Do not convert just to marry her. DO NOT BE FOUL!I converted myself after 12 years of marriege with moslem man. He did not ask me to do that just for him, he gave me freedom to choose BECAUSE it's writtten in the Quran that Religion is a freedom, you are free to choose.I choosed to change by myself by practising, ISLAM is just a relation with your GOD (between you and HIM), it is not a document. You should change after reading and deep thinking.
At the moment You must be happy to share the life with her for what you are and not for what you should be. BE ALWAYS YOURSELF AND BE PROUD , NONE SHOULD FORCE YOU EXPECIALLY HER (IF SHE LOVES YOU ).GOOD LUCK.
edifis, don't be so picky. I meant that the concept is easy to understand. The implications are not. I just attempted to give an explanation of how the 'Trinity' should be interpreted. It doesn't mean three individually separated units, they only exist as one. Ergo: God. However, within that configuration they can well act as single entities with different tasks.
Bernz, the concept of the "Trinity" is very abstract. I'd like to give you an example from physics: a proton consists of three distinct quarks, each with an electric charge, a spin, and a 'color'. All three together are what a proton is for the outside world. Once you want to separate them you'll find that there is not enough energy in the universe to do that. When the quarks are close together, they can do relatively freely whatever they want. And they might appear as single entities. But in the end they are 'confined' within the proton structure. The same applies to God father, the son, and the Holy Spirit. The may appear as single entities depending on the scale you look at them, but you can't separate them.
how can u say a christian is a monotheist , when they believe in the Trinity.. God the father , God the son, and the Holy spirit........ When i went to school . That added up , made 3.........
sorry , no choice.............. monotheism is believing in One true God. . which is the fundamental belief of all Muslims, and NOT Jews or Christians , these religions make {associations} ..
Guys, I believe it is very clear to all of us that Mr. Platao is not seriously or even innocently looking for our advice.
So lets all listen to MD's advice and "let’s all be Buddhists” with Platao and let him find his way by himself and AWAY of us. I.e. not to answer him anymore.
Did i ask you to trust me? I made 2 questions and you come insulting me? I wonder how strong is your faith, shouldn't be much to feal hurted with these simple questions.
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
I was talking about etiquettes of mentioning a hadith and by saying a chain of hadith doesn’t refer to its web link but rather the chain of how it was narrated (from which person to which person); I say I don’t trust you with any material.
You translated something from Portuguese to English, something which is already translated from Arabic to English, or Arabic to Portuguese and then to English.
You are a lost cause, just friggin marry this fictional woman and leave yourself in peace, for all we know Morrocon is the nationality of your blow up doll.
Still after all of the nonsense, I still think you're a liar, telling porkies left right and centre and an individual who can't make their own decisions rather had been asking around for someone to hold your hand, and spoon feed you all in the name of religion.
Adey: She told me she would have problems if i don't convert, i suspect the problems are that her mother is divorced and has been supported by the remaining familly, who may abandon or exclude them both from the familly if her mother would allow her to marry non muslim.
Mojo: All those hadiths were translated by me from portuguese, you wanna a link to the source?
www.ocaminhodapaz.net , still under construction and those hadiths are in another panflet i received when i went to the mosque.
Are you saying that they are lying at the panflets given?
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
Plato is clearly a lost cause and no has no hope of carrying out the intended, rather than wasting time with people who give their views on things which currently hold importance much closer to your heart than anything else.
To tone it down, it basically means go to your local mosque, ask them all the wnderful burning questions you have, once answered..marry the woman of your dreams...and stop posting on QL, and if it doesnt work out, still stop posting on QL.
Other than that and as gentle note if you are resorting to using Hadiths as a go between, please learn to narrate / write them properly, there is a way of doing everything properly, just because you have a burning desire to become a muslim for the love of your gf doesnt mean you can get away with a cut n paste job..who narrated these hadiths? where is the chain, just because YOU say bukhari doesnt mean I should agree to it.
how does your intended wife feel about all this? Does she only want you to convert for the sake of her parents and be seen as respectable in Morocco? On a personal level is she not too fussed?
If so then don't analyse it, just do it, forget about it and get on with your lives. It is only a piece of paper.
Peace man.
