Purpose of life??
Are not there times where you sit in your own and think of life and death and events and past and future???
Do you not question what is going on infornt of you(wars, world crisis, accidents, situations etc) from time to time??
Do you not think of death and whether there is another life or that is it??
Does not religions (all of them) get factored into your thoughts about life??
How deep and passionate do you get to think about all of this??
Are you really bothered and feeling there is a story which is worth searching for??
Please try to stick to the topic and use respectful terms to all beliefs.
I hope we will get exposed to a wide spectrum of thoughts on this subject.
Ashwin, fantastic definitions you come up for religious and spirituality.
Well regarding the trust.. u have to trust the conversation. The discussion. The content.
If we have to pull your q on trust.. then q is why r u not asking my name? About me? Why only u want to know about my belief!
Did i ask u about u ppls belief? No.. caz i know if i can trust the information u r passing. If i like it.. i will take it :-). The intention is not to drag others to follow certian belief but to discuss.
When we r extremely thirsty, we drink water to quench our thirst. at that point we don't ask from where the water came! At that moment, it's immaterial for us if the water has dropped from the sky, or desalinated, or minaralized. As soon as we see water and our senses evaluate it to be drinkable, we gulp water.
Ashiwin..
I am sorry for calling it a hijack..it is not...agreed!
Volcano..this attitude of suspecting that we are afraid of being convinced of other beliefs is not the right attitude to make a constructive debate and discussion!
it is not personal, not invasion and it is nothing bad.
Voli... you missing the whole point....
Not the fear to agree with you Logically.... It is the curiosity... n about not able to trust....
Can you help us trusting you???? we think if we know wht we are.... we ll be comfortable....
AGAIN.. it is not about which face (religion) of GOD... it is about how and a Why for the How.....
If we can reach Logically to your way of Worship.. I am open... No ego problem for tht...
I am Spiritual not religious,,,,,
Religion is Following set of rules because somebody says so...
Spirituality is realizing the truth behind the rules n there beauty.. n in bibbing it in life.....
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CBD, I still don't understand why you want to know my belief? Don't you think u r invading personal matters?
I only guess two possible things:
1) Asking my belief could be possible future defence for you. (i.e. you may fear that during the discussion you may agree to certain things and at the end i will tell that look guys the things you agreed are written here / in this belief / as per my belief etc. and at that time you can't say no caz u already agreed)
2)You are founder member of QL / employeed in QL so as to keep the thread/posts alive.
I don't know about 2nd. But 1st I can assure you that I will try not to co-relate my belief to our discussion.
:-)
Volcano - As said... nothing goes as we plan.... this is life....
It is not about your believes any more.. as I had said.. it is about helping us know you..... trust you... A hello is needed before we start talking to anyone.....
CBD - this is not a Hijack man... people are writing what strikes them after reading the main forum... You cannot expect them to go through the last 10 15 posts and see whts goin on....
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volcano...
don't you notice this hijack happened right after ur refusal of revealing ur belief??
people here feel free and open to discussion..therefore thier discussion is right at the heart of the matter..while you represented an obstacle..as confirmed by Ashwin and myself..
Peace and take it easy
guys, as i said before now you are discussing abt religions... which was not intended...
our question is - what's purpose of human life?
And we are thinking in all directions.
CBD?? Thanks... So is true in Hinduism... If your parents are not willing to let you become a Saint or follow GOD the way you want to.. Your priority is GOD...
You wont have a second thought actually if he wants you to follow him.
But as a Person (not Hinduism)... I am saying... Parents first.... 1stly they would not stop you from loving God..
Honestly in todays world... they won't believe there ears n eyes if they see there Son or Daughter as God oriented and not materialistic pleasures n desires oriented (this includes everything.. enjoyment of all sense organs...)
With Parents when I love I do not have fear of losing them...
Even if I m the biggest brat ever born on this planet... I know parents shall love me....
Yes they ll scold me n Beat me.. but for my Good...
Till the date I didn know that They beat me bcoz they want to help me.... I was scared of Dad's Beatings.... (Mom was equally dangerous)
But the Day I understood... Even his Beatings n Scoldings are to make me a better man...
I started seeing love in his fingerprints on my face too... :)
Dad Once Beat Hell out of me... I had done a BIG BIG mistake... no need to share tht...
Then later he said " After I am gone I want you to not only be able to stand on your legs but thrive....
To make a Steel out of Pig Iron.. It has to go through lot of heat n treatment from Hammer... remember... I want you to be Man with best Steel Ever"
This would sound little out of the world.....
But Since that day,, I love being scolded by him....
And Love and Respect him more... Not tht I didn earlier... But when I realized how much he likes me.....
I too realized consciously..... How much I love him and mom....
same is true when it Comes to God change to God wherever I have mentioned Dad and jus see....
Ishiqa hope it shows Why I Love n Respect God.. and not Fear...
Again This is my personal belief... My experience....
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The perfect message!
He has not just sent you to do whatever you want; He will do the detail audit of your (account) each and every activity; we did in the day-light and in the dark, where nobody was around But HE 'OMNIPRESENT' was there.
??????????
in islam fear is also as important ,
love and fear exists simultaneously,
if you love someone sincerely there is always the fear of loosing him, you do not want to do anything that will harm your relationship.
therefore fear of god is very important, when one fears Allah and his wrath, he will not disobey him.
a small child will love his father as well as respect , but he will also fear to disobey or do something against his dads will, because of the fear of being scolded or beaten,
Allah loves, but also want us to obey him, to fear his wrath which may come out of disobedience towards him.
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Ashwin..
In Islam God is the priority..and muslims are so serious in this regard...
If your mother tell you to violate God's command..then as a muslim, you should not do that even if it is your mother's command..
God states that we should take care of parents even though we violate thier command's when it clashes with that of God
Nice words Ishqia
True... Love for God (Allah as you noun him) Should be most than anyone else...
But Mother is Mother.... it is really difficult to imagine Loving more than what at least I feel for her...
Tht is like my 100% bench mark of pure n true love...
There are many who say even mothers love is out of greed n stuff... but I don believe....personal choice... thts it
With LOVE comes Respect... not Fear....
Love and Respect for GOD... is most important thing.. ( same feeling as you have.. jus expressing self with different set of words)
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yes slave, we are the slaves of god, but this doesnt mean you arent suppose to love him, in worldly sense, one may not see any love between his master and slave, but in islam to love and fear Allah is one of the most important thing,
and Allah loves us even more than a mother loves her child,
the love of mother is no comparison to the love of Allah,
the love for Allah in our heart must exceed all the other love that exists in this world
Ok ashwin, the topic we are discussin is - what's purpose of life?
In this connection we reached until the part where u said that everything is ultimately made of Complete energy. Then we discussed where this Complete energy came from. As such our thinking doesn't go beyond this. Thus I proposed that there could be perceptible part of the universe and imperciptible part.
Now we will focus on perceptible part of the universe. The chain could be like this: complete formless energy - energy takes form - life enters into this form (now this life cud be animals, sea creatures, birds and human also )
Thus we have big picture. From there we will focus on specific area of the big picture i.e. human life. Out of the above three steps, 2nd step could be co-related to the first of five classification I already mentioned. (i.e. things without life). 3rd step could be co-related to (2,3,4) i.e. things with life, things with life and low ego, things with life and high level of ego.
Humans could be allocated to 4th classification (things with life and high level of ego).
Now we could discuss further, once we understood these basic things.
Ashwin, we can disucss even very basic things also. Please feel free. It's not that whatever i have to say you have to agree. rather questions are expected.
Volcano - I think you again got me wrong.
We cannot force you but neither can we live without it...
It is not that we want to know which religion you where born in or which religion you follow or Which God you pray.
What we wanted to know is what is spirituality for you.
Why you pray the way you pray to God.... And why are you spiritual if at all you are...
As I said... a basic intro of you.. Intro without Name, Nationality, Religion, and true name....
Because without that.... we do not know What to talk and why to talk...
Hope you understand the problem...
the interest you have in Black hole n beyond... it is difficult for us to feel the same intensity.. as we do not have a base... Why you think so...
Like you might count me in idiots to act like a Kid..
But CBD knows I like being as innocent as a child... Since he knows the importance of innocence for me.. so expects tht..
he might not be convinced for the reason I have but he knows tht I like it.. and respects my desire to be so...
If it is suppose to go as you keep giving the Scientific discoveries in spiritual context and I am jus suppose to say YES for it and do not know why it is so.. where you want it to be..... If I say anything against it.. you feel I am going out of topic.... when I don know wht is the topic you refer to... how can I stick to it.......
whtever stimuli are provoked after listening to A,A-1, Black hole if are not the topic we are discussing then I wont enjoy the journey much....
Hope you too wont enjoy tht a lot.....
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Ashwin,thanks for ur reply.
We will discuss. But one thing i don't understand. You voluntarily told ur beliefs, ideology. Nobody forced you or others. So it's my request not to force any others about their ideology.
So we were discussing last time about black hole. As u might have known, we and science know little about black holes. Because even light entered into it won't come out. The gravity of black hole is high. That is to say black hole is imperceptible. So overall we can say the universe having perceptible and impercetible. Imperciptible part is infinite and perceptible part is finite.
NOw the question could be - how the complete formless energy takes form? Why it has to take form?
And we are interested in knowing where have you reached while pondering in this question all alone... as where we till this post....
Buddy - trust us... try us....
Talking your heart is easiest with strangers....
No past issues no future together.... we don know who we are in person....
Only Ideologies.... and thts wht we want to know...
Not forcing you.... who are we to do so...
But we ll like to...
Your wish.... its Democracy on this Post.. :)
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cbd i m not hiding anything. But we are discussing the questions, right? The belief doesn't come in between? As mentioned earlier we are taking help from scriptures, mythology etc. to clarify ourselves.
Additionally, the discussion is not on belief, right? It's the searching answers to our questions. You let me clarify my discussions.. jumping on what i believe or not is too personal. And that cud not be relevant to current discussion.
If u still wud like to contribute... welcome!
(It's not that i started thinking caz of this post.. it's only sharing my views to like minded people! If anybody is interested to discuss, gud.. if not... still my thinking will continue but wid myself)
Ashwin..
i agree with you and would like to extend on ur note too..
Volcano..i don't see value in continueing this discussion if you will hide your belief..
continueing the discussion here without knowing your view would be like talking to myself..prrof to this is that i had to repeat my point in few of my last post!
