If you want to know more on what famous people say about our propphet Muhammed then please have a look at the following slides.
Please see the attachment
Yes Alma, I saw your previous link to another site with the same symbol as the link you just posted. That is still not the same symbol the Nazis used. Notice the ends of the cross. In your picture reference, they point to the left. In the Nazi version they pointed to the right. Furthermore, the Nazis turned to symbol 45 degrees, so the outer shape resembles a diamond more than a square. No difference you might say. Try taking a crucifix, change nothing except turning it upside down and present it to a christian. Even the same figure in two different angles, are perceived quite differently.
If everything seems under control, you're just not going fast enough...
edifis your questions are very good ... there is a sentence in the Koran telling that GOD is very angry with those who forbid something that God did not forbid at all !
In spite of that sentence the daily practice is full of bans which can not be justified by the Koran .... one of them is this illustration ban ...
good wrk brother khalid,khalifk and sisters qatarita AND qatar lady ..u guys r doing a good job...MAY ALLAH(S.W.T) reward u fr dis...FUNICULUS ur sick..!LA ILLA HA ILLALA MUHAMMAD DUR RASOOL ALLAH....
The danish artist who made the drawings is very stubid because many Danish do not know who is Muhammed PBUH, then they will say who is this Muhammed and eventually some Danish will convert to Islam because they will know the pure history of Muhammed.
I have heard also that the Danish artist go burnt and died, can someone say if this really happened?
True QL: But the problem here is that to me there is no prophet, and therefore I cannot insult him. To you the Swastika is "only used by the Nazis" and since "the Nazis no longer exists", you can't see that that can be an insult. You see, there is no right and wrong when you're are talking about feelings and beliefs. Therefore, Muslims go completely overboard when they want to kill a journalist, want to burn down a newspaper, and rape all danish women. Jews, I'm sure do not go overboard because of some drawings that is an insult them (although they DO go overboard in just about any other department).
If everything seems under control, you're just not going fast enough...
Magic Dragon ""Our prophet Muhammad represents Islam". Do you think he is happy about what Muslims do? I think you and your brothers represent Islam. Muhammed represents the pure religion. You give him a hard time to look good"
As always very observant, and you have clearly dispalyed an understanding of the Prophet even though you are not muslim. Thank you.
I couldn't agree more, The prophet Mohammed PBUH teachings, manners, righteousness and clarity ofjustice are wasted on many of those who consider themselves Muslims in this day and age.
When I said that I was referring to the fact that the swastika is not a sacred symbol to anyone as it was only used by the Nazis and the Nazis no more exist. ( Now edifis says it IS a sacred symbol where he comes from).
QL said: Who could be insulted by using this swastika? Besides, The Israelis are justifying their aggression towards the Palestinians by what their ancestors suffered at the hands of the Nazis even though it's really irrelevant!
Thank you QL. What is irrelevant to you is VERY VERY important to others. Yet, if you, out of ignorance or simply because you couldn't care less, insult people by using the swastika or give insensitive comments about it, it's ok.'
When a cartoonist make a drawing of your prophet, he didn't do it because he couldn't care less or out of ignorance. But it is not his prophet and he should've been able to do what he wants, just like you can. But nooo.... All people are equal - some are just more equal than others, I guess.
If everything seems under control, you're just not going fast enough...
PM, you speak like a mad woman! If by chance a fanatic like Hitler used the Holy Cross as his symbol while the nazis carried out their massacre, would you then have said the same thing about the cross!!
Please be sensible and think deeper into the matter before you post such stupid comments. The significance of the swastika may not matter to you as you do not use it in your ceremonies, but it is used in most of our religious ceremonies. If I do not make it clear then someday people might call me a nazi and hate me if they see me using that symbol. And "use it" we frequently do!
represents anything good to Europeans and those who have seen the harm inflicted by the Nazi's under the flag bearing that symbol. I understand it represents god to you because you understand it's origins being something positive. But it is ludicrous to think that people who don't know anything about Indian history are going to deny their own recent history in favor of yours. Be realistic.
And frankly, I don't understand why some people insert themselves into threads only to tell everybody to stop discussing what they are discussing, but it is a common habit here.
Lastly, you can bitch about Americans all you want but the fact remains that the minute Israel attack Iran - Qatar is fucked. Kuwait and Qatar hold a great number of American bases known and secret it is this presence that makes you untouchable for the threads you are exposed to from Iran.
Now, the are a million reasons why and how, it does not matter. Arabs, Westerners and Jews all act according to their own best interest. The world is becoming smaller and we all need each other, or do you think Qatari's could have managed this country themselves? No, you needed Western knowledge and mentality to get the job done. Simple as that.
In the end, everybody is at fault at some stage. What is important now is that we manage to share this globe without aggression and violence, in tolerance.
Discussion/Debate, however, should exist. It IS healthy.
"People dying in western world suicides, divorces are increasing people are in distress, jobs vanishing, economies crashing and families dismantled.
Just show me 1 leader in the west who cares about people and not about his power and position"
Comparing Qatar to the rest of the world equals comparing apples with banana's. In Qatar the reality of life for Qatari's differs from 99% of the rest of the world.You are indeed lucky with your Sheikh.
But lets have a look at other countries like Sudan, Somalia, Indonesia, Yemen, Morocco, Egypt, Saudi and even Bahrain ...... and compare them to the west. The West seems to have things in order a bit better, don't you think?
