How Palestine Became Israel

listen Habeeby...

I do not Support going to other people's countries and bombing them, I feel sorry for the loss of lives around the world, these actions does not support our cause, but in stead widens the gap between us, but Imagine this.

A simple guy who watching his family being slaughtered (Iraq, Afghanistan, Palestine… etc) in front of his eyes, and look around and see all people are also losing somebody, everyone is screaming out of anger and feeling defeat, shouting against the silence of their governments who are standing still as if they are Deaf, but then realize that these governments are controlled by the superpowers.

That same guy, watches News and see those superpowers supporting the Aggressor (who by the way claim to be the peace keepers and the countries of democracy) against his people and calling his people (Terrorists), although his people are freedom fighters.

This guy has no refuge, he wants to do something but he cant.

Imagine how he feels.

Then Imagine 9/11.

AS YOU SOW, SO SHALL REAP

Airsupply: From where comes all that hate? Do you thing God will forget/forgive your words? Honestly, i think it would be good for you to spend somedays on a peace camp.

Only God Can Judge Me

الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي

I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer

أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ

I understand your anger and frustration. I get it and if I were you, I would be angry and frustrated, as well.

I see what is happening and what displeases you:

Arab nations are not united.

Muslim countries will NOT halt crude supplies to European and American backers of Isreal.

Muslims are not willing to give up their American products in protest.

Isreal is not going anywhere. They will remain and fight for "their" land.

Isreal is not removing all military from the borders.

Over a thousand lives have been lost, among those innocent children.

Westerners and Muslims need each other.

Knowing all the above, I would be as angry, frustrated and disappointed as well. I get it.

What I don't get is feeling so angry, frustrated and disappointed to a point of wishing people dead.

...I don't think most foreigners here HATE Arabs and Muslims. We get frustrated by them, confused by their behavior which if often not what we expect, irritated at all those cultural differences on occasion...but we don't HATE them.

And just because I live here, in Qatar, please don't expect me to whole-heartedly support the political policies of EVERY Arab country or group of Muslims (just as my being from the USA doesn't mean that I agree with everything my country does). I can have my own opinion about things -- different from the masses, different from other Americans, different from you. Doesn't mean I should pack my bags and go.

I understand YOUR irritation, though, because I have felt it too -- when I hear people winge and moan about how awful the US is. Yet these same people are the ones who want their kids to have a US passport, and send their children to our schools and universities because they're the best in the world. But you know what? You can complain about and criticize something and STILL acknowledge that there are some good aspects to it. Everything is not all black and white.

Habeeby I am talking about you guys living in the Middle East, and not only criticizing Arabs and Muslims, but going further to support Israel.

that is how I see it, correct me if I am wrong.

A person who does not speak out against the wrong is a mute devil.

Ummjake: It was a joke that was told but the original spoke about an Indian and a pakistani.

Ochiha: Go heal that complex of inferiority, or if you ever come to Portugal, i'll show you that there isn't that hate that you talk about against arabs or muslims.

Only God Can Judge Me

الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي

I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer

أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ

The crusade has started again against whom ever try to highlight any information regarding a very important event that has effected us and still until this right moment or guide the people to what happened.

I have one thing to say to all of you people, if you hate Muslims and Arabs that much, why the hell do you come to our land?

this fact is really killing me

some of you might say.... if you guys hate us that much, why do you guys go to our land?

My answer to that, I only represent my self, I dont care about what others say or do, and you should too.

A person who does not speak out against the wrong is a mute devil.

I think I understand the point you wanted to make, www.sit.com, but then I think -- so what that many modern-day countries weren't in existence during Moses's day? That fact alone doesn't really mean squat. So there weren't any Israelis back then? There also weren't any Muslims or a Prophet Mohammed at that time.

Judaism predates both Christianity and Islam, so if you're going to get into a "who was there first" argument, guess who has the trump card religiously?