If you are interested, speak up and show yourself. Otherwise, I leave you with Ashwin if he wills to continue though i doubt it.
Peace
ashwin, i don't think everything has to go as i had planned. rather i didn't plan anything. I just happened to enter into QL site after more than 1 years. i saw the post and it was interesting and i started discussing.
Those are the always questions come to my mind and i thoguth i found somebody else pondering on the same topic. So it was a gud idea to share the views.
It's gud that u r still interested. at least we can exchange the ideas..
True - It is the Answer you have right now with you...
If you do not want to call it a conclusion, say your idea....
And why you think we need a huge discussion, decision shall last till we get to the answer, it can be the very next post.... who knows... Why to limit the size of the discussion let it be a variable.
But to know wht is yours is vital....
How vital... ?? CBD had posted earlier... tht this not opening up was the very reason he thinks which killed the discussion then.....
And tht was the reason why I had to openly comment tht I am still interested.... something which should have been understood.. not declared openly...
So now you know it is important???
anyways why you think everything has to go as you had planned???
the very beauty of living is change... live it...
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Ashwin, we r discussing to get the conclusion. How can we mention the conclusion at the beginning itself?
It's only after the huge discussion, we can have conclusion, right?
And Volcano shall express his stuff -
1. Bcoz he doesn mind expressing himself
2. We really want to know before we proceed with the discussion.
I apologize if you find me as persuasive as small kids are..... But what to do..... tht is me.....
I shall comment on the above post as soon as you give us your view....
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guys, i m not worried about expressing myself.
Ashwin as u said there's no point where we can't go beyond. So that's unperceptable part. Scientifically there's source of energy i mean science says that the complete formless energy was lying within something.... it's kinda black hole (i guess u shud know this scientific theory). But that's again we don't know wha'ts inside black hole. So it's unperceptible part.
Now we have perceptible part and unpercetible part. Taking help from maths we can say unperceptible part is infinite in nature while perceptible part of universe is finite in nature. So we can focus on perceptible part of the universe so that our discussion won't enter into endless, baseless, unpercetible part of universe.
volcano - Ohk I agree here is where our reasoning leaves us alone... after reaching this point... as you say A or A - 1, now what...
And I ll go with CBD - We need to know your views.....
Now it is only 3 of us - no question of not taking anything unsportsmanlike or personally...
Nothing would offend either of us... I know my self.. n have seen CBD on many forums...
we both (me n CBD) have shared our views.. or to be more correct.. conclusion to this question we strongly believe in.. or do rt now -
Expect the same from you -
Reply awaited with the appropriate answer we anticipating....
Feel at home buddy... nobody s judging you or watching you..
write your heart out..... we are there don worry....
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volcano...establishing a reference is the very reason for which you need to reveal your belief!
CBD, i mean to say it may take this form in future.. which i don't want to ....
I know u r quiet open but discussing on religion is always hot issue for everybody... so we will try to keep those issues at a distant as much as possible (but at the end we need to take reference from those scriptures.. and we are quiet mature enough in that way)
ashwin, what u r saying could be right in the context (or from the point) we assume that there's formless complete energy. But we need to think beyond that point. We can't assume this formless complete energy just appeared. if we stretch our imagination... we will have to stress it.... and find out how this formless energy existed....
Thus we can't go beyound certain point. (here beyound formless complete energy). This is our assumption point or starting point. but we should not forget that beyound this also there's possibility of thinking. If we consider this as the beginning say A then there has to be another beginning before this beginning A ie. A-1. But we can't stretch our imagination/thinking/intellect beyound this point. So we have reached a point beyound which the universe is unperceptible. Got it?
volcano..i did not say it is between ur belief and mine..but u referred to this urself. u said, you did not yet tell ur opinion. then what are you here for if you will keep ur opinion until loss time!
Ashwin, thanks for sticking by!
Snowyowl,
This forum started to address survival and thanks for the blessings :)
Exactly.... As it does not have a start.. it ll not have a end....
If it came in at any point of time.. then it shall be doomed to go too...
Which is not possible.... This energy cannot die... it shall jus change forms.... there is no deterioration or aging effect on energy.....
If it is not aging.... it was never born.... it shall never Die... Only the forms change...
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yeah, but now, where this complete intelligent energy come from?
considering that this complete energy is not taking any form.... now we have formless complete energy. This formless complete energy was there before any form. So q is where this formless complete energy come from?
Volcano - 3 is a good number.... m comfortable with it.
but not very much with the mentioned below -
Beginning A is beginning of What??? Of a thing which has beginning and hence end.....??
We live in our Solar System, which is part of Galaxy Milky Way, and these galaxies shall cluster to form something more bigger.. till we know or can imagine....
But irrespective of the size...
The total energy shall remain same....
It shall be there in one or the other forms, which shall have a beginning and a end....
Energy (the complete energy... I call this as Complete Intelligent Energy..God) shall have no beginning and hence no end.... it is there before beginning and shall be there.... even after the end....
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well, ashwin nice to read that u r still interested in the topic... u have quest to understand....it's gud
and i m really amazed that u r reading all the posts missed by you!
But i guess now most of the discussion is between three of us...
As i mentioned in my first post.. when all our senses (five plus one) stop working we need to be humble...
"When there was beginning (A).. that was the end of the beginning (A-1) started before the beginning (A). [ here A-1 to be read as A minus 1].. and when this beginning (A) will end then that's starting of next beginning (A+1).. " now if i have to write like this then there's no end and no start (then there will series of beginning like..... A-n, A, A+n (where n = 1,2,3,4...).
But if i have to write only one sentence as mentioned above then we may understand. So this portion is perceptible part of universe (to humans brain) and the remaining is unperceptible part of the universe.
While discussing we have leave this unperceptible part as it's beyond perception. We need to focus on only perceptible part of the universe.
lol.. Finally ...
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ha ha ha ha ha ha ashwin... at least i read one sensible e-mail from u.....
CBD... n Volcano -
Understand one thing clearly... very clearly....
If I am not posting... means I am not online.... not tht not interested......
In spite of all the attacks n counter attacks.. I m still waiting for the answers....
I respect CBD and shall stick by him till end... ( when I mean business I mean business even if it has a humorous flavor...)
I do not take the Appreciations seriously.. So neither I have right to get annoyed when treated the other way...
So carry on -
m here - And we need people who are interested in discussing and not to massage there egos by portraying there superiority on the Subject but forget to be humble enough to help others too, in there spiritual journey.....
Humble is a virtue Only a Strong can wear... not a pretender....
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CBD...thanks but no thanks. Survived this long quite well without doing so. You go ahead with my blessings :)
smile lots laugh more
well cbd, it's not the discussion or debate between what you beleive and what i beleive.
It's like a collection of various thoughts. Whatever u have thoughts (say references so far collected from various religions) we can share.
Most of the ppl stopped at certain stage. They don't want to go beyond there belief. But to my understanding.. the discovery starts from that certain stage...
snowyowl..consider this as an invitation to start pondering about it..
volcano..
i have asked you to reveal your beliefs but you did not and because i respect your privacy i did not repeat the question and i don't think you missed my question.
It took me courage & sincereity to reveal my belief and thoughts to pursue the argument where you have not.
Now you accuse people of impatience while you dried discussion out!
Not bothering to read through all other posts...(sorry)
But for me....the answer is no. I do not ponder those questions you posed. I live every day I have and enjoy it as such. Simple
smile lots laugh more
well, i guess people got bored of discussing. Or short of thoughts.
CBD, as i said before the thinking expressed here doesn't necessarily tell my opinion. Until now i have not expressed my own opinion at all.
Anyways, gud to have some sort of discussion here. But what's lacking is patience.
Prettypink..
Thanks for the encouraging words..people like you take hope further!
CBD you seem to be a good person, really! I do hope you get your answers. Like I said earlier, if you want to know more, I can help you. You seem to have a matured mind and remained focused no matter who said what. Very nice way of ending a thread. God bless and keep persevering but hope you accept the Truth.
Ciao!
Prettypink.. good advise which i am about to take.
Ishqia..Azam..SAMDIN..sunset….thank you for passionate participation!
Ashwin..i may not be having the flow required but i consider this thread a success because it provoked thinking and hopefully would produce something!
reborn..Great quote...:” It is quite true what Philosophy says:
that Life must be understood backwards.”
Volcano..i hope you think about reborn’s statement..i repeated this enough but let me tell you once more, probably you ned to have faith and believe in God and submit to him by not necessarily questioning what is next since you already have evidences!
Perhaps you need to revisit your concept of faith and believe! God rewards those who submit to him.
I hope you are aware of Abraham's issues when he was ordered to sacrifise his son and did not question why or how it would benefit GOD!! This is a fact and you may check history books for it.
Thank you all, it has been pleasure honestly..getting people to think is a good exercise.!!
Let us close this thread now and see you in subsequent ones!
Peace to all!
PrettyPink... You love to misunderstand me... Don you??
When it is said a soul undestands only form a soul..
It does not mean throw away the Books...They are Junk.... Books take out what is already hidden in you...
It ll make you intellectual... you ll become knowledgeable...
But your faith shall not be won by mere Words.... Soul shall take it from a soul only....
And thank you for blessing me with knowledge, wisdom and understanding... these are the only things I long for..
Ishiqa n Volcano - Yes we had a previous life.. I do believe...
I ll add another example for understanding the reaosn why we don remember -
When I talk in English.... the words of my mother Tongue are not in my mind....(I m not English) But if I try to think of them, they rush in my conscious mind...
It is present but not realized consciously at tht time...
same way if one wants to know about his previous life... he can... he has to try for it...
And Ishiqa... Are you sure when you say we are slaves for God...
Do Slaves love there masters?? I love God... he is not compelling himself on me... I love him coz he is majestic... All knowing... I love him coz I didn find anyone better then him to love....
CBD... are you sure we are goin towards the answer this time?????
Purpose of life....???
Is to understand the unknown with help of known... in your language.. or living with our true instinct.. natural instinct.. is purpose of life.... our activities should not be affected by rational thinking?
Plants Don and they are happy... n true to there nature...
