See this link regarding Yahya Hurun, or his real name, Adnan Oktar. He is currently serving 3 years in a Turkish prison, or soon will be as he has been sentanced.
"unpleasant character...jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully". All this is very spiritual. If you'd said, he was a brutal murderer who kills everyone who disagrees, I would consider him a "real" biest, much like Aton.
I would hardly call the god of the old testament spiritual, I am sure you are familiar with this description:
“The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully"
"Deaths in the Bible. God - 2,270,365
not including the victims of Noah's flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, or the
many plagues, famines, fiery serpents, etc because no specific numbers
Akhenaten appears in history almost two-centuries prior to the first archaeological and written evidence for Judaism and Israelite culture, therefore a connection between Akhenaten and the single God of the Jews should be doubted, adey. There is also a huge difference in the understanding of that single God. The "Sun God" of Akhenaten differs significantly from the more "spiritual" Jewish God.
The development of monotheism can be traced to the Egyptian pharaoh Akhenaton whose efforts to suppress polytheism and replace it with monotheism (the Sun god) met with far less success than occurred later in Rome.
There are even theories that Akhenaton IS Moses, leader of the monotheistic cult of Hebrews who left Egypt to live in Israel. He received the Ten Commandments around 1313BC, just twenty years after the death of Akhenaten and the reinstatement of the old Egyptian gods by young Tutankhamen.
The existence of Moses is in historical doubt and there was no evidence in Egyptian records of the Exodus, the sojourn in the desert or any 'descent from Mt. Sinai with the Ten Commandments' making dating the event impossible.
That said, I feel sure the Biblical account has some roots in actual events and as the existence of the Israelites as a separate people before they emerged from Egypt has not been established I'd suggest they might have been members of a monotheistic 'sun-worshipping' Egyptian sect which left Egypt for 'religious freedom' after Akhenaten's death and polytheism was reintroduced.
Lots of rituals, myths and stories are transferable between Judaism, Christianity and Islam - and many have their roots steeped in the far older Egyptian stories, not forgetting the myths of Greece, Rome and Persia.
"Deaths in the Bible. God - 2,270,365
not including the victims of Noah's flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, or the
many plagues, famines, fiery serpents, etc because no specific numbers
"As people who believe in God and follow His revelations, let us rally to a common formula - "faith". Let's love God, Who is our Creator and Lord, and follow His commands. And let us pray God to lead us to an even straighter path. When Muslims, Christians and Jews rally to a common formula this way; when they understand that they are friends not enemies, when they see that the real enemy is atheism and paganism, then the world will become a very different place. The fighting that has raged for ages, enmities, fears - and terrorist attacks - will come to an end, and a new civilization based on love, respect and peace will be established upon this "common formula"."
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Heero: Monotheism is a religion, my practicing religion is spiritism.
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
in what way? whether you believe it or not is your choice, but I would be interested to learn why you think it is propaganda?
:)
Peace
"Deaths in the Bible. God - 2,270,365
not including the victims of Noah's flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, or the
many plagues, famines, fiery serpents, etc because no specific numbers
were given. Satan - 10."
that's a pure propaganda sorry adey but I don't beleive on that...
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I know that many of our religions are monotheism, but at least find one area of how you will practice faith in one of them.
"Everything in this book may be wrong." Illusions: The Adventures of The Reluctant Messiah by Richard Bach
same vid here:
http://richarddawkins.net/article,3239,UPDATED-Richard-Dawkins-on-Harun-Yahyas-Atlas-of-Creation,Richard-Dawkins-Council-of-Ex-Muslims-of-Britain
"Deaths in the Bible. God - 2,270,365
not including the victims of Noah's flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, or the
many plagues, famines, fiery serpents, etc because no specific numbers
were given. Satan - 10."
sorry Adey, I can not see that video, coz it's blocked by IT....I'm in night shift ;)
PANDA
See this link regarding Yahya Hurun, or his real name, Adnan Oktar. He is currently serving 3 years in a Turkish prison, or soon will be as he has been sentanced.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8457867542234219874&hl=en
"Deaths in the Bible. God - 2,270,365
not including the victims of Noah's flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, or the
many plagues, famines, fiery serpents, etc because no specific numbers
were given. Satan - 10."