"Deaths in the Bible. God - 2,270,365
not including the victims of Noah's flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, or the
many plagues, famines, fiery serpents, etc because no specific numbers
There is only one guy here, who is in doubt, full of burning questions. All other posters have their opinion and do not want to change it. So, we need to help platao. And as the wise Buddha Siddharta (not a God at all) once said to a "doubting" person:" I know what is good for me, go and find out what is good for you. I cannot tell you." Let's all be Buddhists for a moment.
I think you are a Deist, which has an honourable history - a lot of the founding fathers of the US were deists rather than christens
"Deism is the belief that a supreme God exists and created the physical universe, and that religious truths can be arrived at by the application of reason alone, without dependence on revelation. It is in contrast with fideism, found in many forms of Christianity[1], Islamic and Judaic teachings, which holds that religious truths rely upon revelation in sacred scriptures and upon the testimony of other people as well as reasoning.
Deists typically reject most supernatural events (prophecy, miracles) and tend to assert that God has a plan for the universe, which he does not alter by intervening in the affairs of human life nor by suspending the natural laws of the universe. What organized religions see as divine revelation and holy books, most deists see as interpretations made by other humans, rather than as authoritative sources. Deists believe that God's greatest gift to humanity is not religion, but the ability to reason.
Deism became prominent in the 17th and 18th centuries during the Age of Enlightenment, especially in the United Kingdom, France and the United States, mostly among those raised as Christians who found they could not believe in either a triune God, the divinity of Jesus, miracles, or the inerrancy of scriptures, but who did believe in one god. Initially it did not form any congregations, but in time deism led to the development of other religious groups, such as Unitarianism, which later developed into Unitarian Universalism. It continues to this day in the form of classical deism and modern deism."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deism
"Deaths in the Bible. God - 2,270,365
not including the victims of Noah's flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, or the
many plagues, famines, fiery serpents, etc because no specific numbers
...if that's how you think. Platao, you still got your Catholic side in your query. If you're a monotheist you would've never consider such type of query in the first place.
"Everything in this book may be wrong." Illusions: The Adventures of The Reluctant Messiah by Richard Bach
Your a pretty confused guy. You say your religion is Monotheism.........then hellooooooooo./...........there is no reason to convert /revert........YOU ARE A MUSLIM...........
though im already western and have the ability to voice my concern publicly and I had said nothing which would offend you as its my opinion not a generalised opinion.
But if that still offends then there is very little that anyone can do to help.
Brit: I'll do it, i thought that these 2 questions were very simple and no one would confuse them, once again, you helped me out, thanks.
Regarding mojo/mrT: I wont even bother myself to get angry because you aren't worth of it, guys like you should be banned from entering any west country, your lack of education has been noticed.
Honestpedal:
"I wish you all the happiness in life - with or without her in your life. Do what is best for You then - for her. Priorities yourself in order to be forever happy.
I know how being in Love feels - that's why I got married - for Love!"
Thanks, sorry if i may have been a bite rude to you, if everything in the universe obey's Allah's laws than the love between me and my girlfriend was His responsability, so i'll obey his wishes, like Lucille Ball would sing:
"Que sera, sera
What ever will be, will be
Future ain't ours to see"
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
I agree with mojo, since I became a member of QL, i see him asking the same questions over and over and its getting pretty annoying to be honest, and than he openly shows that he doesnt agree with the islamic teachings and mock it all the time....seems like he met his GF online, does her parent even know about you??? and since you seems to have so many issues with muslims/islam than why accept the religion or want to accept it??? and as ben told by many, if you truly want to acquire the knowledge, than this is not the place.
I have been brought up to treat all equally and to respect all evenly. No gender or race makes a difference - to me.
I have met a lot of people that I would have surely been happy with to live happily ever after, but I always restricted my feelings for myself and put my faith in Allah between my eyes. Since this is the Religion that I chose, I follow its guides.
I wish you all the happiness in life - with or without her in your life. Do what is best for You then - for her. Priorities yourself in order to be forever happy.
I know how being in Love feels - that's why I got married - for Love!
i reckon this guy is bluffing...for 15 weeks he had been asking the same question sort of questions backwards and forth and still not ending up anywhere...so how about you just quit it.
If you are accepting your gf's parents wishes than obviously your gf isnt truly madly deeply in love with you, as she should accept you for who you are, or otherwise find a portugese girl who sets no conditions on your life.