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ishqia, thanks for participating. But the Q is why to create all those things. Why to creat human and then test them? why not creat ideal human?
well, soul exists. and it has engraved memory of pasts. But because it has come to this body form it has forgotton the past. if by some means we can read those engraving on the soul we can remember past also. (Thus if we refer some news the person remembering the past; this could be the logic)
why were human created at all?
it seems when god created man, angels asked him ,why r u creating a human who will obey less and shed much blood on earth, and disobey you?
God replied, i know that which you know not,
there is always wisdom behind everything,
and he said among them will be my slaves who will sincerely worship me and obey my commandments,
he is testing all his slaves , and he will gift or punish them in this life or hereafter accordingly,
and one more point i would like to add, before a person comes into this world his soul is already existing, one may ask why is it that we do not remember?
Do you remember your early childhood memories, no right,
but u existed at that time, indeed ur soul also existed in the similiar way,
Sad that there are so many religious books that people learn from and so many great philosophers who's books have been wasted and so sad for the people to depend on the books that they have to learn from. Every soul then needs a personal tutor in the like, not books. May God bless you with some knowledge,understanding and wisdom
PrettyPink - To my great surprise our ideoligies and approach match...
But I ll share with you what I ve seen...
The truth is always around us... we listen to it....
But do not.. believe it is...
Becuase the Soul (if you believe we have one) does not and cannot learn from books or videos or logic in broad...
A Soul onlu learns from a Soul...
If I trust in you that you shall give the answer to the Question I m seeking.... Your thoughts shall go deep inside me... I ll internalize them.. and be able to appreciate the beauty of your answer...
If I d not trust you.. your soul - No matter how good the answer is there shall be logic n other barriers.. which shall may be unconscionably but shall stop me from believing the truths you give....
Tht is the reason we need teachers in school... only Books never make us understand....
And Ishiqa... nice post....
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It is quite true what Philosophy says:
that Life must be understood backwards.
But that makes one forget the other saying:
that it must be lived -- forwards.
The more one ponders this, the more it comes to mean that life in the temporal existence never becomes quite intelligible, precisely because at no moment can I find complete quiet to take the backward-looking position.
WHY ARE YOU HERE IN QATAR? TO WORK , EARN AND SAVE FOR A BETTER LIFE BACK IN YOUR COUNTRY WHERE YOU HAVE A PERMANENT RESIDENCY.
THE MORE YOU EARN AND SAVE , THE MORE HAPPILY YOU CAN LIVE.
IN THE SAME WAY, GOD HAS SENT US TO THIS WORLD TO DO GOOD DEEDS AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE WHILE HAVING A MEANINGFUL LIFE AND TO SAVE THE ACCOUNT OF GOOD DEEDS TO HAVE A BETTER LIFE AFTER DEATH.
AND DEATH IS LIKE A TRIP TO YOUR HOME LAND WHERE YOU BELONG PERMANANTLY.
SO DONT WAIST LIFE AND OPPORTUNITIES TO FILL UP YOUR GOOD DEED BANK ACCOUNT .
sunset, i already mentioned the question is fathomless.... means we know that we are not going to reach to end
but still we are discussin caz we want to ....
as CBD mentioned we r trying to know the unknown with what little known we know.
Pretty it wud be nice if u can give precise reference. And the question is why to create human life at all.
Created to reconstruct this earth and worship god, don't try to think too much in cases that ur mind will reach no end to it, but u can not stop the thinking, try when it irritates u to fetch for another topic.
My regards.
volacano.. read the follwing link
http://islam.about.com/od/creation/a/creation_2.htm
u can also check the following video,
The question is not baseless at all. It is a very relevant question. Unfortunately, not very many people know how to handle it. The question has a lot to ponder about. That is why there is a book that has come out, The Purpose Driven Life(What on Earth am I here for?). More and more literature etc will be now available as the End times approach because people are being given everything to equip themselves with the Truth before the Big Day. God doesn't want people to say "Why didn't you tell us?" He will be the one to say," I told you all, now it is too late."
Man was made, not because God needed them but because God desired to have them to share with Him all He has. Why would He make man on the last day before He rested and made the animals and plants etc first? He could have made man first if he wanted man to tell him what to do, right? He never made man His slaves even though He is our Creator. He gave man a choice to choose right from wrong right from the very beginning. Sadly, Adam chose to do wrong and everything from there on went downhill for humanity.
well it's great people started realizing not to waste the time on this thread: as i mentioned before the question itself is fathomless. Then, the question itself is baseless.
But for the people who are interested:
the next question could be if human life is existing on any other planet?
CBD, as i mentioned before i can write 100s of pages on the subject matter. rather i am seeing other participants who are loosing interest.
ishquia gud reference.. but q still remains how adams and eve are made. (if we have to follow religious literature). And why they are made at all.
CBD, don't waste your time carrying on this thread, check out what I asked him to read and then question it. Maybe then you'll start a more interesting thread. Who knows!!
volcano..
did not see ur reply to my lasy note! hope ur interest did not run out!
Prettypink,
good question! ("are you willing to risk eternity")
Ashwindoke, yes the truth is for everyone. However, only few will understand. Going public is not the idea here and definetly don't need anyone to tell me if I am right. I'm not running a popularity race here. The main thing is if someone really wants to know the truth,get onto Google, type in The truth about hell and read it. That's not the only truth, there is much more to it. Are you willing to risk eternity? It's not something to debate about but something for you to ponder about. However, read it with an open heart and mind and I pray that you understand it, as its not everyone's cup of tea.
Well great ppl always remembered by the name.
But this doesn't answer what is the purpose of life. There may so many ppl who has done greatest work but might not got popularity for whatsoever reasons.
Ashwin, try to focus on complicacy of the disucssion, if you can keep the thread that's wonderful.
What i mean to say that dimension changes as we move from one place to other; from earth to space..etc.
:-)
Arunajai - You might not be part of the current discussion...
but it was really nice wht you put forward...
The likes of Mahatma Gandhi, G. Luther King, Nelson Mendala, Dalai Lama... they are here to stay for ages....
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You never die if u are a good person all ur life u live in the mind and heart of ur loved ones. So just stop asking so many questions and enjoy life to the fullest.Ur good deeds will surely guide u to heaven.
Volcano..we are open to discussion..i am not trying to limit you..i need to know your belief so that i can establish a reference point to discuss with you accordingly..
bottom line...you may persue your questions but not necessarily you will find answer..
research religions and examine what they tell you...
I am against the evolution, in case you need to know, because it has no logical base whatsoever! not because i try to block people from thinking.
when i say use the known the define the unknown, i mean when you examine religion, and check it for correctness, you will probably reach a conclusioin.
you want to question, what will happen to humans? fine!
but in case you become convinced that humans are to worship God, would you really refrain from religion just because you can't answer some question though u r convinced on religion correctness?
Gravitational force is the link between Sun n Earth...
As it is not perceptional by the 5 sense organs we have, you term it bond and not a link.
And if we still are answering the initial questions, not even started answering them, when did we change the time Zone????
You say we are not here to see or judge Good or Bad Human are doin today...
But we are searching for answers to questions of before our entry into this world, after our exit, evolution, devolution....
CBD/Volcano - Help me... You know its all messed up big time inside my head now.....
If we are not answering to these questions one by one, rather coming up with one after the other.... makes it difficult for me....
Start answering or at least discussing the answers...
I gave mine, expecting something from you guyz....
And let us take one at a time....
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Science dont have answers to such questions.
What is the purpose of life?
What was b4 life?
what will be after?
and religion tries to answer them.. isnt it?
I am a muslim , and hence believe in islamic view of life,
please no offence, different people have different views and faith, i m telling about islam ,my faith..
in islam we believe that god , angels(creatures who sincerely obey and worship and praise god and never disobey)
,jinns(a creation of god who exist simulataneous to us , not visible to human eyes, who may obey or disobey, the devil is from them) existed b4 us.. and there might have been several other of his creations,
god , we believe is one , and has power over all things , and is always existing, he doesnt have a birth or death , a wife or a son, he has created beings so that they would worship him and obey him , we are all his slaves, they sea, the wind and every little thing that exist everything works with his command,
he made the paradise, the hell , the universe, the animals and all other beings etc
anyways coming to the life , he made humans, the first man adam and his wife eve, and for sometime they lived in heaven and with the will of Allah they were sent down to earth for a purpose,to worship Allah
from them the human race began , and as time elapsed people forgot their lord , got misguided by satan(devil) , went astray, Allah sent prophets , sent his message through angels,
Many believed , many didnt , every body chose there own path of life,
why did Allaah create us?
The answer is: so that we would worship Him, thank Him and remember Him, and do that which He has commanded us. This is because Allaah wants to test His slaves as to whether they will worship Him or worship others. That is after Allaah has showed the way to everyone. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
“Who has created death and life that He may test you which of you is best in deed” [al-Mulk 67:2]
“And I (Allaah) created not the jinn and mankind except that they should worship Me (Alone)” [al-Dhaariyaat 51:56]
Allah has given us mind to think , make choice, eyes to obeserve his creation, has created such complex universe, and gave us the ability to understand whats right and wrong ..
so that we would choose the right and shun the wrong ,
death will be painful for wrongdoers, and easy for the on right path,
and when people die, if they were steadfast in islam, they would be in peace and if they were the wrongdoers there will be the punishment of the grave until the day of judgement..
when all the people will be raisen back to life , and then Allah will do justice between everyone , and there will be paradise and hell...
then it will be an eternal life, either in the heaven or hell,
and one more thing, pls dont think that by worship i mean only praying, indeed earning ur living , marrying, and many other deeds necessary for life when done with good intention comes in worship, ie living our life as per allahs wish,
May Allah forgive me if i have said something wrong
tc
Metabolism.
Ashwin, it's gud that you r keeping the track. But don't loose the thread. Building has base. The base is based on groud / soil or earth. But earth itself doesn't have base. But earth has bond (in scientific terms the gravitational force). It's that invisible bond between earth and sun which keeps earth floating around the sun.
It's like on the ground we measure length with linear meter but in sea it's curvilinear meter. It's like when we enter from one time zone to another time zone. we need to adjust our watches to new time zone. Even though our watch is on tract we need to change the time to adjust the new time zone or we will not be with time.
we are not discussing what humans are doing ; good or bad. We are discussing very bottom question: what's the purpose of human life?
Lol CBD...
I should have had refreshed the page before posting my previous post... tht is hts of resonance of thinking.....
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CBD, this discussion is giving me good mental exercise.
