PIRATES: We will fight to death!
As a heavily armed U.S. destroyer patrolled nearby and planes flew overhead Sunday, a Somali pirate spokesman told The Associated Press his group was demanding a $20 million ransom to release a cargo ship loaded with Russian tanks.
The spokesman also warned that the pirates would fight to the death if any country tried military action to regain the ship, and a man who said he was the ship's captain reported that one crew member had died.
Pirates seized the Ukrainian-operated ship Faina off the coast of Somalia on Thursday as it headed to Kenya carrying 33 Russian-built T-72 tanks and a substantial amount of ammunition and spare parts. The ordnance was ordered by the Kenyan government.
Pirate spokesman Sugule Ali said he was speaking Sunday from the deck of the Faina via a satellite phone — and verified his location by handing the phone over to the ship's captain, who also spoke with the AP. It was not possible to further confirm their identities.
"We want ransom, nothing else. We need $20 million for the safe release of the ship and the crew," Ali said, adding that "if we are attacked, we will defend ourselves until the last one of us dies."
Full Story: http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory?id=5902182
We need the Gauls here.
Haitham: I was explaining to Nice to Nice that portugueses and spanish, mainly in the south, have arab blood due to the presence of the Mours in Iberian Peninsule during 800 years.
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
so and then what happened ?
nICE TO nICE: sO, YOU TRUELLY BELIVE THAT (sorry caps) that after staying here for almost 800 years, they didn't left any descendents?
Still today families from the South don't have last name, usually they use the name of animals or tools.
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
I did not mix the blood with religion. I know there are people of different religion in Arab world. What I said that there is no chance of Portugese get Arab blood.
Slavery has no place in Islam and so that doesnt justify the arab slavery in africa including the zanzibar islands of tanzania where the king of oman had his place.
he even sent an official to mogadishu to grab some slaves which didnt worked and he sold the whole city to the italians.
but atleast what the europeans did to african slaves is nothing close to what the arabs did.
and this has nothing to do with religion nor with somali pirates .
Poverty is not for the sake of hardship. No, it is there because nothing exists but God. Poverty unlocks the door -- what a blessed key!
- Jalaluddin al-Rumi
Yes, they did, but they were allowed to stay, under the christian dominium. Don't mixup blood with religion, not all arabs are muslim, remember?
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
The Christians conquered the entire peninsula, but doesn't mean they have the arab blood.....
Well put.
Abdi, what ur ya talkin' 'bout? And, who told you that the cats also ought to be killed in Doha? I hadn't told that the cats in Doha ought to be killed or whatsoever...
Best to all,
Marc
Realsome: yeaps :)
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
all your arguing is past history but guess what the pirates are real, they are present. lol
Poverty is not for the sake of hardship. No, it is there because nothing exists but God. Poverty unlocks the door -- what a blessed key!
- Jalaluddin al-Rumi
Realsome: Trying to show to nice to nice that his offenses to my country people have no reason to be.
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
"Plato thats new information to me as Portugese having arab blood.....funny.."
nice too nice: Guess you never studied history, ever heard about the Mours?
"The Reconquista (a Spanish and Portuguese word for "Reconquest"; Arabic: الاسترداد al-ʼIstirdād, "Recapturing") was a period of 800 years in the Middle Ages during which the several Christian kingdoms of the Iberian Peninsula expanded themselves at the expense of the Muslim states of al-Andalus (Arabic الأندلس). The Islamic conquest of the Christian Visigothic kingdom in the eighth century (begun 710–12) extended over almost the entire peninsula (except major parts of Galicia, the Asturias, and the Basque Country). By the thirteenth century all that remained was the Nasrid Kingdom of Granada, to be conquered in 1492, bringing the entire peninsula under Christian leadership."
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reconquista
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
lol Arabs where trading slaves as the westerners did. but what does that to do with somali pirates?
Poverty is not for the sake of hardship. No, it is there because nothing exists but God. Poverty unlocks the door -- what a blessed key!
- Jalaluddin al-Rumi
Hey hey, where the thread is taken...I was talking about Portugese and not about any slavery....
I never said arabs were trading slaves. They were selling dates, pearls and taking spices from India. Plato thats new information to me as Portugese having arab blood.....funny..
Human rights were there since human existense started on earth. But people like portugese were not giving any attention to the other fellow human. That was then europeans mentality and the same too even now of the west mentality.....
They boast about human rights violations in third world, but they ignore the same in front of their nose.....
On that time, human rights didn't existed, it was a different mentality all over the world, they called it Gifts, not Bribe.
