SALARY SCALE NOT FAIR

the salary scale in most schools in Qatar is not fair for Asian people.
western people are paid almost 4 times higher than asian
WHY?
what's the reason?
i have lots of asian friends who are qualified teachers and hardworking, but are paid less. UNFAIR
where is the law of equality?
Can you help me and explain further to my WHY?

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By mathboy• 25 Apr 2010 18:15

They are overcompensated already by their employers.

By anonymous• 25 Apr 2010 12:16

What about the poor westerners who have to pay more for World Cup tickets? Who compensates them when other nationalities can get the same tickets cheaper?

By arnel_67• 25 Apr 2010 09:52

well well its true

where in the world can you find justice and equality?

asians are just being used by these "rich" countries

By xplode• 25 Apr 2010 07:00

i am just wondering why would life style and cost of living be one of the reason for a western to be paid more?

asians would want to drive an H3 too with GPS, leather seats, 24" chromed mags and sick subwoofers on it, get a booze on weekend all night long and get hooked on a five star hotel, dine at fine steak restaus, watch a movie on 40" with his bluray player or pop up a new PS3 game, make a call on his iphone and send an email thru his macbook, spend a holiday on a beach and take pictures on his DSLR.

lets just accept the fact that life is usually judge by somebody's a** color and not by his qualification. unfortunately, mine was not white. lols. IMHO!!!

By anonymous• 23 Apr 2010 18:17

+1 on bunnyhug's comments.

By Bunnyhug• 23 Apr 2010 18:01

They always earn more. If a company wants a Yank for what ever reason, then they need to be persuaded to leave the 'good ole USA' (American drawl if you can) they have the good life over there, so whats the beef!!!

That goes to other nationalities that have it good back at 'home'.

However, if you come from a place of general poverty or where a job is hard to come by, then maybe you will be happy to accept a position of not much more than the going rate back home.

To whine out of jealousy once you get here and start comparing wages, life style etc. then you better look at your self instead of pointing the finger!!!!

By Bunnyhug• 23 Apr 2010 17:50

you are misinformed if you think Qatar is a safe place. be careful, do not believe the newspapers, not ALL is reported ................ for some reason:-)

Ignorance may be bliss, but lets be careful out there.

By Bunnyhug• 23 Apr 2010 17:48

you are all talk. Just stories, Troll me thinks!!! Back up your claims or butt out!!!

By anonymous• 15 Apr 2010 17:37

scudman firstly when did you hear me complaining, I just gave you the same advice that you were giving out to someone else, if you don't like something go back to your home country. Apparently you have a problem with whiners and losers in Qatar so get back to your home country.

Secondly just quitting this thread will not help you, these whiners and losers are living all over Qatar so you have to leave Qatar to get rid of the whiners.

Thirdly English only in the main forum, surely a winner, hard-worker, well educated man can understand the simple community guidelines or well maybe the guidelines are too complex for you to comprehend, I don't know.

Have a nice day!!!

By mathboy• 15 Apr 2010 17:19

scudman, why are you bothered with this forum anymore?

By scudman• 12 Apr 2010 20:09

le chevalier blanc, je suis bien où je suis, une chose que je ne peux pas accepter, c'est des gens comme vous qui se plaigne au sujet de combien les autres gagne.

Envy and jealousy will get you nowhere....Hard work may... if you can spell the word!!

There again, why am I bothered with this forum anymore??

Recently I see the posts had become saturated with mostly losers, time waster and most definitely full of layabouts.

This will be my last post.

Choa...

By marycatherine• 12 Apr 2010 18:58

don't accept less than what similarly qualified/experienced colleagues are getting. simple as that

By anonymous• 12 Apr 2010 18:51

scudman if you have a problem with people complaining here then do yourself a favour and go back to your own country where you won't have to hear or read anyone moaning.

By scudman• 12 Apr 2010 18:47

Yet, another example of skivers and time wasters pretending to do some work this country could do without.

Do yourself a great favour go back to your own country, then go moan about someone else's salary.

Polkadots if you have a problem I guess try to take it somewhere else, otherwise read par 1 again.

By anonymous• 11 Apr 2010 08:23

WOW Scudman, What a philosophical way of life, I can see another Bhuddha in the making!!!Just a thought, If all the pple were to follow your principals, especially in marriage then we would not even need the word DIVORCE , even in the dictonary?would we?

should look into the mirror every morning and ask themselves:

- "Am I looking at a responsible person?

Then before going to bed do the same, look deep into the mirror and ask:

- Did I do my job responsibly today?

Note: Lookup the word “RESPONSIBLE” for a full meaning, and be honest with yourself when answering..."

Lol, THIS TAKES THE CAKE!!!

By anonymous• 11 Apr 2010 08:16

Haze, don't hate, just congratulate...

By haze• 11 Apr 2010 07:59

Im not jealous with them they have to feel by themselves, even my salary is not the higher like them. Skin is skin. Some are professionals yes its true.

By haze• 11 Apr 2010 07:47

honestly, some of my co-workers they dont finish even high school but when they come here in qatar they are Managers (hahaha)

By greatgig• 4 Apr 2010 13:33

These days more Asian's are coming to Middle East in American,Canadian passports.

By irf77• 2 Apr 2010 11:46

yawn

ALLAH HU AKBAR - GOD IS GREAT

By irfanlatif• 1 Apr 2010 10:19

yes this right dont think about that because life for asian a like that no fair boss............

By arnel_67• 1 Apr 2010 09:54

for those who wrote good comments, thank you so much.

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" Aim high and hit the mark "

By scudman• 31 Mar 2010 18:28

I think everyone should try this little logical formula:

- Job offer = accept = work = be contented

- Job Offer = Reject = No work = look for another job

- Job Offer = Reject = NO WORK = ASK for more than you are worth = GREED = NO WORK.

In my experience I had accepted an offer which I was comfortable with which incidentally matches the same as my last job (in the UK tax free) even though I had the opportunity to get more through my influential insider in the company (what you call WASTA) but opted out because I think that’s what the job is worth.

Now if anyone complains about someone else’s salary then I guess they should look into the mirror every morning and ask themselves:

- Am I looking at a responsible person?

Then before going to bed do the same, look deep into the mirror and ask:

- Did I do my job responsibly today?

Note: Lookup the word “RESPONSIBLE” for a full meaning, and be honest with yourself when answering.

If the answer was yes then good for you, keep up the good work, you will get what you deserve shortly, however, if you answer NO to any of the above, then I suggest a reality check would be in order and fix it, otherwise stop being a burden on your colleagues and employer, do the sensible thing QUIT before you are forced to quit.

Someone mentioned “The grass is greener on the other side of the fence” in response “The grass is NEVER greener on the other side of the fence” believe me, I know, being there, done it and worn the T-Shirt.

By viniths• 29 Mar 2010 17:02

I was just searching in the QL as to whether such kind of discussions had been already in the light before posting a question as to why the disparity in the salaries and i could get a vivid glimpse of the feelings across the globe.

