these high profiled prophets were assigned with massive task and highly blessed and placed; hence authorised to ask Allah for such miracles.
We just being ordinary believers should be satisfied and feel blessed while listening and reading their biographies and with their exemplary work done and extra ordinary patterns of life.
We believers SHALL NEVER ask for any scientific proofs?
If we were trying to show that Science (and Technology) are different from religion, yes that is surely the case.
Science can only tell us "How the Universe Works ?" and Technology (i.e. Applied science), makes use of the answers provided by Science to improve the lives of human beings.
But Science cannot answer the question "Why the Universe works the way it does?", "What is the purpose of this Universe ?", "Is there a purpose at all ?", "Is there anything beyond, something that we cannot perceive?",
"Is Morality relative or there are absolute defintions of good and evil?"
These are all questions that sicentists will claim are the domain of metaphysics (not physics), and non-scientists will say are questions of spirituality or religion.
So you see Science and Religion and trying to answer different questions and complements each other in many cases and hence cannot be the same.
Though it is a diversion from the topic, I will answer you so that you don't think I am dodging your question. Killing can be either in defence of oneself, right and property, or in an illegal, aggressive way. If you mean the second kind then they are there in all religions. They are the negative side and bad representatives of their religions.
If you like, you may post a separate topic on whichever issue you like for discussion. I just request you to kindly be on track so as not to divert the discussion to something else.
Mesoptania: It's a beautifull verse, as a muslim it confirms Allah's greatness, now as some one that can reason, i ask you, why would such a powerful being as Allah would ask his creation to do things on His name?
Ayman
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
dear, it is in the human nature to like solid and tangible proofs, as curiousity and doubt are most likely to infiltrate the human soul and mind.
See for example the following verse which speaks about the father of prophets - Abraham- who, though a strong believer, asked his Lord for a tangible proof for His Abilities for his heart to be fully assured.
"And (remember) when Ibrahim (Abraham) said, "My Lord! Show me how You give life to the dead." He (Allah) said: "Do you not believe?" He [Ibrahim (Abraham)] said: "Yes (I believe), but to be stronger in Faith." He said: "Take four birds, then cause them to incline towards you (then slaughter them, cut them into pieces), and then put a portion of them on every hill, and call them, they will come to you in haste. And know that Allah is All-Mighty, All-Wise." [Quran 2:260]
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these high profiled prophets were assigned with massive task and highly blessed and placed; hence authorised to ask Allah for such miracles.
We just being ordinary believers should be satisfied and feel blessed while listening and reading their biographies and with their exemplary work done and extra ordinary patterns of life.
We believers SHALL NEVER ask for any scientific proofs?
If we were trying to show that Science (and Technology) are different from religion, yes that is surely the case.
Science can only tell us "How the Universe Works ?" and Technology (i.e. Applied science), makes use of the answers provided by Science to improve the lives of human beings.
But Science cannot answer the question "Why the Universe works the way it does?", "What is the purpose of this Universe ?", "Is there a purpose at all ?", "Is there anything beyond, something that we cannot perceive?",
"Is Morality relative or there are absolute defintions of good and evil?"
These are all questions that sicentists will claim are the domain of metaphysics (not physics), and non-scientists will say are questions of spirituality or religion.
So you see Science and Religion and trying to answer different questions and complements each other in many cases and hence cannot be the same.
Dear Platao36
Though it is a diversion from the topic, I will answer you so that you don't think I am dodging your question. Killing can be either in defence of oneself, right and property, or in an illegal, aggressive way. If you mean the second kind then they are there in all religions. They are the negative side and bad representatives of their religions.
If you like, you may post a separate topic on whichever issue you like for discussion. I just request you to kindly be on track so as not to divert the discussion to something else.
My best wishes
How embarrassing.... is that the best you can show?
Anyone that kills anybody else in God's name
Ayman
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
Plato, would you please give clearer comments? Which killings do you mean? the killer?? the killed?
No, like killing in His name
Ayman
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
do things on His name.. like what? Like guiding others to the right path, for example?
Mesoptania: It's a beautifull verse, as a muslim it confirms Allah's greatness, now as some one that can reason, i ask you, why would such a powerful being as Allah would ask his creation to do things on His name?
Ayman
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
dear, it is in the human nature to like solid and tangible proofs, as curiousity and doubt are most likely to infiltrate the human soul and mind.
See for example the following verse which speaks about the father of prophets - Abraham- who, though a strong believer, asked his Lord for a tangible proof for His Abilities for his heart to be fully assured.
"And (remember) when Ibrahim (Abraham) said, "My Lord! Show me how You give life to the dead." He (Allah) said: "Do you not believe?" He [Ibrahim (Abraham)] said: "Yes (I believe), but to be stronger in Faith." He said: "Take four birds, then cause them to incline towards you (then slaughter them, cut them into pieces), and then put a portion of them on every hill, and call them, they will come to you in haste. And know that Allah is All-Mighty, All-Wise." [Quran 2:260]
mercy and mould our hearts to accept the facts and reject all fictions...Aameen!
It is OUR FAITH and we don't need any proof;
this is required for non believers.
Allah knows the BEST!
and at some point he says that he is not going to say anything about science and the Qu'ran - so the title of this thread is incorrect.
"Deaths in the Bible. God - 2,270,365
not including the victims of Noah's flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, or the
many plagues, famines, fiery serpents, etc because no specific numbers
were given. Satan - 10."
In which part does he prove that Science has proven Allah wrote the Quran?
So far he seems funny enough...although I'm confused as to whether or not he's talking about Science and Islam or doing a stand up routine.
Do you honestly feel this is what American Muslims are seen like?Thanks for being nice.
I apologise. This man is not indicative of how many American people feel. This is terrible. He is a jerk.Thanks for being nice.
God, everybody loves Yusuf Estes around here!
"Everything in this book may be wrong." Illusions: The Adventures of The Reluctant Messiah by Richard Bach
Sorry haven't got time to look....tell me more....
Just any body can talk like him especially life insurance salesman. By the way, did he offers buffet lunch at the end of his talk?