Hypocrisy in the UK

DohaSteve, merely speculation, guess one will never know. Wonder why human nature always assues the worst in people?

Can only comment about name change. I converted but kept my birth name

... and so deseprate to be politically correct that they would recognise two parrots being married over a bucket of eels if they thought it would offend anyone not to.

In the UK, the term "husband" or "wife" can be used to refer to anyone who has lived together (legal term "common-law spouse") for more than 6 months.

I still think she was nothing more than another chav on the make, and the Magistrate (who, it must be said, are often as barmy as the people on trial) seems to have exercised common sense for a change.

Maybe it was the lurid pink polyester Kappa sweatsuit and tattooed hands that gave the game away.

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They may be referring to him as her "partner" because they may have been married by an Imam, which I dont think is recognized in the UK as it may not be registered in the courts.

UK law doesnt state that a persons face must be visable for testimony to be accepted as testimony can be accepted in written form as well. This was the discretion of the Magistrate.

Where does it say in the article that her children are illigitmate? They might be, but you are just assuming that.

She could be Islamically and pologomously married.

Her ex partner and her could be divorced

She may have become a muslim after she split from her partner - this would make her children born out of wedlock.

:)

Anyway ,she is wrong regarding showing her face in a court of law and it being a religious requirement.

who is pregnant with her 4th illegitimate child complaining about having to remove her veil for testimony (which she explains is for religious purposes).

trust me..I do try to advice and correct the Muslims around me whenever I see them doing and saying something against Islam. Likewise when I make mistakes I wish to be corrected as well. If you go through some of my previous posts you'd see this. This is not just in QL mind you but everywhere. Ultimately we can only set an example..In Islam we believe guidance is up to Allah..we must only convey the message. Enjoin whats good and correct in whatever way we can whats evil and practice what we preach. That's all I can do..

Your effort to correct all the falsity and mis-propagation by Muslims is an effort wasted when directed at non Muslims. Your effort would bear results if you directed it at the root cause of the problem as you cite.

Other than that your effort just adds to the confusion. But I appreciate the fact that you clarified your stand by not getting defensive like how the masses on QL usually do.

Thank you mucho..oh and your not too bad yourself ;)

And Tinker I haven't a fanatic bone in my body..lol! Welcome habibthy =)

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Mutual admiration =D

I am definitely a Non-Muslim and I appreciate your posts FathimaH.

that's what you say but many non Muslims on QL have too told me they find my posts informative. If you don't feel that way that's fine but how can you speak on behalf of all non Muslim QLrs? My intention here is not to overpraise my religion but to inform QLrs about the truth of our faith since many are unaware of this due to all the false and misguided propagations many Muslims are spreading and not to mention the negative media reviews Muslims get due to the evil of some people who call themselves Muslims. I always make sure to cite proof as much as possible for this purpose too. Least I come out sounding like I only speak out of my own opinion lacking facts and knowledge.

Oh and I don't mind others praising their faiths..No issue at all Sean.. after-all "Lakum deenukum Wa liya deen" or to each their own, Alhamdullilah! I prefer praises to bashings any day.

Peace =)

FathimaH unfortunately your posts would refreshing to non muslims too if you were not to over garnish it with praise of your religion only.

Imagine if everyone did that here!

Shukran bro =)

"Mr Mangera was found guilty of punching Miss Richards in the face and scrawling abuse on her front door."

Which one is crime? A judge asking to open the covering on face to see the punching marks or a so called husband punching on a pregnant lady's face. Is it true that Any musalman can do dirty things, but nobody should question him. That is real Hyprocasy. Religion must Educate such people to be more humane.

FatimaH...

your posts are refreshing and to the points..

Plain hypocrisy!

Nowadays the veil / hijab and all that crap is overused to sensationalize the pseudo reality of the world being against Islam. We are expected to respect their beliefs in their countries, why do they not want to respect ours in our countries? (And by our I am implying nations that do not claim to be XYZ Religion Republics)

Not the courts..the magistrates were definitely right since this is their legal requirement of everyone hence totally justified. and I'm actually touched by how considerate they were to provide screens. I memo this time in a Lankan passport office I had to remove my niqab for a photo and from the moment I removed it and until the photo was taken I had a crowd of men starring at me through out it all, including a monk! Subhanallah..that was embarrassing! So actually the courts were very respective, Maashallah!

As for the term "ex partner" there could be many reasons for this. Like example the journalists simply putting it this way, or that she only converted recently after her relationship broke off as this happened to my close friend too. she was charged for a criminal offence before she became a Muslim and the hearing was afterwards so she had to be in prison sans hijab and had to attend courts that way too, and she too had to testify against her "ex partner" who also fathered her child whilst she was still not a Muslim. Or of course this maybe a case of polygyny etc. Needless to say we cannot judge her here, Allahu alim.

Regarding her name..well lol..my husband's name is still his original non Muslim name officially though he goes by a Muslim nickname.Name is nothing..did the Sahabah be it Umar, Abu Bakr, or anyone else change theirs?

LostInSpace

the word "Muslim" itself will make U understand why the title given to this thread.

Magistrate was right...the lands law should be above religion...any religion.

you make judgement on one case??!!? on a personal note i dont understand why "hypocrisy" is even mentioned in the title of the thread? can you enlighten me ex.ex?

agreed Dohasteve, but the OP is discussing hypocrisy particularly in UK, which shows us a different picture of a nation, that i never heard from my Grand Father who served in British Army in late WWII, and fought in Burma against Japanese.

