Sexy Problem - Canada

I find the Canadian Sexy too, especially the non native's..

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Gypsy - Facts were straight... intentions were not...

It was a Hijack ... And successful one

Discussing a baseless argument was goin no where...

Nuclear Weapons with Terrorists sounds more fun to discuss.... :)

And then CBD argues on definition of "TERRORIST"...

Its diff with this guy...lol

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neighbours.

:D

And I find Canada sexy,having worked there.

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I think you have me confused with someone who gives a sh1t.

in-house conservatives don't help either ;)

LOL! ASH! Get your facts straight! A Heavy Water leak is not Chernobyl! Not even close! The only way you'll get sick from Heavy Water is if you drink several gallons of it on a regular basis!

blame it on ash who always hijacks threads!

let me know if you need a hand!

WOAH! This is a heavy water leak guys, not a nuclear disaster!!! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heavy_Water

We sell heavy water reactors to the Chinese for crying out loud! They're only good for nuclear power, and then, not really.

Tallg..

I thought i related particular issues back to broad systems so I am not supporting my argument based on individual act.

Ashwin..

who is the most prominent figure in terrorism whom actions contributed to most issues we say nowadays right left and center? Bin Laden? Who trained him? who supplied him? who extended every resource possible to make him as powerful and damaging as possible?

Out of a sudden, he became a terrorist even his activities did not change before being called a terrorist and after!

does not this make you think?

and you still claim that governing bodies are democratic and human rights activists? would you claim the same considering the double standard applied? I hope you are not just trying to provoke me while in agreement!

Cbd - lol... Now I got it...

but dude... Talk about Groups... not the countries...

Governing bodies are still considerate of Democracy.. and human rights...

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Having read many of your threads and comments I definitely see some things I see your way, and I'd say some that things you see my way. That's not why you're blind. The blindness relates to you jumping on any little morsel of tittle-tattle that will give you an opportunity to diss the west in some way.

Ashwin..

then you need to revise your definition of terrorism and use it to identify who the terrorists are..

CBD - ????????????

Which one does ???

If they had they would have had used it.... Not kept it in their showroom....

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Ashwin..

i have to disagree when you say no terrorists posses nuclear power..you must be kidding!

tallg..

My argument may have been poorly presented.

However, my anti-west argument is backed up with data/info presented above & below.

Though i don't like to accuse opposers of being blind just because they are anti this or anti that without reasoning, I would accuse you of being prejudiced failing to appreciate the issues laid out.

Additional to the sexy problem, take this in democratic systems:

Jacqui-Smith Pays for porn movies! rest at:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1166266/The-United-Condom-How-Jacqui-Smith-porn-scandal-Britain-laughing-stock-world.html

Additionally:

http://www.thepeninsulaqatar.com/Display_news.asp?section=world_news&subsection=United+Kingdom+%26+Europe&month=June2009&file=World_News2009061864620.xml

misuse seems to be across the board!

I am blind because i don't see things your way.

cbd - Poor argument, poorly presented. Your anti-west agenda seems to have blinded you to being able to read all the details surrounding an incident before you pounce on it as more ammunition. You're doing yourself no favours.

CBD - Till now no terrorists group is possessing any nuclear armor....

Wht the Bloody good experience has done.... ??

Every country which has this nuclear power is treated differently...

India too went ahead with nuclear tests and weapons...

Had to face many sanctions and stuff from US...

Now the very US shall be supplying Nuclear material for the power plants to be made... :)

It was suppose to go to france... but US was aggressive in getting this one... :)

World Politics... super dirty....

But tht doesn stop you my protecting yourself....

And the biggest Blockade for Nuclear Disarmament is the Big Brother.. who asks for other nations to throw away the Nuclear weapons.... Is suppose to have piles kept in stock... :)

Why ll others follow... if you don live upto your own words...

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but who is learning from the bloody good experience? and did it identify who the terrorists are/were?

And if yes, are masses aware of it to have enough influence to stop it from happening again?

I hope though i don't think so.

For a Nuclear disaster....