But it wont do you any good if for 15 weeks you're still coming around and asking the same questions over and over and over again.
There's my 2 cents...this being a public forum and all.
With all due respect..Instead of asking here and starting another boring/silly discussion, why not just pop into the Local mosque or Islamic centre and ask them..
1st- My present religion is monotheism, just like Abraham and MOHAMMED (BEFORE CREATING iSLAM). As far as i have read it's pretty similar to Islam so wont be that different.
2nd - My "supposed" issues with Islam, when i went to the Mosque, i spoke with sheik and told him that i don't follow a religion blindly and he agreeded on that.
According to the panflets, we were given free will, God loves us all the same way, i would even say that thoose panflets contradict some statements some muslims have made here, later today i'll translate from portuguese another panflet i have.
Hero: lol :)
Leight Lee: Not really, we'll be living at Portugal and even if we didn't, it wouldn't interfere.
Honest pedal : 1 day you'll find love, some luck and you may meet a non muslim girl and feal you can't live without her, when it happens, let me know if you wouldn't make sacrifices for her, i'm leurning about Islam mainly for her because i never was a religious person. And i have met several muslims that aren't religious besides, if she marries with a non convert we can never go Morrocco and stay same house because ain't valid our marriage if i don't convert.
Philly: I'm slowlly leurning ;)
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
Honest Pedal, who said most non Muslims revert to marry Muslim women? You should be more careful before you make blanket statements like that. The majority of reverts who I have come into contact with (myself included)accepted Islam after studying not to get married!!!!
The reason behind most non-muslims who have converted was only to marry a Muslim girl. They know that they cannot have her any other way, unless she sins, and not all do.
Yes she should accept the man for who he is and for what he believes in, but us as Muslim females - we are restricted to standards and we cannot change them.
Its too complicated to discuss, but good luck.
Take more time to learn Islam and maybe the faith in Allah will grow in your heart - not for HER (the girl-friend) but for Allah himself.
I agree honestpedal , especially since in most of the posts plato seems to have a lot of issues with Islam beliefs, conflicting with his beliefs. Yes i know its for your love, but hey, it must be tough. Personally i wouldnt do it, your partner should accept you for who you are and its a shame her parents beliefs/opnions are more important than yours. I guess each to their own..
You need two male witnesses and no you dont have to change your name, and no for the last.
Plato since in your previous post you said you were attending a mosque for information and phamplets about Islam, its probably a good idea to ask all these questions there as well..
You shouldn't convert to Islam just because you want to marry a Muslim girl. It isn't right, at all. You should practice it and be convinced of the faith before jumping into it.
Think with your brains Platao36. You are only fooling yourself.
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Do not convert just to marry her. DO NOT BE FOUL!I converted myself after 12 years of marriege with moslem man. He did not ask me to do that just for him, he gave me freedom to choose BECAUSE it's writtten in the Quran that Religion is a freedom, you are free to choose.I choosed to change by myself by practising, ISLAM is just a relation with your GOD (between you and HIM), it is not a document. You should change after reading and deep thinking.
At the moment You must be happy to share the life with her for what you are and not for what you should be. BE ALWAYS YOURSELF AND BE PROUD , NONE SHOULD FORCE YOU EXPECIALLY HER (IF SHE LOVES YOU ).GOOD LUCK.
edifis, don't be so picky. I meant that the concept is easy to understand. The implications are not. I just attempted to give an explanation of how the 'Trinity' should be interpreted. It doesn't mean three individually separated units, they only exist as one. Ergo: God. However, within that configuration they can well act as single entities with different tasks.
Grade-6 means what age 10 yrs?
So, edifis? I normally use this example in Grade 6!
It's very Abstract.
And what is the 'container' for those three?
like 1)Brahma 2)Vishnu 3)Shiva
Bernz, the concept of the "Trinity" is very abstract. I'd like to give you an example from physics: a proton consists of three distinct quarks, each with an electric charge, a spin, and a 'color'. All three together are what a proton is for the outside world. Once you want to separate them you'll find that there is not enough energy in the universe to do that. When the quarks are close together, they can do relatively freely whatever they want. And they might appear as single entities. But in the end they are 'confined' within the proton structure. The same applies to God father, the son, and the Holy Spirit. The may appear as single entities depending on the scale you look at them, but you can't separate them.
