The Bible, The Thorah, The Qur'an and Science

If something is not known by the humans doesn't mean that it doesn't exist. There are a lot of things that other species know, which humans still don't know.

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The atheist should be asked; What is the worse that could happen to the one who believes in his Lord

and worships him? If he dies doing this and there was no God, what can happen to him after his death? It could be said that all of his worship was for nothing. However, as a result of proper worship, people can recognize honesty, generosity, good manners, chastity, etc in this

person. So even then, one who lived his life in this manner would be well respected and liked by those who knew him. So it would be hard to argue that his worship had no benefit.

However, if the Atheist died an atheist and there is a God, who would envy the atheist? His destination is everlasting punishment in the hellfire. So which is the safest position to take?

It is at this point when most Atheists admit that they believe in God but not religion. In other words, they say that they are technically Gnostics. At this point, it is necessary to inform them that whether professed atheists or Gnostics, they still have taken a lord – their own desires. This is the basis for atheism and agnosticism. Whether they admit it or not they

simply want to justify following their own lusts with reckless abandon by professing that there is no divine order and that there will not be a reckoning for what we do in our lives.

Allah describes these types of people in the Qur’an;

Have you seen him who takes his own lust (vain desires) as his ilaah (god), and Allah knowing (him as such), left him astray, and sealed his hearing and his heart, and put a cover on his sight. Who then will guide him after Allah? Will you not then remember? [45:23]

Nay, but those who do wrong follow their own lusts without knowledge, Then who will guide him whom Allah has sent astray? And for such there will be no helpers.

[30:29]

They belied (the Verses of Allah, this Qur'an), and followed their own lusts. And

every matter will be settled. [54:3]

The Prophet, sallallahu’alayhi wa sallam, said;

‘The Hellfire is surrounded with all kinds of desires and passions while Paradise is surrounded with adversities.’ [Bukhari and Muslim]

So whether they admit it or not, they have taken a lord, and whether they would like to admit it or not, they have taken a deen (a way of life), whether it is cultural, political, societal, or familial, they have taken on some or all of the various systems of thought and patterns of life made available to them in their environment. And this is deen. However, the only correct

and perfect deen is Islam.

Truly, the Deen with Allah is Islam… [3:19]

Do you think God will exist if there was no human existed, the highest form of animals that have ability to reasons and think logically. Don't tell me YES. Who's going to know about God? Because nobody exist.

Both the Bible and the Quran tell us God has always existed and there never was a time He did not exit. As such, He is the Eternal, without beginning and without end. He is the only creator and sustainer of all that exists and nothing and no one exists alongside Him, nor does He have any partners. He tells us, He is not created, nor is He like His creation in anyway. He calls Himself by a number of names and three of them are:

The First - (Al-Awal)

The Last - (Al Akhir)

The Eternal and the One who is sought after by His creation, while He has no need from them at all. (As-Samad)

He is not a man and He has no progeny or offspring.

He is not what He creates nor is He compared to it.

He always has existed and He never was created, as He is not like His creation, nor similar to it, in any way.

The prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, explained the devil would come to a person and ask them questions about creation; "Who created this or that?" to which the reply would be; "Allah" until he would ask; "Who created Allah?" At this stage the prophet advised us to drop this train of thought. Obviously, God - the real God, must be eternal and not have to be created.

The Quran tells us:

Allah! La ilaha illa Huwa (There is no god to worship except Him), the Ever Living, the Sustainer and Protector of all that exists. He doesn't get tired and He doesn't sleep. Everything in the universe belongs to Him. Who then, could intercede between Him and his creatures without His Permission? He Knows everything about them and they have no knowledge except as He wills. His kursi (stool or chair) extends over the entire universe and He doesn't get tired of guarding and preserving it. He is Most High, the Most Great.

[This Verse is called Ayat-ul-Kursi.] [Holy Quran 2:255]

This verse truly presents the comprehensive representation of God in a way without trying to define Him by comparing Him to His creation, but rather as being the Absolute in all of His Attributes and Characteristics.

The term "We" in the Bible and in the Quran is the royal "We" - as an example when the king says, "We decree the following declaration, etc." or, "We are not amused." It does not indicate plural; rather it displays the highest position in the language. English, Persian, Hebrew, Arabic and many languages provide for the usage of "We" for the royal figure. It is helpful to note the same dignity is given to the person being spoken to in English. We say to someone, "You ARE my friend." Yet the person is only one person standing there. Why did we say "ARE" instead of "IS"? The noun "you" is singular and should therefore be associated with a singular verb for the state of being, yet we say, "are." The same is true for the speaker when referring to himself or herself. We say, "I am" and this is also in the royal plural, instead of saying, "I is."

lol adey/real

Only God Can Judge Me

الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي

I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer

أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ

But Now I am a non smoker.. lol

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I was being nice to you :)

Want to start a QL 'love-in"? We could all wear beads and grow our hair long, smoking the wacky-baccy is optional but highly recommended! :D

"Deaths in the Bible. God - 2,270,365

not including the victims of Noah's flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, or the

many plagues, famines, fiery serpents, etc because no specific numbers

were given. Satan - 10."

peace coz of weekends .. and holidays to come

Wanna start all over again ?? LOL

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PEACE right back at ya :)

"Deaths in the Bible. God - 2,270,365

not including the victims of Noah's flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, or the

many plagues, famines, fiery serpents, etc because no specific numbers

were given. Satan - 10."