I work for a European company here in doha and I know that my peers who are from europe are getting about 4 times what i get. Work load!! well ...may be it even out...anyways...As somebody told above , its all a general mind set lingering around the globe which dervies basically from the phenomenon of "developed , developing & underdeveloped" system of countries in the world.

Its generally a mind set among the peoples and cultures. If instead of britain or france going out for colonising countries , India(pakistan included) or china would have gone to conquer the world the situation must have been different. Then some of the western counterparts would have been posting the query of imbalanced salary patterns (no offence).

Now the world is emerging into a different philosophy. More over after the recession the world in general is going in for a more productive, oriented track where the considerations are given to the capabilities instead of the gender, colour or the language.

In genral the western expats are not to be blamed for this, theya re here just as the eastern counterparts. for earning. its the mind set of the people which has to change. Cost of living in western countries are more . just the taxation itself is huge. And if the employer indeed wants a western hand inside his organisation he has to get him or her at their price. This is applicable to the eastern counterparts too. I am not sure how many countries tax the non-residents for their income abroad. I've heard germany taxes around 42%. I am not sure. Correct me if I am wrong. So if this is the case then definitly the persons coming from those countries should be paid higher. If India starts taxing the income from abroad i would definitly not come for the salary I am on now. So if the company really needs me I will negotiate.

But there are instances some of the westerners take undue advantage of the status of their origin and take privilege which eventually becomes the employers risk. Like somebody referred above carpenter turned director ;).

Once back in Oman , when i went for a client meeting I saw an Omani politely asking a friend of mine ( who happened to be from UK) to be seated and didnt even care to even wish me. But later on ,the same Omani eventually became a very good friend of mine and once I asked him the question as to why he did that thing in the meeting. He simply replied " Its a mind set". :)..see its just a mind set.

By sabrang kidul• 27 Mar 2010 22:52

Be careful Omershah.

Someone may dare you to prove that 'westerner spend all their earning on entertainment and food' and you'll end up divulging confidential information and resulting in a one way ticket home or worse.

By Glenfiddich• 27 Mar 2010 22:34

Apologies if my previous post sounded like "showing off" or if the "tone" was not in line with the rest of the "sensible" posts on this thread.

My comment started with a genuine query; but I couldn't help myself "show-off" as I found some of the comments early in this thread quite offensive.

I agree that it was improper to generalize "the west" as I did. I am sorry for that.

To clarify; my post was not intended to portray that "asians are taking over".

It is just to guide the readers of this thread to not make assumptions about standards of living and lifestyles in countries that they know little about.

Regarding my original query I think another thread maybe more suitable than hijacking this one ;)

Cheers

Glenfiddich

By novita77• 27 Mar 2010 22:03

omershah, I rather concern he bragging on about seeing people's bank statement. Who is he working for ?

By anonymous• 27 Mar 2010 21:12

OK for those that unhappy you have only two options (moaning on QL is not one)

1. Don't accept the offer or go home if you already have

2. Petition the Qatari govnt to enact equality legislation in terms of equal pay not based on race, gender or nationality

By Alumnar• 27 Mar 2010 20:37

Quote: ' i see bank statements of more than 100 ppl evry day and i gt to know the natures and spendings of pplz frm every region'

You better keep the information to yourself. I am sure you signed a confidentiality agreement. Just by this post you could be on the next plane home!!!

By anonymous• 27 Mar 2010 19:17

It's pointless what you say as we all have to go home eventually. So you save your money and you go home. (if you don't save that's your problem)

the fact is a lot of Asians get paid 5 to 10 times what they would get back home. Ask any westerner how happy they would be if they could get the same multiplier.

By omershah• 27 Mar 2010 14:10

y u r taking the matter away of the main point???

i am really not concerned with wht the living standards and cost of living r back home bcuz am living here...

or even if u wanna do so lemme explain sm thing

first of all the westners are not living the life style thy used to live bck home... as thy were living like normal ppls ova there..

we asians are used to send money back home after all our spendings over here bcuz evn if our families r here we send it to support our relatives or parents..

while 90% of the westners spend all their earning over here on entertainment and food and bla bla... if u wanna argue at this point so i can prove it as i see bank statements of more than 100 ppl evry day and i gt to know the natures and spendings of pplz frm every region.;..

so there is no point comparing the cost of living as if u keep tht point in so asians shud be paid more... if an asian can live a normal life so a westner can also do so.. and thy can but thy live the life wht thy r living right now bcuz thy are gvn tht much.. if thy were also given the same as asians are so thy wud hv been living the same as we r and still thy wud hv been happy.... :)

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By aslambhaai• 27 Mar 2010 13:47

Roberto, I think its not about moaning. Its all about making an effort to be heard. Whatever justification the happy folk may have but the unfortunate lot has legitimate reason for what they claim. Well, do they loose anything by moaning. Let it fall on dumb ears, who cares? Some people are comfortable with all they need like housing,transport,health,schooling, vaction, airfare and what not while others with equal qualification or may be more are struggling for basic needs with a flat salary offer jsut because of ending up on a wrong side. There are foreign and local contracts as if some expats are locals here,etc. Discrimination is not just nationality specific but also it is organization specific. I know two similarly qualified guys working for a ministry of whom one could make it to QP. There is a Hell lot of difference between their life styles. But then who cares....

Cheers..!

By anonymous• 27 Mar 2010 13:19

OK make your home country richer with a higher standard of living for all like japan and Korea has managed to do and then they will have to pay more to entice you to come. Don't blame the gulf for the Market forces at work. When you go to buy something yourself you want something of sufficent quality at the best price. That's just what they do when recruiting but boy do you guys moan after ACCEPTING the offer.

Dancing. Point 4. You got to be joking unless you come from a ghighly polluted area

By omershah• 27 Mar 2010 12:22

open up ur mind bro... look at the point ...

how would you justify a thing tht a person having same qualification same experience and same atitude evn after 7 years would get 15x to his previous pay??

am not complaining niether am so attracted by american passpost.. i just making up a point to clear up the minds of the westeners and some passport holders of those countries who think tht thy r more better thts y thy r getting this much...

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but that i heard never ...!

once i did bad

and that i heard ever ...!********

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By dancing12• 27 Mar 2010 12:16

Rating: 5/5

We all went far away from the real reason why all of us living in Qatar:

1- Safe is more important than Save.

2- You can afford a Family life here without saving but in good & comfortable standards.

3- Tax Free is meaning so much.

4- Weather is Clean no pollutions.

5- Traffic is nice.

6- you can have your own car (whatever the type)it is still your own.

7- you can have many friends from deferent nationality.

8- the attitude of the Qatari are friendly.

9- If you need to Sacrifice something in life to get other then this is your own choice not anyone else.

after all this is my personal opinion it might suits me but not you.

By anonymous• 27 Mar 2010 12:16

They should allow workers' union here.

