Who is the "better person"? the man who does something good simply because it seems like the right thing to do, or the man who does it because he is religious and doesn't want to go to hell? (or suffer other consequences)
THANKS FOR ALL the comments,suggestions, clarifications and all those reactions for this Thread.. I'm happy to hear from your side guys.. I hope and pray that each and everyone of us will be a role model in society not because we wanted to show to the people that we are good but because ,we wanted to live this World in Peace, Love and Harmony.... We must believe to ourselves that we can be a good preacher and a follower... Follow your faith..... Our faith makes us strong and our deeds makes us more human.....Whatever religion we have, One thing for sure.. God loves us All..
" Successful people are not Gifted, they just worked hard and Succeed on Purpose...."
The story was about a man who ask Jesus, as to what he should do to gain eternal life. Jesus told him to obey the commandments. Then the man told that he had obeyed since his youth.
But when Jesus told him one more thing, to sell his things and give to the poor, then he shall have treasure in heaven, then he should follow Jesus.
The guy got dissapointed and sad when he heard that and went away.
Matthew 19:24 "And again i say unto you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God"
This story can somehow tell us what is more important.
Following God's will is more important than doing/thinking only what is good.
If you do something ordinary good is consider moral. (like the guy do good things as to God's commandment).
But doing something extra-ordinary good for God's glory (like what Jesus told the man to sell his properties and give to the poor) will give you more blessings and even eternal life.
Don tell me - Angel16 - is expecting the Muslims to be 5 x 7 = 35 times more spiritual and religious n moral than Christians....? As Christians go Church every Sunday... tht to once...
And n number of times better than Hindus.. as most of us pray only when need arises...
In Hinduism - Religious Rituals n Spiritual quest are treated as two different entities( interdependent but still separate )... Don know about Islam.... CBD???
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I think that everyone can start from himself that dont look to be rewarded being good person doing good things to people but look at it from ur own view that I wanna be a good person no matter at all people do or beleive in , and may be by doing good other people would be look at u as a model beleive me there still people u can affect them it also may variet between people
u can start from ur self..thats a good start and u will raise ur family at the same good morals by being the modal...and people around will always be affected
Everybody here... I mean ( Arein, Beeseh, n CBD)..not counting the dudes n chicks answering the main forum once in a while....
We are all saying the same thing... repeat after repeat...
But in different lang... I mean words and sentences....
Go through the posts of everyone.. you ll see tht....
What I am interested in is a Solution for the problem we guyz see here...
If the Society has to solve the problem.... we are the society... I am the society.... Give a Solution.... for this problem.. Everybody knows the problem exists.. and is really dirty... lets take a step beyond this now....
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THE THING THAT IS MOST PEOPLE DONT TINK ABOUT IS THAT NEVER WAS RELEGION SEPERATED FROM MORALS NEVER,,ITS THE CASE IN MY RELEGION THAT RELEGION IS ALL ABOUT MORALS ..TO BE CLEARER THAT IF U RED ABOUT THE LIFE OF ALL PROPHETS U WILL FIND THAT THEY HAVE GREAT MORAL VALUES IS IT RIGHT SO THIS IS LIFE ALL ABOUT TO HAVE MORALS OR U WOULDNT BE ANY DIFFERNT FROM ANIMALS TO BE HONEST !!
I CANT BE MEAN TO ANYONE IF HE was bad TO ME I`LL FORGIVE ,I DEFENCE MY SElf,but I`ll never meet bad with bad
CBD, you got the point: it's no such thing like "bad religion", only bad ppl misusing a religion/others whatever... however... OK, I don't want to make a fight here...
Leme repeat am not against any religion, and I will never say any religion and its books supports violence.They all stand for the good, I totally agree.
Its like marketting strategies, we make them, implement and if the result is negative in the review? dumb it!!! It was made for a good reason, but it dropped ma sale :)
The ''impression'' is true. The judgement is not the result of any propaganda rather from whats been and is happening in this world. I am sure I dont need to produce proof , do I?. Its all facts each and every one knows. We all are going throug the effects of it.
that is an impression you have about religion which is not true at all!