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
Why did the local kings take the bribes from the "dirty" guys?
Nice to Nice: You mean those arabs that were trading not only spices as slaves too?
So, because Arabs and Indians were trading a long time ago, no other nations could trade with India, right?
Offered girls? We traded slaves but only started after we negociated with arab people, oh, by the way, Portuguese also have arab blood.
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
Why did the "local kings" take the bribe?
Don't be much proud of Portugese. They were the one who driven out the peace ful arab traders from India by playing dirty cheap tactics. The trade link between Arabs and India were long and strong, but this dirty guys damaged it by all the way, offering bribes and girls to the local kings, later they defeated those kings and looted their kingdom, taken their wives and daughters, killed the young who acted against...The history of portugese are not nice man....
nice to nice: injustice? we are talking about the 16th century, don't forget the european mentality at the time, but the portuguese colonization was different, like realsome posted, nowadays there are still descendents from the portuguese.
Hero: Portuguese are 1 of proudest People concerning nation history, afterwards, we had colonies all over Africa.
When we helped the chinese against the pirates, we received as a reward a territory called Macau.
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
Abu i agree with you, i never justified the illegal activities of this guys specially the thing is becoming business now but what i was saying was do something about the whole thing including the root cause.
secondly i dont get the cheap threats StudyNet is making it doesnt work like that way.
Poverty is not for the sake of hardship. No, it is there because nothing exists but God. Poverty unlocks the door -- what a blessed key!
- Jalaluddin al-Rumi
http://my-photos-album.blogspot.com/
YOU DONT KNOW ME, DONT EVEN TRY !!!
Does any one know where the island of Pulau pulau Bompa is? Is it the ancient name of East Timor?
yup let me tell you how become a pirate in Somalia.
you have a small fishing boat, you hunt for fishing all night and prepare your nest to collect your livelyhood for the day suddenly a european flaged ship cuts your nest into pieces destroys your boat. wat do you do?
another way you can become pirate? you live in small village at beach, someday a floating strange items appear in the beach, guess what is it? a toxic waste dumbed by international community ships on your shore. your fellow villagers fall to unknown diseases? who is to blame? what do you do again? this is how you become a pirate in Somalia.
Poverty is not for the sake of hardship. No, it is there because nothing exists but God. Poverty unlocks the door -- what a blessed key!
- Jalaluddin al-Rumi
Uhh, I think the topic's about Somalis...
"Everything in this book may be wrong." Illusions: The Adventures of The Reluctant Messiah by Richard Bach
portugeese helped ethiopia against somalia after the somali warior ahmed gurey (the left handed) killed the ethiopian emporer.
remember Vasco Da Gamma, he had a base in Somalia village of Barava even today remains of his people live there.
Poverty is not for the sake of hardship. No, it is there because nothing exists but God. Poverty unlocks the door -- what a blessed key!
- Jalaluddin al-Rumi
Portugese were invaders. They did injustice to so many countries.
Any how it was closer to so called Indonesia, not with far lying Portugal.
There wasn't Indonesia at the time, but a bunch of tribes on what's today called Indonesia.
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
No, it belongs to us since the 16th century.
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
Geographically it is part of Indonesian Islands and portugese invaded it first then made as their colony. Am I right???
"You remember when there was a separatist movement at East Timor, Australians and Americans reacted very fast and insisted Indonesia to give independence to East Timor, becuase it has Christian majority."
nice: East Timor was a portuguese colony before they were invaded by Indonesians.
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
StudyNet you are totally wrong, the so called pirates didnt kill anyone.period. i know the situation.
secondly i dont justify piracy but i know what is the cause for this problem and unless the so called international community can solve that issue they wont be able to solve this with warships and threats.
thirdly you are boasting we will kill them blah blah why dont they do now? they know where the ships are and they damb cant go near them. man this country is called Somalia and its not easy place.
the solution to the problem is solve the big issue, stop illegal fishing and dumping waste in our waters that cause many strange diseases that kill thousands of my own people, are your fellow men superior then mine? that are dying in thousands because of this waste?? be fair man.
Poverty is not for the sake of hardship. No, it is there because nothing exists but God. Poverty unlocks the door -- what a blessed key!
- Jalaluddin al-Rumi
Sorry friend, I didn't mean to hurt you. I Made a general comment on the issues in the world(when realsomeone raised concern about root causes of the problems) where west play main role killing innocents. The way you feel, those innocents killed by the western intruders also have families....