By anonymous• 27 Mar 2010 12:13

There is your answer, its not a race issue just get yourself an American passport!

By omershah• 27 Mar 2010 11:28

i was going through and through and through and.......

but got too much to read out and finally quit :(

just the thing i came to know is that QL has became a racist place....

white n black, blue n brown and bla bla bla

i had this topic pomping around me for quite sm tym...

i wud like to talk practical...

a british guy working for some construction company in britain as an assistant manager customer relation was kicked out bcuz thy thought he was not compatible enough and then he applied in a very big company in QATAR and got the job of BUISNESS STRATEGY DEVELOPMENT MANAGER... :p

only bcuz he was a british..... and under him ppl r working with 5x better qualification and experience and thy are paid -3x to his salary...

so just go around and have a look at whts hapening out in market.. 95 % of westeners are paid for their passport and colour...

my own friend is an example if u want to knw wht he got 7 years ago and wht he get now after an american passport... its 15x his previous salary.. coz he have an american passport now :)

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****twice i did good ..

but that i heard never ...!

once i did bad

and that i heard ever ...!********

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ALL IZZZ WELL

By sabrang kidul• 27 Mar 2010 09:25

This thread is still alive....?

If you like it, TAKE IT

If you don't, LEAVE IT

If you have no other option, BEAR IT

By monument• 27 Mar 2010 01:06

That is the way it is in this country, if you don't like it then don't take the job and don't complain when someone else is getting paid higher than you! Take it or leave it.

"I'd love to change the world, but I can't find a big enough diaper"

By anonymous• 27 Mar 2010 00:10

oryx..its just misunderstanding my dear :)

u cancheck my posts ..am peace loving person..

cheers

By Oryx• 26 Mar 2010 22:04

Who is FH?

And why does she want to sabotage threads????

is it Attention Seeking Behaviour ????

Companies offer the salary - employees take it or not

supply and demand

and actually in the west and some companies here you get paid on an even salary scale

I work with people from Mauritania, Ethiopia, India, Iraq, Lebanon, Turkey etc - we all get paid the same

Its my problem that my education cost more and my home country housing costs more....!

By aslambhaai• 26 Mar 2010 21:47

Life is not fair. You cann't do anything here. The employers are programmed to treat people in a standard way. They have set their own standards for different nationalities. They are least bothered about the contribution of the employee. His value is insignificant. This is true in Government sector. Even in Government there are different scalles for same service. Just learn to live with it because you have made the choice...

By mali01• 26 Mar 2010 21:47

You ruined this discussion like many others.

I am here for comment on this topic. Employers decide how much to give salary to prospective employees. employees have option to take or decline the offer. Western people have no fault for getting higher salaries.

By anonymous• 26 Mar 2010 20:17

Mali ..share your views about salary scale over this thread..

cheers..:)

By mali01• 26 Mar 2010 20:11

You are MOST welcome but i am not your sister :-))))))

By anonymous• 26 Mar 2010 20:08

Thank You mY Great Mali Sister.. :)))

By mali01• 26 Mar 2010 19:53

lolzzz good for you.keep it up

By anonymous• 26 Mar 2010 19:46

Really :(

FH is crying ......sniff sniff....!!!!

By anonymous• 26 Mar 2010 15:29

Anyways..carry on..:)

Cheers..!!!

i wont comment Mathboy.You carry on your discussion .dont worry..!!!!

By anonymous• 26 Mar 2010 15:24

novita...i should not wonder how stupid people do lie so easily without knowing the truth..

MB is one of them..

By mathboy• 26 Mar 2010 13:46

It is amusing but a little sad too seeing grown-ups doing such childish things.

By novita77• 26 Mar 2010 13:04

I find it very amusing when people starting sending out 'threatening' PM's to each other because they are not agreeing on things on the internet forum ...

By anonymous• 26 Mar 2010 12:06

MB..you dont own this site..its better for u not to comment on me..

By arnel_67• 26 Mar 2010 10:32

oh oh oh

thank you for all your good and bad comments

i think this site is for sharing good insights and for helping people who are in doubt but NOT INSULTING others opinion.

enjoy a sunny and hotty weekend

By mathboy• 26 Mar 2010 07:54

WK, I too did not like the tone and the way Glenfiddich put his comments. I can conclude what he meant is that 'Asians are taking over'.

FH, you are still a kid so stay away from such topics.

By anonymous• 25 Mar 2010 22:39

Stop comparing yourself with other people..you will never be happy in this way..Thanx to God atleast you got some work to support you and your family..!!!

By anonymous• 25 Mar 2010 21:59

Glenfiddich your post made no sense to me at all as to how is this related to this thread. Are you showing off or are you asking whether your salary is enough or are you telling us from where to buy electronics or what?????

P.S.- Please let me know how this was related to the matter discussed in the thread.

By anonymous• 25 Mar 2010 21:55

Why dies the west need to wake up? There is no such discrimination on salaries paid in the west as there is in the gulf or are you just one of those people that blames the west for all your problems?

By anonymous• 25 Mar 2010 21:35

Why dies the west need to wake up? There is no such discrimination on salaries paid in the west as there is in the gulf or are you just one of those people that blames the west for all your problems?

By Glenfiddich• 25 Mar 2010 21:20

Hi Guys.

I have around 8 years of IT experience and currently at a position of a Program Manager.

I have an offer of QAR40,000 per month (all-inclusive) from my current Indian company who has a base in Qatar. My current pay in India is exactly half that (before tax). Is that a good pay for an Indian?

My confusion is that; I know I can get an almost similar paying job in India if I am willing to switch companies. But I really like my job and company.

The tax-free status is VERY tempting though. My friends in private banks earn around that much already in India. But tax is eating a major chunk out of it.

I think the West needs to wake up. We may still not command as much as they do; but we are slowly getting there ;)

Next year we are expected to grow 9%; so go figure!!!

Thanks

Glenfiddich (Bangalore)

PS: Last month I had gone twice to the US. I did some major shopping for electronic and other goods as it is so bloody cheap there. There was a time when my US relatives would come to Dubai/India to buy stuff. How times have changed?!!!!

By deepb• 22 Mar 2010 07:28

Good point mary. Why blame the westerners for accepting the higher pay packages? On the other hand we Asians are to blame as much, if not more than the racist employers, for accepting these lower packages.

By marycatherine• 21 Mar 2010 18:52

I think a more pertinent question is why employers are willing to pay 3x - 4 x more for the Westerner? Is it qualifications? Is it experience? Is it the work ethic? Is it racism? So who is at "fault" here, the employers for paying more for "blond haired blue eyed" employees"? The Western expats for taking the higher pay packages? or the Asians for accepting less for similar experience and qualifications?

Signature line > "You can't fix stupid"

By mathboy• 21 Mar 2010 18:46

Asians are replacing you everywhere even in your own countries at all levels!