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Jack: They can tell me my future if i wanted but the higher class spirits don't care with thoose materialistic questions, there are questions far more important than my future.

Only God Can Judge Me

الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي

I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer

أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ

Platao36 ...that's ....according to your book...

OK...Can your spirits tell you your future? No they cant!

Because man can think and change his course of action.

Jack: You don't choose who you talk with, the spirits are the ones that decide to talk with you.

About the Bible:

Go read Samuel 1 Chapter 28 (6-25)

Only God Can Judge Me

الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي

I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer

أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ

Jack: It's specie, not race. Aliens aren't part of the theory of evolution but an explanation why only humans are racionals ;)

Only God Can Judge Me

الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي

I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer

أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ

You are confusing the discredited 'science' of Eugenics with evolution - Please tell me a race of people who are not part of the human race? There is actually no such thing as separate races.

Your Aliens theory is straight out of bonkers land!!!!

You say you were convinced of evolution at one time, you obviously don't know the first thing about it; as a little test- according to evolutionary theory from what is man descended from?

"Deaths in the Bible. God - 2,270,365

not including the victims of Noah's flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, or the

many plagues, famines, fiery serpents, etc because no specific numbers

were given. Satan - 10."

Platao36....according to your book...you can talk to spirit level no 9.

Platao36....according to my book...The Bible...God created people in his own image. He has told us specifically to correspond directly to him and not through any spirits.

So why would I go to Spirit no 9?

adey...what would you call ...the different classification of people? ....Races ...Yes?

Evolutionist have to believe the races are "evolving" at different speed...else there would not be "evolution". Thus of all the race there ought one race who are ahead of the other races.

According to the law of the Jungle they have the right to overpower other races who are not as intelligent and powerful as them. This also would mean dominating the World.

These very evloutionist also believe there ought be a race who are more intelligent and powerful than man. These race they call the Aliens.

Many people believe the evolution theory ends with man evolving out of monkey and today the evolution is small changes in man's physical features and intelligence.

But the theory of Evolution gives people the power to rule over other races. After all that is what Nature is all about for Evolutionist.

"Each one's liberty ends where the next person liberty starts"

Only God Can Judge Me

الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي

I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer

أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ

Freedom of expression is ok, till it does not break someone's freedom.

I can use a loud speaker, but the volume should be at the highest audible limit. Else it may damage his ears and he can take legal action against you.

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yeah bet if he wrote a book that was anti islamic and mocking the quran he would have been placed on a pedestalby the same peole who want nothing to do with him

Keep it up.. I'm getting emotional I think.

Any way, If you think.. this thread to close down. I will. Wanna say "I've said what I could".

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Maybe he was talking to his secretary and biographer?

"Deaths in the Bible. God - 2,270,365

not including the victims of Noah's flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, or the

many plagues, famines, fiery serpents, etc because no specific numbers

were given. Satan - 10."

Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, [b] and over all the creatures that move along the ground."

THAT HE IS TALKING TO SOMEBODY.

adey has the patience to counter some of this utter nonsense again and again.

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"There's this thing called being so open-minded your brains drop out". - Richard Dawkins

that's exactly why I don't care if there is anymore brake pads with enough thickness or oil in the engine. I don't care about the tire pressure either, and I always drive with almost no fuel in the tank. God makes me reach my destination even if all odds are against it. I don't care for nothing anymore. I can't change it anyway.

Dudes...What about Natures law, The sun rises , birds, eco-system, life, The Sleep, The day , the night, all animals at different climates and places, the finger prints of human, the brain of human, The calamities non stoppable to humans, and each time a comet or an asteroid comes near earth we cannot do anything.. other that sit and pray to god ... "better next time god".. the solar system galaxy.. and many many billons or unimaginable numbers of natures wonders.. still out of human research or thought.. a slight imbalance at any part causes everything upside down.. whoz controlling that.???

How can we say that.. its the part of evolution.. hmmm.. somebody is controlling it friends.. Even a man made car is incomplete without a good driver.. and reaching the destination is not entirely the will of driver.. he may get a flat tyre, a trailer may not see him, the break may fail, the engine may seize, even at a split of a second he may fell asleep.. whatever technical reasons we say.. it is upto the will of god.. that he reaches his destination.. safely.. Its as simple as that..