After a bloody good experience of Hiroshima n Nagasaki....

i think One thing which should be taken care is.... Not let it reach the terrorists...

They put it to use for sure. and cause more nuisance than ever.....

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cbd....

i liked gypsy's logic also....

do you know anything better than wine?

dramatic but safe is better than realistic but hurt.

Wow you're dramatic.

I hope when the truth comes, my Canadian brothers and sisters and beautiful resources will have not suffered anything and that the possibility or potential of having a disaster does not materialise.

Well I dont' see how democracy wasn't followed here, but if the reason the Chalk River was pushed off was because of a partisan argument, then yes the Conservatives are in the wrong. However I've read other non-partisan articles that say the reason was because of cost and fear of a complete halt to the isotopes. So whatever the truth is I'm sure it will come out in the long run and at least the reactor is getting fixed.

UK..

in UK too, Jacqui Smith.

Well Politics is always a dirty game "sexy" game. We have our problem in the UK with the MP's expensive row, yesterday another junior minister had to resign.

However regarding this article, Yes the issue of not have enough isotope is quite serious.

As in any western country if it makes it to the Press it is even a bigger issue.

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No!

It happens only with selfish governments which bypass the public interest for thier own interest!

Democracy is the best available, arguably. However, it does not mean that West is following it and here lies the problem. People focus on shape and ignore content which ends up in disasters.

Ok, so the woman who got fired is angry. Wow. There's a shocker.

have this:

http://www.canadianmedicinenews.com/2009/05/whats-in-news-may-29-chalk-river-closed.html

it has links for other sources too!

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/article/640548

the only reason i was copying random sources, is i thought you would focus on the issue and propably use your skills to check the issue but you have not.

i did not give you bloggers' site for the lack of better ones.

Yes it is serious. However, as stated in the link you just posted, several other isotope creators are down at the moment to, so it could happen anywhere. So again, I don't see what your point is in this?

And yes there are faults with democracy, but at the moment it's the best system available, if you have any alternatives, please, do put them forward.

Also, again you've supplied us with a blogger who has no political background. You really should be careful who you listen to in the blogosphere, because many of these guys are just shooting off their mouths and may have to great understanding of the issue.

I am not bothered about how people reading will view me nor will it dictate how I behave as long as I respect and support my argument.

Yes, the west, and Canada in this case, has so many things that we would love to have. However, it does not mean that we should have it copied and pasted, nor does it mean that western societies are in a good quality as a result of ruling systems, democracy and freedom of press. Many previliges are greatly misused, and for what? Personal gain!

This is serious which could inhibit all the advatnages of having democracy/free press and the rest of it.

More on:

http://www.canadianmedicinenews.com/2009/05/whats-in-news-may-29-chalk-river-closed.html

ROFL, you should focus on the issue, don't treat it as a personal matter. This seems to be the approach which the govt took against Keen.

i did not know the blogger was arabic until you said it lol..

here is others..

http://www.canadianmedicinenews.com/2009/05/whats-in-news-may-29-chalk-river-closed.html

http://bowjamesbow.ca/2009/05/21/will-someone-ap.shtml

what is the point of giving you info from every newspaper if you will mark them as liars at the end?

the point is you should know that govt is questionable on a large scale! health, finance, conflict of interest, safety.

and I am not arguing that Qatar is better than anybody.

I didn't say the newspapers were lying, with the exception of when they said they didn't listen to the tape till several months after they found it, and that was my basing it on what I know of the managing editor and the staff, who I know personally.

I'm not taking any of this personally CBD, I find the whole thing humerous. For some reason you have it in for Canada and THIS incidence is how you're trying to prove that Canada is bad, when sadly, anyone can read the articles and see that A) you don't understand what's being said or B) you're willfully ignoring parts of the article.

Yes the government should be questioned about this, I said that, I said there should be (and there will be) an independent investigation into it, and when we go to the next election, this and other issues will be on the minds of the voters and we'll decide if the Conservatives should stay in power or not (I certaintly hope not).

That's democracy.

You're asking me to take the words of some teen aged blogger from Canada as the TRUTH? What are this guys qualifications other then that he can read a newspaper?? Or is it because he's Arabic you assume He MUST know the truth.