By anonymous• 21 Mar 2010 18:38

It's ok if you don't want the job we will put an advert in newspapers in India and we can replace the moaning Asians with others. When they also complain we will replace them.....

By mathboy• 21 Mar 2010 18:31

I too would hate to have somebody like that working for me. Will never trust such people who can't buy a thing for a right price! It is character and judgment (poor one). Every Westerners is being ripped off every time he goes to shopping! Where the problem lies.. with Westerners or Asian shopkeepers?

Alumnar, I have a writing table which I want to sell for QR.20,000! I don't mind if you pay QR10,000 or QAR.20,000 more!

By mathboy• 21 Mar 2010 18:26

vnelt12, This is one of the reasons why they should be paid more, they think.

By mathboy• 21 Mar 2010 18:24

In that case you have to look up 'rip off' in the dictionary! Following your logic, cheaters should be hired so that they can be paid less! wow...

You guys 'rip off' your Asian employers who are so innocent to believe that you are professional, qualified and experienced..

By Alumnar• 21 Mar 2010 17:59

... who is ripping the other person off. And I would hate to have somebody like that working for me - I would sure not trust them!

By vnelt12• 21 Mar 2010 17:53

what the hell..... It doesn't mean that westerners should be paid more bcz they are being ripped off.... by some supermarket guy... hahaha... this thread is taking us nowhere

By Alumnar• 21 Mar 2010 17:42

If they act like that when they see a westerner, how is anybody supposed to trust them? And there we go again that westerners are hugely overpaid... I thought we all agreed to disagree on that one? Or disagreed to agree? Whatever...!

By anonymous• 21 Mar 2010 17:35

It's seems you get what you deserve. You rip people off so you prove you cannot be trusted in positions of responsibilty hence you get paid less.

By mathboy• 21 Mar 2010 17:29

I completely agree with you Alumnar. We should not pay the home fee.. likewise if Asian shopkeepers charge more to the Westerners who are hugely overpaid.. what's wrong? They don't rip you off.. you are left with the choice not to buy if you think it is not reasonably priced.

By Alumnar• 21 Mar 2010 17:23

... why should you pay homefee if you are not British? Same for us, we pay international fees everywhere in the World! Why should the British Taxpayer subsidize your fees to attend a British University? They have enough British who need that help. THAT is why it is one of the best organized and richest country in the World.

By mathboy• 21 Mar 2010 17:19

robertothebrave, There are many things that Asians have to learn and there are many things that Westerners have to learn. We both are learning.. however, the difference is that we are learning faster.

By mathboy• 21 Mar 2010 17:17

nomerci, Westerners are ripped off by Asian shopkeepers as we are ripped off at Western universities where they pay home fee and we pay 'international' fee...

By Alumnar• 21 Mar 2010 16:50

... that was exactly my point! I feel for those who are in very bad conditions (see FriedUnicorn's current HOT topic) but not for those who have time to come and moan about unfairness on QL.

By vnelt12• 21 Mar 2010 16:46

You people are doing great. Keep it up... Leave ur jobs if u r not satisfied with it.. So that I can apply and get one…. Hahaha.. don’ t take it serious… If u want to progress & want to earn more… become a positive thinker.. U definitely will see the result… .

By anonymous• 21 Mar 2010 16:23

This topic comes back again and again. The whinning Asians blame the rest of the world for their problems. The japanese are Asians and their country was totally destroyed at theend of the second world war but look at them now. They won't come for the rubbish money most asians get paid. They didn't complain about their problems they got off their arse and fixed them. Ditto the south Koreans and now the Chinese.

Moaning Asians learn from your brothers

By anonymous• 21 Mar 2010 16:17

I have seen westerners paying 50 $ for something in India which I used to buy for 50 Rs :P

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By Bob1• 21 Mar 2010 16:16

When the Euros have taught everybody her the job they get the shove and the lower paid person keeps their job.

Thats why the wages are so hogh in 1st place they are only for a limited time.

By nomerci• 21 Mar 2010 16:14

Go to Asia as a Westerner. They will try to rip you off at every corner. Simple fact.

What comes around, goes around....

By Alumnar• 21 Mar 2010 15:54

... which are poor and many times corrupt too. I lived in the Philippines (province) for 2 years - do you think I got treated like a Philippino or paid the same prices which you pay for your shopping? Only in supermarkets! They didn't want to give me a driving license - they wanted me to pay a certain amount every month for using my motorbike without a license! The only place I ever paid the same as you do was in supermarkets with fixed pricing!

Is that FAIR???

By huff2u• 21 Mar 2010 15:35

We are not created EQUAL !!!

LIFE is unfair !!!

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By huff2u• 21 Mar 2010 15:31

this thread is FUNNY!!!!

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By Alumnar• 21 Mar 2010 15:23

It is the mentality of the whole of the Middle East, not just the ones in high posts. This is the only place where I look at many people and the only word that crosses my mind is 'slavery'... and I am sure most of you will agree with that. Sad but true.

By deepb• 21 Mar 2010 15:14

Unfortunately, Alumnar that is the opinion of majority of the Qatari's in high posts.

By arnel_67• 21 Mar 2010 15:14

everybody can do better and we will start it in our work area

By Alumnar• 21 Mar 2010 15:07

I do not agree with it but it is how most people see it. You have to make decisions which are vital in certain jobs and where black is black and white is white. This is how the world works and we can't change it - unfortunately.

By deepb• 21 Mar 2010 14:59

So you mean to say Asians are bend-overs and Westerners are firm in their standing. Ok point noted Alumnar.

By Alumnar• 21 Mar 2010 14:56

If the job involves standing your ground in meetings and dealing a lot with other people in charge or clients I would definitely pick the person with the most expensive package.

By fanonite• 21 Mar 2010 13:10

"The more I see of the world the more am I dissatisfied with it." Jane Austen.

By deepb• 21 Mar 2010 13:03

Sigh, my hypothetical question remains unanswered :P

By mathboy• 21 Mar 2010 13:01

fanonite, I like the terms.. real Caucasians and fake Caucasians. What you said is completely true about the fake ones.. They pretend to be what they are not and get caught so easily..

By Alumnar• 20 Mar 2010 19:25

You hit the nail on the head with this comment:

'Finally, I hate to say this but a western manager does give a better impression that an Asian does, not that the Asian is any less, but this is the way it is, bash me for this statement but this is the way it is in the real world.'

You are absolutely right. Dealing with the arab world, a westerns' opinion is more respected than an asians' opinion. When it comes to decisions and confrontation, a westerner stands his ground and does not let himself be intimidated when arguing his point with somebody else - SPECIALLY when he knows he is right.

Don't misunderstand me - I personally think this 'discrimination' is wrong - but this is how it works in the Middle East.