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Jack: My spirit isn't high enough to communicate with Angels or Archangels, God only communicates with them, the angels and archangels communicate with spirits lvl 3, lvl 3 with lvl 4, lvl 4 with lvl 5, etc.... The spirits are ranked in 9 levels Being God, lvl 1 and the lowest lvl is lvl 9, i advise you to read Alan Kardec's Book of Spirits, tomorrow i'll post a link to the full book and a resume.

Only our spirit is at image of God, haven't you noticed how we are all different ?

All different, all equal, we are all human beings, but phisically we are different, but inside we all have the same

Only God Can Judge Me

الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي

I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer

أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ

"If one believes in evlolution you have to believe in a lot of nonsense like Racism and Aliens...else you are not a true evolutionist."

What a load of old rot.

I would just like to tell everyone who might believe this, that it is utter bs.

Sorry but you just made that up, or more likely, someone has told you this and you haven't bothered to find out for yourself.

"Deaths in the Bible. God - 2,270,365

not including the victims of Noah's flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, or the

many plagues, famines, fiery serpents, etc because no specific numbers

were given. Satan - 10."

Plato ...if you believe in God...You wouldnt commune with dead sprits...you would have communicated with God.

Just like anybody can communicate with the Devil anybody can communicate with God. The problem is that people who communicate with God directly are very few and there are hardly any books on how to do it. While those who speak with the devil are many have written numerous books.

God created you in his own image along your body. You have body & Spirit but the dead spirits have just spirits and no body. Seems like it suits you ....Its your life you have the choice to live it as you will.

Many evolutionist say "I am not racist" ....I mean ..how much more convenient can it get. You cant have your cake and eat it too.

If you believe in evolution you believe a particular race has "evolved" over others so they have the right to rule over rest of the races. Else you are just half baked fence sitter.

Its no wonder Nazis too believed in the existance of Aliens and the Yeti (Bigfoot)....the guys at NASA too believe in it.

I know more things but that's the only one i'm 100% sure :)

Only God Can Judge Me

الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي

I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer

أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ

Then you should say:" I know that I will die." Is there anything else that you know ?

Like you said, i had to be 100% certain, but i'm only 95% sure, i have some doubts, but than, only thing that i belive 100% is that i'll die, one day ;)

Only God Can Judge Me

الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي

I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer

أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ

what does "believe" mean to you, platao? Probably that you are 100 % sure. Then why don't you say:" I know"??

Jack: I belive in God and i belive in evolution, and i ain't a racist but i do belive in aliens.

Being a spiritist to whom was given the gift of being able to talk with dead spirits (by God), i regret to inform you but Humans aren't alone in the Universe.

Only God Can Judge Me

الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي

I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer

أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ

flowersarebeautiful...good one

A person who search (or research) for God finds him.

A person who does not search (or research)for God does not find him.

If one honestly searches for him you will find him. Long back I too was caught up in the Evolution theory. But the more I researched it the more Nonsense it made.

Its similar to a misplaced wallet. If you look for it you will find it....if not you will not.

If one believes in evlolution you have to believe in a lot of nonsense like Racism and Aliens...else you are not a true evolutionist.

But a Creationist does not believe in Racism and Aliens...else he wouldnt be a true creationist.

Island: Like i stated previouslly, there's a theory that says that Humans are a result of alien experiences.

Maybe the God we are always talking about is an alien with superior technology.

Only God Can Judge Me

الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي

I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer

أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ

All I can say is: Human created God, and by that, Human think God created Him... There will be no God if no humans will think about him.

Where does God lives or stays before he created the Heaven and the Earth? Does this God has a God who created him and the place he lives in?

And BTW, what is that light in what he say "Let there be light"? That is at the beginning before he made the sun and the moon and the stars. And he did not removed that light after he created everything.

Realtorqatar: It's the obligation of ALL MONOTHEIST RELIGIONS to give the words of God to unbelievers ( not the same as ignorants ).

Only God Can Judge Me

الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي

I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer

أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ

YOU HAVE MADE MANY OPEN THEIR EYES WITH THIS SIMPLE EXAMPLE FROM HISTORY.

Hope everyone understands the essence of the same.

It's the obligation for a Muslim to get the word of god into the people around who are still ignorant of god.

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an Atheist is someone who doesn’t believe in God, although they have already accepted the Shahadah half way…."There is no God," now we have to guide them to finish it inshallah, There is no God but Allah (SWT), and Prophet Muhammad (SAWS) is his last messenger.

The story below hopefully will help athiests to use their intellect that God has given them.....

Imam Abu Hafina (may Allah have mercy on him) was asked by the khalifa to meet with them and an atheist so Imam Abu Hanifa could debate with him. They set a time for them to meet up. So the day and time came and left and they kept waiting for Imam Abu Hanifa until finally he came. Everyone questioned him about his being late and what happened. So he started explaining how there was river that he had to cross….and he was waiting for a boat to come and bring him on the other side of the river.