I get SO tired of all the "who was there first" discussions...because it doesn't really matter at this stage of the game. All of North America was inhabited by native American Indians before the white Europeans came over and took over the whole place. Do you think that means that the US and Canada will be turning over their territory to the existing native tribes today? Nope. It's done. Khalas. Move on....

Ummjake: I agree with you and i doubt any of them will give land back to palestinians, if they intended to help palestinians they would have given those territories back to them.

Only God Can Judge Me

الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي

I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer

أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ

IAF strikes some 60 Hamas targets in Gaza overnight raids

By YAAKOV KATZ, JPOST.COM STAFF AND AP

The IAF attacked some sixty targets in the Gaza Strip overnight Tuesday, Israel Radio reported. The targets included 30 terrorists smuggling tunnels, weapons storage facilities and rocket launch squads.

IDF troops push deeper into Gaza City

Israel Radio reported that the IDF was turning up the heat on Hamas Wednesday morning, with ground forces progressing slowly to prevent civilian casualties.

According to Palestinian reports, one of the targets hit over night was the old Gaza city hall, which has been used as a court building in recent years

The 1910 structure was destroyed and many stores in the market around it were badly damaged, they said.

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The Jerusalem Post could not confirm the report.

On Tuesday, the IDF pushed deeper into Gaza City and launched pinpoint raids in the southern Strip as Defense Minister Ehud Barak announced that his top aide would head to Cairo to try to secure a cease-fire that could end Operation Cast Lead.

IDF reservists enter the Gaza Strip, Monday.

Photo: IDF Spokesperson's Office

Defense officials told The Jerusalem Post that Egypt had made progress in its talks with Hamas and that the head of the Defense Ministry's Diplomatic-Security Bureau, Amos Gilad, would head to Cairo on Thursday to evaluate the cease-fire proposal and present Israel's conditions.

The officials said Jerusalem was hoping to secure a guarantee from the Egyptians that they would invest resources and efforts in stopping the weapons smuggling from Sinai into the Gaza Strip under the Philadelphi Corridor.

One Israeli proposal, supported by the IDF, calls for the erection of a barrier surrounding the Egyptian side of Rafah, to be manned by Egyptian soldiers who will not allow weapons smugglers into the town. Israel has proposed a barrier consisting of two fences surrounding the Philadelphi Corridor and encompassing Egyptian Rafah, which would be accessible by a single road controlled by the military.

The idea was suggested several years ago by then-National Security Council head Giora Eiland.

"If the Egyptians provide us with guarantees that the smuggling will stop, the operation could be over by the end of the week," a top defense official told the Post. "It is all up to the Egyptians right now."

Gilad will hold talks on Thursday with Egyptian Intelligence Minister Omar Suleiman, and one of the issues will be an Egyptian request to increase the number of soldiers it has deployed along the border from 750 to several thousand. Gilad has expressed fierce opposition to the request, but other defense officials in Israel said Tuesday that the request to relax the troop limits set by the Egyptian-Israeli peace treaty needed to be considered.

"It is unclear why Amos Gilad is so adamantly against allowing Egypt to increase its force along Philadelphi," one official said. "If this is what the Egyptians want, then why not just give it to them?"

While diplomatic activity picked up speed on Tuesday, the IDF continued to push deeper into Gaza City as reservist units took over responsibility for several areas in the Strip. At least 50 Hamas gunmen were killed since Monday evening.

Rocket fire also dwindled, with some 15 rockets and mortar shells striking Israel - the lowest since Operation Cast Lead was launched on December 27 - by Tuesday evening.

"The operation is continuing on its 18th day with the aim of restoring quiet for southerners and curbing weapons smuggling," Barak said Tuesday. "We are working on both these goals, with an eye on diplomatic initiatives."

Lt. Aharon Karov from the Battalion 890 of the Paratroopers Brigade was critically wounded by an explosion inside a booby-trapped home in northern Gaza during a early-morning operation. Two other soldiers sustained light wounds, and by evening, the officer's condition had slightly improved following an intensive and complicated operation.