USA traps peoplemakes them terrorist and show them on LIVE television and create a fear psychosis for their own people so they can merrily carry on their secret missions and than westerners come at arabs and muslims saying be reasonable.
Do you know Sr. Bush had given Saddam a green signal and corrupted his mind with the trilions.
Do you want to know the whole history of the Gulf War.
Do you know Saudi was the one who made peace between Iraq and Kuwait and pressurised america to stop the invasion.
Osama was a stooge of USA created to fight russia.
There are endless facts.
But you need a scapegoat.
Every two brothers have differences between them.
Is america going to make decision about every muslim household.
Muslims have the same image of White skinned soldier, we have seen tapes of Vietnam and your prisons and gauetonamo bay and what not. Do we start behaving like you.
Hypocracy at its best.You ban signs and direction of arms.
Protect feelings and not people.
People dying in western world suicides, divorces are increasing people are in distress, jobs vanishing, economies crashing and families dismantled.
Just show me 1 leader in the west who cares about people and not about his power and position.
We are so lucky our Emir H.H Shaik Hamad Bin Khalifa Al Thani has always come to the rescue of common people in his country and created new avenues for social justice, Education and reforms.
History is nice, but irrelevant. What has been done can not be turned back.
What would have happened if Osama Bin Laden was allowed by the Saudies to liberate Kuwait? He would have managed? Iraq would have won and because of choosing Osama be at foot of war with Saudi?
Muslims and the Middle East -
What has A - Arabs/Middle East largely to do with B - Muslims. Well, I tried to explain you that people can not distinct between them. Every time a simple Westerner that has TV-set hears Allah Ikbar (or whatever) and gets an image of a guy with a Kalashnikov, covered face and some threads, it seems logic that a Westerner will think - Ah, Muslims. It seems logic the Westerners think Osama is a Muslim, it seems logic that Westerners think a Muslim has thrown mustard gas on his own people in Iraq, it seems logic that a small boy dressed up as a military commando in Palestine is related to Muslims.
Again, I may know better, but 90% of the DOES NOT. That is why I say, negative marketing has led to negativism from the West.
And yes, there are a whole bunch of reason that have led us to where we are now. And yes, the West has spoiled a lot in this region. And yes, the Arabs among themselves are not the best of friends either. There is a big cultural gap between Christians and Muslims, the dominant world religions, and this causes loads and loads of MISunderstanding, false perceptions and confusion.
Happy to have a place like QL where we can freely discuss it.
When people comment with a bias on our culture and religion it is our right to protect our honour and preserve what our ancestors left for us for our ummah.
Osama, Saddam, Hamas and Hezbollah were on CIA payrolls for your information and after the USA and its allies were done with it they were desserted and that's why they came at them hardly, what has it got to do with the whole middleeast and especially Muslims.
I will never deny the poisonous finger of the US that stirs in Middle East affairs and creates misery.
But, are the Arabic nations without sin? No. Far from that.
And yes, Mr. Osama, Saddam, Hamas and Hezbollah (to name a couple) have damaged the worlds view of Islam. You can not expect that Westerners know in full what has happened, you can not expect that Westerners are able to distinct between Sunni, Shia and Wahhabism. People get fed information and base their judgments on that (at least, the ones that are in their own countries and have never been in an Arabic country), so it is up to Muslims to arrange how they market themselves to the world.
Fu if are so much concerned Christian missionaries are targetted in India by Hindu Saffron brigade priests butchered and nuns raped. Your governments are busy signing nuclear deals with India. Where is Human Rights? Only it is to target muslims because they are rich and prosperous!
Yes indeed, therefore I always hope that people like yourself that refuse to stay polite and can only come up with argumentum ad hominem go to sleep so I can have a decent discussion with intellectuals.
Thank you for the insults. I can see that you are a master in the debate.
Your aggressive approach confirms, yet again, my 'short fuse' theory.
An image of Mohammed or an image of a swastika, it is to me both evil as both creators know that it is 'evil' and extremely offensive to millions.
The ONLY ONE in this discussion that made some sense is QatarRita as she understands that it is not the symbol but what lies behind it. Further more have I not yet stated what my stance is on such cartoons.
And as goes for making fun of Jesus, Religion, God or whomever. I am happy I come from a part of the world where we can cope in a civil manner with such things, we CHOOSE not be offended. We CHOOSE not to take to the streets and raise hell. We CHOOSE to put it into perspective as we realize that different people have different opinions and under 'freedom of speech', we have to accept the presence as MATURE individuals that are functioning in multi-cultural societies.
"I say challenge, question, research and debate." - You're joking right?
When all sides know what they are talking about, then fine - challenge, question, research, and debate. But this will turn into a bashing thread - as others.
As I said numerous times before, you people lack entertainment in your lives.
FU if the war mongering atitude will stop. There will be peace in the world.
USA and its allies did not ever wage a war with a clear reason or intention. It was always for petro dollars or supremacy and look at the state of affairs in USA and its allies, they are coming for us to invest in their country. First Islam is blammed and muslims are terrorists now they have changed their opinion looking at our wealth and prosperity and suddenly become friendly.
Indeed, stop right there after your first sentence. If you can not handle a simple discussion. Move on. If you wish to read selectively and choose to comment on what you do not like because of your own little world. Move on. If you fail the understand the purpose of a forum. Move on.