My religion, Islam, instructs me not to kill innocent people and states that killing one single life is as worse as killing the whole people. Not only that, but promises a reward for helping living matters! not necessarily humans or muslims in particular.
It is just the wrong impression you have, thanks to propaganda maybe, that cause you to release such a judegment.
Some people do misuse religion, but this is not religion's problem. It is the problem of those decieved who, some of them, are not even bothered to find truth for themselves.
Arien we need more and more people to Spread the true essence of religion...
We ll have to out number those who are spreading it in wrong way and for ill goals....
Can we???
Thanks to them many today feel religion is jus bondage... and better to be ill-moralled than be religious... you ll be spoiling only your life.. but being religious you kill and damage nothing else...
We have to out number them.. spread the good word buddy...
ONe way os leading by example... let others see the diff in you and admire you..
things shall move in right direction pretty soon...
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i disagree here...religion is good and is effective..if others do not use it or respect it..then they are causing the problem not the religion..
very much like civil laws which is suppose to bring security and peace and yet many criminals ignore it. Should we stop law enforcement because of criminals?
we should promote the culture of law & religion which both are closely related. Law is an extension to religion.
As CBD has said religion is about the truth, instincts of a human....
And yes... Good ... BAd... true.. false... all are relative terms...
Good for a Hungry is to Eat Lots...
And for a over-weight is to eat less... (Example..)
But, religion is a way of life... not a bondage as we think... it was a guideline gifted to us.. By god... so tht we have a solid pillar to support us stand whenever we fall weak.. weakness could be anything.....
It ll result you to commit actions which somewhere inside you - you shall feel guilty about.....
= > Religion is very powerful....
Unlike science it has emotional attachment.. anyone can manipulate you with this weapon... SEE THE WORLD TODAY...
Religion is like a Very powerful and sharp Axe..
Its power can be used either way...
And Mind you... it is not religion for which we face problems..
IT IS TERRORISM.... not religion... it is people miss guided ... emotionally...
Only Solution I see to this is
1. Education.... unbiased..
2. Exposure to other civilizations... When you see someone else loves his lang as much you do yours... You understand there is no point in dieing to save it...
Or to love it in a fanatic way..
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Christianity promotes turning the other cheek..do you think this is what is causing death and wars??
NEVER!!
it is the greed and evil of people which drives us to wars and killings...
you have the wrong picture in your mind because so many politicians/criminals used religion to mislead people to bad causes..and people believed them...
How do you find the end result CBD?? with all the books and laws taught to the mankind by different religions?? Are they all happy living sticking to the books, perfect?
What I am seeing is, all negatives. It part , devide and kill people allover.It has become a threat to the whole world.Made all of us report to the airports 3 to 4 hours sit and yawn... its endless
Ashwin..we agree that guidlines are internal..religion is just a reinforcement to internal traits we have.
beeseh,
religion is a guide given to humans by God through prophets. If you examine religions, you will see all of them support good values and condemns injustices and killing the innocent. No religion is required to let us agree on those values.. So religion indeed is compatible with our instincts. it is just a formualted tool sent to us by God to organise our lives. Religion also help in every aspect of life where visibility is not clear too.
Not every grown up person can tell right from wrong, the same applies for children though the reasons are different. Anyway, what is right and what is wrong? Who gave us this definition? Right is what is considered to be right by the majority of society.
I somehow believe we are born as a ready product with all the main personality traits. Psychologists say in the first 3 years you can actually for the character of your child but I somehow have doubts about it. I'd say you can only strengthen what is already inside your child. You can't sow weed and expect to harvest wheat...
Arien, I agree that nothing can make us good or bad. And I also think there is no good or bad person, we're all a mix of emotions and decisions, good ones and bad ones.
Sidh, if as a person you can't tell right from wrong no religion of this world will make you a better person.
Arien, you're right but fear is never a good solution, it doesn't work for a long time. Sooner or later those who do good out of fear will fall back to their true self and that's gonna be hell then.
i don't think we disagree if we look at it from all angles..
I think this is a confusing question and is hard to give a proper answer. The reason is that all of us do not understand what religion is. We always think of it as an external set of laws imposed on us, which is true but this is only one aspect of religion which is inherited in it.