Well, i m not denying everything else. But aren't we open to the discussions? We can still have those questions although unanswered and continue other ways in paralell.
By the time we will be having a series of questions generated. And then we can discuss on each Q to fathom the ultimate question - what is the purpose of human life?
Same way we can have next question - when human life will extinct (if at all)? And what will be there after that? Or it's just that current human form will evolve into another super evolved form? And this super evolved form will be totally different from current form. OR will it devolve (de-evolve) to lower form? Who knows the answer? Who has seen the infinite future? Who knows the infinite past?
I can't see at a distance,
for glasess on my eyes;
but i can see at unfathomable distance,
for moon is rising;
it's not because my eyes are powerful,
but the size of moon is so great!
:-)
Volcano -
I m definitely not among the smartest but m enough to know the examples are a tool, which you can use to convince either side of our discussion.....
I would not add a new one here. but shall high light how beautifully you are using them -
Here you spoke about Earth.... no base....
Few posts ago you mentioned about not aiming for building 11th floor, before finishing the foundation , 1st, 2nd.. n 10th......
I m a Good listener Volcano.....
Back to the topic -
The base, I said so as I wanted to get the initial questions answered in a very brief n crisp way.....
What was Before Human where Born???
I don know.. whtever I say would be dependent on my perception n assumptions... my understanding.. or mis-understanding...
If I say God only Knows... it is as good as accepting, I don't know.. in the later one.... I kill my pseudo-ego in accepting the fact tht I don't know.
Why Human created....
Human are the only animal who can think about the thoughts... and look what we do with the power....
We challenge nature, keep inventing new things in a futile attempt to be more happy.. but this progress is taking us more n more away from our true nature...
From innocence, from happiness..
Why my grand father looked more content farming the land than me... traveling half the world... he could have not even imagined in his life???
ACs, Vehicles, Internet... but he was happier than I am....
We are lesser n touch with Nature...
We have science to give happiness
Wrking other way round.. adds to misery more....
We have Religion for inner peace n Truth..
Wrking other way round - We are fighting in the name of it.....
Is anything we do is giving the results we expect it to?????
She/Nature proves us now and again she is way to powerful for us to fight against...
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volcano..you smash heard of the matter man! great..
there are many posts where we discussed topics similar without reaching a conclusion..
your question is very valid and to get you to think in this direction is indeed my intention in this post.
you asked earlier "When human life was created? When human life was not there, what was there?"
VALID Question for which I have no ANSWER.
However, you should not deny everything else just because we are stuck at answering this question!
you know what i mean?
Ashwin, we are searching for answers. So there's no basics. Its like there's no base for the answer or question. If u ask what's the base of earth then the answer is there's no base for earth. if u can observe the earth from the distance then it will appear as if hanged or floating. Those questions are like that. Pluse there's no up and down also. Caz as earth rotates the up in the morning becomes down in the evening.
So we need to think without basics. And try to find answer.
Life is a journey.. A journey from childhood to adulthood to old age A journey to the final destination of Death.
Make sure that you enjoy your journey make a lot of friends along the way.
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Hmm.. Thanks Guyz...
ya lets use the Wheel.. doesn matter which size....
If it evokes a issue... we ll see it then.....
lets see what we can make out of it...
Volcano - If these are the questions we are goin to start thinking with..... surely by the time we reach THE question..... it ll be 100 pages... :)
I suggest either you Volcano or CBD.. either.. jus brief through the basics needed to answer it, if I have a different opinion... we can discuss....
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CBD, as i mentioned before i can write 100s of pages on the topic.
We can approach the topic step by step. And still we are at the bottom of the first step. what is the purpose of human life? Still we cud not fathom the Q.
And the questions came before searching for the answers for above question - When human life was created? When human life was not there, what was there?
Yes CBD ,, I was the one who had commented the same few posts ago... Religion is the true nature of man,,,
but what is bothering me is this should not lead us in a biased why of thinking....
We should not have a coloured specticle on our eyes...
What I see red.... you should not see it as blue....
n PrettyPink -- I like your name.... it tells lots about you....
If you firmly believe in wht you have... share it in public.. we ll let you know how correct it is....
If it is.. then we all shall accept it rt??
m Sorry our name is not as good as CBDs... but damn curious n determined too to know wht you have ????
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ashwin, great to c u that you r still interested in the topic. I thought u disappeared.
well, we have to take the help from religion caz somebody already thoght in that direction before. So it's always good idea to take the help of those thinking. So that we won't be reinventing a wheel again. (just take the help of already invented wheel and try to make a car or possibly aeroplane ... hmm.. too much from a wheel )
And it's great that you had the patience to read all our posts.
Apart from scripture we need to take the help of what science says, what's tradition, what's mythology. So please contribute and shoot urself on the topic.
Ashwin..to answer your question, you need to understand concept of religion. Religion is the instinct of humans. so your question of finding a purpose outside religion is understandable but actually has no meaning, if you know what i mean.
Volcano, i think u had enough.
Gypsy, could you explain what "so much for pride being a sin" means?
CuriousbutDetermined, I like your username, it says a lot about you and your attitude. There is so much you need to know and I can help you. You can send me a private message and ask all your questions. You are on the right track from the fact that you asked this in the first place. Sadly not very many will tell you the truth. Please don't stop here if you want to know where you would go if you die tomorrow, heaven or hell and what qualifies you to go to either place. Please get in touch with me, don't delay.
Regards
Volcano And CBD -
Boy... My bad luck I was busy in office and you guyz have come up with Gem of a Thoughts... Blessing in Disguise fir you guyz.. :)
There is also some wage but very strongly determined comments from Gypsy
Volcano - I had a question if I could share with you guyz... Pls help me figure out this one...
See.. purpose of life would have had existed even if we had not encountered religion or say We had not discovered the truths of and about God....
So can we think of Purpose independent of religion??????
And about the purpose of other living n non living creatures..... They are living the way they should... isn't it???
Its only us who are given the option and we screw up big time..... lols...
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CBD my last two statements was to clarify myself.
I know you are open to the thoughts that's why you are responding to me.
Additionally, most of the time what happens, all ppl don't know about other religion. so it's easy to say the person from other religion to say that it's in my religion like that. and hence a person who is making the statement should be studied deeply the respctive religion otherwise the meaning the person is telling could be destorted.
The statements were noghting against particular persons. They were for clarifications only.
YES, i do think all about your questions about life, death, our purpose, why like this, Why like that??? Why it has to happened and when can it stop...BUT the more i think about it the more it gets more complicated....and it is like questioning God and your faith in him...
So, the best thing we could do is just to continue life and do the best for ourselves,our family and our country...
So our entire purpose in life is to worship God? Man, so much for pride being a sin.
Volcano..
in Quran, which we believe is the words of God, it is stated what translates into:"I created the jinn and humankind only that they might worship Me" This has broad meanings though which ultimately accumlates to foolow God's instructions.
i didn't understand your last two statements.
I am not imposing my ideals here! I am giving my experience and you welcome to challenge them or exhange view or share yours.
CBD, I know how kuran was revealed to prophet Mohd. (PBUH).
But then what's the purpose of life written there?
Again the question is not on authenticity. As we are discovering various philosophies all thoughts are welcome.
To be precise, the thoughts from the people who genuinely read the scriptures and not telling their own opinions.
I don't think enough people live their life to the fullest, so I do believe it is a purpose.
Volcano..here goes my experience..
In short...i believe in God because i believe no one else can make all living matters, wide n complicated univirse in such a precise and amazing manner but God!
Now, Judaism, Christianity & Islam are very similar. Do you think this was a fluke! Prophet Muhammad does not know how to read or write and did not do significant travels, so how did he tell everything he has which is given to us as the Holy book and why is it so similar to Bible and Torah?? I would invite you here to some research on this matter and think for yourself. Hope you do this and i would be interested in your views. This goes to all by the way!
Aljoe, do you not look at the sky, for example, and wonder about life? this is what i mean.
Gypsy, living life is something we do and i don't think it is a purpose!
If there's an overall purpose, we don't know it, so the best we can do is enjoy everyday and leave the world a better place then we found it for our kids, if we care about their life.
Well, we are talking about overall purpose of human life. The big purpose. The ultimate purpose. As such we each individual have their own goals which can be classified as day-to-day goals.
The purpose of life is to live it.
I was born, I was raised, I went to school, finished college, got job, got married, got children . . . now I raised children, send them to school ... etc etc. as you can see life seems to have pattern. From birth, to growing up, till you got old and die.
I believe what matter most is how you survive with all the obtacles along the way. There are lot of obtacles and suffering I have encountered but these make me more stronger and continue with my purpose. My purpose in life is to provide food and shelter for my family.
I am not afraid to die. What makes me afraid is how would my children be raised without me.
CBD, please send your experience.
Volcano...
I am muslim and i can give you my experience for you to review..if interested..but before that..would you mind telling me what you believe in? are you muslim, Christian, Jew or otherwise?
salahadin,
IT IS TRUE GOD HAS A PLAN FOR ALL THINGS WE FACE, BUT STILL WE HAVE TO SAY ALWAYS " I ACCEPTED"
INDIRECTLY HUMAN BEING IS VERY WEAK, WITHIN SECONDS WE BECOME HEROS OF THE WORLD AND WITHIN SECONDS WE COME DOWN TO ZIRO LEVEL WE SUICIDE OUR SELF
SINCE WE ARE VERY WEAK LET US SEARCH SOMETHING MAKES UP HAPPY AND VERY STRONG:
IF YOU ASK ME HOW?
WE GET HAPPINES AND STRENGTH IF ONLY HABBIT TO DO THE FOLLOWING STEPS:
- FIRST WE HAVE TO BE HONEST WITH OUR SELVES AND OUR ENVIRONOMENT
- WE HAVE TO BE KIND TO WEAK PEOPLE
- WE HAVE TO HELP POOR PEOPLE
- WE HAVE TO PUT PLAN TO ESTABLISH ANY CHARITABLE ORGANIZATION
THANKS
SALHADIN
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CBD, thanks for your continuous replies.
You came now to the point - using knowing to define the unknown.
But my first post start with it... when all our senses (five plus one) could not give us clear picture of unknown.. then we need to bow and become humble.
We need to take help.... i will expand it a bit in this way... not only from religious scripture but from stories, mythology, which are spread across. The attempts made all over the world to know the indefinite unknown with definite knowing.