Karov, a resident of Karnei Shomron, was called up to join the fighting in Gaza a day after his wedding, less than two weeks ago.

Meanwhile, the IDF commenced heavy shelling of targets on Gaza City's outskirts early Tuesday, as soldiers continued to push deeper into the urban center. Ground troops battled Palestinian gunmen in a densely populated Gaza City neighborhood.

Military sources said the objective of Operation Cast Lead - weakening Hamas and restoring Israel's deterrence - had not yet been accomplished, and that the army would continue its push into Gaza City to hunt down Hamas operatives and infrastructure.

The purpose of deepening the operation, officials said, was to increase the pressure on Hamas and to buy time to see if the Egyptian proposal materialized into a cease-fire.

Overnight in northern Gaza, Hamas gunmen fired at troops from a mosque. The soldiers returned fire, and the IAF then bombed the mosque's courtyard after spotting the armed men.

The air force bombed some 60 targets overnight, including seven weapons storehouses, 15 Kassam launch pads and 10 Hamas outposts.

On Tuesday, an additional 50 targets were hit, including 30 tunnels.

I am awaiting the onslaught of criticism, but figured I'd post this anyway...

"There were no such thing as Palestinians. When was there an independent Palestinian people with a Palestinian state? It was either southern Syria before the First World War, and then it was a Palestine including Jordan. It was not as though there was a Palestinian people in Palestine considering itself as a Palestinian people and we came and threw them out and took their country away from them. They did not exist."

-- quote from Golda Meir

Following the 1948 Arab-Israeli War, the 1949 Armistice Agreements between Israel and neighboring Arab states eliminated Palestine as a distinct territory. With the establishment of Israel, the remaining lands were divided amongst Egypt, Syria and Jordan. The Arab governments at this point refused to set up a State of Palestine.

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine)

Now, I don't pretend to know the history of the region or the conflict intimately, but I found these items interesting. But I expect many people will present opposing views as soon as I post this...

And I wonder: if Israel eventually returns some lands to the Palestinians, will Egypt, Syria, and Jordan do the same with the land THEY reappropriated? It would be interesting to see...

Ameen

"Vasco Died December 24, 1524 (aged approx. 54-64)

Kochi, India"

"Fernao (Spring 1480 – April 27, 1521, Mactan Island, Cebu, Philippines"

Here is some info about the founder of Brazil:

Cabral continued to India to trade for pepper and other spices, establishing a factory at Calicut, where he arrived on 13 September. In Cochin, and Cannanore Cabral succeeded in making advantageous treaties.

Like I said: Asia & Far East

Ha, genius?

Now YOU have to learn to read in wikipedia about the figures of YOUR country.

After that, you can learn to spell the names of countries & nationalities.

After that, you can answer the rest of my above (5) comments.

If you get bored during that, and needed to have a good laugh about stupidity; just remember the American Embassy in Havana

Cheers baby!

"1.The 3 names you mentioned are portuguese sailors/navigators. The 3 of them have reached asia & the far east."

The 3 reached the far east? Only Vasco da Gama was in Asia, more preciselly India.

Streight of Magalhaes rings any bells?

Fernao de Magalhaes was the 1st european to cross the steight that connected the Atlantic to the Pacific.

Pedro Alvares de Cabral found Brazil.

Now, what were you saying about your IQ? By now you may have found that you don't even know what's written in wikipedia about it.

"Vasco da Gama (disambiguation).

Vasco da Gama

Born ca. 1460-1469

Sines, Alentejo, Portugal

Died December 24, 1524 (aged approx. 54-64)

Kochi, India

Occupation Explorer, military naval commander

Spouse(s) Catarina de Ataíde

Dom Vasco da Gama, 1st Count of Vidigueira (IPA: ['vaʃku dɐ 'gɐmɐ]) (Sines or Vidigueira, Alentejo, Portugal, ca. either 1460 or 1469 – December 24, 1524 in Kochi, India) was a Portuguese explorer, one of the most successful in the European Age of Discovery and the commander of the first ships to sail directly from Europe to India."