While he was waiting, the branches and leaves of the tree fell and slowly formed themselves into a boat. And he jumped in that boat crossed the river. Obviously ppl laughed at this story and the atheist asked him ‘Are you mad enough to believe that a boat was made all by itself?

Imam Abu Hanifa replied ‘Who is more mad? the one who believed that a boat was created by itself, or you who believes that the entire world is created by itself?’

an Atheist is someone who doesn’t believe in God, although they have already accepted the Shahadah half way…."There is no God," now we have to guide them to finish it inshallah, There is no God but Allah (SWT), and Prophet Muhammad (SAWS) is his last messenger.

The story below hopefully will help athiests to use their intellect that God has given them.....

Imam Abu Hafina (may Allah have mercy on him) was asked by the khalifa to meet with them and an atheist so Imam Abu Hanifa could debate with him. They set a time for them to meet up. So the day and time came and left and they kept waiting for Imam Abu Hanifa until finally he came. Everyone questioned him about his being late and what happened. So he started explaining how there was river that he had to cross….and he was waiting for a boat to come and bring him on the other side of the river.

While he was waiting, the branches and leaves of the tree fell and slowly formed themselves into a boat. And he jumped in that boat crossed the river. Obviously ppl laughed at this story and the atheist asked him ‘Are you mad enough to believe that a boat was made all by itself?

Imam Abu Hanifa replied ‘Who is more mad? the one who believed that a boat was created by itself, or you who believes that the entire world is created by itself?’

Think realtorqatar forgot to include racionality. ;)

Only God Can Judge Me

الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي

I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer

أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ

Ur worthy in field of ISLam & Expalnation

Its gud to have U in this context

May I have ur gud name

Worship... is for the gifts given to us from god.. one among the gifts.. LIFE..

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zambo.....i have more purpose in my life than to worship 'god' or anything else for that matter....and I wouldn't know how 'He' would want me to worship 'Him' anyway.....

for finale, the purpose of life is nothing but to worship God, everything that exist is meant to worship him, But the real and correct way of worship must be in a manner that is acceptable to him not on the invented way you want to worship him.

Thats the essence of islam.

Ramadham mubarak!

why does there NEED to be a cause, or a reason? People do good thing all the time without reference to their god or religion - if some people need a faith in order for them to be good then so be it. I have never killed or robbed etc, though I am far from perfect as I am sure you would say so about yourself.

Anyway, good to talk to you,

take care'

Peace

"Deaths in the Bible. God - 2,270,365

not including the victims of Noah's flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, or the

many plagues, famines, fiery serpents, etc because no specific numbers

were given. Satan - 10."

if everything is a story. Then what is the cause of living in earth? Why are we living as a society? why are we different from other living things.. when recent study have shown chimps has good brain than ours.. and a lot of living things brainy than us..(don't remember where I read it, k) why are we doing good.. when there is only local law and enforcement.. why can't we be criminals.. no one to ask after death.. why are we worried so much? Why am I different from you.. as the evolution.. goes on... can we turn back to some other species.. ??? and new generation of humans are in the making.. as chimps grow and become new humans// its all possible right... from tomorrow onwards.. with no fear of god.. people will start doing.. their will.. there will be hardly any thing left.. in world.. As you loot me and I loot you.. We become barbarians... with no law of god or fear of god..

let me take breath.. hmmm

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The Adam and Eve story is just one of many creation stories from around the world, there are hundreds of them - this just happens to be the one concocted by the ancient jewish tribes.

Check out the others, they are just as fascinating - however we have the evidence of evolution now, and although it does not disprove god/gods, it does show that the jewish story of Adam and Eve should not be taken as a literal truth.

And scholars of whatever religion can only go with the literature that is available to us all, unless you believe that they have a hotline to god and talk to him and hear his opinions on a regular basis.

So don't put yourself down and use the brain that the god you believe in gave you.

"Deaths in the Bible. God - 2,270,365

not including the victims of Noah's flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, or the

many plagues, famines, fiery serpents, etc because no specific numbers

were given. Satan - 10."

The real scholars and pundits are outside this thread folks, we are illiterate as far as the knowledge bank is concerned. Any way.. the effort is worth praise.. including me.

Well.. we can improve by reading a lot.. instead of sitting in front of computers.. ha ha.. just.. kdng

**Joke after a Pack**

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Interesting thread this. Thanks people.

We just have to remember that some people have different beliefs from others, so you'll never convince them of your way of thinking. Some of the views expressed here sound ridiculous to me, but I'm sure my views would sound equally ridiculous to them.

Islam is as old as the history of mankind folks.. there is nothing called pre Islamic history.. Islamic history starts from the creation of earth, to creation of mankind (Adam and Eve), to the history till date.. to the Judgement day. The whole content is in Quran.