No, christians belive that Jesus was God's son
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
how can u say a christian is a monotheist , when they believe in the Trinity.. God the father , God the son, and the Holy spirit........ When i went to school . That added up , made 3.........
Bernz: muslims/jews/christians are all monotheists
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
Jews believe in one true God so does the Christians, who ever said this was not true? Even Islam acknowledges this !!
"The best way to predict the future is to create it".
sorry , no choice.............. monotheism is believing in One true God. . which is the fundamental belief of all Muslims, and NOT Jews or Christians , these religions make {associations} ..
EG: I'll be budhist too, just that illeterates like you and some others can continue to feal that they owe Trueth.
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
Guys, I believe it is very clear to all of us that Mr. Platao is not seriously or even innocently looking for our advice.
So lets all listen to MD's advice and "let’s all be Buddhists” with Platao and let him find his way by himself and AWAY of us. I.e. not to answer him anymore.
Did i ask you to trust me? I made 2 questions and you come insulting me? I wonder how strong is your faith, shouldn't be much to feal hurted with these simple questions.
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
I was talking about etiquettes of mentioning a hadith and by saying a chain of hadith doesn’t refer to its web link but rather the chain of how it was narrated (from which person to which person); I say I don’t trust you with any material.
You translated something from Portuguese to English, something which is already translated from Arabic to English, or Arabic to Portuguese and then to English.
You are a lost cause, just friggin marry this fictional woman and leave yourself in peace, for all we know Morrocon is the nationality of your blow up doll.
Still after all of the nonsense, I still think you're a liar, telling porkies left right and centre and an individual who can't make their own decisions rather had been asking around for someone to hold your hand, and spoon feed you all in the name of religion.
mojo1981 (is having a field day with this one)
Lol Md :)
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
He will be on the "Black List", logic. Free to be killed.
LOgic: Spiritism is in all religions ;)
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
if you convert and it does noy work out, and what are the consequences if you want to change from Islam back to your present religion ?
"The best way to predict the future is to create it".
Adey: She told me she would have problems if i don't convert, i suspect the problems are that her mother is divorced and has been supported by the remaining familly, who may abandon or exclude them both from the familly if her mother would allow her to marry non muslim.
Mojo: All those hadiths were translated by me from portuguese, you wanna a link to the source?
www.ocaminhodapaz.net , still under construction and those hadiths are in another panflet i received when i went to the mosque.
Are you saying that they are lying at the panflets given?
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
Plato is clearly a lost cause and no has no hope of carrying out the intended, rather than wasting time with people who give their views on things which currently hold importance much closer to your heart than anything else.
To tone it down, it basically means go to your local mosque, ask them all the wnderful burning questions you have, once answered..marry the woman of your dreams...and stop posting on QL, and if it doesnt work out, still stop posting on QL.
Other than that and as gentle note if you are resorting to using Hadiths as a go between, please learn to narrate / write them properly, there is a way of doing everything properly, just because you have a burning desire to become a muslim for the love of your gf doesnt mean you can get away with a cut n paste job..who narrated these hadiths? where is the chain, just because YOU say bukhari doesnt mean I should agree to it.
think of these things aswell.
mojo1981
mojo1981
how does your intended wife feel about all this? Does she only want you to convert for the sake of her parents and be seen as respectable in Morocco? On a personal level is she not too fussed?
If so then don't analyse it, just do it, forget about it and get on with your lives. It is only a piece of paper.
Peace man.
"Deaths in the Bible. God - 2,270,365
not including the victims of Noah's flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, or the
many plagues, famines, fiery serpents, etc because no specific numbers
were given. Satan - 10."
There is only one guy here, who is in doubt, full of burning questions. All other posters have their opinion and do not want to change it. So, we need to help platao. And as the wise Buddha Siddharta (not a God at all) once said to a "doubting" person:" I know what is good for me, go and find out what is good for you. I cannot tell you." Let's all be Buddhists for a moment.
I think you are a Deist, which has an honourable history - a lot of the founding fathers of the US were deists rather than christens
"Deism is the belief that a supreme God exists and created the physical universe, and that religious truths can be arrived at by the application of reason alone, without dependence on revelation. It is in contrast with fideism, found in many forms of Christianity[1], Islamic and Judaic teachings, which holds that religious truths rely upon revelation in sacred scriptures and upon the testimony of other people as well as reasoning.
