Qatar removes the only two women from Cabinet

Without knowing anything about the subject.

Let me explain

My guess is people can imagine what my explanation would be.

Think - layers, status, stability, autocracy,

Good luck interpreting.

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of seeing it improve. It is another thing to come in and trash everything because of personal rejection.

Besides, you know that you can keep stirring it if you choose. It reflects more on you than the schools :-)

A life unexamined is not worth living -- Socrates

"Education is terrible and the 4 or 5 good schools are all closed for those without connections.

I don't care who they put in the cabinet but they should completely replace these 2 systems.

They should open at least 20 schools and import ALL the teachers from outsdie with very high credentials (US has very stringent credntialing processes) and pay them HIGH salaries and subsidize the tuition so as to make them affordable or force these cheap local companies to put students in schools according to nationality and pay 100% of tuition."

You should not stir up so much s*it,engr2002. I already did it in my thread about Texas A/M and was told to stop.

So you're southern now??

Woohoo, he's back.

all y'all Indians up in here.........dont hate

People who use "urban slang" are rarely referred to as literate :-) But then UKEng told me I seem like an old teacher -- lol

I guess he hasn't heard my Tony Soprano impersonation :-)

A life unexamined is not worth living -- Socrates

Issues all round it would seem. This isn't the first time he's launched an unprovoked attack in my direction, and my previous polite inquiry via PM asking what it was I'd done to upset him has gone unanswered.

But hey, give him credit. His urban slang is a welcome break from the large number of his comments which consist solely of "hmm", or "hmmm". I haven't yet deciphered the difference in meaning between the two.

isn't uz a completely appropriate in Irish-American/Long Island/Jersey slang? if U LIKE 2 RITE LIKE DIS

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=yous

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/youse

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/yous

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=yous+guys

I don't think "niceguy" is very literate. After all, someone who writes "uz" for "you are" has some issues with the language. lol

A life unexamined is not worth living -- Socrates

Ah, hate-monger, that makes more sense than hat-monger. Thanks for clarifying.

Moving on - it appears you misread 'impression' as 'permission'. Go back and try again.

I'll assume the constant misspelling of my name is deliberate.

Can they cook good pasta?

uz?

tallage

hate-monger. uz a hatemonger. what permission r u talking about 7abibi.

niceguy - what's a "hat-monger"?

Anyway, not sure what gave you the impression I don't like the way things are in Doha. I love it here.

The new Minister of Health was running Asiad and he is CEO of AL-Meera Supermarkets. How does that qualify this lovely young dude to run a miserable and terrible healthcare system????????????

The Education minister was but a clerical employee in Emiri Diwan and he has the right Last Name "Al Mahmoud" to replace his cousin Sheikha Al-Mahmoud who was fired. How does he qualify to run Education?????

HMC is a place to get sicker or die from stupid mistakes by totally inept and unqualified doctors and nurses.

Education is way behind much poorer countries

Something is rotten in these 2 systems. Let me also mention Ashghal here. They deserve honorable mention in the "Something is rotten in ..." category

Qatar has the most pathetic Health & Education systems in the non-western world. Qataris routinely go to Saudi and UAE for healthcare. Education is terrible and the 4 or 5 good schools are all closed for those without connections.

I don't care who they put in the cabinet but they should completely replace these 2 systems.

They should open at least 20 schools and import ALL the teachers from outsdie with very high credentials (US has very stringent credntialing processes) and pay them HIGH salaries and subsidize the tuition so as to make them affordable or force these cheap local companies to put students in schools according to nationality and pay 100% of tuition.

As for Healthcare, close Hamad and ask Saudi Arabia and/or Western nations to open branches of their great hospitals here with all staff imported and they need to prove experience and education. I realize not all of Saudi hospitals are great but they have some outstanding ones such as King Faisal Specialist Hospital and Research Centre & King Khalid University Hospital.

BTW does anybody know who in hell runs HMC? What a miserable institution... They make more mistakes than anybody on earth...

but I didn't write that :-)

A life unexamined is not worth living -- Socrates

There are some rumors floating around.

Rumor: the two men put in their places have a difficult mission to eliminate some fat from these two places, the government didn't want the two women to appear bad, and these guys agreed to do the tough job.

Disclaimer: This is just a rumor I have heard, I didn't write this here. Maybe Qatari just added this to my post.