You say disrespect, I say challenge, question, research and debate.
If I relate the black & white kufeya to terrorists just because a few suicide bombers used them, it will just not be fair. The kufeya can never be a symbol of violence just because a terrorist used it.
In the same way a swastika can never be called evil. As it is a symbol of goodness!
Funiculuc, i dunno if you are dumb or just act like one. I don't see any cartoon from arab world that makes fun of Jesus, Moses, Buddha, Ram, Confuscious or any religious figures. You can make cartoons about Arafat, Saddam, Ahmedi Najjad, Al-asad, Husni Mubarak and no one will burn any flag. Its dumbarses like you who will never let people be in peace.
Qatarilady stated the "The support of the US in killing the Palestinians and Iraqis is EXPLICIT and obvious to the naked eye. No room here for MISconception or MISinterepretation or MISunderstanding"
Would this explicit support of the US killing Iraqis also include Qatari support as we here host the largest military base that the US troops flew from to kill our fellow muslims in Iraq?
Maybe you could also explain this video of the Qatari government getting cozy with Levi not so long ago...doesnt look pro palectine to the naked eye
You seriously need some thing to entertain you in your life Funiculus Umbil.... If you like the post then so be it. If you don't, then just move along and read ahead. Why the disrespect?
Who is selling Islam? Religion isn't sold or bought. I don't think any religion would accept such negative vibes from anyone - so God help you.
You all argue, debate and discuss religion and NONE of you even know half of what it is all about. When you discuss it, you have to learn all other religions in order to explain the differences and preferences. But Qatar Living isn't the place for it.
I see Qatar Living turning into a Bashing, Political arena -- without referees.
Do get a life and enjoy it. If you have something to say, go out on the Doha Debates and say what you have. Propose these topics to people who really care. How many times will I have to say that here?
Qatarita, for your info the swastika is an ancient Hindu symbol which represents power of good. We even use the swastika symbol in our marriage or other holy occasions. We are not Nazis(not even close)
Swastika was not invented by Mr.Adolf Hitler. He just adopted it from India. He was fanatic enough to think that an ancient symbol like that would bring him good luck and help him to rise to the helm of world power!
Who could be insulted by using this swastika? Besides, The Israelis are justifying their aggression towards the Palestinians by what their ancestors suffered at the hands of the Nazis even though it's really irrelevant!
Conveniently you forget about the millions of people that have very bad memories of the swastika. With this you do not just attack some Jews, you attack the whole of Europe as they have suffered from this sign.
It is incorrect to compare A with B and justify A because it relates to you and approve of B because you just don't really give a damn, while you mock a sign that has killed millions of innocent people. If anything, if it was not for this sign, the swastika, the whole Palestinian conflict may have been avoided, thus this sign and its consequences has affected your people just as much as Europeans.
Arabs are making cartoons about ppl whose aggression is obvious and we see it everyday. The support of the US in killing the Palestinians and Iraqis is EXPLICIT and obvious to the naked eye. No room here for MISconception or MISinterepretation or MISunderstanding. The same goes to the Israelis. Yet Arabs did not make cartoons about Jesus or Moses or King David.
All the cartoons about Israel don't degrade the Prophet or belief of any Religion / Faith. It condemns the act of the people incharge of the affairs for the wrong doing. The definition of Defense is changed to Aggression incase of Israel like it was done during Hitler's time.
Any Cartoon with Islam / its messenger (PBUH) will be given a critcism, warning and need be steps or measures to protest against such wrong doing.
Islam is against Idol worship and Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) removed all the idols placed in Kabaa Shariefa.
During his lifetime nobody had made a picture or potrait about him. If his pictures were circulated it would have found way in every muslim household which would be against the spirit of Islam.
I have seen an illustration(in a book) in a reputable library showing Prophet Mohammed mounted on a horse. This was a hand sketch, showing only profile. Except this one picture, I have never seen any picture of the prophet. All other pictures in Western books have been blacked out by ink. Why is this? I thought only Allah has no form and there can be no image. But The prophet Mohammed(PBUH) was his messenger and a human. So why the restriction on his illustrations?
So, now that we have established that Muslims can only defend themselves I can only condone the boycott that followed after the cartoon as this cartoon was published in a domestic/local Danish newspaper, was not an act of violence, was not harming anybody physically and at most an issue of Danish Muslims.
The problem with many aggressive verses is that they are open for interpretation.
What is an attack? Physical? Psychological? Economical? And what is 'defined' an attack, somebody with a bit of 'tact' can twist it either way he wants.
There is much more to Islam and Allah's Messenger Holy Beloved Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) than stories and if the believers are wrong Islam cannot be wronged for that.
I enjoy this arguements of yours but you need to tell me how any other religion is better than Islam if you really want to prove your point. Instead of criticising people. Nobody is selling Islam here, zikr about Islam,almighty allah and his noble modest Holy Beloved Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) and Daawa about Islam is what we will do till we all unite before Almighty Allah.
Keep the slang for yourself it will be so usefull back at your home country.
This verse came when there was a fight between the Muslims and Non Muslims and God said to the the Muslims if you fight those non Muslims I will punish them (The non Muslims will suffer more because God is also against them), and at that time some Muslims hated the non Muslims to a very big extent and the verse came to push the Muslims forward and calm them down.