By abelle• 20 Mar 2010 19:15

dont think too much of money,the important is u have stable job,average salary and happy to ur work,,,then if u have all that,NOTHING to ask and compare,every nationality have different different cost of living,moreover, sometimes the more ur wages the more ur expenses!so dont worry....have fun,,,enjoy life cuz we have only one life...wink;-)

friends only!!!

abelle

By anonymous• 20 Mar 2010 19:06

As per Wikipedia

ASIAN:

A person who originates from the Indian subcontinent, sometimes including East and Southeast Asia;

A person who originates from the Indian subcontinent, East and Southeast Asia, sometimes excluding the Indian Subcontinent

By anonymous• 20 Mar 2010 19:01

About that whole Asian, Western thing. Generally speaking when people refer to Asian in this conversation, they are referring to east/south-east Asia. While Lebanon is in Asia, in this conversation it would be rather referred to as Middle-Eastern. It is to the farthest west of Asia. Another thing to point out that Lebanese would not come to Qatar for anything less than 1500USD + all other things covered. As it would not make any sense to come for anything else, a Lebanese would rather stay at home. This can't be said for those poor Asian workers who live in sub-human conditions.

By fanonite• 20 Mar 2010 18:42

"The more I see of the world the more am I dissatisfied with it." Jane Austen.

By arnel_67• 20 Mar 2010 18:14

okey

what is the starting salary of a westerner and an asian?

can you give me the salary range/scale?

By fanonite• 20 Mar 2010 18:06

thanks for your compliments Arnel-67

my friend was interviewed and told about the salary range(she is not asian so she will get the western package) but she hasn't received any job offer yet.

"The more I see of the world the more am I dissatisfied with it." Jane Austen.

By arnel_67• 20 Mar 2010 17:59

reading your comments makes me think that you are an intellectual woman

you share your knowledge and experiences to people who are in doubt

thanks for that

i just want to know how much salary was offered to your friend for that teaching job

By fanonite• 20 Mar 2010 17:49

coined the words real caucasians and fake caucasians for some "weterner wanna bes" here in qatar.

genrally fake caucasians are rude and obnoxious and their lack of englishability spills the beans.

"The more I see of the world the more am I dissatisfied with it." Jane Austen.

By mathboy• 20 Mar 2010 17:39

Yes, it was stated that Lebanon is in Asia but Lebanese are not Asians. I think it is quite possible.. For example your live in Qatar which is in Asia but you are not Asian and so am I! If we can't comprehend this 'phenomenon', the problem lies with us..

By deepb• 20 Mar 2010 17:34

Hypothetical question -

You own a business. You are recruiting an employee. Candidate A is equally qualified as Candidate B. Candidate A is an Asian and demands a salary of QR 10,000. Candidate B is a Westerner and demands a salary of QR 25,000. Which one would you recruit ?

By Khawaga• 20 Mar 2010 17:24

Actually, I believe it was stated that Lebanon is in Asia. Not sure I understood the underlying point about "I'm not Western, I'm not Asian" but the geography was corrected.

By mathboy• 20 Mar 2010 17:20

This is a great place for enhancing one's general knowledge. All my life I thought Lebanese were Asians.. Today I learned they are not!

By mathboy• 20 Mar 2010 17:17

AbuAmerican, So you won't go back!

By Khawaga• 20 Mar 2010 17:13

Alinux, as it turns out, the issue was not as much a pride issue as a marketing issue. Japanese people talking to Japanese people did a lot better than Westerners (not just Americans) talking to Japanese people. Ironically, a foothold in the Japan market helped open China and other countries in the region without forcing us to open new branches and hire new staff. Just one of those things.

That said, I would love to see a company or an industry that was entirely, or mostly, comprised of Gulf employees and Gulf management. I would like the opportunity to market our company in such an environment given the cultural differences. As it stands now, most of the local nationals with marketable work experience got said experience working and studying in the West. So it's almost like marketing in the US or in Europe. I would love to see Qataris and Emiratis and Saudis really reclaim their culture and stop trying to be so Western all the time!

By anonymous• 20 Mar 2010 17:04

Khawaga, you are totally right, Japanese are proud people and they are highly qualified and they can easily have had an CEO of their own, a thing that can hardly be said for the Gulf. In btw, dont for got that the US nuked Japan :D

By Khawaga• 20 Mar 2010 17:00

alinux: at the risk of belaboring the subject, I think it depends on the industry and the target market. I worked for a semiconductor company in Silicon Valley for many years that just wasn't getting much play in the East Asian market. We finally developed an Asia branch in Tokyo with Japanese management and suddenly the East opened up. The fact that there was an American as the CEO did not impress the market at all.

By anonymous• 20 Mar 2010 16:49

I strongly believe that this whole conversation is baseless, I am not Asian and I am not Western, I am from Lebanon "Well it is in Asia..but you got the point :)".

I used to make 2000USD back at home "Upper middle layer salary", from that money I used to pay the rent, my car payments, my nights out and everything else. When I came to Qatar I negotiated out a deal that allows me to at least put away 2000USD, I.e. here I am putting away whatever amount of money I was making back home. To me this is a fair deal. Now we can't kid ourselves and compare Asian salaries to Western salaries. Standards of living in the west are diff. and the closest to that in Qatar are those expensive closed compounds, and if they dont make enough money to make it worthwhile living in a "lower" standards living lifestyle why would they come here. Now if we compare Qatar to most Asian countries, Qatar is better than those countries, and it is paying Asian's much more than they would be getting at their home countries. Having said that, "a lot" but not all Asians are simply here to do the jobs no one else would do, and to be honest it is about character as well, most Westerners are open minded and well disciplined with regards to work. Finally, I hate to say this but a western manager does give a better impression that an Asian does, not that the Asian is any less, but this is the way it is, bash me for this statement but this is the way it is in the real world.

And it all comes down to one thing, you are back at home you get an offer , you like it take it, you dont like it ...stay at home and wait for a better offer.

By mathboy• 20 Mar 2010 15:51

sabrang kidul, You certainly missed one thing.. guess what.. his avatar!

Sometimes the only way to make people understand is to become direct.

By mathboy• 20 Mar 2010 15:44

tatess, Wrong answer! I failed in your test!

By Arien• 20 Mar 2010 15:23

Alumnar no wonder they sound exactly like westerners now.

By Alumnar• 20 Mar 2010 15:21

... so I would think that should be good enough :) ;)

It's all about where your passport states you come from - like it or not. That's the way life is. Everybody can scream fair or unfair, nothing will change.

By Arien• 20 Mar 2010 15:15

will an asian get a westerners salary , If she gets married to one? ;)

By Alumnar• 20 Mar 2010 15:12

... take somebody in any country you care to mention. Explain to them that by being an expat they will make (for argument sake) 25% more than they do back home. Simple. That's what we do, that's what my Indian colleague does, that's what my Philippino colleague does. Where is the difference?

If you want to talk about racism, I know a Vietnamese guy who is based in America working here on an American Salary. Is that racism? It is about where you are from.

