I have lived in the city of Kolkata for years and have seen that Mother stood for her cause and has done a wonderful work which cannot be challenged.
I totally disagree with Adey
Very little of the money she raised went to the poor and suffering, most went into building and maintaining Nunneries of her order.
A lot of those in her 'hospitals/hospices' were treated in appalling conditions and had no real care or alleviation, as she believed that only through suffering could you be close to jesus.
Relatives of the sick were not allowed to visit, give aid, give food or comfort to their relatives.
That she was a hypocrite who had been a disbeliever since shortly after arriving in India - she wrote about it in her diaries and letters to friends, all of which have been published.
NONE OF THE ABOVE IS TRUE AND CANNOT BE. Please do not cast aspirations of a Noble soul dedicated for Humanity. Looks like you know only how to criticise. Arm youself with facts and then comment.
You can take religion out of the equation here and still be utterly inspired by how she dedicated her life to making other lives better. If I can do a tiny fraction of what she did to improve the lives of others I will consider my life well-lived.
Any how, I feel genuine sorrow for her. Let me explain, the Catholic Church says that if you cant believe then faith will save you ie. become more religious - the church system had her trapped. If she did not believe then she did her good work out of penance trying to get god's favour. I don't see that as the work of god.
Secondly others do great work for the poor etc without recourse to god.
I don't go to mythical places with strange men.
-- Douglas Adams, The Long Dark Tea-Time of the Soul.
I just feel that what Mother Theresa did was amazing and her critics are just creating rumors about her. I feel strongly that these rumors should be cut off as they have no merit.
Adey, it's just that the woman did so much good in her life and was such an inspiration to so many and still is that people get very upset about even unintended criticism/negative comments about her.
Gee, to me if she did doubt her faith throughout her life as I'm sure we all do at various times, for her to carry on with her mission is nothing short of amazing. Heroic even.
I am open to all possabilities and ready to be entirely convinced that all the claims that some critics have made are utterly false and without foundation.
I was not attacking her.
I don't go to mythical places with strange men.
-- Douglas Adams, The Long Dark Tea-Time of the Soul.
ok, maybe the written word does not convey very well my fellings on the matter.
I have nothing against the women, I was just providing information regarding a different opinion, if I knew it was not allowed to do this then this 'love in' thread could continue without controversy.
I might start a thread entitled "Black is white", anyone who dares suggests different or brings forth an opposing view will be countered with -
"This thread was created to bring a positive message and what you posted takes away from that."
I don't go to mythical places with strange men.
-- Douglas Adams, The Long Dark Tea-Time of the Soul.
Wow Adey, of all the people to pick on. I think there are many more people you could put under your magnifying glass besides a woman who worked so hard and inspired so many others to help in their own communities.
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Be kinder than necessary, for everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle.
FIrst of all, Hitler, Stalin and various murderers have been convicted and proven guilty of their crimes, so speaking of what they have done is not speaking ill of them in my opinion. They committed crimes against humanity and everyone knows what they did. Mother Theresa on the other hand committed her life to helping others but some people always need to point of the negative when something positive is said.
I felt that in your first post when you wrote:
It has been said:
Very little of the money she raised went to the poor and
suffering, most went into building and maintaining Nunneries of her
order.
A lot of those in her 'hospitals/hospices' were treated in
appalling conditions and had no real care or alleviation, as she
believed that only through suffering could you be close to jesus.
Relatives of the sick were not allowed to visit, give aid, give food or comfort to their relatives.
That she was a hypocrite who had been a disbeliever since shortly
after arriving in India - she wrote about it in her diaries and letters
to friends, all of which have been published.
It take away from all the good work that she has done, or the message of doing good work for the needy that she represents. This thread was created to bring a positive message and what you posted takes away from that.
40 yrs of crisis with only a 5 week release is not just a few doubts along the way.
If no one can speak ill of the dead (of course you do jasskat, Hitler, Stalin, various murderers etc) and they should rest in peace why is the Vatican going to Canonize her? Hardly keeping her out of the headlines is it?
I only responded to the original post saying it was not all rose tinted stories out there.
I don't go to mythical places with strange men.
-- Douglas Adams, The Long Dark Tea-Time of the Soul.
I do try not to speak ill of any dead as they cannot defend themselves.
Yes they were her journals, but journals are often a place to express a feeling at that time... no one knows for sure what she really felt in side her head.
Please I was not trying to discredit her works and I did say initially that I did not know if her 'work' was not as good as generally claimed. I was just pointing out that there was a different point of view. As to her crisis/lack of faith I was only quoting what she wrote herself. It ceases to be private when her public face and personal thoughts are in such contradiction.
And on the point of letting anyone rest in peace, well you would not say that about any other historical figure? Faith and spirituality is not a bullet proof vest.
