint socializing here

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what you believe in....But you cant accuse others who choose not to believe in God, as been commies !!

Cos it will start a big row AGAIN about whos is the right and true religion, and theres enough of that on here already

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come on buddy - u know i have never said anything bad about any religion

except defended my own by showing the facts which are for all to see

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well u see where this is going paul...first u are obsessed with my male kitty, then u say you call out a MAN'S name during sex..i mean what else can u come up with? and sorry old man i'm totally not familiar with old UK jokes...some tribal african jokes from now on ok? :) 

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thats an old joke from UK...Youi must have heard it by now.

And what trap ?? i see no traps pussy boy !!

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hmm paul u just keep falling deeper and deeper into ur own traps...Picture this...a love making session (women prefer the word LOVE to Sex) and there u are in the middle of it all saying something like "oh PAUL OH PAUL YES YES PAUL"........enough said :) 

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Shubaizaki....China is communist, but not atheist....

So explain that then......Or is it now, you have had a go at all religions, and now fancy an arguement against non believers ??

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But ok here goes again; in some countries (no one mentioned) you can be a member of any party you feel like as well as any church/belief including being an atheist! I know this is a new a revolutionary concept to comprehend but it actually works.

This means you can be a catholic/jewish/muslim/x/x/x democrat/socialdemocrat/x/x/x/ without being a member of a tribe or clan or family - i.e you can decide for your self -WAAAAAAUW that's an independent choice.... 

- I took the blue pill and found myself alive in Qatar - wish I had taken the red and stayed in Europe

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I want to know how people really distinguish atheism from communism

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ok a little off topic but a wise old kitty once said " I feel sad for Atheists..they have no one to call out to during an orgasm" 

continue with the topic :)

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I know many expatriates in Qatar who go to church also

Does that mean that Qatar is not a muslim country

In nature communism denounces religion just like the atheistic idea

For me Tall G i guess athiesm must also be deemed to be a belief system

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Sorry I thought you were looking for information... now I see you are just picking an arguement with non-believers.

Is atheism a belief, or an absence of belief?

there have never been such country sweetie. no matter communist or not, the religion is always there. i have never heard that communism is totally denying God's existence anyway. and i have lived in one of those countries and still remember going to the church on Sunday.

if it would be like u said, then why they are celebrating Christmas, Easter, All Saint's Day? All those days were always off.

If you're looking for a problem, you're probably gonna find one.

Organised religion?

So u mean to say that communism wud be againt Atheism also?

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Communism is a political system which does not believe in organised religion.

Atheism is a belief and not depedendent on a political system but wouldn't be in favour a theocracy.

Why don't you check Wikipedia?

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