As we know that we had only lived a fraction of the second compared to the whole history.. we will be astonished.. and .. see the death happened.. only few seconds after the birth. All entertainments , prayers, happiness, sadness, childhood, teenage, parential, grandpa life .. all just happened.. in a split of second ... and we are no more.. and.. leave everything.. and become the owner of 6ft.. soil.. to rest in Peace..

R.I.P

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After Meals

"But the fact is that BIBLE is also a book revealed by Allah"

You were right the first time, it was entirely written by men and has never claimed to be the dictated by god/Allah as the Qu'ran does.

Many reasons why I don't believe, too many to go into here.

I come from a poor background and many can do good by the poor without the need to believe.

It's just a question of attitude - you believe, I don't, it's as simple as that - I cant be forced to believe just as you cant be forced to dis-believe. It's a personal thing. If I change my mind I will let you know, but I can tell you now that no holy book, which ever it might be, will not be the reason for me changing my opinion.

Peace

"Deaths in the Bible. God - 2,270,365

not including the victims of Noah's flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, or the

many plagues, famines, fiery serpents, etc because no specific numbers

were given. Satan - 10."

Well thankx for your advise

How exactly you know him

I just wantto clear his feelingsabout FICTION

Thats not a proper approach

Well Oe can find at any time ISLAM

Me as a Muslim I dont believe in the corrupted Bible by MAN,

But the fact is that BIBLE is also a book revealed by Allah...

Its simple that you belive that a software updated is the better one So y dont u guys belive that the Updated form of the Bible is the LAST BOOK revealed on THE LAST MESSENGER (PBUH) SAWS

Go through the site i gave you you will find araound 11 books of BIBLE with revised version but you cant trust any...

The thing is from the day quran has been revealed onto Mohammed (PBUH) its under the responsibility of ALLAH , As he said that "He is the protector of THIS HOLY BOOK"

So this is the book all over the world they belive then y cant you belive...

Let me the life which you spent lavishly look like a good one .Look araound you , pepole in miserable conditions & all above its just people without clothes is it not your responsibility to share with them what you have .. Did you any time feel the hunger of a begger ... perhaps ur answer would be NOOO....

See ISLAM it will teach you the Hunger of a Begger .. its the Holy Month of Ramzan its teaching you all these good things & so the Money & Blessings comes out from each & every MUSLIM .....Even though their is o person who makes you to stop eating, drinking its the trust in God that makes us to do so & the payment of TAX an Islamic Duty is must on the profittable things you make in an Year.. Dont you feel that this will make the poor people in a gud position...

moreover Islam teaches that we are ONE in front of Gud not like any other religion that Poor people are left behind .. we pray to Allah in a Row Not-Considering any poor or Rich , A Qatari - or- An expatriate... A Black -or-White.... Learn my Dear its TIME to Belive

Their is lot of good things you can learn from ISLAM my Dear Just study you will know about it

Joanie was always portrayed as one elfin faced hot babe in those films.

I just think of Audrey Hepburn.

"Deaths in the Bible. God - 2,270,365

not including the victims of Noah's flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, or the

many plagues, famines, fiery serpents, etc because no specific numbers

were given. Satan - 10."

I was inspired and I refer you to:

"The most influential people in history have never had many friends and are often thought of the odd ball out!

Mostly because they go against the herd and pave the way as a leader!

I have always been willing to suffer the consequences of my actions. Including the consequences of vindictive people who have nothing better to do then cause havoc to those who disagree with them."

signed,

Joan of Arc

"Deaths in the Bible. God - 2,270,365

not including the victims of Noah's flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, or the

many plagues, famines, fiery serpents, etc because no specific numbers

were given. Satan - 10."

Exactly, there are too many contradictions to be the true word of God

Only God Can Judge Me

الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي

I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer

أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ

also don't believe in the bible as you believe it has been corrupted by man - yes?

Sorry could not understand what you are saying in your last post.

Peace

"Deaths in the Bible. God - 2,270,365

not including the victims of Noah's flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, or the

many plagues, famines, fiery serpents, etc because no specific numbers

were given. Satan - 10."

Do a search on Pythagoras of Samo, every cience man knows him.

"Pythagoras of Samos (Greek: Ὁ Πυθαγόρας ὁ Σάμιος, Pythagoras the Samian, or simply Ὁ Πυθαγόρας; born between 580 and 572 BC, died between 500 and 490 BC)"

Only God Can Judge Me

الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي

I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer

أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ

Ah comeon how factinate will it be if I say that everyone with you are justa fiction will someone incured with death in ur knowing What will you call that to be A fiction Come On man .. Just come out of Fiction

If i invited you to look at a site that questioned your views would you look at it?

regarding my signature it is merely a record of the deaths god caused versus the ones satan caused, someone counted them all up. That's all. by the way as I don't believe in gods or satan then it doesn't matter, as it is all a work of fiction to me.