Also you have to know the fighting conditions:
1. No fighting who does not fight you either child or man or woman or old man or old woman.
2. Not cutting any tree
3. Not fighting some one who does not have weapon.
Please, don't "assume" anything, Tiger. That's the beginning of misunderstanding. But I appreciate that you share my view about the outstanding quality of Muhammed.
"Our prophet Muhammad represents Islam". Do you think he is happy about what Muslims do? I think you and your brothers represent Islam. Muhammed represents the pure religion. You give him a hard time to look good.
So you are a bunch of Hypocrites that can freely insult anybody, yet if you get insulted you can label them "infidel" and issue Fatwa number 5536872319?
I assume this makes it all 'okay':
"Fight them, and Allah will punish them by your hands, cover them with shame, help you (to victory) over them, heal the breasts of Believers"
Why I say this Khalid, you pretend to be 'holier than thou', yet you do not have the decency to utter a word of regret with regards to these cartoons, which tells me that you agree with them.
Everybody has his/her own conception of what this and that should be, even Muslims differ in opinions, have denominations, thus have misconceptions.
Please do not use a Danish Cartoonist as example, a cartoon is a cartoon and can never be fact, a cartoon is a satirical sketch of a perception. It amazed me how suddenly half the Arabic world was interested in Danish newspapers.
http://www.tomgrossmedia.com/ArabCartoons.htm
Here is a nice selection of cartoons that have been in the Arabic Media. I have not seen anybody in Europe burn flags, attack embassies or boycott the middle east over this. We may be offended, but know that it is merely a cartoon and since we enjoy freedom of speech understand that this is a result.
Thank you Master78 for posting this without prosletyzing, I am not Muslim but welcome the opportunities to learn more about the Prophet Mohammed (PBUH) and your faith.
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Yes Alma, I saw your previous link to another site with the same symbol as the link you just posted. That is still not the same symbol the Nazis used. Notice the ends of the cross. In your picture reference, they point to the left. In the Nazi version they pointed to the right. Furthermore, the Nazis turned to symbol 45 degrees, so the outer shape resembles a diamond more than a square. No difference you might say. Try taking a crucifix, change nothing except turning it upside down and present it to a christian. Even the same figure in two different angles, are perceived quite differently.
If everything seems under control, you're just not going fast enough...
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i replied to someone who claimed in her previous post that this symbol is not a sacred one
not the same symbol? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Photo_of_rss_member.jpg
Alma Wad: It's not the same symbol... I can't see what your link is referring to in terms of illustration ban. But the general point is very good. ;-)
If everything seems under control, you're just not going fast enough...
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it is sacred for some : have a look at this buddhist temple in south korea
http://nicoleb.org/b2/media/blogs/NicoleB/Korea/Korea2006/donghwasa%20temple%20lomo.jpg
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edifis your questions are very good ... there is a sentence in the Koran telling that GOD is very angry with those who forbid something that God did not forbid at all !
In spite of that sentence the daily practice is full of bans which can not be justified by the Koran .... one of them is this illustration ban ...
I like the Buddha and his religion.....Buddhism.
good wrk brother khalid,khalifk and sisters qatarita AND qatar lady ..u guys r doing a good job...MAY ALLAH(S.W.T) reward u fr dis...FUNICULUS ur sick..!LA ILLA HA ILLALA MUHAMMAD DUR RASOOL ALLAH....
agree gypsy
No, I don't want to know more. The more I learn about Islam the less I like it or respect it.
The danish artist who made the drawings is very stubid because many Danish do not know who is Muhammed PBUH, then they will say who is this Muhammed and eventually some Danish will convert to Islam because they will know the pure history of Muhammed.
I have heard also that the Danish artist go burnt and died, can someone say if this really happened?
True QL: But the problem here is that to me there is no prophet, and therefore I cannot insult him. To you the Swastika is "only used by the Nazis" and since "the Nazis no longer exists", you can't see that that can be an insult. You see, there is no right and wrong when you're are talking about feelings and beliefs. Therefore, Muslims go completely overboard when they want to kill a journalist, want to burn down a newspaper, and rape all danish women. Jews, I'm sure do not go overboard because of some drawings that is an insult them (although they DO go overboard in just about any other department).
If everything seems under control, you're just not going fast enough...
Magic Dragon ""Our prophet Muhammad represents Islam". Do you think he is happy about what Muslims do? I think you and your brothers represent Islam. Muhammed represents the pure religion. You give him a hard time to look good"
As always very observant, and you have clearly dispalyed an understanding of the Prophet even though you are not muslim. Thank you.
I couldn't agree more, The prophet Mohammed PBUH teachings, manners, righteousness and clarity ofjustice are wasted on many of those who consider themselves Muslims in this day and age.
Qatarita
When I said that I was referring to the fact that the swastika is not a sacred symbol to anyone as it was only used by the Nazis and the Nazis no more exist. ( Now edifis says it IS a sacred symbol where he comes from).
QL said: Who could be insulted by using this swastika? Besides, The Israelis are justifying their aggression towards the Palestinians by what their ancestors suffered at the hands of the Nazis even though it's really irrelevant!
Thank you QL. What is irrelevant to you is VERY VERY important to others. Yet, if you, out of ignorance or simply because you couldn't care less, insult people by using the swastika or give insensitive comments about it, it's ok.'