And that's the only way. It's like building a huge tower. First create the base then based on that base crate first floor, use the first floor as a base to create a second floor until we reach 100th floor. If we try to build 100th floor first at that location then we are trying to create impossible things. But still creating impossible things with possible things is possible provided we go step by step (here, rather floor by floor :-) )
The question is not on particular religion or somebody's faith. But exploring various known knwoledge and attempting it to define unknown.
In that sense more contribution is required from other team members on the attempts made all over the world thruout the time to define the unknown.
And if we can't get answers by seating in front of laptop or fathoming the net,,,,,, then journey starts in a particular person's life... to search the purpose of life.
So to start with, the purpose of the human life could be search the purpose of human life. (and when we say purpose we mean to say ultimate goal of human life and not day to day goal)
volcano..i may should have been clearer..sorry!
my post earlier is right to the point..
1- my belief is this: God created us, and we are created to do good and to worship God (both mean the same). God gave me religion whihc i came to know about. Religion is how God gave me his message and it is how i came to know that my purpose in life is to worship him.
(i am aware you may not have same belief)
2-through religion and my instinct which god gave me and through experience and day to day observation, i am concrete believer that God created us to worship.
in other words, I am convinced based on reasoning and facts that God created us. my conviction translated or extended into believing what God tells me that my purpose in life is to worship him and abide by his rules).
Now, many people ask, what is the purpose of life, why are we created to worship God?
Those are valid questions. However, you may not find answer but this should not let u turn blind on how created us and impossibility of things forming on thier own!
it is like using the knowing to define the unknown!
hope this makes sense!
CBD, we all are accepting the fact. the very fact that humans are born on the earth and there is perciptible part of the universe is not deniable. We are talking about the purpose. right? not about the existance of humans.
in you example dead goat is fact and happened. The question is not denying on what had happened but what's the purpose the goat died for. And to begin with what's the purpose of existance of goat / for what the goat was created? Is is to satisfy the hunger of somebody. but there's entirely different creation which doesn't come into the food chain of human beings. Then what's the purpose of creating them?
It's kinda philospohical.
And we need to take help from religions (many religions). It's only help. Based on that we need to come up with various own theories. If we stick to one philosophy then thinking is sure stopped.
e.g. If we have to believe various scriptures then earth is square. And if everybody would have blindly trusted it then the discovery of the earth as round (rather oval) shape wouldn't have discovered at all to modern science. If we have to believe earth is at center (but i beleive that earth is at centre and can be proved in some context)then we still sticking to old age geo-centric model.
We are not focusing on the creation or what's happening on the creation. We are discussing on the purpose of creation (to be precise here, purpose of human life). And unfortunately we are still at the same question.
Purpose of life is to get laid..
I was refering to laid to rest not the other laid.. lol
volcano..you never run out of good questions man! great!
relgion mentions that this is the God's will...God could have created people who do not refuse orders (and he has, angels!) But God is testing people on what they have been give.
You may be asking why i am supporting my argument while you are questioning it..let me say this:
your question on why God created humans to worship him is noted. However, does it really matter if you did not find an answer to this question if you come to believe that God exists and he wants us to worship him?
as a little example, when you see a dead goat with a with its body cut into so many pieces you would come to know, without question, that someone has done it to the goat (imagine this goat was in the desert for example)
Your inability to know who did it should not make you
deny it happened!
makes sense?
CBD, thanks for your compliments.
We need to reach to certain concret conclusion. If we have to assume the things then there's no meaning to questions. Accept as it is, saying that God told it and then there's a big full stop.
The question is why the purpose of human life to serve god?
What's the real purpose?
If god wants somebody to praise him only and that's the only purpose then just create advanced level of humans instantly and supply him with infintesome source of energy. (no need to give them stomach, hunger, lust, procreation powers).
So the question could be if the life is made with purpose or without purpose. Is it an accident or well thought plan?
volcano... allow me to tell you that you are abright person..
however, questioning what is next should not, in my opnion, cause to give up thinking it is an endless chain!
we need to do better than that!
there are creations which we don't know about and religious books state the same! it mentions that god creates what you don't know...and it mentions that god designed life for humans!!
i hope those thoughts ring a bell to you :)
This is still a deep topic on a Sunday, c'mon! hehe.
Ashwin, I agree that everybody has the own thoughts and grown up with that thoughts. What i mean to say is discussion shouldn't stop when the person reaches to the thoughts he/she is seeking which found in other posts.
I agree with you on the question that if purpose of other creations is for humans only. There are so many trees, plants, creatures which is of not to use for humans at all albit a question if humans know their existance is the first question. So i am also doubtful on the link if all those creation is to serve humans and humans are to serve god.
But still Q remains what after serving the god. What next?
Additionally, what about the creation on other planets? And why there would be destruction in the world then?
(Note creation it have both meaning things without life and things with life)
The question is still there what's the purpose of human life? (as i said earlier the Q itself is unfathomable)
FS..did not know u were a mathematicians :)
“Unless you assume a God, the question of life’s purpose is meaningless.” –Bertrand Russell (mathematician, philosopher and atheist)
Nobody can prove that there life after death, that people are tortured or rewarded after life or that there's invisible spirits running around.
I've come to two conclusions….
1. Life has no meaning
2. Life has a million meanings.
First, there's a certainty that death and annihilation awaits not only you,…but the Earth in general…and I believe in life after death…same cycle repeats for us to complete and experience things which we were not able to do in this life..
Second, the million things that give us meaning are the pleasurable experiences we can summon during the short period we are here on the earth, in the form of the relationships we have with our kids and other people, and the 'housekeeping' types of purposes. What I mean by that are the curing disease, ending hunger, improving literacy, reducing crime, preventing war, helping other kinds of things.
So the bottom line is, we only have a temporary meaning to life, to reduce pain and increase pleasure, other than that everything is lost to oblivion.
To be or not to be? "To be" is temporary and "not to be" is inevitable.....
and No one is indispensable in this world….
Volcano - 1stly - People on QL text what they believe in.
They have been living with this for ages and is what they think is correct.
And every debate in this world follows the same rule, the person stands by his words and defends it as much he thinks it should be.
It is about breaking the shell of the person, discussions generally don go as per the wish of a individual and thts wht is a discussion about... thought of many people...
While discussing the purpose of love... wht comes to my mind is world peace... wht came to mheljescamae mind is love for God.... Wht comes to Volcanos is understanding purpose of existence of not only human but all creations -
But I strongly feel the other way - when CBD says the purpose of existence of other creations are for human only .. We are here for serving the god is acceptable.. I liked it... but others are here only for us??? Tht makes me feel dis-respectful for them...
Even they have a purpose.... they would have had lived happily had we not been invented by god...
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Volcano..
good suggestion but maybe hard to implement though I agree to it..
well, what i observed in QL is the person who posts question already has specific answer in his / her mind. The disucssion usually stops when the original poster gets his/her answer from somebody else.
QL ppl don't discuss. They fetch the answers already in their mind from somebody else.
volcano..
unfortunately it is usual in QL to divert topics but good to have people like you who stay focused! Good!
I think everything in this life has a purpose for existence. Humans have been given the duty and message from God. God gave camels, chiken, goats, bananas, apples etc for us to eat, ride and other stuff. God created the humans and gave them resources to use in the journey!
err... i thought we are discussing something rationally.
And i beleive the original question was put not with the view of propagating particular thought.
well, obviously we have to take the help from various religion when we sought answers for such questions. But again beliving into it without giving much thought and forcing others to follow it - isn't it a cause of war? And we are discussing why there are wars!
Serving who has created us that could be the one of the goal. Say parents give birth to children with the purpose of taking care of the parents. Similarly, god / creator, has created the human to serve, worship him.
But then the question comes what is the purpose of other form of life? Why not create only humans who will worship and serve him.
Ashwindoke, here it is...
1-you should PRAY always, not necessarily that you have to be in the church just to pray, wherever you are, whatever you are doing, you can always talk to God and ask Him for his guidance in whatever you do. Talk to him like a very dear FRIEND.
Prayer is our way of communicating with Him.
(steps on how to pray... first worship Him, Thank him in everything, ask for His guidance, ask Him for your personal needs, and praise Him again).
2-you should read God's words, which is in the HOLY BIBLE. everything you want to learn about life is written there.
3-in order for you to have a better understanding/elaboration of what are written in the Bible, you should attend a church activity/gathering wherein the Gospel of God is being preached every week, where you can relate them to your personal life.
Here in Doha, there are a lot of Christian churches (am not referrring to Catholic church), where you can find a more meaningful praise and worship service for God.
There is an eternal life after this mortal life, thus we have to live our lives according to His will....
for us to get that eternal life.
Ecclesiastes 12:1 Remember your Creator when you are young, before the days of trouble come and the years catch up with you. They will make you say, "I have found no pleasure in them."
We are Born-again Christians, in a way that when we accept Jesus Christ as our Lord and Saviour and have a personal relationship with Him, we were born again in Spirit and in Truth. We believe in what HOLY BIBLE says. Nothing more or less.
mheljescamae - Nice really....
And how do we know what is his will????
I mean how do we put these thoughts into action????
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mheljescamae...
Great to hear this..I go for this as a purpose of my life..
Okay, according to the Book of Ecclesiastes in Holy Bible, God create man for purpose of serving Him, praising Him and worship Him. Thus, we have to fulfill that, that whatever we do, it should be for His glory, to do good for His glory and Honor.
Keep His commandments, as to "Love God with all your heart, with all your might and with all your soul. Love one another as you love yourself"
There is an eternal life after this mortal life, thus we have to live our lives according to His will.
Hello mheljescamae..Nice response!
if you did not mention you were a born-again Christian, i would have assumed you were a muslim!
I did not understand ECCLESIASTES 12:1 exactly.
However, ECCLESIASTES 12:13-14 is a good thing! This is my belief!
I believe in King Solomon and I am not surprised he wrote such a thing. King Solomon is someone in whom i must believe!
This also matches with my belief which is to attain satisfaction of God.
P.S. I don't know what born-again Christian means. Does it mean Christian?
Volcano - It is ok if you assume it to be "human life" whenever we talk about purpose of life....