"Deaths in the Bible. God - 2,270,365

not including the victims of Noah's flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, or the

many plagues, famines, fiery serpents, etc because no specific numbers

were given. Satan - 10."

i give u link to ur answers

http://www.irf.net/irf/comparativereligion/index.htm

I invite you to this site

Ur signature dsent turn U to be specific what is the exact meaning of deaths in bible ur speaking about clarrify

did not embrace Islam.

Never made a statement to the fact, nor did Neil Armstrong.

But if that is what you choose to believe, so be it. It just does not happen to be a fact.

"Deaths in the Bible. God - 2,270,365

not including the victims of Noah's flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, or the

many plagues, famines, fiery serpents, etc because no specific numbers

were given. Satan - 10."

"References to identifiable stars and constellations appear in the writings of Homer and Hesiod, the earliest surviving examples of Greek literature. In the Iliad and the Odyssey, Homer refers to the following celestial objects:

* the constellation Boötes

* the star cluster Hyades

* the constellation Orion

* the star cluster Pleiades

* Sirius, the Dog Star

* the constellation Ursa Major

Hesiod, who wrote in the early 7th century BCE, adds the star Arcturus to this list in his poetic calendar Works and Days. Though neither Homer nor Hesiod set out to write a scientific work, they hint at a rudimentary cosmology of a flat earth surrounded by an "Ocean River." Some stars rise and set (disappear into the ocean, from the viewpoint of the Greeks); others are ever-visible. At certain times of the year, certain stars will rise or set at sunrise or sunset.

Anaximander

Anaximander

Speculation about the cosmos was common in Pre-Socratic philosophy in the 6th and 5th centuries BCE. Anaximander (c.610 BC–c. 546 BC) described a cylindrical earth suspended in the center of the cosmos, surrounded by rings of fire. Philolaus (c. 480 BC–c. 405 BC) the Pythagorean described a cosmos with the stars, planets, Sun, Moon, Earth, and a counter-Earth (Antichthon)--ten bodies in all--circling an unseen central fire. Such reports show that Greeks of the 6th and 5th centuries were aware of the planets and speculated about the structure of the cosmos.

[edit] The planets in early Greek astronomy

The name "planet" comes from the Greek term πλανήτης, planētēs, meaning "wanderer", as ancient astronomers noted how certain lights moved across the sky in relation to the other stars. Five planets can be seen with the naked eye: Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, and Saturn. Sometimes the luminaries, the Sun and Moon, are added to the list of naked eye planets to make a total of seven. Since the planets disappear from time to time when they approach the Sun, careful attention is required to identify all five. Observations of Venus are not straightforward. Early Greeks thought that the evening and morning appearances of Venus represented two different objects, calling it Hesperus ("evening star") when it appeared in the western evening sky and Phosphorus ("light-bringer") when it appeared in the eastern morning sky. They eventually came to recognize that both objects were the same planet. Pythagoras is given credit for this realization.

The planets eventually received names drawn from Greek mythology. The equivalent names in Roman mythology are the basis for the modern English names of the planets."

source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_astronomy

Like i previouslly told you, astronomy was already known at Greece long time before Jesus of Nazareth.

Only God Can Judge Me

الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي

I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer

أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ

Dr. Maurice Bucaille, after a thorough research proved that although Rameses II was known to have persecuted the Israelites as per the Bible, he actually died while Moses (pbuh) was taking refuge in Median. Rameses II’s son Merneptah who succeeded him as Pharaoh drowned during the exodus. In 1898, the mummified body of Merneptah was found in the valley of Kings in Egypt. In 1975, Dr. Maurice Bucaille with other doctors received permission to examine the Mummy of Merneptah, the findings of which proved that Merneptah probably died from drowning or a violent shock which immediately preceeded the moment of drowning. Thus the Qur’anic verse that we shall save his body as a sign, has been fulfilled by the Pharaohs’ body being kept at the Royal Mummies room in the Egyptian Museum in Cairo.

This verse of the Qur’an compelled Dr. Maurice Bucaille, who was a Christian then, to study the Qur’an. He later wrote a book ‘The Bible, the Qur’an and Science’, and confessed that the author of the Qur’an can be no one else besides God Himself. Thus he embraced Islam

“The inspiration of the bible depends on the ignorance of the person who reads it.” (Robert G. Ingersoll)

excuse me but do you know who Ingersoll was? and what that quote means? I think not or you would not have copied and pasted it.

My cut'n'paste offers no view, just states the facts.

"Deaths in the Bible. God - 2,270,365

not including the victims of Noah's flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, or the

many plagues, famines, fiery serpents, etc because no specific numbers

were given. Satan - 10."