Deists typically reject most supernatural events (prophecy, miracles) and tend to assert that God has a plan for the universe, which he does not alter by intervening in the affairs of human life nor by suspending the natural laws of the universe. What organized religions see as divine revelation and holy books, most deists see as interpretations made by other humans, rather than as authoritative sources. Deists believe that God's greatest gift to humanity is not religion, but the ability to reason.
Deism became prominent in the 17th and 18th centuries during the Age of Enlightenment, especially in the United Kingdom, France and the United States, mostly among those raised as Christians who found they could not believe in either a triune God, the divinity of Jesus, miracles, or the inerrancy of scriptures, but who did believe in one god. Initially it did not form any congregations, but in time deism led to the development of other religious groups, such as Unitarianism, which later developed into Unitarian Universalism. It continues to this day in the form of classical deism and modern deism."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deism
"Deaths in the Bible. God - 2,270,365
not including the victims of Noah's flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, or the
many plagues, famines, fiery serpents, etc because no specific numbers
were given. Satan - 10."
I dunno if he has a 'self-philosophy' from the start.
"Everything in this book may be wrong." Illusions: The Adventures of The Reluctant Messiah by Richard Bach
You still going on about this?
heero, "confusianism" is not a religion, it's a philosophy.
...indicated on your 'book' or conduct of belief.
Actually, Platao, it's you who got everybody confused.
"Everything in this book may be wrong." Illusions: The Adventures of The Reluctant Messiah by Richard Bach
heero: u got me confused
what do u mean?
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
...if that's how you think. Platao, you still got your Catholic side in your query. If you're a monotheist you would've never consider such type of query in the first place.
"Everything in this book may be wrong." Illusions: The Adventures of The Reluctant Messiah by Richard Bach
Bernz: I wish it would be that easy, try to convince scholars ;)
Yes, i can be considered all but none at same time
I belive in God, but not the same that contradicts himself in all holly books.
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
As a "monotheist" he would have a choice, Bernz:
1. Judaism
2. Christianity
3. Islam
4. Aton follower (1300 BC)
and probably some others.
Your a pretty confused guy. You say your religion is Monotheism.........then hellooooooooo./...........there is no reason to convert /revert........YOU ARE A MUSLIM...........
Brotherhood
"Not one amongst you will have his Iman (faith) complete, except if it wishes to his brother the same he wishs for himself."
(Bukhari)
Love to the next one
"The Beliver is the font of love, and that (believer) that doesn't love (the next one), and that isn't loved by others, will loose his virtue"
(Mishkát)
Sincerety on your actions
All actions will be avaliated (in the day of the Final Judgement), according to it's intensions"
(Bukhári)
Kindness
"All those that are kind and dedicated towards Allah's creatures, it will receive his goodness and afection"
(Abu Daud)
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
you r free to state your opinion, even if you are lying.
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
though im already western and have the ability to voice my concern publicly and I had said nothing which would offend you as its my opinion not a generalised opinion.
But if that still offends then there is very little that anyone can do to help.
mojo1981
Brit: I'll do it, i thought that these 2 questions were very simple and no one would confuse them, once again, you helped me out, thanks.
Regarding mojo/mrT: I wont even bother myself to get angry because you aren't worth of it, guys like you should be banned from entering any west country, your lack of education has been noticed.
Honestpedal:
"I wish you all the happiness in life - with or without her in your life. Do what is best for You then - for her. Priorities yourself in order to be forever happy.
I know how being in Love feels - that's why I got married - for Love!"
Thanks, sorry if i may have been a bite rude to you, if everything in the universe obey's Allah's laws than the love between me and my girlfriend was His responsability, so i'll obey his wishes, like Lucille Ball would sing:
"Que sera, sera
What ever will be, will be
Future ain't ours to see"
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
I agree with mojo, since I became a member of QL, i see him asking the same questions over and over and its getting pretty annoying to be honest, and than he openly shows that he doesnt agree with the islamic teachings and mock it all the time....seems like he met his GF online, does her parent even know about you??? and since you seems to have so many issues with muslims/islam than why accept the religion or want to accept it??? and as ben told by many, if you truly want to acquire the knowledge, than this is not the place.