"Ferdinand Magellan (Portuguese: Fernão de Magalhães, IPA: [fɨɾˈnɐ̃ũ dɨ mɐgɐˈʎɐ̃ĩʃ] Spanish: Fernando de Magallanes) (Spring 1480 – April 27, 1521, Mactan Island, Cebu, Philippines) was a Portuguese maritime explorer who, while in the service of the Spanish Crown, tried to find a westward route to the Spice Islands of Indonesia. He thereby became the first person to lead an expedition across the Pacific Ocean. This was also the first successful attempt to circumnavigate the Earth in history. Although he did not complete the entire voyage (he was killed during the Battle of Mactan in the Philippines), Magellan had earlier traveled eastward to the Spice Islands, so he became one of the first individuals to cross all of the meridians of the Globe.

Magellan was the first European to enter the Pacific from the eponymous Strait of Magellan, which he discovered. He was also the first European to reach the archipelago of what is now known as the Philippines, which was unknown to the western world before his landing. Arab traders had established commerce within the archipelago centuries earlier."

"Pedro Álvares Cabral (about 1467/1468/1469 – about 1520; pronounced [ˈpeðɾʊ ˈaɫvɐɾɨʃ kɐˈβɾaɫ] in European Portuguese, [ˈpedɾu ˈawvaɾiʃ caˈbɾaw] in Brazilian Portuguese) was a Portuguese navigator and explorer. Cabral is generally regarded as the European discoverer of Brazil (22 April 1500)."

Your IQ is astonishing

Only God Can Judge Me

الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي

I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer

أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ

it's you who is displaying your low IQ level!

"do you know who's Fernão de Magalhães? Or Vasco da Gama? Or Pedro Alvares Cabral?"

now let me show you the difference between my education & yours, and between how my brain functions and yours:

1.The 3 names you mentioned are portuguese sailors/navigators. The 3 of them have reached asia & the far east.

2.I mentioned Hertzel, who is not from my country, while the 3 of the figures you mentioned are from YOUR country. You have no idea about any famous figure who is not from your country.

3.I know about Vasco, since I was a little boy in school. And the same about Hertzel.

4.I didn't know about Pedro or Fernao, so my brain told me to check them on wikipedia so that I can reply you. Your simple brain is not so developed to give such orders.

The max that your brain can do is have you say:

"who the f**k is Theodor Hertzel?"

5.And finally, and although English is not our 1st languague, but I can manage to spell & pronounce the names of countries & nationalities in a perfect manner. You can't

You have many many years of education to do, in order to be able to stand as a match for me.....son!

Pajju/Salax: lol, let me give you a clue, "Goa, Damao and Diu" ;)

Only God Can Judge Me

الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي

I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer

أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ

lol salax u visited were ?:)))

lolz salax i dunno am not bengali lolz :)))

salax lolz so u used to buy pappd from ther ? :)))

heard abt kappad beach ? :)

when i was n school i heard abt him .. but really i dunno .. always i cut my classes :)))

Lol Pajju, was just thinking when you would be showing up.

Of course you know, he's part of India's history :)

Only God Can Judge Me

الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي

I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer

أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ

i know abt vasco da gama :)))

Darude/Salax/PM: Lol

Airsupply: Why do i have to know who is he? What do i care about him?

Btw, do you know who's Fernão de Magalhães? Or Vasco da Gama? Or Pedro Alvares Cabral?

Only God Can Judge Me

الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي

I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer

أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ

Airsupply you are back.

Welcome once again.

OK, up to you but we all now how low it's your IQ and no, this is not an insult but a taunt.

Only God Can Judge Me

الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي

I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer

أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ

no if I answer you, and will start referring to your education & IQ level, you'll accuse me that I am insulting you.

So I prefer not to answer you

"GPN-35 said "Who tha f**k is Theodor Hertzel?" ...

Captain of the Zionist rugby team"

GPN: Give me a small break, i need to laugh.