When a cartoonist make a drawing of your prophet, he didn't do it because he couldn't care less or out of ignorance. But it is not his prophet and he should've been able to do what he wants, just like you can. But nooo.... All people are equal - some are just more equal than others, I guess.
If everything seems under control, you're just not going fast enough...
PM.. did you just insert yourself into this thread to ask me to stop clarifying about the swastika?
PM, you speak like a mad woman! If by chance a fanatic like Hitler used the Holy Cross as his symbol while the nazis carried out their massacre, would you then have said the same thing about the cross!!
Please be sensible and think deeper into the matter before you post such stupid comments. The significance of the swastika may not matter to you as you do not use it in your ceremonies, but it is used in most of our religious ceremonies. If I do not make it clear then someday people might call me a nazi and hate me if they see me using that symbol. And "use it" we frequently do!
represents anything good to Europeans and those who have seen the harm inflicted by the Nazi's under the flag bearing that symbol. I understand it represents god to you because you understand it's origins being something positive. But it is ludicrous to think that people who don't know anything about Indian history are going to deny their own recent history in favor of yours. Be realistic.
And frankly, I don't understand why some people insert themselves into threads only to tell everybody to stop discussing what they are discussing, but it is a common habit here.
I didn't drink the kool-aid! -- PM
Khalifk,
Lastly, you can bitch about Americans all you want but the fact remains that the minute Israel attack Iran - Qatar is fucked. Kuwait and Qatar hold a great number of American bases known and secret it is this presence that makes you untouchable for the threads you are exposed to from Iran.
Now, the are a million reasons why and how, it does not matter. Arabs, Westerners and Jews all act according to their own best interest. The world is becoming smaller and we all need each other, or do you think Qatari's could have managed this country themselves? No, you needed Western knowledge and mentality to get the job done. Simple as that.
In the end, everybody is at fault at some stage. What is important now is that we manage to share this globe without aggression and violence, in tolerance.
Discussion/Debate, however, should exist. It IS healthy.
When you cannot answer allegiate nice.
When you have nothing to say call it finger pointing and mud throwing
When someone makes you speechless dont accept your fault call him uncivilsed
Thank You
God Bless You
Now you choose to be silent.
Khalif,
at 3.34 I was very silent indeed, asleep!
Khalifk,
I do not want to start a finger pointing and mud throwing discussion however
"Do we start behaving like you?"
This is simple to answer:
No. You behave in your own manner. Just as uncivilized.
Khalif
"People dying in western world suicides, divorces are increasing people are in distress, jobs vanishing, economies crashing and families dismantled.
Just show me 1 leader in the west who cares about people and not about his power and position"
Comparing Qatar to the rest of the world equals comparing apples with banana's. In Qatar the reality of life for Qatari's differs from 99% of the rest of the world.You are indeed lucky with your Sheikh.
But lets have a look at other countries like Sudan, Somalia, Indonesia, Yemen, Morocco, Egypt, Saudi and even Bahrain ...... and compare them to the west. The West seems to have things in order a bit better, don't you think?
Does that mean Im a terrorist as well ?
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Long hours of devoted prayer and introspection whilst waiting for husband. I love husband.
Truth is always difficult to digest.
Do you have any reason to justify.
Now you choose to be silent.
God Bless You Fu
Good Night
Western game plan has always been divide and rule.
You dont want nations to be built economies to prosper people be enlightened and empowered.
Because it threatens your supremecy over the world.
Conflicts have been created and differences increased by USA and its allies read any unbiassed history book you will get your answer.
USA traps peoplemakes them terrorist and show them on LIVE television and create a fear psychosis for their own people so they can merrily carry on their secret missions and than westerners come at arabs and muslims saying be reasonable.
what a nice example of double standards
FU
Thank You
God Bless You
Do you know Sr. Bush had given Saddam a green signal and corrupted his mind with the trilions.
Do you want to know the whole history of the Gulf War.
Do you know Saudi was the one who made peace between Iraq and Kuwait and pressurised america to stop the invasion.
Osama was a stooge of USA created to fight russia.
There are endless facts.
But you need a scapegoat.
Every two brothers have differences between them.
Is america going to make decision about every muslim household.
Muslims have the same image of White skinned soldier, we have seen tapes of Vietnam and your prisons and gauetonamo bay and what not. Do we start behaving like you.
Hypocracy at its best.You ban signs and direction of arms.
Protect feelings and not people.
People dying in western world suicides, divorces are increasing people are in distress, jobs vanishing, economies crashing and families dismantled.
Just show me 1 leader in the west who cares about people and not about his power and position.
We are so lucky our Emir H.H Shaik Hamad Bin Khalifa Al Thani has always come to the rescue of common people in his country and created new avenues for social justice, Education and reforms.
Khalif,
You have to stay reasonable... this contract killer, chose to take the contract, his motivation was in his own best interest.
History is nice, but irrelevant. What has been done can not be turned back.
What would have happened if Osama Bin Laden was allowed by the Saudies to liberate Kuwait? He would have managed? Iraq would have won and because of choosing Osama be at foot of war with Saudi?