I have been brought up to treat all equally and to respect all evenly. No gender or race makes a difference - to me.
I have met a lot of people that I would have surely been happy with to live happily ever after, but I always restricted my feelings for myself and put my faith in Allah between my eyes. Since this is the Religion that I chose, I follow its guides.
I wish you all the happiness in life - with or without her in your life. Do what is best for You then - for her. Priorities yourself in order to be forever happy.
I know how being in Love feels - that's why I got married - for Love!
i reckon this guy is bluffing...for 15 weeks he had been asking the same question sort of questions backwards and forth and still not ending up anywhere...so how about you just quit it.
If you are accepting your gf's parents wishes than obviously your gf isnt truly madly deeply in love with you, as she should accept you for who you are, or otherwise find a portugese girl who sets no conditions on your life.
But it wont do you any good if for 15 weeks you're still coming around and asking the same questions over and over and over again.
There's my 2 cents...this being a public forum and all.
mojo1981
With all due respect..Instead of asking here and starting another boring/silly discussion, why not just pop into the Local mosque or Islamic centre and ask them..
1st- My present religion is monotheism, just like Abraham and MOHAMMED (BEFORE CREATING iSLAM). As far as i have read it's pretty similar to Islam so wont be that different.
2nd - My "supposed" issues with Islam, when i went to the Mosque, i spoke with sheik and told him that i don't follow a religion blindly and he agreeded on that.
According to the panflets, we were given free will, God loves us all the same way, i would even say that thoose panflets contradict some statements some muslims have made here, later today i'll translate from portuguese another panflet i have.
Hero: lol :)
Leight Lee: Not really, we'll be living at Portugal and even if we didn't, it wouldn't interfere.
Honest pedal : 1 day you'll find love, some luck and you may meet a non muslim girl and feal you can't live without her, when it happens, let me know if you wouldn't make sacrifices for her, i'm leurning about Islam mainly for her because i never was a religious person. And i have met several muslims that aren't religious besides, if she marries with a non convert we can never go Morrocco and stay same house because ain't valid our marriage if i don't convert.
Philly: I'm slowlly leurning ;)
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
I have lived my life for a full (over 25 years) and I have met too many who have converted for being with a women.
I did not point fingers at anyone - so I don't think you should be sensitive about anything that I say.
In Arabic we say, ilKhair yikhis - ou ilShar yi'2im, which means ((the good is of one, the bad is generalized)). I hope that is understood.
Good luck and Allah yahdi man yasha2!
Honest Pedal, who said most non Muslims revert to marry Muslim women? You should be more careful before you make blanket statements like that. The majority of reverts who I have come into contact with (myself included)accepted Islam after studying not to get married!!!!
Ibrahim Fletcher
my mistake AMCM, i was mistakenly thinking of marriage..
Platao, you do not need any witnesses to become a Muslim. It is as simple as KNOWING and pronouncing the shahadatain with the correct intention.
They call it the American dream because you have to be asleep to see it... --George Carlin
...then we'll tell Platao to stop thinking Morocco girlfriends and Portugal.
"Everything in this book may be wrong." Illusions: The Adventures of The Reluctant Messiah by Richard Bach
before you get married to a Morrocan
The reason behind most non-muslims who have converted was only to marry a Muslim girl. They know that they cannot have her any other way, unless she sins, and not all do.
Yes she should accept the man for who he is and for what he believes in, but us as Muslim females - we are restricted to standards and we cannot change them.
Its too complicated to discuss, but good luck.
Take more time to learn Islam and maybe the faith in Allah will grow in your heart - not for HER (the girl-friend) but for Allah himself.
I agree honestpedal , especially since in most of the posts plato seems to have a lot of issues with Islam beliefs, conflicting with his beliefs. Yes i know its for your love, but hey, it must be tough. Personally i wouldnt do it, your partner should accept you for who you are and its a shame her parents beliefs/opnions are more important than yours. I guess each to their own..
You need two male witnesses and no you dont have to change your name, and no for the last.
Plato since in your previous post you said you were attending a mosque for information and phamplets about Islam, its probably a good idea to ask all these questions there as well..
You shouldn't convert to Islam just because you want to marry a Muslim girl. It isn't right, at all. You should practice it and be convinced of the faith before jumping into it.
Think with your brains Platao36. You are only fooling yourself.