Okay, for the sake of peace, I agree with you, adey. God is an unpleasant character of fiction.
Very much like a egyptian god/king I would say.
"Deaths in the Bible. God - 2,270,365
not including the victims of Noah's flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, or the
many plagues, famines, fiery serpents, etc because no specific numbers
were given. Satan - 10."
"unpleasant character...jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully". All this is very spiritual. If you'd said, he was a brutal murderer who kills everyone who disagrees, I would consider him a "real" biest, much like Aton.
when or where the jews came from for certain.
I would hardly call the god of the old testament spiritual, I am sure you are familiar with this description:
“The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully"
"Deaths in the Bible. God - 2,270,365
not including the victims of Noah's flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, or the
many plagues, famines, fiery serpents, etc because no specific numbers
were given. Satan - 10."
Akhenaten appears in history almost two-centuries prior to the first archaeological and written evidence for Judaism and Israelite culture, therefore a connection between Akhenaten and the single God of the Jews should be doubted, adey. There is also a huge difference in the understanding of that single God. The "Sun God" of Akhenaten differs significantly from the more "spiritual" Jewish God.
It didn't last long, though, platao. They returned to Amun and many gods immediately after Echnaton's death.
The development of monotheism can be traced to the Egyptian pharaoh Akhenaton whose efforts to suppress polytheism and replace it with monotheism (the Sun god) met with far less success than occurred later in Rome.
There are even theories that Akhenaton IS Moses, leader of the monotheistic cult of Hebrews who left Egypt to live in Israel. He received the Ten Commandments around 1313BC, just twenty years after the death of Akhenaten and the reinstatement of the old Egyptian gods by young Tutankhamen.
The existence of Moses is in historical doubt and there was no evidence in Egyptian records of the Exodus, the sojourn in the desert or any 'descent from Mt. Sinai with the Ten Commandments' making dating the event impossible.
That said, I feel sure the Biblical account has some roots in actual events and as the existence of the Israelites as a separate people before they emerged from Egypt has not been established I'd suggest they might have been members of a monotheistic 'sun-worshipping' Egyptian sect which left Egypt for 'religious freedom' after Akhenaten's death and polytheism was reintroduced.
Lots of rituals, myths and stories are transferable between Judaism, Christianity and Islam - and many have their roots steeped in the far older Egyptian stories, not forgetting the myths of Greece, Rome and Persia.
"Deaths in the Bible. God - 2,270,365
not including the victims of Noah's flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, or the
many plagues, famines, fiery serpents, etc because no specific numbers
were given. Satan - 10."
MD: Yes he was during Akhenaton kingdom
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
Pharao Ekhn-Aton was also a monotheist.
"As people who believe in God and follow His revelations, let us rally to a common formula - "faith". Let's love God, Who is our Creator and Lord, and follow His commands. And let us pray God to lead us to an even straighter path. When Muslims, Christians and Jews rally to a common formula this way; when they understand that they are friends not enemies, when they see that the real enemy is atheism and paganism, then the world will become a very different place. The fighting that has raged for ages, enmities, fears - and terrorist attacks - will come to an end, and a new civilization based on love, respect and peace will be established upon this "common formula"."
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Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
Hero: Christians/jews/muslims came from Monotheism, they are all monotheist religions.
Abraham and Mohammed (PBUH) were monotheists
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
have a look in this site for more information...
www.harunyahya.com
PANDA
God! What kind of a religion is a monotheism??
"Everything in this book may be wrong." Illusions: The Adventures of The Reluctant Messiah by Richard Bach