:P

CBD... about tht Clothing n freedom thing...

aah.. it is one of the factors in freedom and being the most prominent visible proof about the freedom of choice.... :)

I am answering very late though.....

feel as if m hijacking the forum... :)

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Tallag you're not nothing but a hat-monger. If you don't like how things are in Doha....go back to India or where ever the heck u r from.

its normal, changing seats has to take place, its good for the state.

It's an under-used word.

I learnt it in my public school.

Good excuse to use the word tangential though :)

Yeah, you're right. Probably too tangential.

Case closed.

Agreed. But I still don't think it's relevant to this thread.

Tallg, members of the royal family can go and do what they want. That's the perk of being a royal.

It's just a difference of perspective, I guess. The UK royals, for instance, see their privledge as an opportunity to dedicate their life to public service. Other royal families do not.

But if you are going to go off and have fun with your peoples' money (as you are entitled to do) don't expect them to sit their quietly suffering rotten public services while you're having a good time.

Yes, you're right CBD. There are plenty of politicians in the US who are 'bad'. I never said that the US, or any other country, is perfect.

Regarding the quality of healthcare and education in this country, the statistics speak for themselves.

http://www.who.int/whosis/whostat/EN_WHS08_Full.pdf

http://www.uis.unesco.org/TEMPLATE/pdf/ged/2006/GED2006.pdf

Yes fubar, you're right. No member of the royal family should be allowed to spend money or go off doing things until this country is up to your standards.

fubar..

How did US save the lives of people affected by Katrina when it has all the expertise of the world?? not to mention frustration of healthcare policy and insurance which some americans cannot even afford..

but perhaps before criticising other ruling families, you need start at home, charity begins at home. I assure you, you will find a wealth of topics showing bad US politicians who have been running the US for a very long time. A government which continues to be guilty ever since its inception.

you are really pathetic!

For the interest of this thread, i won't entertain your bigoted thoughts unless you open another thread.

CBD, frankly if Qatar gives $100m to the US while letting its own citizens suffer crap healthcare and appalling schools, that makes things worse, not better.

Tallg, perhaps you're being sarcastic?

Post #1 - the healthcare system in this country is a disgrace, since it cannot attract nor retain quality professionals, despite the deep pockets.

Post #2 - The Emir's son, rather than being encouraged to think of philanthropic ways to benefit Qatar or the wider world (such as Reach out to Asia, establishing the Cultural Village, becoming an active member of the Diwan etc like his siblings) he decides instead to race fast cars. How very mature.

fubar - what's that got to do with anything????

fubar..

and when the royal family pays $100M in support for people affected by hurricane Katrina you keep you mouth shut!

Not to to mention that US government was highly criticised for thier response to Katrina...

Well, I guess we know where the royal family's priorities are focussed:

A Qatari spending $10M a year on drag racing

http://www.qatarliving.com/node/486193

low salaries they pay for health professionals. I know a number of well qualified Arab doctors who have migrated out of the region to go where they will be paid in a manner reflecting their level of education, experience and professionalism. Several have told me that they would be settling for 1/3 to 1/2 of what they can make in the US INCLUDING the fact that they have to pay taxes in the US. They get treated better as professionals in the US; find themselves working in tandem with research facilities; have a much higher level of professionalism among their nursing and support staff (who are also paid much better); and face less discrimination than they would here as non-Qataris.

Sorry to say it, but until the powers that be in Qatar start to treat health care workers as the valued professionals they are -- REGARDLESS OF NATIONALITY -- I don't expect things to get better. These people are critical in terms of the support they provide the country and they will follow the best opportunities.

A life unexamined is not worth living -- Socrates

the health services in this country,with the 2nd highest GDP on the planet,are PATHETIC...& that's putting it mildly...don't know if changing Dr.Sha.Ghalia was the solution,since the situation was rubbish before she was made health minister & hasn't really improved...having said that,HMC claims to have JCI accreditation,which is like the gold standard for health care institutes...nothing that a blank cheque can't take care of is my opinion of that...i personally know for a fact that one of the oral surgery OT's were closed no more than a week after this accreditation due to the presence of a fungus...found IN THE OT...so much for JCI standards...as for horror stories,volumes can be filled on that...& the education situation isn't much better...a bad system is only half the problem...the other half is the lack of a basic desire to educate oneself...& that comes from upbringing & culture...no use blaming the education system for it...