On the other side, we have human instinct. Now, any grown up person can tell right from wrong even little children. How gave you that instinct?? who gave you that natural tendency?? ANSWER IS: GOD gave you the instinct.
Now, who gave you religion? Answer is: God gave you religion.
Looking at it from behind.. Religion is an effective remedi for the morons who doesnt fall in the first catagory. The fear and threat of hell by his religion makes him a better being..lol
religions guide us with the right path, and that path contains, peace, love harmony, kindness etc.. i guess these r the qualities for good morals......wat do u say...///
Dance, I agree with you, moral comes first. We learn it as little children, our parents teach us to tell wrong from right. But after that it's up to us if we make the right choice. And this is the point where I can't really agree with you Curious. For me if somebody does the right thing because he knows it's the right thing is more worth than doing it because somebody else told you so. A really good person follows the 10 commandments without ever having heard of it.
The better, make it the balance between moral and religious deeds. Moral without religion is a directionless, likewise religion without moral is decay. The moral value a man must possesses to be accepted in general society . Religious value goes as civic guideline as individual preferences. In short both makes a better person
The former is the person who is doing it because he likes to.
And the later.. (I would not say religious here) does it out of fear.. doesn't want to see himself in a place where he might get into if e doesn't do so...
If you are helping to make this world a better place to leave... irrespective of the motive behind it .. it is good...
And when we talk about a person who wants to help because he feels like - I would not be surprised to see majority number in this category shall be religious guyz...
And people who do out of fear of Hell - Shall be either guyz who do not believe much in religion but still jus to keep themselves safe from hell shall do the act..... (you know jus in case god exists.. I should be safe types..)
Or the religious who are on self-realization journey and still have limited exposure to true essence of religion.
The extreme ends of anything always look similar if not looked deeply.
A child is innocent, so is a 70 yrs +
The former is so, because he is not aware about the ego (He is unaware)... And the later bcoz he has seen many things and understood ego is not worth the life... and innocence is bliss (He has realized)... If you look from out side.. both would look similar..
But are extreme ends of a mans life....
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Moral Come 1st even when you are a kid & don`t know about religion, then religion come to stop you when you are a man from treating other the same way so religion is the top of all Morals & it helps also to keep us all away from our own judgment which deffer according to experience or else, so it give us all the same rights & create equality in everything.
surely the man who does something which seems the right thing to do is the better person than the one who does the right thing because his religion tells him so.
this is a tough question..and i don't think there is a wrong answer..
the former should be appreciated for humanity and doing the right thing..the other guy is good follower of religion and also conducts a good behaviour..
so from our point of view, both are good because we measure them on thier act..if someone does you a favour..it does not matter whether they do it because it is the right thing to do or whether they are doing it for religious beliefs as long as it is a good thing they are doing.
Remember, that some people know what is right from wrong and not necessarily do what is right..Knowingly!
a morally upright person in an unimpeachable embodiment of his religion... for truly, no religion teaches immorality.. thus, neither character preponderates over the other and it is sufficient that a person possesses one and puts it in practice.
The first one. It's not religion that makes us to a good person, it's our own decisions. I've seen many oh so religious ppl who will land in hell, actually sometimes I think hell will be filled with "religious" ppl...
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Talking about a rat race?????? you guyz are smart man....
talking in codes...
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DA- ok, cool- Never knew that these ones also has races lol - but they look the same
Sorry for hijack guys :(
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mheljescamae - Mess??
Ohk -
1. Isreal Palestine issue
2. Terrorism in world
3. Extremist groups - All over the world
4. Inter religion riots in India
5. Racism
6. etc etc etc.... My GK not good enough
All these issues because we belive in God with the intensity as you do but have mis understood his teachings big time....
We fight for Saving the religion, religion which should give peace...
We are killing n robbing in the name of religion...
this is the mess....
Never seen this???
Solution for this... only believing in god is not solving these issues..
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Hold your hmmm hmm yes hold you rats. and wait am still checking on it
just wondering who will go for the African's one here.
lol da.. come on man, why you ddnt reply, be serious now.
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Hi everyone..