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Why you refered him?

Only God Can Judge Me

الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي

I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer

أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ

Captain of the Zionist rugby team

You mean the atomic bombs dropped over Nagasaki and Hiroshima? Or you mean the prisioners camps created inside the U.S. ? Btw, where have i said that i approved both situations? Even if in the 1st case those bombs have spared millions of ally and japonese lifes?

"The historical article you posted is full of lies & mistakes (like all your posts), specially:

"the Land of Israel was promised to the three Patriarchs of the Jewish people, by God, as their homeland""

Is it? Ever read the bible or the Torah?

Who tha f**k is Theodor Hertzel?

Only God Can Judge Me

الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي

I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer

أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ

when this 'human' (if ever) gives the justification for a terrorist group to kill my people, then I will not only wish such a thing for them, but actually be happy if it happens.

When an american president goes on TV to say "I understand Israel's need to defend itself", and thus gives a green light for slaughtering my people, then I would be happy to see 9/11 happens daily in all States.

why would u wished such a thing for a fellow Human being?

C'mon,this is going too far!

"GPN (air supply, Abu abu, etc...) "

Which stupid person gave you that idea

"he also doesn't belive in the Holocaust"

So??? This is not something to be embarrassed or ashamed of?

People usually dont believe in things that didn't happen, and you should always learn to listen to 'the other side of the story'.

But have you heard of the holocaust the americans did in Japan by the end of WWII ?

The historical article you posted is full of lies & mistakes (like all your posts), specially:

"the Land of Israel was promised to the three Patriarchs of the Jewish people, by God, as their homeland"

It is a know fact that the zionists were chosing between Argentina, Palestine & Uganda until they decided on Palestine.

Did their God give Theodor Hertzel these 3 options? Or was it "buy 2 & get 1 free"?

Ummjake: I'm here now, don't worry, a good advice, ignore GPN (air supply, Abu abu, etc...) he is always being banned from forum, he also doesn't belive in the Holocaust, according to him, all the world is lieing about it because it's a myth created 65 years ago.

You forgot to refer how Israel has become palestina/jordania, etc....

According to wikipedia:

"The Land of Israel, known in Hebrew as Eretz Yisrael, has been sacred to the Jewish people since Biblical times. According to the Torah, the Land of Israel was promised to the three Patriarchs of the Jewish people, by God, as their homeland;[23][24] scholars have placed this period in the early 2nd millennium BCE.[25] According to the traditional view, around the 11th century BCE, the first of a series of Israelite kingdoms and states established rule over the region; these Israelite kingdoms and states ruled intermittently for the following one thousand years.[26] The sites holiest to Judaism are located within Israel.

Between the time of the Israelite kingdoms and the 7th-century Muslim conquests, the Land of Israel fell under Assyrian, Babylonian, Persian, Greek, Roman, Sassanian, and Byzantine rule.[27] Jewish presence in the region dwindled after the failure of the Bar Kokhba revolt against the Roman Empire in 132 CE and the resultant large-scale expulsion of Jews. In 628/9, the Byzantine Emperor Heraclius conducted a massacre and expulsion of the Jews, at which point the Jewish population probably reached its lowest point. Nevertheless, a continuous Jewish presence in the Land of Israel remained. Although the main Jewish population shifted from the Judea region to the Galilee,[28] the Mishnah and part of the Talmud, among Judaism's most important religious texts, were composed in Israel during this period.[29] The Land of Israel was captured from the Byzantine Empire around 636 CE during the initial Muslim conquests. Control of the region transferred between the Umayyads,[30] Abbasids,[31] and Crusaders over the next six centuries, before falling in the hands of the Mamluk Sultanate, in 1260. In 1516, the Land of Israel became a part of the Ottoman Empire, which ruled the region until the 20th century.[32]"

So, what were some saying about Palestina becoming Israel???

Only God Can Judge Me

الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي

I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer

أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ

you are but a typical american mentality. Closed, hateful and not willing to see things from a different angle.