Muslims and the Middle East -
What has A - Arabs/Middle East largely to do with B - Muslims. Well, I tried to explain you that people can not distinct between them. Every time a simple Westerner that has TV-set hears Allah Ikbar (or whatever) and gets an image of a guy with a Kalashnikov, covered face and some threads, it seems logic that a Westerner will think - Ah, Muslims. It seems logic the Westerners think Osama is a Muslim, it seems logic that Westerners think a Muslim has thrown mustard gas on his own people in Iraq, it seems logic that a small boy dressed up as a military commando in Palestine is related to Muslims.
Again, I may know better, but 90% of the DOES NOT. That is why I say, negative marketing has led to negativism from the West.
And yes, there are a whole bunch of reason that have led us to where we are now. And yes, the West has spoiled a lot in this region. And yes, the Arabs among themselves are not the best of friends either. There is a big cultural gap between Christians and Muslims, the dominant world religions, and this causes loads and loads of MISunderstanding, false perceptions and confusion.
Happy to have a place like QL where we can freely discuss it.
You hire a contract killer and don't pay him.
Than you blame Muslims for them.
When people comment with a bias on our culture and religion it is our right to protect our honour and preserve what our ancestors left for us for our ummah.
Osama, Saddam, Hamas and Hezbollah were on CIA payrolls for your information and after the USA and its allies were done with it they were desserted and that's why they came at them hardly, what has it got to do with the whole middleeast and especially Muslims.
Edifis,
The value of the sign has depreciated in the larger part of the world.
Not only Germans used it, also Russians and Afrikaners.
And there is something about the direction of the arms.
It is forbidden in quite some countries, not for no reason.
Khalifk,
I will never deny the poisonous finger of the US that stirs in Middle East affairs and creates misery.
But, are the Arabic nations without sin? No. Far from that.
And yes, Mr. Osama, Saddam, Hamas and Hezbollah (to name a couple) have damaged the worlds view of Islam. You can not expect that Westerners know in full what has happened, you can not expect that Westerners are able to distinct between Sunni, Shia and Wahhabism. People get fed information and base their judgments on that (at least, the ones that are in their own countries and have never been in an Arabic country), so it is up to Muslims to arrange how they market themselves to the world.
Fu if are so much concerned Christian missionaries are targetted in India by Hindu Saffron brigade priests butchered and nuns raped. Your governments are busy signing nuclear deals with India. Where is Human Rights? Only it is to target muslims because they are rich and prosperous!
For the last time, put it in your head please Swastika is Good, a symbol of power and goodnes and luck
Hitler & the Nazis wore boots and trousers and shirts too. He used an automobile. Are these evil too?
"will turn into a bashing thread"
Yes indeed, therefore I always hope that people like yourself that refuse to stay polite and can only come up with argumentum ad hominem go to sleep so I can have a decent discussion with intellectuals.
Hapy,
Thank you for the insults. I can see that you are a master in the debate.
Your aggressive approach confirms, yet again, my 'short fuse' theory.
An image of Mohammed or an image of a swastika, it is to me both evil as both creators know that it is 'evil' and extremely offensive to millions.
The ONLY ONE in this discussion that made some sense is QatarRita as she understands that it is not the symbol but what lies behind it. Further more have I not yet stated what my stance is on such cartoons.
And as goes for making fun of Jesus, Religion, God or whomever. I am happy I come from a part of the world where we can cope in a civil manner with such things, we CHOOSE not be offended. We CHOOSE not to take to the streets and raise hell. We CHOOSE to put it into perspective as we realize that different people have different opinions and under 'freedom of speech', we have to accept the presence as MATURE individuals that are functioning in multi-cultural societies.
Thanks for the Post, I hope I could share it with all my friends.
"I say challenge, question, research and debate." - You're joking right?
When all sides know what they are talking about, then fine - challenge, question, research, and debate. But this will turn into a bashing thread - as others.
As I said numerous times before, you people lack entertainment in your lives.
Good night
I do know the Nazi's history and how they tortured the jews in the holocaust. It's really out of proportion..
Good night..
FU if the war mongering atitude will stop. There will be peace in the world.
USA and its allies did not ever wage a war with a clear reason or intention. It was always for petro dollars or supremacy and look at the state of affairs in USA and its allies, they are coming for us to invest in their country. First Islam is blammed and muslims are terrorists now they have changed their opinion looking at our wealth and prosperity and suddenly become friendly.
PITTSTOP.
"If you like the post then so be it"
Indeed, stop right there after your first sentence. If you can not handle a simple discussion. Move on. If you wish to read selectively and choose to comment on what you do not like because of your own little world. Move on. If you fail the understand the purpose of a forum. Move on.
You say disrespect, I say challenge, question, research and debate.
If I relate the black & white kufeya to terrorists just because a few suicide bombers used them, it will just not be fair. The kufeya can never be a symbol of violence just because a terrorist used it.
In the same way a swastika can never be called evil. As it is a symbol of goodness!
Ah look, if you do not know what you are looking at QatariLady I understand that you do not see the harm in a cartoon.
And if you do not know history, besides your own, well enough. I understand.
ediff, ok you have dibs on the swastika, okay? :)
Still the symbol no matter where its origins causes grief to the humans who suffered from it.
As will the palestinian 'kufeya' black and white head dress in many years to come
Funiculuc, i dunno if you are dumb or just act like one. I don't see any cartoon from arab world that makes fun of Jesus, Moses, Buddha, Ram, Confuscious or any religious figures. You can make cartoons about Arafat, Saddam, Ahmedi Najjad, Al-asad, Husni Mubarak and no one will burn any flag. Its dumbarses like you who will never let people be in peace.