I don't go to mythical places with strange men.
-- Douglas Adams, The Long Dark Tea-Time of the Soul.
There is serious debate about her motives and methods. Plus the fact that she lost her faith years ago.
It has been said:
Very little of the money she raised went to the poor and suffering, most went into building and maintaining Nunneries of her order.
A lot of those in her 'hospitals/hospices' were treated in appalling conditions and had no real care or alleviation, as she believed that only through suffering could you be close to jesus.
Relatives of the sick were not allowed to visit, give aid, give food or comfort to their relatives.
That she was a hypocrite who had been a disbeliever since shortly after arriving in India - she wrote about it in her diaries and letters to friends, all of which have been published.
I am not saying I know this to be true (except the loss of faith) but it has been widely commented on. I will have to do futher research but it's food for thought.
I don't go to mythical places with strange men.
-- Douglas Adams, The Long Dark Tea-Time of the Soul.
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"It is better to die with memories than to live with only dreams."
"Sometimes love is for a moment, sometimes love is for a lifetime.
Sometimes a moment is a lifetime!
Read the whole thread please.
Here are some facts I 'armed' myself with. You are free to disagree, which is your right, as is mine. Just a different perspective.
http://ffrf.org/fttoday/1996/august96/hakeem.html
I don't go to mythical places with strange men.
-- Douglas Adams, The Long Dark Tea-Time of the Soul.
I have lived in the city of Kolkata for years and have seen that Mother stood for her cause and has done a wonderful work which cannot be challenged.
I totally disagree with Adey
Very little of the money she raised went to the poor and suffering, most went into building and maintaining Nunneries of her order.
A lot of those in her 'hospitals/hospices' were treated in appalling conditions and had no real care or alleviation, as she believed that only through suffering could you be close to jesus.
Relatives of the sick were not allowed to visit, give aid, give food or comfort to their relatives.
That she was a hypocrite who had been a disbeliever since shortly after arriving in India - she wrote about it in her diaries and letters to friends, all of which have been published.
NONE OF THE ABOVE IS TRUE AND CANNOT BE. Please do not cast aspirations of a Noble soul dedicated for Humanity. Looks like you know only how to criticise. Arm youself with facts and then comment.
Thanks for u r views which i do not accept.
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"It is better to die with memories than to live with only dreams."
"Sometimes love is for a moment, sometimes love is for a lifetime.
Sometimes a moment is a lifetime!
DG, i wouldnt want to have to go up against you...I better keep you on my good side :D
But about that Oscar...I'm sorry I have to keep it :/
tra la la
You are way too kind habibti :)
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Love is the answer...
PM, I do appreciate Mr. Clooney, always classically dressed :D
How about a classic Vivienne Westwood, those dresses are beautiful!
tra la la
Uh Oh, those sound like fighting words..how about we go together and enjoy the company??? :D
Besides, I couldnt compete with you..you are too beautiful inside and out!
tra la la
Incredibly thanking you for this post. Mother Teresa is and will remain one of my idols.
Salaam
JK, next red carpet we're on together, I'm taking you down honey.
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Love is the answer...
You can take religion out of the equation here and still be utterly inspired by how she dedicated her life to making other lives better. If I can do a tiny fraction of what she did to improve the lives of others I will consider my life well-lived.
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Love is the answer...
I picked out a lovely Badgley Mishka dripping in diamonds :D
Didnt you see me on the red carpet??
DG, I cant help it if they love me...they really really love me :D
tra la la
Oh, so you're a bigger drama queen than me, d'ya think JK?
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Love is the answer...
Damn it's a repeat
Any how, I feel genuine sorrow for her. Let me explain, the Catholic Church says that if you cant believe then faith will save you ie. become more religious - the church system had her trapped. If she did not believe then she did her good work out of penance trying to get god's favour. I don't see that as the work of god.
Secondly others do great work for the poor etc without recourse to god.
I don't go to mythical places with strange men.
-- Douglas Adams, The Long Dark Tea-Time of the Soul.
Well DG, I would have picked it up for you...but I can't promise that you would ever have received it :P
tra la la
I am watching a recording of The Oscars. Unfortunately I was unable to pick up my Oscar in person. I should have sent JassKat. Damn.
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Love is the answer...
Ohh I am wathcing Gilmore Girls :D
tra la la
Adey,
I just feel that what Mother Theresa did was amazing and her critics are just creating rumors about her. I feel strongly that these rumors should be cut off as they have no merit.
tra la la
PM - ah you are talking pigment, of course you know it's reversed using light?
Always teach, and prove, to the young kids that black does not exist it's only the absence of light!
Oh the Daily Show is on - back in 20 mins
I don't go to mythical places with strange men.
-- Douglas Adams, The Long Dark Tea-Time of the Soul.