"Is it any wonder that this situation persists today, if its people like GPN-35 who are the ones leading things?"

So am I better or worse than ALL your presidents including the new moron Obama?

Nice. What a kind sentiment from a fellow QLer -- thanks for wishing that I lose my family, GPN-35.

Clearly some of the people in this thread are too emotional to have a reasonable discussion with...so I'm outta here, to find more level-headed folks who don't have a pre-established agenda and who are willing to consider other viewpoints besides their own...

Is it any wonder that this situation persists today, if its people like GPN-35 who are the ones leading things?

Andrewz.....

U mean Pajju's gonna Hijack this thread as well ??

OMG... will this man ever GIVE UP..?? :(

here you go:

http://palestinian.ning.com/forum/topics/the-other-side-of-the-story

"I mean, c'mon, if you had a bunch of guys surrounding you, threatening to attack, I think you'd feel pretty justified in swinging the first punch...so I wouldn't characterize this situation as Israel's offensive"

in order for you to be fair & objective, you have to ask yourself 1st: where were those bunch of guys surrounding you & threatening to attack you? In a public place? In your backyard? or were you inside THEIR property?

I'm just trying to add a little bit of the "other side" to this discussion here...so much on QL is so blatantly one-sided that it's ridiculous. I genuinely feel for the civilians who have been caught in the middle of not just this current event, but DECADES of conflict...but let's not malign one group when it's obvious that both sides (and many outside countries and interests) have contributed to where we are now.

since we can see that you have not been fair, nor objective, then your argument here applys on you only. It is you who is rediculously 1-sided, supporting the criminal, and blaming the victim...which is exactly the stand of your president.

If you think that both sides are to be blamed, then I hope that 1 day you'd lose your family in some military action/explosion, and then I would be happy to blame them...and you

thank u for sharing

see u in the heaven

"Does that mean that other nationalities should not know this info and that it is ONLY for americans, or does it hint that americans have a less IQ and that they don't know what the others already do?"

Lol GPN. This is what you can call as "blind love" :)

Dear avinis

Only Muslim Good girls go to heaven,

balance all bad girls go everywhere

It doesn't get more partisan than this article, avinis.

The article mentions the third war that Israel launched. Do they mean in 1967 when Egypt, Jordan, and Syria (and others) all lined up their armies along Israel's borders and blocked their boats from the Straits of Tiran? Do they mean the Six Day War when Israel launched a pre-emptive strike because they were in danger of being imminently attacked by several Arab armies? When they bascially kicked some serious military butt in only 6 days, and expanded their territory threefold by taking the Sinai, Gaza, the West Bank, East Jerusalem and the Golan?

(I mean, c'mon, if you had a bunch of guys surrounding you, threatening to attack, I think you'd feel pretty justified in swinging the first punch...so I wouldn't characterize this situation as Israel's offensive.)

I'm just trying to add a little bit of the "other side" to this discussion here...so much on QL is so blatantly one-sided that it's ridiculous. I genuinely feel for the civilians who have been caught in the middle of not just this current event, but DECADES of conflict...but let's not malign one group when it's obvious that both sides (and many outside countries and interests) have contributed to where we are now.

I specially liked:

"Zionists originally also considered Uganda/Kenya, Argentina, and elsewhere for the creation of a Jewish state. One group began a project of emigrating to Texas: “...the Galveston Immigration Scheme (GIS) brought 10,000 Jews to Texas between 1906 and 1914”

So this theory of the 'holy promised land' in Palestine is a BIG lie.

The funny thing about the website "if americans knew", and the statement inside: "what americans need to know about...."

Does that mean that other nationalities should not know this info and that it is ONLY for americans, or does it hint that americans have a less IQ and that they don't know what the others already do?

dmightysolomon and many other QLers who suffer from delusion about the Palestinean tragedy, should be reading in this link

This thread is gone...

Avinis .....

Good galz go to Rizks Palace ....:)

Good girls go to heaven,

bad girls go everywhere