I have the right to accuse west as they kill my innocent brother and sisters all over the world by the name of "fighting against terrorism". Tell me who terrorised the world?? The people in Afghan? The people in Iraq? The people in Palestine? No the west ... They aided different groups for their cause in different occassions and used them, and started calling them terrorist and started killing them when they are not in need of such groups.
Here you find the answers regardin' to ur post on my argument:
Firstly, I didn't know that Realsome1 was from Somalia, and that's why he tried to justify those goddamned pirates of Somalia tellin' that they were as fishermen.
Secondly, why I mustn't put an end or fight against those goddamned pirates when they are killin' of my co-patriots? I think I'm fully right in that situation.
Imagine, what would you have done if those pirates attack ur brother or father, or ur husband or whoever close to you?
Before accusing or arguing with smbd, just have a glance at your background and try to have the feeling what those crews families having had now.
That's only terrible!
Hopin' ur uderstandin'!
Marc Eiselstein
tsskkk...I dunno there once was a time when all pirates wanted was a map to find a buried treasure chest with a faithful parrot the their shoulder......what is the world coming to?
I just responded to realsomeone when he pointed about the root cause. I tride to point out the general attitude of international community towards the issues. As a somalian, realsome one know better about the cause and he raised the voice. You just ignored that and blindly calling them as pirates where as realsomeone calls them as fishermen who lost their livelihoods due to the intrution of european fishing vessels/dumping wastes. Why don't you think in that way....
Who are you to end the life of others....?
C'mon, be more pragmatic, what are you talkin' about?
I'm not talkin' about the race, religion, or nationality or smth else.
Forget about that, 'coz I am also European Muslim who had accepted the Islam, so forget about all those issues, what you have said.
What I'm carin' about is we have to CAPTURE those AFRICAN esp. SOMALIAN Pirates who are kidnapping all the innocent European crew and demanding ransom for them. It's not the first time, they have been doin' that since for years.
But, Enough is Enough. They have to stop that, otherwise we'll put an end to their lives together with international community.
Best to all,
Marc Eiselstein
Realsomeone, your point is valid. But who is going to listen you....No one. No one especially from the West. They know the root cause and they are the main cause for that.... In this world, all the troubles are happening due to one or another issue which the international community treating in a way based on race/nationality/religion. You see the problems in Palestine/Iraq/Afghanistan/India/Philipines...etc. They are not thinking about the root causes. You remember when there was a separatist movement at East Timor, Australians and Americans reacted very fast and insisted Indonesia to give independence to East Timor, becuase it has Christian majority. The same way now in India, Christians were attacked by some Hindu militants, The west reacted well. Some years back the same Hindu militants killed millions of Muslims in Gujarat and no any "humanitarians" raised any concern. So the world, especially the west will act only against the muslim world. The christian majority West is afraid of Islam because if islam get hold on the world, their interest based economy will be perished very soon.
OK let me see how the europeans do, and by the way i read a news in somali from the pirates lately they said "they will kill European citizens if france doesnt release the pirates they captured"
so am really afraid for you guys. be careful when you sail in the high seas.
Poverty is not for the sake of hardship. No, it is there because nothing exists but God. Poverty unlocks the door -- what a blessed key!
- Jalaluddin al-Rumi
No, I don't agree with you at all!
Sure, we'll capture them, and kill those African Pirates (esp. those from Somalia). They are giving to all Europeans a "damn hard time". I promise you all that,
soon, we'll CAPTURE them, guyz. Don't panic, don't worry!
The European Union headed by Nikolia Sarkozi is also workin' on it, The Russian Federation, the Ukraine, and other countries and as well as America!
Goddamn you Pirates, soon we'll put an end to ur lives!
Best regards,
Marc Eiselstein
you just seem to be over reacting, these guys didnt kill anyone they only kidnap ships and you know why? these people were fishermen and i remember the trouble they faced in the seas they got their boats destroyed their nets cut by large fishing ships and the result? i think you can figure that out.
so as i already said the so called international community should solve the root cause and stop illegal fishing and waste dumping in Somalia waters, in fact these guys arent pirates in the eyes of many Somalis but they are sea marines. and you know wat they call their ransom? a FINE.
i hope you will capture the illegal ships in the somalia waters too that dumb waste in these waters that cause the death of thousands of people by diseases.
Poverty is not for the sake of hardship. No, it is there because nothing exists but God. Poverty unlocks the door -- what a blessed key!
- Jalaluddin al-Rumi
These African (esp. Somalian) pirates have to be hung! Goddamn with them! I hate them! if I had the opportunity, I would have captured them and hung them!