Qatarilady stated the "The support of the US in killing the Palestinians and Iraqis is EXPLICIT and obvious to the naked eye. No room here for MISconception or MISinterepretation or MISunderstanding"
Would this explicit support of the US killing Iraqis also include Qatari support as we here host the largest military base that the US troops flew from to kill our fellow muslims in Iraq?
Maybe you could also explain this video of the Qatari government getting cozy with Levi not so long ago...doesnt look pro palectine to the naked eye
You seriously need some thing to entertain you in your life Funiculus Umbil.... If you like the post then so be it. If you don't, then just move along and read ahead. Why the disrespect?
Who is selling Islam? Religion isn't sold or bought. I don't think any religion would accept such negative vibes from anyone - so God help you.
You all argue, debate and discuss religion and NONE of you even know half of what it is all about. When you discuss it, you have to learn all other religions in order to explain the differences and preferences. But Qatar Living isn't the place for it.
I see Qatar Living turning into a Bashing, Political arena -- without referees.
Do get a life and enjoy it. If you have something to say, go out on the Doha Debates and say what you have. Propose these topics to people who really care. How many times will I have to say that here?
Itmaliloon.
I miss the old QL.
Muslims are peace loving peopl most of the time. Dont hurt our peace, hurt our sentiments or our faith.
We will solicite peace and blessings for our friends
Qatarita, for your info the swastika is an ancient Hindu symbol which represents power of good. We even use the swastika symbol in our marriage or other holy occasions. We are not Nazis(not even close)
Swastika was not invented by Mr.Adolf Hitler. He just adopted it from India. He was fanatic enough to think that an ancient symbol like that would bring him good luck and help him to rise to the helm of world power!
Thanx..
Funiculus..
Who could be insulted by using this swastika? Besides, The Israelis are justifying their aggression towards the Palestinians by what their ancestors suffered at the hands of the Nazis even though it's really irrelevant!
the swastika is that square like sign that signified natzism
What's swastika?
QatariLady,
Conveniently you forget about the millions of people that have very bad memories of the swastika. With this you do not just attack some Jews, you attack the whole of Europe as they have suffered from this sign.
It is incorrect to compare A with B and justify A because it relates to you and approve of B because you just don't really give a damn, while you mock a sign that has killed millions of innocent people. If anything, if it was not for this sign, the swastika, the whole Palestinian conflict may have been avoided, thus this sign and its consequences has affected your people just as much as Europeans.
Evil = Evil, no matter what.
[quote:] "But I appreciate that you share my view about the outstanding quality of Muhammed."
This is an award-winning sentence. Thank you, MD.
Arabs are making cartoons about ppl whose aggression is obvious and we see it everyday. The support of the US in killing the Palestinians and Iraqis is EXPLICIT and obvious to the naked eye. No room here for MISconception or MISinterepretation or MISunderstanding. The same goes to the Israelis. Yet Arabs did not make cartoons about Jesus or Moses or King David.
All the cartoons about Israel don't degrade the Prophet or belief of any Religion / Faith. It condemns the act of the people incharge of the affairs for the wrong doing. The definition of Defense is changed to Aggression incase of Israel like it was done during Hitler's time.
Any Cartoon with Islam / its messenger (PBUH) will be given a critcism, warning and need be steps or measures to protest against such wrong doing.
Also one of the definition for a Muslim is the following:
A Muslim is a person who does not hurt any person by any mean.
Extremist Muslims will always be a source of problem.
Also we should know that the neighbor of our prophet Muhammad was Jews.
For me a Cartoon will not hide the Sun.
A good Muslim will always be open minded to others and knows what is going around him and analyze things properly.
See we believe that it is forbidden to make something close to God creation by drawing for example or any other mean.
It could mean that those who draw persons are like if they are challenging God and say they are perfect in reflecting God creation.
And off course those who challenge God will be losers at the end.
I know that this answer may not be convincing at all but I promise to get better answer.
My point being that nobody ever says anything about such cartoons, but one stupid cartoon about Mo, and the flag burning ritual starts all over again.
Do you think, Khalid, that at times Muslims have a bit of a short fuse and should lighten up a bit?
Good question Edifis,
And I would still like to know Khalid his stance on the previously asked question what he thinks of cartoons like this:
Islam is against Idol worship and Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) removed all the idols placed in Kabaa Shariefa.
During his lifetime nobody had made a picture or potrait about him. If his pictures were circulated it would have found way in every muslim household which would be against the spirit of Islam.
I have seen an illustration(in a book) in a reputable library showing Prophet Mohammed mounted on a horse. This was a hand sketch, showing only profile. Except this one picture, I have never seen any picture of the prophet. All other pictures in Western books have been blacked out by ink. Why is this? I thought only Allah has no form and there can be no image. But The prophet Mohammed(PBUH) was his messenger and a human. So why the restriction on his illustrations?
Can any muslim friend enlighten me on this?
Thanks Khalid, I promise you I will have a look.
So, now that we have established that Muslims can only defend themselves I can only condone the boycott that followed after the cartoon as this cartoon was published in a domestic/local Danish newspaper, was not an act of violence, was not harming anybody physically and at most an issue of Danish Muslims.