Adey, it's just that the woman did so much good in her life and was such an inspiration to so many and still is that people get very upset about even unintended criticism/negative comments about her.
Gee, to me if she did doubt her faith throughout her life as I'm sure we all do at various times, for her to carry on with her mission is nothing short of amazing. Heroic even.
[img_assist|nid=57389|title=|desc=peace|link=none|align=left|width=|height=0] _______________________________________________________
Love is the answer...
I am open to all possabilities and ready to be entirely convinced that all the claims that some critics have made are utterly false and without foundation.
I was not attacking her.
I don't go to mythical places with strange men.
-- Douglas Adams, The Long Dark Tea-Time of the Soul.
Well I know but you certainly ran with it.
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Be kinder than necessary, for everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle.
I didn't start this thread.
I don't go to mythical places with strange men.
-- Douglas Adams, The Long Dark Tea-Time of the Soul.
ok, maybe the written word does not convey very well my fellings on the matter.
I have nothing against the women, I was just providing information regarding a different opinion, if I knew it was not allowed to do this then this 'love in' thread could continue without controversy.
I might start a thread entitled "Black is white", anyone who dares suggests different or brings forth an opposing view will be countered with -
"This thread was created to bring a positive message and what you posted takes away from that."
I don't go to mythical places with strange men.
-- Douglas Adams, The Long Dark Tea-Time of the Soul.
Wow Adey, of all the people to pick on. I think there are many more people you could put under your magnifying glass besides a woman who worked so hard and inspired so many others to help in their own communities.
*************************************
Be kinder than necessary, for everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle.
FIrst of all, Hitler, Stalin and various murderers have been convicted and proven guilty of their crimes, so speaking of what they have done is not speaking ill of them in my opinion. They committed crimes against humanity and everyone knows what they did. Mother Theresa on the other hand committed her life to helping others but some people always need to point of the negative when something positive is said.
I felt that in your first post when you wrote:
It has been said:
Very little of the money she raised went to the poor and
suffering, most went into building and maintaining Nunneries of her
order.
A lot of those in her 'hospitals/hospices' were treated in
appalling conditions and had no real care or alleviation, as she
believed that only through suffering could you be close to jesus.
Relatives of the sick were not allowed to visit, give aid, give food or comfort to their relatives.
That she was a hypocrite who had been a disbeliever since shortly
after arriving in India - she wrote about it in her diaries and letters
to friends, all of which have been published.
It take away from all the good work that she has done, or the message of doing good work for the needy that she represents. This thread was created to bring a positive message and what you posted takes away from that.
tra la la
Show me where I spoke ill of her please.
40 yrs of crisis with only a 5 week release is not just a few doubts along the way.
If no one can speak ill of the dead (of course you do jasskat, Hitler, Stalin, various murderers etc) and they should rest in peace why is the Vatican going to Canonize her? Hardly keeping her out of the headlines is it?
I only responded to the original post saying it was not all rose tinted stories out there.
I don't go to mythical places with strange men.
-- Douglas Adams, The Long Dark Tea-Time of the Soul.
Well Adey,
I do try not to speak ill of any dead as they cannot defend themselves.
Yes they were her journals, but journals are often a place to express a feeling at that time... no one knows for sure what she really felt in side her head.
tra la la
Please I was not trying to discredit her works and I did say initially that I did not know if her 'work' was not as good as generally claimed. I was just pointing out that there was a different point of view. As to her crisis/lack of faith I was only quoting what she wrote herself. It ceases to be private when her public face and personal thoughts are in such contradiction.
And on the point of letting anyone rest in peace, well you would not say that about any other historical figure? Faith and spirituality is not a bullet proof vest.
I don't go to mythical places with strange men.
-- Douglas Adams, The Long Dark Tea-Time of the Soul.
Adey,
It is her crisis, and no one knows what she felt but her. Why not let her rest in peace instead of trying to discredit all the good work she has done.
tra la la
Her crisis lasted 40yrs!
I read the Time article and it seems she wanted to believe even though she knew nothing was there.
Also found out that in 1997 the archbishop of Calcutta gave her an exorcism because "there was such despair at her state of mind"
'Teresa reported on several occasions inviting a confessor to visit and
then being unable to speak. Eventually, one thought to ask her to write
the problem down, and she complied. "The more I want him — the less I
am wanted," she wrote Périer in 1955. A year later she sounded
desolate: "Such deep longing for God — and ... repulsed — empty — no
faith — no love — no zeal. — [The saving of] Souls holds no attraction
— Heaven means nothing — pray for me please that I keep smiling at Him
in spite of everything."'
and
"What do I labour for? If there be no God — there can be no soul — if there is no Soul then Jesus — You also are not true"
There was one respite. In October 1958, Pope Pius XII died, and requiem
Masses were celebrated around the Catholic world. Teresa prayed to the
deceased Pope for a "proof that God is pleased with the Society." And
"then and there," she rejoiced, "disappeared the long darkness ... that
strange suffering of 10 years." Unfortunately, five weeks later she
reported being "in the tunnel" once more. And although, as we shall
see, she found a way to accept the absence, it never lifted again. Five
years after her Nobel, a Jesuit priest in the Calcutta province noted
that "Mother came ... to speak about the excruciating night in her
soul. It was not a passing phase but had gone on for years." A 1995
letter discussed her "spiritual dryness." She died in 1997.