Would it be fair if somebody from India / Philippines would come here and take the same salary as I do? Where is my oportunity to get the percentage more? I would get 25% more than back home and they would get 250% more!

By sabrang kidul• 20 Mar 2010 13:52

Mathboy, your quote:

"sabrang kidul, I think you have not read his all comments on this thread. "

Today being a slow weekend, I somehow managed to read all 200 (and counting) comments on this thread.

And Mathboy I have to say that in your exchange with AbuAmerican, I think you are the one acting as the agressor.

No, I'm not picking a fight, merely voice my opinion.....

Havaniceweekend

By charijimaster• 20 Mar 2010 13:46

hai u guys,

Our materialistic existence is according to our karma only.(past life's thoughts and action) nothing can be changed, a person who, he less skills ,less knowledge can gaining more money.so it is his karma, i f i am getting less maens, it my own karma.

examples are several.. in our world like bilgates,laxmimittal may have less than me in everything , except money.

so, this is god's play. we have to be patience and perseverance an be LOVE for others.that is the only way to keep our lives happy without comparing each other.

By tatess• 20 Mar 2010 13:23

mathboy ,wrong answer.

they will not work here anymore and sign a contract for a lower salary than what they will get in their home country.

You haven't been to the US ,I guess.Check these westerners ,even some of the lowly paid citizen can afford an expensive car and a house same size ,more modern than the flats or villa here. And that is also one reason why attractive benefits like nice flats/villas,transport allowance/cars are included in their contract.

So why else do they work for here if they will just get kubos instead of steak.

okay ,enough for this discussion I already said my piece and do my chores.

good day everyone!

By arnel_67• 20 Mar 2010 13:12

i just feel sorry when i hear and see asian people working hard but earned less

i have many friends who are asian and they are the best of friends ever

this topic will always be discussed because it is taken for granted and not solved by people concerned

By mathboy• 20 Mar 2010 12:50

tatess, You asked "what do you think if they will just earn between QR 3,500 to QR 10,000 only just like asians?"

They would start living in smaller house (which they are more used to) and drive inexpensive cars, will not have club memberships, drink less wine and live exactly as they live back home.

By tatess• 20 Mar 2010 12:48

westerners are hugely paid??? ok,if that is what you think.I dont want to argue with you on that.

I am asian and my husband is American.He earns in dollars and yet we don't have that kind of life style you were talking about here.

We have lots of payments back home in the US,3 teenage boys ,1 in college and 2 in high school.

we have grade 5 student and a baby here in doha.

So what is with the life style ,it just happened that westerners way of life is not the same as asians thus makes you think that Qatar is in favor of them when it comes to salary ranges.

these westerners earn big salary but that is only according to their cost of living in their country.

what do you think if they will just earn between QR 3,500 to QR 10,000 only just like Asians?

By anonymous• 20 Mar 2010 12:45

Mathboy,I'm Asian and I'm happy with my salary.

About your argue...I'm not sure if your are Asian or What..the only this is..in any country,even is Asia,they prepared to use the following:

For Construction:

British Standard or American Standard..

For Management:

PMI (American) Prince2 ( UK ).

I hope this information will help.

There is no Philippines , China, Malaysian, Japan etc etc. Standard aside from the American & British being applied by the organization.( Globally).

By anonymous• 20 Mar 2010 12:41

These guys will probably complain about their wives, too. Why did they marry them?

By tatess• 20 Mar 2010 12:34

were saying don't accept the job if you think that you are not fairly paid for by a company.

In the first palce ,we all know that we accept the jobs we are presently working right now because of the salary offer.

So why whining about it now?

By mathboy• 20 Mar 2010 12:33

Why don't you go back home and help people understand the religion better since you are a 'motawa'!

By cocosmart• 20 Mar 2010 12:26

You god paid higher because you are qualify. That good. The issue is that people with same qualification, from the same university and smilar experiences are paid not equal, because of the difference on nationality...... Some one will try to convince me that the cost of life in their different home country is not equal..... That's also right, but that was not taken into account at the time of the education fees........ Let's just stop being unfair....2010

By Mr.Nice• 20 Mar 2010 12:17

My Dear, World has been divided in to 2 - Savers and Spendors. Ironically the countries with 'Costly Life style' are doing that on 'Borrowed Money' from the Countries with 'Lower Life-style'. Most of these High Life style countries are on the verge of Bankruptcy / collapse. The only Question is - When? Yet...YET..YET those from these countries are braging about 'Life Style'. It was high time they changed it and adopted a lower Life style...at least for their countries' sake...for their future generations' sake. Are you aware that your governments' have even mortgaged your future Generations. Please come out of the bubble. The world is changing...You are still sleeping.

By mathboy• 20 Mar 2010 12:17

AbuAmerican, I don't know anything about you. However, your posts did not give me a slightest clue that you are a good Muslim.

By painther• 20 Mar 2010 12:15

perfectly put bunnyhug, agree with ur examples....only losers complain, criticise & condemn!!! (in my opinion)..

By Bunnyhug• 20 Mar 2010 12:10

I went to work for a big company (Foster Wheeler))overseas a long time ago. They offer me 4 x my home salary, nice accommodation, car, I am thinking this is a good deal. After some time I find White Americans same level (one even working for me)getting a better deal, more money than I am. But they tell me they only earning less than 2 x their home salary and I must be living like a king at home. He is right, in reality, I am better off. It did not cross my mind to be bitter about this, I was happy with my lot.

Those who whining etc. about similar situation here, it is not just about our skin color, a lot more complicated things maybe we don't understand. I know, if things the other way around (why are non whites earning more) a white guy complain like this, he will be called a racist. I am embarrassed the same happen here, some hypocrisy me thinks. Oh, and are Japanese classed as white, I don't think so, they also Asian and they earn a lot more than Europeans doing similar works!!!

By cocosmart• 20 Mar 2010 12:10

We all know that life is not fair, in a certain wait. But could anyone tell me how to earn extra income here in Qatar?

By mathboy• 20 Mar 2010 12:04

I see.. so loyalty means 'never to be there'!

By mathboy• 20 Mar 2010 12:00

tatess, Westerners are hugely overpaid and their life style here is not what it is back home.

By tatess• 20 Mar 2010 11:57

if asians and westerner got the same salary bracket.

either way nobody will be happy.just imagine the westerners salary same as the asians which is accot=rding to their cost of living .poor westerners...

the asians getting the same salary as the westerner which is 4X bigger. lucky asians...

By mathboy• 20 Mar 2010 11:52

And why you did not stay back home in times of economic crises to help rebuild the economy?

By mathboy• 20 Mar 2010 11:18

I read your post with 'interest'!.. However, I still want to know Why did you sign the job contract if you were not happy with it? I am talking about your previous job.

By mathboy• 20 Mar 2010 10:51

AbuAmerican, You are so funny.. Tell me another joke!

Also, Why did you sign the job contract if you were not happy with it?