I don't know a single Qatari who would set foot in HMC. Most of them have dozens of horror stories from relatives going there and being given the wrong treatment, or no treatment at all.

A Qatari friend once told me that I would be 'mad' if I got surgery done in Qatar. I asked him 'why, is this a poor country with no money?'. At that point it dawned on him that when it comes to the provision of essential public services like health and education, this country really, really, really needs to try harder.

Things are changing, yes, but not fast enough. Other poorer countries would close down medical facilities if they had standards as low as the HMC clinics in Qatar.

It's about time heads began to roll for this shameful abuse of public trust and public money.

I know this is a very controversial thing to say but I wish the British Government would get rid of the women. Not because I am sexist, because they are not up to their jobs and give women a bad name.

I hope that these women were removed becuase they were not doing their jobs in the same way men would and not for political reasons.

Ashwin..it is worth noting how people relate freedom with free clothing..

According to the law... women are very free here... I can wear what they like and Drive vehicle if they want to....

Of course the Qatari women still prefer the tradition wears over others... but they can do wht they want to..

King is quit liberal in a way here...

I ll agree with FUBAr.. performance might be a criteria

Hard Work Doesn't Kill Anyone... But Why take Chances.

i don't think it is the case..and if it is then it is not an execuse..

I guess the excuse for their removal must be that they are been removed to deter the growing western influence on the Qatari Society?

I agree with fubar..

I don't know much about health issues...as a qatari I am quite happy for free medical care and services although I am not confident in technical skills...whenever we have serious and critical cases, we look at external hospitals first...hopefully things will improve..also there are so many ptivate hospitals who charge too much so there is lack of proper measures i would think...

About education...I know that many Qatari people are not happy about the introduction of independent schooling systems which they are complaining about in newspapers, tv and radio programs..it has to some extent become a commercial activity

Could it simply be that both health and education in this country are absolutely shameful, given the resources at the country's disposal.

The ministers probably deserved to be sacked.

I thought it was only the Taliban who are extreme to women right. I am sure it's something else. Can ask Mrs. Clinton was she is there.

them showing they can do their jobs and will be held responsible in the same manner that men are. It doesn't do anybody any good to accept sub-standard performances in such critical positions simply for the sake of being able to say women are represented in high positions.

I am not saying that is the case here; but I suspect that cabinet positions are not viewed lightly. We must hope and trust that the right decisions are made and when they are not good decisions then that will be reflected in time.

A life unexamined is not worth living -- Socrates

Only Berlusconi takes Berlusconi seriously

Women in parliament n similar initiatives are vital in the Gulf countries... where Females do not feel at par with Men.... for whtevr reasons.....

Hard Work Doesn't Kill Anyone... But Why take Chances.

Does anyone take Berlusconi seriously?

Actually I was reminded of the story in the Times this week regarding the Italian PM..

Silvio Berlusconi has an eye for pretty girls and has chosen a striking roster of candidates to give his party a new face for the European Parliament elections in June, including a Big Brother star and a Miss Italy contestant.

None has any known political experience although Angela Sozio, 36, a flame-haired former contestant of Grande Fratello, the Italian version of Big Brother, made the headlines two years ago when the paparazzi photographed her and other showgirls strolling hand-in-hand with Mr Berlusconi, 72, at Villa Certosa, his villa in Sardinia.

So who is right and who is wrong ??

i dont know why she was removed. she was a UN Rapporteur for Special Needs. Earlied worked with HMC.

Dont know much about the Education minister

Both brit. It was a big step when women made it onto the cabinet and rightfully attracted a lot of attention, even though they most likely gained their positions based on their ability to do the job.

So conversely, it's bound to attract attention if the only two women are removed, even if it was still a decision on their ability.

their performance like anybody else. I do not know about the Health Minister but there has been quite a bit of concern over the education situation in the country and that job has changed 3 times in the last 8 years to my knowledge. If one wants to assess the Minister's effectiveness based upon the current educational climate and performance I can see why she would be removed from the job.

A life unexamined is not worth living -- Socrates

Are we concerned with qualifications to o the job or gender ?

the hokey cokey!!

surprised at that move.

Were they replaced by men? The article doesn't say.