The problem with many aggressive verses is that they are open for interpretation.
What is an attack? Physical? Psychological? Economical? And what is 'defined' an attack, somebody with a bit of 'tact' can twist it either way he wants.
The web site below is showing the meaning of the holy Quran verses
http://www.altafsir.com/Tafasir.asp?tMadhNo=2&tTafsirNo=73&tSoraNo=9&tAyahNo=14&tDisplay=yes&UserProfile=0&LanguageId=2
I hope you will share it with your colleagues for better understanding.
We can not delete, because God will punish those who try to delete anything from the holy Quran.
Also we have an arabic saying which says:
Who does not have past does not have future
As a reference nothing can be deleted from the holy Quran other wise the reference will not be reliable.
There is much more to Islam and Allah's Messenger Holy Beloved Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) than stories and if the believers are wrong Islam cannot be wronged for that.
I enjoy this arguements of yours but you need to tell me how any other religion is better than Islam if you really want to prove your point. Instead of criticising people. Nobody is selling Islam here, zikr about Islam,almighty allah and his noble modest Holy Beloved Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) and Daawa about Islam is what we will do till we all unite before Almighty Allah.
Keep the slang for yourself it will be so usefull back at your home country.
Thank You
God Bless You
So, why don't you kick this verse out all together as it holds no more value?
Good explanation though, although I wonder how many can give such an answer.
"Everything in this book may be wrong." Illusions: The Adventures of The Reluctant Messiah by Richard Bach
This verse came when there was a fight between the Muslims and Non Muslims and God said to the the Muslims if you fight those non Muslims I will punish them (The non Muslims will suffer more because God is also against them), and at that time some Muslims hated the non Muslims to a very big extent and the verse came to push the Muslims forward and calm them down.
Also you have to know the fighting conditions:
1. No fighting who does not fight you either child or man or woman or old man or old woman.
2. Not cutting any tree
3. Not fighting some one who does not have weapon.
and there are many other conditions.
I keep on telling him to speak English in the main forums so us people may understand what he always post around here.
It ain't working.
"Everything in this book may be wrong." Illusions: The Adventures of The Reluctant Messiah by Richard Bach
Anticipating a huge copy/paste story from Khalid on my last request.....
Please, don't "assume" anything, Tiger. That's the beginning of misunderstanding. But I appreciate that you share my view about the outstanding quality of Muhammed.
As you said
"Muhammed represents the pure religion"
so I assume you know him very well
"Our prophet Muhammad represents Islam". Do you think he is happy about what Muslims do? I think you and your brothers represent Islam. Muhammed represents the pure religion. You give him a hard time to look good.
I have it from AL-TAWBA (REPENTANCE, DISPENSATION)
So, this does not come from 'ze book' but from...?
Educate me, don't make it easy on yourself by giving such a weak reply.
Allahumma Salli alaa Muhammad wa alaa aali Muhammad, Kamasallayta alaa Ibrahim wa alaa aali Ibrahim.
Go and see the reason why this quote or verse came.
No comments
a good source would be
www.quranexplorer.com
Ah, funny Khalid,
So you are a bunch of Hypocrites that can freely insult anybody, yet if you get insulted you can label them "infidel" and issue Fatwa number 5536872319?
I assume this makes it all 'okay':
"Fight them, and Allah will punish them by your hands, cover them with shame, help you (to victory) over them, heal the breasts of Believers"
Why I say this Khalid, you pretend to be 'holier than thou', yet you do not have the decency to utter a word of regret with regards to these cartoons, which tells me that you agree with them.
Our prophet Muhammad represents Islam and insulting him by any mean insults Islam.
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QatariLady,
Everybody has his/her own conception of what this and that should be, even Muslims differ in opinions, have denominations, thus have misconceptions.
Please do not use a Danish Cartoonist as example, a cartoon is a cartoon and can never be fact, a cartoon is a satirical sketch of a perception. It amazed me how suddenly half the Arabic world was interested in Danish newspapers.
http://www.tomgrossmedia.com/ArabCartoons.htm
Here is a nice selection of cartoons that have been in the Arabic Media. I have not seen anybody in Europe burn flags, attack embassies or boycott the middle east over this. We may be offended, but know that it is merely a cartoon and since we enjoy freedom of speech understand that this is a result.
This is clearing misconceptions. The Danish cartoonists drew the false image that they had about the Prophet because they didn't know him well.
Thank you Master78 for posting this without prosletyzing, I am not Muslim but welcome the opportunities to learn more about the Prophet Mohammed (PBUH) and your faith.
Have a nice weekend!
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A wise young crackpot knows no fear - Ian Dury.
I wonder why you try soooooo hard to sell Islam, usually if something is 'good', of high quality and appealing, it sells itself.
Overselling makes people suspicious.
very nice post..God bless you
I found the true life in Qatar!
Bless you
Peace and Blessing be upon him from Allah
Nice post
ALLAH HU AKBAR - GOD IS GREAT
Peace and Blessings be upon him from Allah.
Subhanallah
Thank You Master78
Allah give you peace, prosperity, tranquility and all your hallal desires.
Ameen Thumma Ameen
Have a great weekend
KHALID
Peace and blessings of Allah be upon him and all those who view and read this ppt.
Thank you Master78 for sharing something like this.
Peace and blessings of Allh be upon him..