THANKS FOR ALL the comments,suggestions, clarifications and all those reactions for this Thread.. I'm happy to hear from your side guys.. I hope and pray that each and everyone of us will be a role model in society not because we wanted to show to the people that we are good but because ,we wanted to live this World in Peace, Love and Harmony.... We must believe to ourselves that we can be a good preacher and a follower... Follow your faith..... Our faith makes us strong and our deeds makes us more human.....Whatever religion we have, One thing for sure.. God loves us All..
" Successful people are not Gifted, they just worked hard and Succeed on Purpose...."
ashwind, what kind of mess are you referring to?
God gave human the ability to decide for themselves.
Whether they believe or not is up to them, when it comes to believing in God.
you mean those chicks email you sent me and wana trade from kenya ewww man you are nasty :P
wrong thread!
i am not here!
mheljescamae - the problem we face today is less about people not believing in God... But mis-understanding him.... in a very extreme way...
How you think is possible to help us out of this mess we have created... ?
I know religion is Good...
I know people are misusing it...
And I am PHD in these two by now....
I m searching for answer to solve this mess... Do you see a solution to help us out????
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Dracula..u r a victim of propaganda and those who misuse religion...and now u developed a bad impression about religions and don't want to change it..
go and read religions and i bet you won't find religions contribute to wars in thier essence..
only people who misuse religion and mislead ppl who don't bother to check the truth creat that image in ur mind..
Hi Zhie. If you will read Matthew 17:27,
http://everything2.com/node/952041
The story was about a man who ask Jesus, as to what he should do to gain eternal life. Jesus told him to obey the commandments. Then the man told that he had obeyed since his youth.
But when Jesus told him one more thing, to sell his things and give to the poor, then he shall have treasure in heaven, then he should follow Jesus.
The guy got dissapointed and sad when he heard that and went away.
Matthew 19:24 "And again i say unto you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God"
This story can somehow tell us what is more important.
Following God's will is more important than doing/thinking only what is good.
If you do something ordinary good is consider moral. (like the guy do good things as to God's commandment).
But doing something extra-ordinary good for God's glory (like what Jesus told the man to sell his properties and give to the poor) will give you more blessings and even eternal life.
as long as both do good?
Thats the irony of the whole story Flanostu.
Thats the Irony.... We are holding the wrong side of the blade....
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you need religion to be a better person??? give me a break!!!
we live in a world of hate, and at the core of it....religion!!!!
Don tell me - Angel16 - is expecting the Muslims to be 5 x 7 = 35 times more spiritual and religious n moral than Christians....? As Christians go Church every Sunday... tht to once...
And n number of times better than Hindus.. as most of us pray only when need arises...
In Hinduism - Religious Rituals n Spiritual quest are treated as two different entities( interdependent but still separate )... Don know about Islam.... CBD???
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I think she wanted to know the real motive why ppl pray 5 times a day... ?
lol Darude..
angel16...could you please explain further what exactly did you mean in your last post?
Hey.. thts the first goat I am seeing with manner n etiquettes n stuff....
Informing before leaving... Good... MAzboot....
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Da , you better check your email and reply me :)
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yea make sure you dont come back again.
sigh!!!
am out a here.. cheers
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Guyz......
Tooleen is talking to us??? or the main forum???
I m not very sure.... it looks applicable in both... :)
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I think that everyone can start from himself that dont look to be rewarded being good person doing good things to people but look at it from ur own view that I wanna be a good person no matter at all people do or beleive in , and may be by doing good other people would be look at u as a model beleive me there still people u can affect them it also may variet between people
u can start from ur self..thats a good start and u will raise ur family at the same good morals by being the modal...and people around will always be affected
Everybody here... I mean ( Arein, Beeseh, n CBD)..not counting the dudes n chicks answering the main forum once in a while....
We are all saying the same thing... repeat after repeat...
But in different lang... I mean words and sentences....
Go through the posts of everyone.. you ll see tht....
What I am interested in is a Solution for the problem we guyz see here...
If the Society has to solve the problem.... we are the society... I am the society.... Give a Solution.... for this problem.. Everybody knows the problem exists.. and is really dirty... lets take a step beyond this now....