“Deaths in the Bible. God: 2,270,365 not including the victims of Noah’s flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, or the many plagues, famines, fiery serpents, etc. because no specific numbers were given. Satan: 10.” (Anonymous)

“The inspiration of the bible depends on the ignorance of the person who reads it.” (Robert G. Ingersoll)

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"Deaths in the Bible. God - 2,270,365

not including the victims of Noah's flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, or the

many plagues, famines, fiery serpents, etc because no specific numbers

were given. Satan - 10."

Surah at-Tariq 11

By Heaven with its cyclic system

This word in quran has interpretend meaning of sending back or returning

As known the atmosphere surrounding the earth consits of many layers. Each layers serves a large internal benifit.Researches revealed that these layers have the capability to turn the things coming from sky to back to sky or earth.

The IONOSPHERE has the capability of turning back the waves back to Earth... In this way the satellite function

"Deaths in the Bible. God - 2,270,365

not including the victims of Noah's flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, or the

many plagues, famines, fiery serpents, etc because no specific numbers

were given. Satan - 10."

Am waiting for your query

Its like you dont seem to ask

You are not clear with ur query

be specific what u need to know

In Quran

Al-Anbiya Aya 32

Allah says: We made the sky a preserved & protected roof yet still they turn away from our signs

As it means that their are man layers inbetween the Earh & the sky so we are protected

As the scientist describe that their are 7 layers

it's not what 'I' need to know, rather you need to know about pre-Islamic history, from all parts of the world. Glad you are happy with your beliefs but that does not mean you should be ignorant of anything outside those parameters.

Peace

"Deaths in the Bible. God - 2,270,365

not including the victims of Noah's flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, or the

many plagues, famines, fiery serpents, etc because no specific numbers

were given. Satan - 10."

try to give aspecific of what you need to know

"This is the first time i heard this thing"

Read more.

"Deaths in the Bible. God - 2,270,365

not including the victims of Noah's flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, or the

many plagues, famines, fiery serpents, etc because no specific numbers

were given. Satan - 10."

U are in confusion by your words that God has not created U like all others in this world Except Two

What do u think ur origin iProphets have been born from s from a Sperm

Now what do u call this sprem as U were no Where when u were born

it was God who made U stand Walk Type See & all

Kindly dont pin so irdious mesages

You dont feel pain when u get hurt & when ur sck u come to know about God what a sense when U need him u call him & when u dont u dis-obey Him

This is the first time i heard this thing Onto my knowledge this happend after only Mohammed came down to earth

Well canyou give a link so as to find it True or False

Aleem: Greeks had already a knowledge about the stars, they even called them their God's name, same with romans. Egyptians could fly in a plane during the Pharaoh times, all these happened around 1000 years before Mohammed (PBUH)

was born, so, it wasn't him the first to describe it.

Only God Can Judge Me

الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي

I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer

أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ

Quran is a word of God

U have to belive it as its a Word of God Do u eliv in Science if so go through Quran asits a book of Science

its menioned in it & our prophet SAS said that in the meddile east where their was a need of water earlier their will be tree & green carpets all over Now u can se this & u can truly find it

What do you say about the Satellites as described in Quran the earth is made up of 7 layers surrounded by it & the last layer passes of all the transmissions sent t it check how the satellites work on this ..........

U guys belive it before U die atleast...

this to prove that quran is word of GOD, and thats it is for ages, for all fields, and for all questions.

Adey: I agree with you in most points, i'll add here a theory that says that there is no God and that we, humans, are the result of allien experience, the 1st humans to be created would have been Adam and Eve, maybe paradise was a restricted area in the legendary city of Atlantis, some centuries later, Atlantis was destroyed and the few survivors ran and hidded all over the planet, did you know that Egyptians had built the 1st plane? In Civilization channel, cientists used that plane plans and built it and even tested it and it could plan (i mean flying without an engine).

It is said that the holly books aren't religious but scientific, the people of atlantis wrote them in a language easy to understand for the humans of that time, this may lead to the conclusion that we, Humans, were created in a lab and not as any of the holly books say about God/Allah creating us directly.

Sorry such a long post ;)

Only God Can Judge Me

الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي

I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer

أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ

that is what you believe - how do you know?

"Deaths in the Bible. God - 2,270,365

not including the victims of Noah's flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, or the

many plagues, famines, fiery serpents, etc because no specific numbers

were given. Satan - 10."

God is one, religions are many.

And that one god is compassionate and merciful.

---Life is Fragile, Handle with Prayer---

That's all very well but..... what if there is a god, you die and you find out you have been worshiping the wrong One! So many to choose from!

"Deaths in the Bible. God - 2,270,365

not including the victims of Noah's flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, or the

many plagues, famines, fiery serpents, etc because no specific numbers

were given. Satan - 10."

now who was that guy who said "I rather believe in a God and die than not believe in any and find out there is one, after death" ?