Unless you would like to discuss about things beyond life n body... say Soul, cosmos etc.
because since the other forms are not cursed with rational thinking, are actually living the purpose of there lives... As there is no hindrance between them and the way Superior power wants them to live They Do what nature makes them do.... Lucky fellow mus say...
mheljescamae - pls answer to Volcano's question??? And translate the verse in present English PLs....
I ll be thankful for the gesture....
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volcano..human's ofcourse..your purpose sounds good and i hope u reach that level of not having to search..
dear all,
can we agree on the five categories mentioned by me in my earlier post? I guess, there should be no doubt as they are obvious. but if you have difference of opinion, we can always discuss.
Ashwin, as i mentioned there are four categories of life. We need to be clear that we are talking about human life. So please mention it as 'human life' in future so that we won't loose the thread.
Mhel, please clarify more. Your post only says that we have to pray to god. It doesn't talk about purpose of life.
Hi. CBD! Nice topic.
In my humble opinion, being a Born-Again Christian, having personal relationship with Jesus Christ as my Lord and Saviour, I would like to share you something from the Holy Scripture regarding your query.
Irregardless of my own belief, i had the same question that you had. Believe me, before we thought of that question, King Solomon already did, as he wrote the questions and found the answers which he wrote in the Book of Ecclesiastes.
If you have time to read Bible verses from THE BOOK OF ECCLESIASTES you will find the REAL ANSWERS to your QUESTIONS.
ECCLESIASTES 12:1 "Remember now thy Creator in the days of thy youth, while the evil days come not, nor the years draw nigh, when thou shalt say, i have no pleasure in them"...
and, ECCLESIASTES 12:13-14 "Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the WHOLE DUTY of MAN.
For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil."
Happy reading... :D
Volcano - If I may ask - If you are still in search of Purpose... how you know tht "Moksha" (this is in Sanskrit) or " liberation" is the purpose of life.... n why???
About liberation - my view - Even if given this option - I would not take this - I want to stay here n serve as many possible attain this eternal bliss . I would feel as if I am being selfish if I m bothered about only my liberation n not helping others.... and not making this world a better place to live... I don like it now... m not here to curse it n leave...
Its my home.. I ll along with others shall remove all the cob-webs... to clean it is a dirty work... but my house ll be clean again.... the way I like it..
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Ashwin,
When we say purpose of life we mean to say objective of life. (i.e. for what life has existed?)
Meaning of life when we say, I perceive it as actions performed to achieve those objectives. And when we perform right actions, the life gets right meaning.
Again we need to be specific. When we say purpose of life then it's category from 1 to 5. I hope we are discussin about purpose of human life. Right?
The purpose of my life is to search purpose of my life.
And the ultimate purpose of any life is to get freed from the cycle of life and death.
what is ur purpose of life volcano?
Volcanopetal.... thks... you made me realize how difficult I make for people to read my posts.... :)
Not fan of lengthy posts any more...
A fellow "Compmad" on one forum.. wrote hey Ashwin "Nice Article" I was like hell!!!!! Article...??? lol...
Ohk Volcano - as you say... purpose would finish after it is achieved.. (I still strongly believe life has no purpose.. but shall reach there logically now)... then say purpose of life can be a variable and shall depend and vary as per the situation....
niways CBD wants me to change my purpose if it clashes with anyone...
Ohk if we keep Purpose aside for a time being.. and talk about say.... Meaning of our life....
Meaning would always remain.. rt?
The actions n purpose to achieve tht might keep changing with time n very many diff factors....
So can we think about meaning of life???????
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well CBD,
The thoughts presented is from analytical & rational point of view. It doesn't necessarily tell about what i belive in.
Alchemist written by Paulo Coelho is also wonderful book. But again this book is not the only answer. It's one of the literary form of the thinking on which we are discussing.
I always think about the questions posted in before. The thoughts simmer in mind so much that I do get wake up at mid nights. Particularly when i substract everything what i know and thinks about the remainder. Then I substract remainder from the next set /surroundings until i reach to the area where i can't substract anything from anything. Because i don't know the next set to substract from.
Obviously, then we need to take help (not from our own thinking but from the thoughts from various areas). from the people / ancestors who already thought about it and. Tried to reach the conclusion. Most of those theories are then related to religions. And i don't know if we are open to discuss in that direction.
If we think about the life we have following categories:
1) Things(i.e. physical matter) without life (say stone, soil etc.)
2) Things with life (e.g. trees, shrubs, etc.)
3) Things with life and life (in terms of sense of ego)in low form (e.g. animals)
4) Things with life and life(in terms of sense of ego) in highest form (i.e. humans)
5) Life without things. (This needs to be imagined and could be considerd as Soul)
Will continue after hearing from you :-)
volcanopetal..thank you for joining us..you really contribute to the form in a nice way..
all these questions you raised are the beginning to reach a defined purpose of life..
Are you a believer in Darwin's theory?
are you still searching for purpose of life or story of life??
well, very nice and interesting topic.
the only one purpose of life is to give birth to life (as per darwin theory).
But then why there should be the chain of lifes is a question to be answered yet by the modern science. Human has evolved and will continue to evolve and make progress. But where's the ultimate end? Human acquired knowledge. Human know how to go to moon. May be in the future there will be dwellings on moon, mars etc. But still did human perceive the whole universe? Where we can say the human has achieved it's highest form / ultimate goal?
But again, even if we found the ultimate goal of human (say living on Mars or travelling by the speed of light) then after that WHAT? What will happen to human race? Will they devolve (de-evolve)? Will the human race become extinct?
The question itself is unfathomable. Forget about answers. Where all our senses (five + one)stop working, shows there limits/boundries, human says I know that "I don't know anything".
But still question fills the mind - Where's the answer?
Go to the mountain,shout loudly;
Go to the desert, run heavily;
Jump into the sea,and swim madly;
Oh creator, reveal to me;
Where is the beginning and where is the end?
When there was beginning what was before the beginning? When there will be the end what will be after end?
Where's the answer?
Well, if i have to write, i can write for a 100s of pages. Let me know your view and i will continue.
shit happens then you die.
WE do - Don have goals...
Drink Beer say Cheers...
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I'm afraid it's human nature that nothing's ever good enough for us which prevents us from living in peace...
Thats the point I am aking... when I decide what is purpose of my life... it is what I really want to see...
Not the slot tht is available.....
For example - I want to see India as Best football team in the world.... (Long way to go i know but.. still..)
For tht I m standing against a British who wants to see world cup at England, a Spaniard who wants to see the cup at Spain.. etc etc etc....
Should I not aim for world cup then???
My theory of not having a purpose says... play football ... Don bother about the results... It ll come if yo deserve to...... Enjoy game thts it.
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Ashwin..i said that only when your purpose clashes with another person's purpose..
i believe we can all live in peace n harmony unless purpose of life is evil
that's what i thought too beeseh, but maybe i was mistaken with my thought that's why i asked you how??
i know the feeling cause with my line of work i've seen many ppl dying too..and each time i have that experience it makes me depressed but i'm trying not to be affected... i gues this is the fact that makes me scare..
I go out for a lunch break.. and there is flood of Posts.... tht to relevant... CBD is happy for sure...
CBD - About changing the purpose of life..
Are you serious when you say tht???
Really - If you do not feel intensely about your goal... and if it is changeable as per the requirement of the society.... Does it really exist??
Or I was correct when I say life cannot have a purpose..
About death - I had read a post in one of the forum, very recently..
I don remember who but she had written -
I Quote
" The thought of death scares me, but living forever scares me more" I unquote.
tht explained many of the queries I had..
Death is Beautiful... She is waiting for you always. To give you eternal peace.. from these pseudo - Worries n issues we create and kill ourselves for.
She makes us realize - It is not worth the efforts ....
For me - Death is a elder sister, who shall help me out when I ve screwed up everything big time.
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oracle_angel, I've seen many ppl dying if this is what you wanted to know. It's never easy, always sad and hardly ever with dignity.
too soon for what lol
i think one of the problems (if i may call it that) is that we do think about life, which is good i believe, but it is only momentarily and we never make it systematic in such a way that we end somewhere with all thise thinking...Few people do this..but not all...
I do wonder a lot about life and death. I really wonder if I will have the time to do all the things I want to do in my life. I often, before sleeping, think "what if I die tomorrow?" And for a moment, I panic, thinking it's just too soon! Then again, too soon for what!?
Life is what we make of it, and I read this quote (from British writer Victoria Holt) that I truly believe in: "Never regret. If it's good, it's wonderful. If it's bad, it's experience."
I have no regrets, if I die tomorrow, I'm ok with it, because I've had fun, I have been quite happy, I'm not frustrated with my life because It is the one i've chosen! I don't know if there's something beyond death, but I don't really care anymore. That gives me no hope of amything, and if I thought there was, I would lay back and take my "time" to do things thinking, there's no deadline at the end of the day.
Make your own purpose of life happiness, in whatever you do, wherever you are, enjoy the life you're breathing, because it's short and no one can assure you that you will die and then your soul will live forever to pursue the happiness you couldn't find in this world.
A life is a day that doesn't last for long.
you said you have seen death many times - how??
I don't really think there is heaven and hell as there is nobody who's just good or just bad, there is always a thin line between good and bad. Who could judge justly which soul is entitled to go to heaven based on the amount of good and bad deeds? Yet death doesn't scare me, I've seen it many times, it's just another part of life like birth.
DEATH scares me.. sometimes i'll be wide awake at night thinking what is it like if you die.. is there life after death.. surely religions have different views when it comes to DEATH.. sometimes i also think if souls really linger around waiting for the right time.. is there really heaven and hell??
My freedom ends where yours starts. That's what ppl seem to forget about these days...
right..
if your purpose of life clashes with another's, perhaps you need to revise your policy!
What would happen???
Hypothetically asking....
If purpose of life of one clashes with that of another...
The true purpose should not cause such tussles rt???
This is exactly wht is happening in the world now....
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beeseh/Ashwin,
let us raise the standard of the forum please!
this deviation is causing a loss in precious thoughts by different points of view.
CBD, I told you we should have protected... See what happened???
Parents????
Curious .. you are a lucky man....
Few posts won you a partner and a son from no where...
And Beeseh.. you guyz are discussing those handbags in such a girlish way in tht post... tht I really don feel like writing anything there..... its so... pink... Can't bear tht...
I m really really scared.... wht all I ll have to bear after getting married.... God Save my !@#
CBD... I do not like Hijacking your forum... Beeseh provokes to do so...