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THE THING THAT IS MOST PEOPLE DONT TINK ABOUT IS THAT NEVER WAS RELEGION SEPERATED FROM MORALS NEVER,,ITS THE CASE IN MY RELEGION THAT RELEGION IS ALL ABOUT MORALS ..TO BE CLEARER THAT IF U RED ABOUT THE LIFE OF ALL PROPHETS U WILL FIND THAT THEY HAVE GREAT MORAL VALUES IS IT RIGHT SO THIS IS LIFE ALL ABOUT TO HAVE MORALS OR U WOULDNT BE ANY DIFFERNT FROM ANIMALS TO BE HONEST !!
I CANT BE MEAN TO ANYONE IF HE was bad TO ME I`LL FORGIVE ,I DEFENCE MY SElf,but I`ll never meet bad with bad
CBD, you got the point: it's no such thing like "bad religion", only bad ppl misusing a religion/others whatever... however... OK, I don't want to make a fight here...
What a daft question.
It really does not matter. A person learns "morals", "rthics" , "manners" from a varity of sources.
As long as one is a good person, what matter what the drivers are ?
We will not reach any where CBD :).
Leme repeat am not against any religion, and I will never say any religion and its books supports violence.They all stand for the good, I totally agree.
Its like marketting strategies, we make them, implement and if the result is negative in the review? dumb it!!! It was made for a good reason, but it dropped ma sale :)
The ''impression'' is true. The judgement is not the result of any propaganda rather from whats been and is happening in this world. I am sure I dont need to produce proof , do I?. Its all facts each and every one knows. We all are going throug the effects of it.
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can you try to look around in every place here in doha?
then try to explain for yourself if there is moral for the people who pray 5 times a day?
Arien,
that is an impression you have about religion which is not true at all!
My religion, Islam, instructs me not to kill innocent people and states that killing one single life is as worse as killing the whole people. Not only that, but promises a reward for helping living matters! not necessarily humans or muslims in particular.
It is just the wrong impression you have, thanks to propaganda maybe, that cause you to release such a judegment.
Some people do misuse religion, but this is not religion's problem. It is the problem of those decieved who, some of them, are not even bothered to find truth for themselves.
CBD, Nope not at all a relevant comparison. Law and religion. Laws obviously restricts criminals, without law and order it would be a disaster
religion creates fanatics. They makes the life a disatser. World would have been much better without them.
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Bulls Eye No 3 of the Day...
Arien we need more and more people to Spread the true essence of religion...
We ll have to out number those who are spreading it in wrong way and for ill goals....
Can we???
Thanks to them many today feel religion is jus bondage... and better to be ill-moralled than be religious... you ll be spoiling only your life.. but being religious you kill and damage nothing else...
We have to out number them.. spread the good word buddy...
ONe way os leading by example... let others see the diff in you and admire you..
things shall move in right direction pretty soon...
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Arien..
i disagree here...religion is good and is effective..if others do not use it or respect it..then they are causing the problem not the religion..
very much like civil laws which is suppose to bring security and peace and yet many criminals ignore it. Should we stop law enforcement because of criminals?
we should promote the culture of law & religion which both are closely related. Law is an extension to religion.
yes CBD, am forced to believe, and I stand by that.
I agree to allthose about religions, any religion for that matter, the books reads great, promotes peace.
I dont see them in practical. which shows the failure of the theories in giving us a peacefull life. whats the use??
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Ha ha ha ... CBD -
pls... no... Mahatma Gandhi is not my role model.... mine is Swami Vivekananda... who was known to be a Warrior Saint...
If you ever get to read about him... you can go through tht..
Mahatama Gandhi was class apart... he was very humble n gentle n stuff... not me man... damn sure...
And Hey CBD pls include me too about the PMs ... if you think they ll help me grow in the spiritual quest and understanding of this world...
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Ashwin..
you must have brought this from Mohandas Ghandi's ideas..otherwise..he must be your ancesotr or something!
Close thinking!
CBD, but I heard of certain things and I even read some translations... but maybe that's a topic for a PM?
One Thing I really feel bad about...
In a tussle between Religious n Devil/Politicians/Bas&*$ds
How can a religious person WIN??