They are not human at all. They are attacking every ship on their coastlines. That's so sad.
I wonder, why the international community is dealing with other kind of issues, instead of capturing and killing those Somalian pirates?
They talk about Russia's agression over Georgia (tough it's not agression at all, Russia just defended their citizens from the attack of Georgia in South Ossetia, I want that they got killed.
I heard those pirates names sound like as they are Muslims. If they are Muslims why they have to attack to innocent people and kill them, I think in Islam it's not nice even to hurt smbd, they are not hurting, they are even giving a hard time to all the crew in the ship, and as well as to their families?
So, don't worry, guyz, soon we'll capture them and hang or judge them in the International Court in the Hague!
Best to all,
Marc Eiselstein
realsome: you are right ;)
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
they should deal the root cause first, otherwise never expect piracy will end there, they should stop the illegal fishing and toxic waste dumbing in somalia waters.
Poverty is not for the sake of hardship. No, it is there because nothing exists but God. Poverty unlocks the door -- what a blessed key!
- Jalaluddin al-Rumi
You can't teach experience...
It's time to get a stop to the piracy in the waters outside Somalia. Several European Countries are now planning sending Navy Vessels into the Area to protect the Vessels going past.
But it will prove difficult, like stopping the Piracy in the Strait of Malacca which is still going on.
No one acts alone, that's for sure.
"Everything in this book may be wrong." Illusions: The Adventures of The Reluctant Messiah by Richard Bach
I saw a report that Somali pirates have netted $30 million so far this year. Personally I think they have bitten off more than they can chew. . . .
Seeing the photos...
I mean that ship is waaaay too high and humongous and the 'pirates' got them invaded on a deflating boat seems kinda stupid...
"Everything in this book may be wrong." Illusions: The Adventures of The Reluctant Messiah by Richard Bach
U.S. warships surrounded the hijacked MV Faina and its military cargo off Somalia's coast Monday.
By ROB CRILLY | Correspondent of The Christian Science Monitor from the September 30, 2008 edition
Nairobi, Kenya - American and European warships surrounded a hijacked Ukrainian freighter anchored off the coast of Somalia Monday, after the MV Faina – with its cargo of Russian tanks, antiaircraft guns, and rocket-propelled grenades – was snatched last Thursday by pirates apparently linked to Somalia's Islamist movement.
The prospect of insurgents controlling a ship loaded with weapons seems to have prompted international navies to get serious about fighting piracy in what have become the world's most dangerous waters.
"The sheer volume of weapons on board, and the fact that it could even represent the turning point in the Islamists' war on land, could serve to force the international community to get serious, albeit rather later," says Bruno Schiemsky, a recent chairman of the United Nations' Monitoring Group on Somalia.
But shipping companies oppose a militarization of this crucial cargo artery, and experts say the problems at sea can't be fixed without first addressing the anarchic country's problems on land. "We can't solve the problem by destroying a couple of speedboats. It's not a sea problem it's a land problem," Mr. Schiemsky continues. "It needs a structural response, clearing their headquarters and bases."
The US Navy said Monday that destroyers, cruisers, and helicopters were deployed within 10 miles of the MV Faina and its 21 crew members hijacked en route to the Kenyan port of Mombasa.
"My crew is actively monitoring the situation, keeping constant watch on the vessel and the waters in the immediate vicinity," the ship's commanding officer, Curtis Goodnight, said in a statement.
The pirates are demanding $20 million for the return of the Faina, which has 33 T-72 tanks on board. It is currently anchored off the small town of Hobyo, about 400 miles north of Mogadishu.
Rather than take action on land, the international response to piracy has so far centered on using naval power to keep pirates at bay. Combined Task Force 150, set up as part of Operation Enduring Freedom to tackle international terrorism, has been patrolling shipping lanes through the Gulf of Aden. It has established a series of way points marking a safe corridor, monitored by warships and coalition aircraft overhead.
Lieutenant Nathan Christensen, a spokesman for Combined Task Force 150, based in Bahrain, insists the naval vessels are stemming attacks. "We have deterred pirate attacks – 12 in the past month – so we are having an impact," says Lieutenant Christensen. "But this is an international problem and needs an international solution. It will take more than the six or seven ships we have in 2.4 square miles of sea."
Getting international cooperation has proved difficult, though. This month's surge in pirate attacks has prompted some countries to send help to protect the waterway: Malaysia has dispatched three naval vessels, and a Russian destroyer is also on its way. But calls by the French and Spanish governments to set up a naval group tasked specifically with tackling piracy have so far come to nought.