He used to tell us, that Britain are not hypocrite unlike others, but now i came to know, that he was wrong. :((

Something doesn't add up?

"Miss Richards told the court that her religion said she could not remove her veil in front of men in public..."!!!

There is not a single Quran verse that supports her claim, Even religious cleric are still debating that till this day

Regardless of her marital status, the women was abused. I think this what should matter most

nail hit on head comes to mind.

How many muslims will we see staggering out of nightclubs at 3 o'clock this morning?

How many labourers are sleeping 20 to a room in the industrial area with 40 sharing one toilet?

How many domestic servants are raped, beaten, not paid for months on end, denied access to basic human rights?

Hypocrisy exists in every society, at all levels.

The big difference is that here, the media is terrified to report it in any way that might offend the powerful.

well xxxpat

to make it more simple

"Yes, Hypocrisy exist officially in UK" ;)

should be made to remove her veil! simples.

expat ...terrorism is not been discussed by me either...

am just discussing the labelling

Ex pat ..i commented on how media specifies religion

and it was a GENERAL comment....

i dont support any culprit. hypocrite, criminal, sinner or whatever ...yeah she is a hypocrite

to testify with her face veiled and then complaining because she had to take off her face veil, although she testified from behind a screen. That is why her being Muslim was brought into the article. She invoked her religion in her demand to wear a face veil while testifying against her "baby daddy" for abuse.

.... not even the really ugly ones.

Brides. They wear a veil. But not for religious reasons. They wear it until the vicar fella says "I now pronounce you man and wife" and the groom sucks the face off her.

So not what you would call a religious reason. More to do with aesthetics.

ah face veil!!1... i dont support it neither i defend it

She was impregnated by a 'partner' but would not show her face in court in the name of religion!! That's hypocrisy.

but that isn't what is being discussed here.

Some of them cover their hair and not all do that.

Want to try again?

the title of above video is crude, but i could find what i was trying to say

nuns??

tailchopper? I only know of Muslims doing that these days.

veil is worn in many religions....anyway my comment is general, not specific for above post

Tailchopper, the point of mentioning "muslim" is that was the reason she gave for not removing her veil.

And it's been proven she is not a good muslim because she had "intimate relations" many times without being married.

And is still not married.

So she is on the make.

name is absolutely not an issue, and it should not be an issue at all.

But yeah, i have also noticed, media (electronic/print) always mentions religion, if criminal, rapist or terrorist is a Muslim.

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al-hamdu lillaah.

He or she is not required to change his or her name unless it embodies the worship of someone or something other then God, Allaah. However, its amelioration by choosing a new Islamic name is legitimate and encouraged. The fact that he or she would change his or her name from a pagan or non-Islamic name to an Islamic one would be considered commendable--however, it is not mandatory.

Thus, if one's name is Abdul-Messiah, for example, or similar such names, then he is obligated to change it, as the Prophet (peace upon him) had people with the names Abdul-Ka'bah and Abdul-Uzzah change their names upon accepting Islaam.

If the original name does not comprise or imply anything forbidden in Islaam, then he or she is permitted to retain it (such as the name George, for example). As noted, though, it is preferable to change it to an Islaamic name, as this also distinguishes him or her from the kuffaar.

Note that if changing one's name in official documents and records poses a great inconvenience, it would suffice to change it among the people. In this case, he or she is called by his or her new name by friends, acquaintances, and the general public, while offical documents would retain the original given name.

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xxxpat

second part of my post is in pending list???

it as the reason she was wearing a veil and wanted to testify with her face obscured.

You don't always have to argue against common sense just because you hate to agree with anything we do in the West, innit? ;)

you need to learn your religion, mate. Check the facts, a person who converts to Islam is not required to change their name unless the name is something that is explicitly against Islam (like kaffir). I know this for a fact. Do I need to do your homework for you and find you a fatwa on that? ;)

I suspect she may be one of these law-breakers we have practicing polygamy without the benefit of legal marriage. Or she could just be another ignorant twat on the dole.

even though

a muslim must be with muslim name.

btw, why it is specified a "MUSLIM" woman in Newspaper, however i never found in UK newspapers that a Christian killer or Christian rapist, or a Jew Porn Star, then why ur media want the word "Muslim" to be highlighted???

Most British newspapers print rubbish 80% of the time, however one thing they are scrupulous about is making sure any individuals mentioned in stories have the correct "tag".

In this case, the word "partner" is used more than once to decribe the father of Miss Richards' children, and they also use the title "Miss" (single woman), and not "Mrs" (married woman).

So "Miss" Richards is a good Muslim woman, wearing her veil for religious reasons?

And yet the religious Miss Richards has produced three children out of wedlock, and is in the process of producing number four.

Hypocracy? Look in the mirror, Miss Richards!

What did she have for lunch that day, a bacon sandwich?

if that is what you are implying, cryspy. She is a Muslim, not an Arab. What's your point?

The magistrate was absolutely right. Facial expression counts a lot when it comes to testifying in court - and anybody could have been behind that veil! And as that was in the UK, and to 'copy' a much loved local expression, 'if you don't like it, leave the country!'

Georgina Richard ....... hmmmmmmm really a Muslim name :P