By deepb• 20 Mar 2010 10:21

If the company thinks that a Westerner with the same qualification as an Asian deserves to be paid more, then it's their policy.

Sure you could probably cut costs of salary by half if you only recruit Asians in the company and get more profit, but companies here want to advertise as being a multinational company and need Westerners as well.

Most companies here are not just looking at maximum profit in this region. If it were so, a lot of jobs would've been outsourced just like the US and UK etc are doing. It's more of an image issue for them.

In the end, one of the most famous lines in QL applies here - If you don't like it, leave.

By jdwhisper2009• 20 Mar 2010 10:20

Dear Arnel,

You being an asian, do not have white skin.... here in Qatar they prefer only white skin and not black skin... irrespective whether they are qualified or intelligent... Hence if you have a job out here then be happy to have one... as it is okay to change your personal habbits but not the minds of sponsor here in Qatar...

By mathboy• 20 Mar 2010 09:50

Exactly this is the question.. "Why you signed the contract if you don't like the salary offer?.."

By setsuna00• 20 Mar 2010 09:42

Why you signed the contract if you don't like the salary offer?..

By mathboy• 20 Mar 2010 09:36

Abuamerican, Now I know why you find it a fair deal!

By mathboy• 20 Mar 2010 09:30

sabrang kidul, I think you have not read his all comments on this thread.

By sabrang kidul• 20 Mar 2010 09:14

Mathboy, I think that is a bit below the belt (your reply to abuamerican)

By Pajju• 20 Mar 2010 04:07

yea am gooin to sleep now :)

By happygolucky• 20 Mar 2010 04:04

U can take rest now...seems nothing much happening around.

________________________________________

One life to live, live it to the fullest.

By Pajju• 20 Mar 2010 04:02

as usual .. just lookin around QL:)

By happygolucky• 20 Mar 2010 03:59

Pajju....whats up...:)________________________________________

One life to live, live it to the fullest.

By Pajju• 20 Mar 2010 03:57

happy very very G morning :)

By happygolucky• 20 Mar 2010 03:53

Pajju....Good night...Oops...Good Morning...:)

WK...such issues remain alive as how much ever we try to brush aside the issue, when one comes across someone not worthy even 10% of his capability finds that person being paid 50% more than him gets him going...:)

The most amusing part of the discussion though has been the statements that when you started for this place you were happy to finalise the salary you are getting and only after coming here once you know what others get you start complaining or rather whining. I would suggest such posters to re read this again and think for a while arent there any other issues which they accepted to be present here and still decided to come and then once settled here comfortably start whining about. I will leave with the issue of expected behavior in public to get them thinking.

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One life to live, live it to the fullest.

By anonymous• 20 Mar 2010 02:10

This thread still alive????

Pajju didn't we hijack it lot earlier...

/\____/\___/\_______/\______________/\__ ____________________________________ You Lost Me!!

By mathboy• 20 Mar 2010 01:55

Well he gets more because he is the 'original' and you are naturalized citizen! This also means you are still considered partially-Asian despite you have a Western passport!

By mathboy• 20 Mar 2010 01:25

AbuAmerican, Do you know that you do not get the same pay as any white American or European?

By sabrang kidul• 20 Mar 2010 00:50

Just sharing my personal experience.

I hold an Asian passport and was happily working in a western country before being poached to Qatar.

The package offered to me is the same package as those for my other countrymen (ie Asian package). I accepted it because it is better than what I received back then. At that time, I was also considering another offer from other company (still in the same western country) and they back off when I showed them my Qatari offer. My manager which I really enjoyed working for also tried to retain me but he end up telling me to contact him if thing does not work up in Qatar.

So, that offer along with the hope that this is a better place to raise a family get me here.

At this point I'm still happy with my (Asian ) compensation. Of course being only human I think I'll be happier if it is more. Never tried to find out what my colleague get as I firmly believe that it will not do me any good at this stage. At the very least, I know it will create negative energy that may disrupt my harmony.....

Alhamdulillah

Cheers

By Pajju• 20 Mar 2010 00:34

happy good nite :)

By happygolucky• 20 Mar 2010 00:31

Azilana...I got interested in the word 'éveryone' in that statement as that is not true in my case...:)

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One life to live, live it to the fullest.

By azilana7037• 19 Mar 2010 23:58

applies to those who did just that...irregardless what nationality they are. :)

By happygolucky• 19 Mar 2010 23:42

Azilana....was your statement "Everyone came to this country, leave their loved ones behind...." limited to to Fillipinos or in general.

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One life to live, live it to the fullest.

By Pajju• 19 Mar 2010 23:25

well said Azi :)

By azilana7037• 19 Mar 2010 23:20

Thanks...

To the OP: I know what (Filipino) teachers are receiving compared to other teachers. Based on your post, you're working in a multi-national school and though all of you (teachers) have the same workload, they get more than you?

Think of it this way:

- In our country, we have the American system of education.

- Here in Qatar, most of the (primary)schools follow the UK curriculum...GO FIGURE.

Everyone came to this country, leave their loved ones behind...with the thought of giving our family a better standard of living back home and a better future for our children. WHY NOT FOCUS ON THAT? instead of comparing yourself to THEM, CONCENTRATE ON HOW YOU COULD DO YOUR JOB WELL & BETTER. People may or may not notice it but like they say:"YOU REAP WHAT YOU SOW"

You see, those people you compare yourself with have their own issues/problems AND LIVES and THEY DON'T CARE what you do AS LONG AS YOU DO YOUR JOB.

I do agree with the other Qlers...STOP WHINING & START WORKING...you're in Qatar TO WORK.

By painther• 19 Mar 2010 23:19

I want to be One, Plzz...i want to b 'elite'....even if it's mafia... :)-

By Pajju• 19 Mar 2010 23:15

painther am sure am not :P

By painther• 19 Mar 2010 23:13

khattak, QL's Elite Mafia..??? who are they?

By Pajju• 19 Mar 2010 23:05

KHATTAK who is showing attitude ? :P

By KHATTAK• 19 Mar 2010 22:50

QL's (Elite Mafia) is full of Hypocrites..... They whine about the "Take it or Leave it" attitude of Qataris towards them... and now they are showing the same attitude on this thread.

------------------------------------------------------Whenever I find the Key to Success, Someone Steals it.

By arnel_67• 19 Mar 2010 22:46

is there a possibility that the salary scale here in Qatar would be better and be fair?

By Stone Cold• 19 Mar 2010 21:57

That could be a pointer, the fact that most asian and arabs prefers to send their children abroad to western university for the best education.

By painther• 19 Mar 2010 20:46

Why QLers are fighting on this simple issue here?

paying salary is the prerogative of Employer.

I must, before venturing out to global job market, know what my real worth is? and accordingly charge to employer. (and if i dont know, what many claim here, it's stupidity..for which neither westeners nor locals are responsible).

Once I sign a contract i must follow it else leave it and settle for better if I CAN.

Why Whinning???