Private military contractors provide one possible way of plugging the gaps. Armed security teams standing watch would deter all but the boldest of pirates, but the proposal is unpopular with shipping lines.
Giles Noakes, head of security for Bimco, a shipping association that represents 65 percent of the industry, says, "We are extremely unhappy with the pressure that is being placed on us in this area. We maintain that the risks of collateral damage both to ships and innocent seafarers are significant if we go down that road."
Piracy spread off the coast of Somalia after the collapse of its Siad Barre's regime in 1991. Two years ago it was all but stamped out by the Union of Islamic Courts, which controlled most of southern and central Somalia for six months. But the pirates returned with a vengeance this year.
Though the Islamists shut down the pirates when they were in power, it seems they are happy to use them to help bring weapons, cash, and fighters into the country as they wage war against the government and Ethiopian forces.
The pirates appear to be operating in conjunction with al-Shabaab, the youth wing of Somalia's Islamist movement, which controls the key port city of Kismayo and swaths of the country, says Schiemsky. "They have been sending pickups from their strongholds in Mogadishu to go and collect the weapons."
Much of the problem stems from Puntland, right at the tip of the Horn, which declared itself semiautonomous in 1998 and was once hailed as a model for a stable Somalia, says Rashid Abdi Sheikh, a Horn of Africa analyst with the International Crisis Group.
The breakdown of Puntland's government allowed pirate gangs to evolve into organized criminal networks, he explains. "Unless you fix Puntland, you cannot fix piracy. The chaos there has spread to the sea," he said.
SL: LOL, how was your weekend?
Heero: I think thoose ships are only controling the pirate moves, when they decide to attack.....
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
3 war ships and 5 planes can't do anything? It's gotta be the Black Pearl indeed. That's the only boat that even survived in the afterlife and octopuses...
"Everything in this book may be wrong." Illusions: The Adventures of The Reluctant Messiah by Richard Bach
The Russians are on the way. Do your buddies just like to piss off everyone or what?
Yeaps, probably they will, either them or some other forces
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
Because france was the only country that was able to kill pirates and captured 12 now on trial in Paris.
and they saved their people. two times.
Poverty is not for the sake of hardship. No, it is there because nothing exists but God. Poverty unlocks the door -- what a blessed key!
- Jalaluddin al-Rumi
Why french?
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
lol yeah when that happens a french commandos will be dispatched :)
Poverty is not for the sake of hardship. No, it is there because nothing exists but God. Poverty unlocks the door -- what a blessed key!
- Jalaluddin al-Rumi
Alexa: lol
Realsome: Of course they aren't, just wait till the company refuses to pay, what are they gonna do? They kill crew and they are dead
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
I hope they do. so far they didnt hurt anyone during the last two years when the piracy hit new level.
Poverty is not for the sake of hardship. No, it is there because nothing exists but God. Poverty unlocks the door -- what a blessed key!
- Jalaluddin al-Rumi
Yup Platao they shouldnt hurt the crew, i listened their interview from the BBC they didnt sounded scared.
He said they talked to the American Warship and they told they wont attack them but they are there just to make sure they dont unload the materials.
the Captain said they are being treated well.
Poverty is not for the sake of hardship. No, it is there because nothing exists but God. Poverty unlocks the door -- what a blessed key!
- Jalaluddin al-Rumi
Well, they wanna die? So be it.
Just a peatty that some inocent may get killed in the meantime.
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
Totally in agreement with you Abu, in fact i was there that time in Mogadishu and you really cant imagine how i felt it was too good to be true. they bring things under control within 1 month. and they even captured 6 pirates, there was no pirate attack during that 6 months.
but sadly now its the worst in 18 years.
Poverty is not for the sake of hardship. No, it is there because nothing exists but God. Poverty unlocks the door -- what a blessed key!
- Jalaluddin al-Rumi
Jack Sparrow!!! lol there are 3 war ships and 5 planes surrounding them but still no action.
Poverty is not for the sake of hardship. No, it is there because nothing exists but God. Poverty unlocks the door -- what a blessed key!
- Jalaluddin al-Rumi
Where is Captain Jack Sparrow, when u need him...!!! Guess, its de rum... Hic... hic..
lol Abu, i wish they handed over to the ISLAMIC COURTS. the puppy goverment will have come to an end.
Poverty is not for the sake of hardship. No, it is there because nothing exists but God. Poverty unlocks the door -- what a blessed key!
- Jalaluddin al-Rumi