Frankly having looked at his blog his poltical insights are as naiive as yours.

CBD I have a degree in Political Science, I've worked for the Canadian government and for CBC and the Chronicle Hearld. I think I can form my own opinions on the situation.

I already admitted the situation was handled improperly, and I'm sure that's what will be found when an independent committee analyzes the situation. People, even governments, make mistakes. (especially the Conservatives, but that's my own beef with them).

The point is that, to the best of our knowledge, they didn't lie, they didn't cover up, they didn't do anything out of the oridinary.

What should have been done? Do what Qatar would do? Not tell anyone and throw a bunch of under paid Indian labourers at them with improper radiation suits and see how many have to die before it's fixed?

And yes CBD, I accuse you have not knowing anything about the situation because the more you write the more apparant it becomes that you don't know anything about Canadian politics, and I thought you'd like to stop embarrassing yourself.

Gypsy,

Will you just keep accusing me of being ignorant each time i express something you do not like?

to your question, when it is nuclear, safety should not be tolerated.

if you will produce isotopes with risk, then shut down the plant. Heavy leak is there! it was not safe to produce isotopes, it is sexy!

Read this and go beyond your usual magazines:

http://crystalgaze2.blogspot.com/2009/05/remember-stephen-harper-saying-chalk.html

now i can accuse you of knowing less than you should for a Canadian.

Gypsy - lol.. true... very true....

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ROFLMAO!!! Ok so you have now PROVEN that you don't understand the issue.

If we had shut down the reactor completly and done the complete overhaul there would have been NO isotopes on the market instead of just a shortage. This is why her suggestion wasn't listened to and Canada followed the advise of other Nuclear Safety Councils. It was more adviseable to fix things over time, that way it could continue to supply isotopes, then shut it down completely for years and have no isotopes.

Which is better CBD, less isotopes or NO isotopes?

shut them down, complete overhaul, listen to suggestions and have them properly evaluated.

Had someone listened to Keane, situation would have been better.

ROFLing. Thanks CBD. Let me know when you come up with the way to stop nuclear reactors from ageing. :P

Good luck to you Gypsy and particularly to those who need the isotopes..not just the Canadians, but all over the globe.

Did you read my articles CBD, I explained the issue and why she was fired, it has nothing to do with being silenced or covering anything up, nothing has been covered up. Also, yes the opposition is supposed to call for people to get fired, that is the entire point of the opposition TO OPPOSE The Governing party. They're also supposed to vote against the governing party whenever they try to pass laws. Or is that your definition of scandulous too?

Seriously, looking up some information on Representational Government and the history of politics in Canada.

We have one of the best (and sadly most boring) governments in the world.

Gypsy..

when governments fire people who decide or recommend for safety issues, they should not be fired! i guess she kept bugging them and they tried to silence her.

You said:

"As for the E-Health Minister being fired, well it looks like he was involved in a "cover-up" of $80,000 in his previous job with Ms. Raitt. Yup I figure they will both be fired. Justice is served."

hold your fire! we have not seen anything yet!

Opposition is opposition but it is not usual for opposition to ask for someone to be fired!!

the minister already stated budget will be fine given the crisis, so you cannot attribute shortage of 50 billion to the crisis.

When so many people are accused of scandals and disrespect, and when thier dismissal is demanded, then it is not a normal day to day thing, unless Canada has its own status!

I am telling you guys, you keep talking about freedom of media, election and all the rest of it..but they have a wide margin of flexibility or allowance for misuse.

but what do we see on the ground!

all we see is scandals all over the place!

mmyke, what don't you bring some facts instead of saying i know nothing!

This is what you, Gypsy and the rest of highly critical thinkers behave, once they have weak proof, they use the reserve weapon of "you know nothing!"

LOL. Yes. Conservatives are as capitilist as Canadians can be....which is still a hell of a lot more socialist then most of the world. :P

Gyps - So in other words..

Conservatives have a Capitalistic approach...

And Liberals are socialists....