The person shall be humble, ever forgiving, ever loving... He ll like you even if you hate him
Even if you make fun of him in public/humiliation
Even if you cheat him.... He shall forgive
And against.. a devil.. who cheats... steals,.. bribes... kills... how can the kind stand against him..
not tht the peace is weaker than War..
Thing is it is not bothered about the materialistic gains... which devil/evil fights for at any cost...
And even our reference of success is possession of these worldly materials...
But he should win against the evil..... I don like the helplessness he seems to be in
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Arein -
As CBD has said religion is about the truth, instincts of a human....
And yes... Good ... BAd... true.. false... all are relative terms...
Good for a Hungry is to Eat Lots...
And for a over-weight is to eat less... (Example..)
But, religion is a way of life... not a bondage as we think... it was a guideline gifted to us.. By god... so tht we have a solid pillar to support us stand whenever we fall weak.. weakness could be anything.....
It ll result you to commit actions which somewhere inside you - you shall feel guilty about.....
= > Religion is very powerful....
Unlike science it has emotional attachment.. anyone can manipulate you with this weapon... SEE THE WORLD TODAY...
Religion is like a Very powerful and sharp Axe..
Its power can be used either way...
And Mind you... it is not religion for which we face problems..
IT IS TERRORISM.... not religion... it is people miss guided ... emotionally...
Only Solution I see to this is
1. Education.... unbiased..
2. Exposure to other civilizations... When you see someone else loves his lang as much you do yours... You understand there is no point in dieing to save it...
Or to love it in a fanatic way..
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Arien,
Islam supports peace...
Christianity promotes turning the other cheek..do you think this is what is causing death and wars??
NEVER!!
it is the greed and evil of people which drives us to wars and killings...
you have the wrong picture in your mind because so many politicians/criminals used religion to mislead people to bad causes..and people believed them...
How do you find the end result CBD?? with all the books and laws taught to the mankind by different religions?? Are they all happy living sticking to the books, perfect?
What I am seeing is, all negatives. It part , devide and kill people allover.It has become a threat to the whole world.Made all of us report to the airports 3 to 4 hours sit and yawn... its endless
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Ashwin..we agree that guidlines are internal..religion is just a reinforcement to internal traits we have.
beeseh,
religion is a guide given to humans by God through prophets. If you examine religions, you will see all of them support good values and condemns injustices and killing the innocent. No religion is required to let us agree on those values.. So religion indeed is compatible with our instincts. it is just a formualted tool sent to us by God to organise our lives. Religion also help in every aspect of life where visibility is not clear too.
Curious, can you pls define "religion"?
Not every grown up person can tell right from wrong, the same applies for children though the reasons are different. Anyway, what is right and what is wrong? Who gave us this definition? Right is what is considered to be right by the majority of society.
I somehow believe we are born as a ready product with all the main personality traits. Psychologists say in the first 3 years you can actually for the character of your child but I somehow have doubts about it. I'd say you can only strengthen what is already inside your child. You can't sow weed and expect to harvest wheat...
Arien, I agree that nothing can make us good or bad. And I also think there is no good or bad person, we're all a mix of emotions and decisions, good ones and bad ones.
CBD - I would partially agree with you. It is yes when you say - Religion is not understood by us in totallity.
And I disagree or have different point of view - when you the laws mentioned in religion are external...
I strongly feel the guidelines ("laws" sounds strict) given in religion come from inside... tht is true nature of every human being...
But it is often clouded by the -
1. Falling pray to the sensual (5 sense organs) needs and desires.
2. And committing actions for short term benefits, assuming we shall not have to pay for it...
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Yes beesah, Those ones are the ones who might turn fanatics and create havoc allover too.
Bottom line is clear, not only religion nothing helps to transform a bad one to good.
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Sidh, if as a person you can't tell right from wrong no religion of this world will make you a better person.
Arien, you're right but fear is never a good solution, it doesn't work for a long time. Sooner or later those who do good out of fear will fall back to their true self and that's gonna be hell then.
beeseh,
i don't think we disagree if we look at it from all angles..
I think this is a confusing question and is hard to give a proper answer. The reason is that all of us do not understand what religion is. We always think of it as an external set of laws imposed on us, which is true but this is only one aspect of religion which is inherited in it.