---Life is Fragile, Handle with Prayer---

The world is a university adey.. we learn till we die.. and the life after death is a mystery as the black holes in universe.. Just think of it.. we've discovered only a small percentage of the universe, the majority of the universe is still unexplored by man with all his scientific advances. When all those things are existing around us. We discover a lot of things, but we invent so little. Hope our experiment to find the big Bang theory works and science comes with new theories..

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ooopps.. why did i click on this thread.. excuse me, just passing by.. :)

[img_assist|nid=12867|link=none|align=left|width=|height=0]Nothing in life is to be feared. It is only to be understood.

We could have a civilised debate about your two main points regarding no errors and the most beautiful Arabic literature, but this is part of the Islamic faith so I fear it would only end badly.

If you're happy in your world view, so be it, and you certainly don't sound as if you would object to anyone holding contrary opinions.

Peace

"Deaths in the Bible. God - 2,270,365

not including the victims of Noah's flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, or the

many plagues, famines, fiery serpents, etc because no specific numbers

were given. Satan - 10."

After all this book is written by a human so it will always contradict and may have errors.. it's upon the new generation to find the real truth.. and Quran is God's words, and no errors were found in it till now.

The noble Quran was send to earth while the Arabic literature and poetry were at their peak. Still nobody in those days could place a literature that was as strong or could beat Quran in its strength.

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But his books are held up as 'scientific proof' of the existence of a deity - which they are not.

Well I see we may disagree - I was just countering the claim that his books are in anyway unbiased.

"Deaths in the Bible. God - 2,270,365

not including the victims of Noah's flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, or the

many plagues, famines, fiery serpents, etc because no specific numbers

were given. Satan - 10."

I'm not claiming everything will be true, still it can be a base for further research.. and you can find out the truth.. Adey.

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With all due respect to you, it is precisely because I have studied the holy books of many religions, the actions of their adherents and the history and development of religion that I can say, quite calmly and with no malice, that there are no such things as gods and there never have been.

And even if there were, the Quran offers no insight into science, as it has been all retro fitted by the likes of Dr Bacaille et al. He is still a hypocrite, because if as you say Allah exists, then Bacaille made money trying to prove it but yet did not convert. He couldn't even convince himself enough to submit to the prime protagonist of his books.

Take your acceptance of Allah from the Quran not from Bacaille because he, like his books, are fraudulent. I am not attacking your religion but I am pointing out that Bacaille's claims are bogus.

Peace

"Deaths in the Bible. God - 2,270,365

not including the victims of Noah's flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, or the

many plagues, famines, fiery serpents, etc because no specific numbers

were given. Satan - 10."

God is one, and only one.. whatever religion you believe in. Try to understand your god.. and recognise.. what all things you have been gifted by him...

Brother Adey..

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Try to study something, b4 you judge it. Else you will be a great looser. Be prepared to accept the truth, and not to get away from truth. Try studying Bible and Quran.. and see what you can get from it.

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Adey: I just started readind and i must say that the start is promising, when he talks about the several attempts made by religious leaders to try unify christianism and Islam to face together our worlds materialism.

Will keep reading it.

Only God Can Judge Me

الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي

I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer

أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ

"So how come no-one who read it over those hundreds of years had the presence of mind to put some of those scientific facts to use? Einstein must be really annoyed that he had to do all that maths himself when he could have just picked up a translation of the Qur'an to find out about special relativity. And so many diseases could have been prevented or cured if someone had thought to read this amazingly scientific book to find out about antibiotics. That bloke who - disastrously - invented both leaded petrol and chlorofluorocarbons really should have read the Qur'an too. Think how useful satellite navigation would have been in the desert..."

http://richarddawkins.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5325&start=425

"Deaths in the Bible. God - 2,270,365

not including the victims of Noah's flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, or the

many plagues, famines, fiery serpents, etc because no specific numbers

were given. Satan - 10."

is a fraud and a hypocrite of the highest order who just wrote what he thought his Saudi employers wanted to hear(Dr Bucaille was court physician to the King of Saudi - clearly he knew which side his bread was buttered). He has been roundly condemned by the scientific community for his books and they want nothing to do with him or his theories.

After revealing his 'truth' you would have thought that he would have immediately converted to Islam in order to be 'saved' - did he? Did he heck!!! He just took the money and ran.

Funny how this 'scientific truth' in the Qu'ran has only been peddled since the 1970's - before that, in the whole history of Islam, it was never mentioned or used as a justification for the truth contained in the holy books of any religion.

"Deaths in the Bible. God - 2,270,365

not including the victims of Noah's flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, or the

many plagues, famines, fiery serpents, etc because no specific numbers

were given. Satan - 10."

have read what i think is the same book, but quite some time back. would recommend it for those interested in religion and science.

let me read now,thank u for this post dear friend

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