And I was expecting jus the other way round... :)

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Yes but, at least in Canada, certain parties generally of certain policies. Liberals tend to lean more towards funding social programs, health care, etc, paid for by higher taxes. While Conservatives are...well conservative, and push the open market system more, cut costs and lower taxes, and the expense of the poor and needy. (Not biased am I :P )

Financially the Conservatives in Canada are compareable to the Republicans, and the Liberals are more like the Democrats. Socially there isn't really a comparison...the Conservatives are like the Democrats and the Liberals are...well...Liberal. (But less Liberal then the 3rd biggest party the NDP)

its the policies, at least, should be.

Gypsy... :( (-ve lol)

Brit - Its politics... and it is shait dirty in all parts of the world....

The country which claims to be exception... their even right of free speech is thrashed under the Political mafia and corruption... lol

Like one Bush doesn mean the whole of America is Dumb.... :)

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Its not the party, its the policies ......Isn't it ???

CBD = Full time west basher. Most of it is complete nonsense and generally proves how little he/she/it knows about the west specifically and the world in general!!

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You're asking a hard thing of me Ashwin. My family have been avid Liberals for generations. I find it very difficult to even think of supporting the Conservatives!

Lusitano & MMYKE - actually all except for CBD and Gypsy -

This is not for the first time...

This would be yet another Gypsy vs CBD thread....

Last time I had seen them in the ring was on some women in east better than west forum of CBD...

Expecting similar cracker work here too.... :)

Ya ya.. I actually read both of your essays.....

Untill the last para it was worth a read...

I want this one to cont good..

so preferably.. No personal attacks ... and

Gypsy.. don give up soon...

for a sec presume you are supporting conservatives.. and give this CBD a little tough time... lol...

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Linda Keen was fired because she advocated keeping the plant shut in 2008, not because she made the decision, she had no authority to make such a decision. http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2008/01/16/keen-firing.html

It most defintely had nothing to do with an election or a push for an election! As an election wouldn't be in the best interests of the Governing party since there's all liklihood they would loose. And neither party wants one right now cause we had one two years ago and it would cost the tax payers too much money.

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/article/651946

This is a tricky issue, because this reactor provides isotopes for the vast majority of the world, and it's getting old (I wasn't aware that the West could control time and space and stop things from ageing) and to shut it down in 2008 would have meant a complete halt to isotope creation and a severe shortage for the world. So the government, after much recommendation from other Nuclear commissions world wide decide to keep it running and fix problems as they occur. Right now this looks like it might have been the wrong decision. If so, I'm sure that the investigation into the actions taken by the government will reveal that and certain people will be held accountable.

But again, there was no cover-up. This issue has been on-going for awhile. If anything it's the media who have been ignoring it, not the government. Probably because stories about fixing water coolers wasn't "sexy" enough.

The Canadian government has no control over the media, so I don't see how people being unaware of the situation, or people not caring enough was there fault.

As for the E-Health Minister being fired, well it looks like he was involved in a "cover-up" of $80,000 in his previous job with Ms. Raitt. Yup I figure they will both be fired. Justice is served.

The Opposition is calling for the dismissal of the Finance Minster because that is what the Opposition does. IT's the whole point of having an Opposition party! At one point or another they call for EVERYONE in the governing party to be fired! That's the beauty of the system, the Governing party has to be careful because they have the Opposition watching them like hawks, waiting for them to slip up so they can use it to their advantage. Budget deficeits, especially during an World Wide economic crisis is normal too.

Sadly, what you are trying to bring off as a huge poltical crisis, is just more boring, everyday Canadian politics. It's a crisis to the cancer paitients yes, but it's being addressed.

Sorry CBD put your understanding of politics is minimal at best, which isn't suprising because you aren't even allowed to vote for your leader, therefore you can hardly understand the nuances of party politics.

As for my being conditioned. I'm an avid supporter of the Liberal party, so I don't like to give the Conservatives credit for anything!

you do not have the slightest idea about what you are talking about....

Gypsy,

I was referring to the cyber PhD’s, who seem to know everything about countries, which they have never lived in, through the eyes of tabloids, soap operas and other unofficial similiar sources.