On the other side, we have human instinct. Now, any grown up person can tell right from wrong even little children. How gave you that instinct?? who gave you that natural tendency?? ANSWER IS: GOD gave you the instinct.
Now, who gave you religion? Answer is: God gave you religion.
so it is basically the same.
Arien - Bulls eye once again....
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Looking at it from behind.. Religion is an effective remedi for the morons who doesnt fall in the first catagory. The fear and threat of hell by his religion makes him a better being..lol
They are the one who need it.
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religions guide us with the right path, and that path contains, peace, love harmony, kindness etc.. i guess these r the qualities for good morals......wat do u say...///
Dance, I agree with you, moral comes first. We learn it as little children, our parents teach us to tell wrong from right. But after that it's up to us if we make the right choice. And this is the point where I can't really agree with you Curious. For me if somebody does the right thing because he knows it's the right thing is more worth than doing it because somebody else told you so. A really good person follows the 10 commandments without ever having heard of it.
The better, make it the balance between moral and religious deeds. Moral without religion is a directionless, likewise religion without moral is decay. The moral value a man must possesses to be accepted in general society . Religious value goes as civic guideline as individual preferences. In short both makes a better person
I don't really care, as I'm not going to ask them why their deeds are good.
Personally, I'd like my actions to speak for me and whatever I represent and stand for to others.
Note: I love Allah more than fearing Him.
Salam
If I have understood the forum text correctly....
The former is the person who is doing it because he likes to.
And the later.. (I would not say religious here) does it out of fear.. doesn't want to see himself in a place where he might get into if e doesn't do so...
If you are helping to make this world a better place to leave... irrespective of the motive behind it .. it is good...
And when we talk about a person who wants to help because he feels like - I would not be surprised to see majority number in this category shall be religious guyz...
And people who do out of fear of Hell - Shall be either guyz who do not believe much in religion but still jus to keep themselves safe from hell shall do the act..... (you know jus in case god exists.. I should be safe types..)
Or the religious who are on self-realization journey and still have limited exposure to true essence of religion.
The extreme ends of anything always look similar if not looked deeply.
A child is innocent, so is a 70 yrs +
The former is so, because he is not aware about the ego (He is unaware)... And the later bcoz he has seen many things and understood ego is not worth the life... and innocence is bliss (He has realized)... If you look from out side.. both would look similar..
But are extreme ends of a mans life....
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Dear Friends
Moral Come 1st even when you are a kid & don`t know about religion, then religion come to stop you when you are a man from treating other the same way so religion is the top of all Morals & it helps also to keep us all away from our own judgment which deffer according to experience or else, so it give us all the same rights & create equality in everything.
Anything that comes straight from the heart is far better then coming from a book!
surely the man who does something which seems the right thing to do is the better person than the one who does the right thing because his religion tells him so.
this is a tough question..and i don't think there is a wrong answer..
the former should be appreciated for humanity and doing the right thing..the other guy is good follower of religion and also conducts a good behaviour..
so from our point of view, both are good because we measure them on thier act..if someone does you a favour..it does not matter whether they do it because it is the right thing to do or whether they are doing it for religious beliefs as long as it is a good thing they are doing.
Remember, that some people know what is right from wrong and not necessarily do what is right..Knowingly!
Does it really make any difference ???
The botom line is that both are doing some good .
a morally upright person in an unimpeachable embodiment of his religion... for truly, no religion teaches immorality.. thus, neither character preponderates over the other and it is sufficient that a person possesses one and puts it in practice.
You do whats in your religion you just do it for yourself. You help others you do it for the love of the creator and its creation.
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The first one. It's not religion that makes us to a good person, it's our own decisions. I've seen many oh so religious ppl who will land in hell, actually sometimes I think hell will be filled with "religious" ppl...
their internal intention is immateraial, inapplicable, That is their own satisfaction and personal
your reasons as long as you strive to be a good person is already a noble act.
expect nothing, do more, love lots, smile often, cry sometimes but continue living....
" Successful people are not Gifted, they just worked hard and Succeed on Purpose...."
that does something because it seems the right thing to do.
The latter one really doesn't want to but does it through fear more than anything else.