Jus take her out for shopping and finish the matter once n for all.... (Text Only for Beeseh - you can thank me later for this... :) )
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beeseh, ashwin,
take it easy please and stick to track
Curious, you really take me out shopping? See how I'm shining? :D
Ash, the shopping is from a different topic. Yeah yeah, kids shouldn't interfere when the parents are discussing important issues... :P
Na . thks mate... thts one sport I don like much...
I shop only for necessities...
I have had a bad experience... had been shopping with a fren once... when I had to buy - I was damn so easy... I told him my size, which color I was looking for, budget, hull or half sleev.. thts it... and bought best wht he had........
She 1st counted me in not so smart.. to buy without surveying the market.....
hope things had ended here... then for her... she must have had taken me to every shop possible and gave her expert comments on every peice of cloth came under her eyes... and after ages n ages... bought jus on top... I was like W T F...
And tht was the last time I remember I went with a female for shopping....
This has been a hijuack again...
Hey Beeseh... grow up... ( returning the favor :) ) and stick to the topic.... ll you....
Purpose of life...?? its anything but shopping...
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I will take both of you..window shopping though lol
Be cool friends & take it easy :)
Diapers????? lol....
Men pls take care of her....
Had she not mentioned "Motherly instinct" things could have been diff but niways.... keep her away....
CBD take her shopping... :)
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Death - I guess the thought that 'God' is waiting at the other end with open arms to hold me after death is what I comfort myself with. After all the love I give HIM, I expect HIM to keep his promises with me.
Now you make me feel like changing your diaper... Any men in here?
Thank you..
Motherly instinct..... hmmm
I ll take it as a complement.....
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Have I told you I like men? Boys just wake my motherly instinct...
Bleeseh....
Didn I tell you the problem....
Damn.. m so sorry...
On my 16th Birthday... God said dude... thts it.. you wont be growing any more now... thts it... only body ll grow not brains...
I was like What the Heaven.. (lol.. god in picture thts why )
I said Don do this to me God pls...... at least lets bargain it for 18 yrs.. you know.. its matured enough to be called a man...
He said.. sorry boss.. not for you... Ask something else...
I was like ok...Make me handsome... he said not possible... You don deserve to be... you ll bother many chicks around... I know you very well..
Then I said.. I don want anything else... (was bargaining so.. ).. but God took is seriously... and I was like what??????? I loose to be a matured person for rest of my life for nothing????
And here I am....
But he was kind enough to make me realize.... how important it is to be Kid for rest of your life....
Small happiness mean a world to you...
You cry for a toy.. so hard.. as if you whole life depends on it... and the very next moment... you throw it away for another....
The excitement to see n learn new things....
Your ego never comes in moddle of your decisions... no matter wht..
Element of surprise.....
Even if a issue is very serious n big... you dono know tht and take it lightly.. n still solve it..
Damn I love to be a kid..... :) Thank you for the Gift god... :) Now I realize...
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Ashwindoke, why do I have the feeling you're a boy? Curious at least thinks about life and what matters. And yes, I do some sport and it makes me feel free and happy but I don't spend 24/7 in the saddle so from time to time I have to worry about how to manage to be able to afford that sport for example... Boy vs. man...
Lols... tht Would have been russian Bible if Vodka was mentioned in specific...lols
Ya ohk..... We shall discuss the 2nd most important here... not Beer n her sisters... :)... let us discuss life..... lols
Back to the purpose.... I would like to share with you the out of body stuff which has also been mentioned in Holy scriptures.... at least in Hinduism it is....
But before tht..... and for it.. I ll share with you my definition of Happiness.... (Yet Again)
We feel really happy.. when we do not remember consciously tht we exist....
I mean.. see when was the last time you where really happy....
See Music... you are so much into it.. tht you forget yourself.... the song becomes you and you enjoy the every word n note of it...
Dance... This is when Your body refuses to listen to any command from Mind..
All the Social etiquettes and manners, worries of future, everything is forgotten and jus the rhythm is enjoyed....
If you are into reading books.. or sports...
You forget you are... and there is only one thought about tht particular story or content of book or the team you support..... tht event becomes you and you feel you had best time of your life....
When tht is actually happening... even the thought that you are happy is not bothering you...... Does it??
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Mine is to drink, shag and have a brilliant life now while i can enjoy it, cos tomorrow i could be dead.
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I think you have me confused with someone who gives a sh1t.
I am serious..thanks for assuring that beeseh
Ashwindoke, that sounds like of a Russian bible...
I think Curious' question was serious and you guys are drifting away from the topic...
stay focused guys..this is about life not alcohol lol
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it is your life Paul and it is nice to be convinced in your belief :)
That's what the purpose of life is.
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I think you have me confused with someone who gives a sh1t.
Beeseh....
It might be difficult right now to figure out the science behind death.... but it was happen and it shall happen...
No one could believe a piece of metal could fly like bird.... or a Pin sinks but a giant ship doesn't....
the air wee breath carries so much data... the radio, TV, internet, phone calls..... etc etc....
Impossible is nothing...
n about the true purpose of life???
I really doubt... whether their is a purpose for life at all???
I mean we are living bcoz we a re born....
And the desires are so highly dependent upon the incedences near n around us... a little variation in those can change us upside down.....
Yes... we can add valve n meaning to our life....
I still don understand why this living for others makes one feel so good about self???????/
Does anyone know???
Hard Work Doesn't Kill Anyone... But Why take Chances.
Curious, why should I think too much about something I can't avoid? Most probably we'll never figure out what death really is as our resources for scientific research are limited to the physical aspect. There are still too many things we have no idea about. What God has given he will take it and we shouldn't question why even though I sometimes feel like fighting it...
CBD.... Ya true it is required to think about future and learn from the past....
But when I say we don't live in present means we always worry about future and do not cherish this very moment....
Try not to analyze this and live this... I mean for a Minute jus try to not to think about future n past... Its Diff.. your mind has n number of thoughts per second... but try it... you ll see wht I meant...
Now keeping the philosophical side in the background and trying to seek the scientific aspect of it....
I know you do believe in God.. so shall take liberty to start with fact thta God Exists...
n Beeseh... I too believe it is all energy... we too... The post you posted above is awesome... Finally I see someone who believes in what I do....
Ohk... If God is the Sum total of all the intelligent energy... as I had mentioned in a previous post when we where discussing a similar topic...
ans as we too are energy.. a infinitesimal part of the whole cosmos.... And we trust our Intellect so much that we think with help of this we can solve our issues in this n this way.... i mean planning for future...
Imagine a power so much superior than you are..... How beautiful planning she must have done for you... And if you do not interfere... how much good shall be on your way....
Believing that you are capable enough to solve every issue on your own,,, I think is sign of Egoistic nature...
Before criticizing or anlyzing these lines with a logical muscle... jus give it few seconds to sink.....
The issue now a days is.. we don listen .... When the other person is saying or writing.... we do not LISTEN.. we think how this shall be replied by me... and often miss the whole point of the orator.... :)
Hard Work Doesn't Kill Anyone... But Why take Chances.
Ashwin..
I think we live the present whether we like it on not..we are always in that state...aditionally i don't see a problem in constantly thinking of future as it may become a driving force to well planning..diving into past for long times maybe harmful especially if it has bad memories..
Happy Happy...this is the idea is that we came to life not realising maybe what it is all about..and this is what makes questioning happen..
Miss X..your interesting thoughts reveal how questioning you are which is really good indicator..but my question..how far did you get with those thoughts..where did they lead you or what impression/philosophy have they given you in this life? Are you keen to find out what life is all about?
night rider..do you not get questions popping in your mind from time to time about life and death?
beseeh, that is the thing, death is coming..does this not make you think about it seriously..
Absolutely..we must appreciate life God given to us and use it wisely..not necessarily inventing something lol but at least helping, behaving well and so on.
Curious, it's true that Christians talk about judgment day and afterlife. What you believe is your choice. From the scientific aspect we are energy and energy never gets lost, it's just transformed.
I've lost so many ppl close to me that I stopped being afraid of death. Eventually it will come no matter what we do. What matters is living our lives so that we leave something behind. It can be our children, a book we wrote, a piece of music, a new invention, something in what we live on. What scares me is having lived a useless life, not having given anything to the world. God gave me life to use it to the fullest. It would be disrespectful toward God to waste his present, wouldn't it?
LIFE IS NOT VERY DIFFICULT ,JUST HELP THE BLIND OLD MAN WHO IS TRYING TO CROSS THE ROAD AND THEN WHAT U FEEL IN YOUR HEART ,THAT IS LIFE PURPOSE
DISTANCES CN BE COVERED WITH LOVE
I think we all have to figure out for ourselves a relevant personalised reason for living. Even if we believe in heaven and the after life, the questions we have can just be repeated. If we live to get to an afterlife, then what is the purpose of the afterlife? Why would we want to live in an endless idealic place and have to continue existing forever? While death scares me, I think the thought of no death scares me more.
Don't have a clue what I was brought to life for, but to keep struggling from the first scream all the way until eternal silence.
After life is there too.
Salam
I shall share my views... not necessary to connect with Religion I believe in... but it still can be -
1. Living in Present.
All our life we waste in either guilt for past (which is judging our acts be a more evolved n experienced intellect ) or planning for future... We never Live... the very moment... life is this....
2. If we are soul n body... Soul was present before we took birth... got body and hence shall survive even after death.
3. Heaven n Hell is all wht life we leave... there is nothing waiting for us after death....
Everyone has his own fantasies about Heaven and fear for Hell.....
If you are content in life you live.. it is heaven..
If you are not happy.... n Sick n Sad. it is Hell....
Hard Work Doesn't Kill Anyone... But Why take Chances.
rated_PG..
I think it is normal to fear death..it will be a motive to do good in life..
I thought christians believe in judgement day..so there is an afterlife...
for me, I believe in judgement day
i always thought of death specially after praying before going to sleep . When i thought of death it always gives me a chill in my spine! everytime! Honestly speaking im afraid of death, maybe because right now i'm not ready to passed away =)
also, i'm afraid of losing my loveones. My grandpa who's very close to my heart passed away in 2004 that's when i realized how painful to be left alone with a person who's a part of your life.
and also thought of is there life after death? after this life can we live again (reincarnation)
i'm a christian and my faith has been my guidance throughout, even if i fear death now i always seek guidance and enlightment to our creator to accept my fears.
btw, i envy those who's not afraid of death. in my personal opinion they are very tough to face it. hope in time i can do too.