"I utter words of Community prayers — and try my utmost to get out of
every word the sweetness it has to give — But my prayer of union is not
there any longer — I no longer pray."
It sounds to me that she KNEW! , but could not give up what she had dedicated her life to. I find that I feel very sad for her.
I don't go to mythical places with strange men.
-- Douglas Adams, The Long Dark Tea-Time of the Soul.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/08/24/wteresa124.xml
Mother Teresa of Calcutta, who may be canonised as a saint by the
Vatican later this year, had a deep crisis of faith in God for the last
40 years of her life, according to a new set of her letters.
Mother Teresa's crisis of faith won't prevent her canonisation, says Vatican
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml;jsessionid=T5ATF2NJTRSSDQFIQMFCFFOAVCBQYIV0?xml=/news/2007/08/24/wteresa224.xml
The
correspondence, which spans most of Mother Teresa's life, shows that
she felt alone and in a state of spiritual pain from around 1949,
roughly the time when she started taking care of the poor and dying in
Calcutta.
Mother Teresa, who is likely to be canonised, admitted that she had begun to doubt God
Although she publicly proclaimed that her heart belonged "entirely to
the Heart of Jesus", she wrote to the Rev Michael Van Der Peet, a
spiritual confidant, in September 1979 that "Jesus has a very special
love for you. As for me, the silence and emptiness is so great that I
look and do not see, listen and do not hear. The tongue moves [in
prayer] but does not speak."
The letter was written just a few weeks before she received the Nobel Peace Prize for her charitable work.
More than 40 other letters, many of which she had asked to be destroyed
in her will, show her fighting off feelings of "darkness" and "torture".
The letters are published for the first time in a new book, Mother
Teresa: Come Be My Light, and are edited by the Rev Brian Kolodiejchuk,
a close friend.
He wrote that during that period, Mother Teresa did not feel God "in her heart or in the eucharist".
Mr Kolodiejchuk gathered the letters as part of the process to make
Mother Teresa a saint, and is responsible for arguing in her favour. He
said the letters would show people another side of her life, and said
that the fact that she was able to continue her work during such
torment was a sign of her spiritual heroism. Mother Teresa has been
beatified, and is awaiting canonisation.
The Vatican has insisted that the revelations will not obstruct her path to sainthood.
"Lord, my God, you have thrown [me] away as unwanted - unloved," she
wrote in one missive. "I call, I cling, I want, and there is no one to
answer, no, no one. Alone. Where is my faith? even deep down right in
there is nothing. I have no faith. I dare not utter the words and
thoughts that crowd in my heart."
She added: "I am told God loves me, and yet the reality of the darkness
and coldness and emptiness is so great that nothing touches my soul.
Did I make a mistake in surrendering blindly to the Call of the Sacred
Heart?"
She even compared her problems to hell and admitted that she had begun to doubt the existence of heaven and God.
"The smile," she wrote, "is a mask or a cloak that covers everything. I
spoke as if my very heart was in love with God, a tender personal love.
If you were there you would have said, 'What hypocrisy'."
RELATED: "Mother Teresa's Crisis of Faith" by TIME Magazine
http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1655415,00.html
I don't go to mythical places with strange men.
-- Douglas Adams, The Long Dark Tea-Time of the Soul.
There is serious debate about her motives and methods. Plus the fact that she lost her faith years ago.
It has been said:
Very little of the money she raised went to the poor and suffering, most went into building and maintaining Nunneries of her order.
A lot of those in her 'hospitals/hospices' were treated in appalling conditions and had no real care or alleviation, as she believed that only through suffering could you be close to jesus.
Relatives of the sick were not allowed to visit, give aid, give food or comfort to their relatives.
That she was a hypocrite who had been a disbeliever since shortly after arriving in India - she wrote about it in her diaries and letters to friends, all of which have been published.
I am not saying I know this to be true (except the loss of faith) but it has been widely commented on. I will have to do futher research but it's food for thought.
I don't go to mythical places with strange men.
-- Douglas Adams, The Long Dark Tea-Time of the Soul.
Mother Theresa is a great woman.......
She's got all the qualities to be canonized as a saint......
*** be proud pinoy***