Ashwin..

Please note that i am using this case as an indicator to how bad thie canadian government is...

The isotopes are important to canadians who have this cancer disease and shutting down the nuclear plan will cause a short of supply..

Linda Keane who heads some Canadian committee, took a decision to shut down the plant for safety reasons. Linda was fired by the government which wanted to contain the issue and reoperated the plant to therefore increase thier chances in the next election! again, personal gain over Canadian people! a plan for an early election was also suspected!

Not only that, Olivia Chow, accused the transport minister of covering up the alleged mismanagement of Miss (Lisa) Raitt, who is the former CEO of the port authority, and he did so by changing the constitution and interfering politically!

I will be amazed if this lady is not fired after all of this! rest at:

http://www.canada.com/Business/Baird+covered+beleaguered+Lisa+Raitt/1675611/story.html

Lisa left a secret file in a tv station (she seems to love shows!) which details a plan and cost of repairng the nuclear plant which has cost Canada billions. This is due to its need and fear of leaks! the plant is on and off!

Guess what, the numbers in the file and the published numbers, in another or the same show not sure, did not match!

Not only that, the head of E-health is fired over some spending scandal:

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2009/06/07/ehealth-kramer.html

Minister of Finance Jim Flaherty stated that govt will face over 50 billion shortage in budget after stating earlier that budget won't be affected by global economy crisis.

I guess the sexy issue changed his views by a margin of 50 billion!

Opposition asks PM to fire the finance minister!

http://www.cbc.ca/money/story/2009/05/27/finance-deficit-flaherty050.html

what more can I say to prove the low quality of the Canadian government!

Gypsy..

don't accuse people of lieing just because you know them in person!

Remember that you are a liar too! never forget that please!

The prove that you are set and conditioned, you see politicians thinking of personal gain on expense of objectives as a normal thing! just because most of politicians act this way! not mentioning tricks they use to win elections and all the rest of it!

This is a great deficiency on the western style democracy/ruling systems because it cannot deal with such a dilemma!

Think outside the box please!

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This is what I call sexy!

Are you referring to CBD or the political aide?

ignorance at its best!

but not with Julie... :)

...and who doesn't, I might add!!

Don't tell me that you used to swim with the Polar Bears too !

so am I....

interesting...

Off the record conversation with an aide is nothing earth shattering - No sex involved..

Let's move on..

ROFLMAO!!!!! Are you serious?!? Did you actually read this article?? The only thing newsworthy about it is that it's a Cabinit Aid gossiping and being stupid and loosing her tape recorder and then not picking it up!

This is one member, and a junior member at that, of the Canadian government, who yes, see's that she can make political and professional gains from this case. I'd wonder at a poltician who wouldn't think that.

As for the case being "sexy" well, it's managed to find it's way on to Qatar Living, so I guess it is. :P

Also this isn't a case of fraud or scandal. There is no fraud or scandal at all. The Heavy water leaked. We lost isotopes, so we're short on isotopes to detect cancer for a little while. No one tried to cover it up, no one lied. Frankly the case has been handled incredibly well.

As for paying for lawyers, it was Raitt that paid, not the assistant and she makes $120,000 a year. So she can easily afford a lawyer. Also the political parties would have lawyers on retainer so she probably didn't have to pay at all. There's nothing scandalous about that in the slightest.

THe only amazing thing that I find from the whole thing is that the Chronicle Herald claims to not have listened to the tape until several months after they found it! Having worked in the office and knowing the Managing-Editor personally I gurantee you that's a lie! :P

Hmm.. CBD are you always after this West is eating their own words thing ????

Firstly... the health minister cannot be responsible for err in nuclear plant.. and deficient supply of the isotope....

If the Isotope is available.. and not being used efficiently to cure the diseases.. She can be blamed...

But if its presence was so inevitable.... importing it was a wise decision... than calling something a heroic act (don know wht the resource minister did?? )

B T W.. looking forward for Gypsy's comments....

Being a Canadian... she knows many of these names and mus be knowing about the incidence too... :)

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