"a step towards the right path is two steps away from evil"
Death is rest for me....
But I want to become an immortal even only on the minds of all the people I have shared my life with...
As for now, my life is not mine alone but for my family who depend on me...
"Jack Frost VS Jack Cool"
yawn!!!!.. sleepy head already..nyt nyt..
" Successful people are not Gifted, they just worked hard and Succeed on Purpose...."
well..good short night then and will stay vigilant for comments :)
I STill wanted to be awake tONIGHT coz it seems like QL had some interesting forum..hhehehehee.. But, I need to sleep a few min. from now coz i have some task tomorrow early in the morning... BUT one thing FOR SURE,I'll be checkin out how many comments has been added to this forum TOMORROW...i MEAN LATER THIS MORNING.... exciting.!!!
" Successful people are not Gifted, they just worked hard and Succeed on Purpose...."
it is still early :D
tallg...
i respect that..this is just one example out of so many..
when i go to crowded places..my mind gets oriented towards people I see, and thier destiny, and thier nationalities, thier life, thier future..
Those issues capture my thoughts and i get to think and observe small issues but they mean a lot to me and indicate alot about life too..
Goodnyt guys....but I'm still wide awake.. to those who going to sleep right at this moment.. May you have a good and peaceful sleep.... God bless. Pray before you sleep guys.. Take care.. see yha again here in THE Forum... NYT NYT
" Successful people are not Gifted, they just worked hard and Succeed on Purpose...."
Right, I've got to knuckle down. Sorry for butting in. Laters.
cbd - I can see why people may ponder the first 3 of your questions, though personally I don't. But your stuff about crowded places doesn't ring true with me at all. London (to use you example) is a crowded place. Different people of different nationalities all going about there business, probably doing not much different from you or I. Can't say I've ever given much thought to what they're up to.
zhyiellha my simple but deep thinker; no bubbling, all cool, you misunderstood my warning, and I couldn't make head nor tail of what you were trying to say. Let's just put it down to the wine and start afresh tomorrow. I've got work to do. Peace, love and kisses.
example..
why do we all have to die? what is death? where were we before birth?
when you travel from country to another country and see different set of people..especially crowded places, London underground say, when you observe different nationalities runnng around..people you have never seen before and not know what they do..where they go..
stuff like this make me wonder all the time..
It was just a question.. YOur bubbling already.. Cool up my dear friend.. Peace...No bad words pls...
" Successful people are not Gifted, they just worked hard and Succeed on Purpose...."
Well, I didnt say anything.. just asking.. anyways, thanks for that assurance.. maybe he is...Tallg, you are being save.... Peace....
" Successful people are not Gifted, they just worked hard and Succeed on Purpose...."
cbd - I was asking you for an example of a question that might pop into my mind!
zhyiellha - wtf you on about? cbd got it, obviously you didn't.
zhyiellha..
tallg is peaceful and courteous..I assue you..don't worry..
Tallg, maybe you are some kind of superficial being?? wow.. Warning.. thats scary!!!! Does anybody here makes warnings to Qlers... I think to those who only posted bad Forum and comments( can be deleted by MOD).. am I right tallg? No offense... just stating my thought on your comment..
" Successful people are not Gifted, they just worked hard and Succeed on Purpose...."
lol tallg...
Yes please give an example...I note your warning
one thing i learned in life is that everything i do has to matter and count.religion is not a factor;your faith and belief is.
question are always asked;it up to you if your answers matter and count.
example?
ps. I warn you now, I've had a bottle and a half of wine over dinner!
tallg..
do you not get stopped by questions popping in your mind when you are in isolation? how do you handle such questions?
You're born, you develop (hopefully a bit further than the last generation), you reproduce, you die.
Any thing else is superfluous.
u r welcome..
life must be celebrated and respected too..there is no enough time to try everything so we must be vigilant and truth seekers and selective and and..
it is hard but this is what makes it fun...
Really,, i like this Forum.. it refreshes our souls.. I got alot of nice answers here...SO good to those who answers thru their heart.. with faith, love and honesty.... thanks Curiousbutdetermined.. you make a good sense of thing....
Life must be celebrated....We only lives ONCE...God loves us all.....
" Successful people are not Gifted, they just worked hard and Succeed on Purpose...."
Exactly, we should be optimistic..god loves us all!
Vivian..
we think about life..but what does this thinking lead us to?
does this thinking trnaslate into our actions? should it?
is our thinking indicative of our pursuit of truth and purpose of life?
Death is a time for all of us.. No one can escape it. We must always be ready when it will knock on our doors and take you in a blink of an eye... We should be happy to have a chance to live in this world and live our lives to the fullest as if its our last day, coz we never know whats beyond it and what life will take us there... somewhere on the place we all dont know... always thinks Optimism.. God loves us all.....
" Successful people are not Gifted, they just worked hard and Succeed on Purpose...."
I agree to some extent..
we should not fear death if we behaved well..
but as humans..we cannot help from being afraid of leaving this life and possible pain (car accident or so god forbids)
every body think about life. for what we've had now is a gift from above and that's what we call life. For today we must thanks of what we had and for tomorrow and for future we don't know and that will be to ask from above.
We should not fear death coz its the Only way we can find Peace there!!!! Embrace life as we leave the world with Love, Peace and SERenity where people can remember us with our good deeds and our contributions as we are still alive on Earth....
" Successful people are not Gifted, they just worked hard and Succeed on Purpose...."
jcbd..
Thanks for sharing this though i would prefer to hear your own words..
http://www.watchtower.org/e/20080201/article_03.htm
I think God has a plan with all of us but it's very hard to figure out what this plan is. Sometimes I feel the purpose of life is finding the right partner and having a family. And sometimes I just question it all. When I think of all the disappointments, losses, falls... Maybe God wants to make us stronger by putting obstacles in our way or maybe he just wants to toss us in the right direction by these obstacles. I don't know what future brings so just carpe diem, but don't do anything that you might regret later on as maybe there is no more later on to say sorry.
Like what I've in the last part of my Answer
((( To live consciously and courageously, to resonate with love and compassion, to awaken the great spirits within others, and to leave this world in peace))
---- These are somewhat the answers I have. To live Consciously and courageously, meaning, let us be vigilant to other people and to Our Environment. If someone needs a hand, then we need to lend a help. If there's something we need to contribute to make our Environment to make it a better place to live in then we need to do our part..
----To resonate with love and compassion--- meaning, we have to be sensitive enough on the needs of others not only to our family, friends or colleagues but indeed it should be to all people who are in need our care and support in times of troubles and tragedy. Somehow, their are cases like some people had problems which needs our prayers , then we should take part of praying for them too...
----To awaken the great spirits within others-- meaning, if we can touch the lives of those people who have forgotten their faith, then we should do our part in a way that people may see it and follow it. To touch those lives of other who have separated their lives because of greed, cruelty, anger,vengeance etc, we can share our part to let them realized that life doesnt end there. as what they've said, There's a Rainbow after the rain and there's a light over that Dark Tunnel...
---To leave this world in peace-- Meaning, Be a model in our world were Peace and Love exist. Where you can share your good thoughts, knowledge and Ideas not only to the young but to all people. Be an advocate of Love ,joy, Serenity and God's Blessings through good works and Caress for each and everyone. Life is a matter of choice to which path we will follow... Its a task that only ourselves knows how to handle it until we know whats the our purpose really is..
---Discovering your purpose is the easy part. The hard part is keeping it with you on a daily basis and working on yourself to the point where you become that purpose.-- Meaning, only ourselves can prove what our purpose in life is, unless we became a purpose!!!!
" Successful people are not Gifted, they just worked hard and Succeed on Purpose...."
it scares all of us..pain...leaving loved ones..not knowing what is next being a believer in resurrection..sometime death's pass by my imagination without stopping but sometimes..it gets my skin to creep
zhyiellha...
interesting process..i have always been someone who looks for practical tools that give results like your process above..I may not agree with it..but i like the concept though!
Obviously, you have used this process, what was the outcome? your purpose of life I mean?
I am not sure how write my purpose in life in a brief sentence without jeopardising it..but it is simply about satisfying God and contribute positively for all natural resources and all living matters in this life until I depart it..
Well, our purpose in life is all depend on how we live our Lives here in this Naked place called Earth...
If you want to discover your true purpose in life, you must first empty your mind of all the false purposes you’ve been taught (including the idea that you may have no purpose at all).
So how to discover your purpose in life? While there are many ways to do this, some of them fairly involved, here is one of the simplest that anyone can do. The more open you are to this process, and the more you expect it to work, the faster it will work for you. But not being open to it or having doubts about it or thinking it’s an entirely idiotic and meaningless waste of time won’t prevent it from working as long as you stick with it — again, it will just take longer to converge.
Here’s what to do:
1. Take out a blank sheet of paper or open up a word processor where you can type (I prefer the latter because it’s faster).
2. Write at the top, “What is my true purpose in life?”
3. Write an answer (any answer) that pops into your head. It doesn’t have to be a complete sentence. A short phrase is fine.
4. Repeat step 3 until you write the answer that makes you cry. This is your purpose.
and also- To live consciously and courageously, to resonate with love and compassion, to awaken the great spirits within others, and to leave this world in peace.
Discovering your purpose is the easy part. The hard part is keeping it with you on a daily basis and working on yourself to the point where you become that purpose.
If you’re inclined to ask why this little process works, just put that question aside until after you’ve successfully completed it. Once you’ve done that, you’ll probably have your own answer to why it works. Most likely if you ask 10 different people why this works (people who’ve successfully completed it), you’ll get 10 different answers, all filtered through their individual belief systems, and each will contain its own reflection of truth....
" Successful people are not Gifted, they just worked hard and Succeed on Purpose...."
the cure of all sickness is
"don`t kill yourself with your past whatever it was try to forget& forgive even for yourself"Me said to myself.
miss saigon...
I think questioning life is something we all do from time to time...I think it is inevitable
embrace life has to offer without questions,
lol..
I would be interested in your opinion and views once you have the time and mood..until then, have a wonderful Thursday evening!
A good range of questions, but too deep for a Thursday night! I try not to think too much after 3pm. Lol..... I'm sure someone will give you their opinion.