By adey• 19 Mar 2010 20:43

"Britain is the third most expensive country in the world in which to maintain a good standard of living, research shows.

With the exception of France and Norway money would go further in every other country in the world, according to a poll carried out for high street bank HSBC.

study looked at how long a British income would last abroad if people maintained the standard of living they have in this country - for instance, eating out in a similar standard of restaurant twice a week.

The study found a typical British salary would run out after 11 months and one week in Norway if Britons moved there and tried to maintain their standard of living, while in France their money would run out after 11 months and two weeks.

In contrast, a year's pay would last for four years in Iran and for two years, 10 months and one week in India.

In countries such as Peru, Egypt, Argentina and Costa Rica, it would last for more than two years.

People thinking of relocating to Germany, Australia and Ireland would find that money they spent in 12 months in Britain would last for more than 14 months in these countries, while it would last for 15 months in America and Spain.

Other popular destinations for Britons such as Canada and New Zealand also came up as being better value, with the money lasting for 16 months and 18 months respectively, while in South Africa it would last for one year and 11 months."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1575135/UK-the-third-most-expensive-country-to-live-in.html

"Deaths in the Bible. God - 2,270,365

not including the victims of Noah's flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, or the

many plagues, famines, fiery serpents, etc because no specific numbers

were given. Satan - 10."

By nomad_08• 19 Mar 2010 20:35

if everyone is paid the same regardless of their nationality/color of skin, then the westerners will complain and will either ask for more or quit....

By novita77• 19 Mar 2010 20:30

turkey Adey ... more than that ... ! cant remember how much but i know is still more than UK.

WOndering where is dweller ...

By adey• 19 Mar 2010 20:29

had computer problems plus nothing reall worth commenting on now that QL has gone all vanilla; heaven forbid that anyones precious little feelings might get slightly dented! :P

"Deaths in the Bible. God - 2,270,365

not including the victims of Noah's flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, or the

many plagues, famines, fiery serpents, etc because no specific numbers

were given. Satan - 10."

By anonymous• 19 Mar 2010 20:29

What kind of a business sense would you have if u r ready to pay 4 times the cost for the SAME service/product?

Let these expensive products/services remain in their own countries paying their crippling taxes, and let the rest of the world get on with their monetarily effective lives!!!

You can be HOT or COLD to me, spare me LUKEWARM!!!!

By Pajju• 19 Mar 2010 20:26

polkadots check QL kairali :)

By Pajju• 19 Mar 2010 20:23

good film , i liked it :P

By adey• 19 Mar 2010 20:23

I'll wade into this one. Nearly everyone here ships money back home for a variety of reasons, thus the costs back in one's 'home' country need to be taken into consideration. eg as a benchmark in UK a litre of petrol costa 6.60QR and to keep a house there, whether you live in it or not will cost you a fortune. Thus if these costs aren't covered then no one could afford to relocate to Qatar.

Anyone beat 6.60QR for a litre of petrol? Any takers?

"Deaths in the Bible. God - 2,270,365

not including the victims of Noah's flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, or the

many plagues, famines, fiery serpents, etc because no specific numbers

were given. Satan - 10."

By anonymous• 19 Mar 2010 20:22

Pajju how was the movie Happy Husbands?

You can be HOT or COLD to me, spare me LUKEWARM!!!!

By adey• 19 Mar 2010 20:15

hotting up here at the moment; but only the temperature, not the social scene unfortunatly. :)

"Deaths in the Bible. God - 2,270,365

not including the victims of Noah's flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, or the

many plagues, famines, fiery serpents, etc because no specific numbers

were given. Satan - 10."

By Pajju• 19 Mar 2010 20:15

yes i am here .. :) wait few min lets see others comments also :P

By anonymous• 19 Mar 2010 20:13

HIJACKED!!!!!MODS,...MAYDAY,MAYDAY,COME IN MODS, R U THERE?!!!!

You can be HOT or COLD to me, spare me LUKEWARM!!!!

By novita77• 19 Mar 2010 20:10

hello from the 'not so sunny' durham Adey ;)

By adey• 19 Mar 2010 20:06

Kinda dull round here now a days.

"Deaths in the

Bible. God - 2,270,365

not including the victims of Noah's flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, or the

many plagues, famines, fiery serpents, etc because no specific numbers

were given. Satan - 10."

By anonymous• 19 Mar 2010 20:05

Abu American , how can more "incompetent"hands working on a thing make it good?so u mean to say instead of paying "one "u" a hefty salary u r boss should hire 10 incompetent asians for the same sal and have them work in shifts!!that would be productivity 24/7/365!!!

You can be HOT or COLD to me, spare me LUKEWARM!!!!

By novita77• 19 Mar 2010 20:01

and also Abu, with all the martial arts you have mastered, no one dare to mess around with you ;)

By novita77• 19 Mar 2010 20:00

I see Abu. Few weeks ago his dad passed away. Not sure where he is now ... most probably the whole family might have to pack up if Indonesian government sending a new ambassador replacing the late Mr.Munir.

By novita77• 19 Mar 2010 19:48

Abu, did you get to do your pencak silat ?

By mathboy• 19 Mar 2010 19:42

AbuAmerican, You do care a lot. You would not be responding so aggressively if you did not!

By anonymous• 19 Mar 2010 19:40

rlasrado, just curious bro , which is this ideal company tht does not look at skin/ passport color? here in Qatar?

You can be HOT or COLD to me, spare me LUKEWARM!!!!

By rlasrado• 19 Mar 2010 19:34

Wow this thread gone upto 121 – although this topic has been discussed umpteen times :-)

Khawaga, for this company, in this particular line of business (salary scales lower than what industry offers) it is difficult attracting “good” talent as Qatar does not come about as an attractive place to work. Retaining talent too has becomes very difficult cause once they comes to Qatar and see what the place offers to a new person – if he/she doesn’t survive the first year (I stress on this)– they are gone.

Anyways back to my point of an individual offering value to the Company. Qualifications and experience both help a person get into a Company. If he or she does not then “offer value” to that Company – you’ll be shown the door.

As for people complaining of their low salaries on account of their skin colour – if you offer the value to the company, then you’ll get the salary you ask cause the company wants to retain you. Just by complaining by Comparing salaries is not going to get you anywhere – I’m sure the boss/HR will turn back and tell you that you are free to leave!!!!

By anonymous• 19 Mar 2010 19:26

...........am still waiting for a clarification from the vanguards of "westerners",..lol,lol,lol......

You can be HOT or COLD to me, spare me LUKEWARM!!!!

By novita77• 19 Mar 2010 19:25

mathboy and abu - will you guys stop bickering please ? ;)

By mathboy• 19 Mar 2010 19:23

AbuAmerican, I feel you are more jealous of Asians as they are more qualified than you!

By shyams• 19 Mar 2010 19:19

surprised to find, these thread (old and a lot discussed) still attracts responses left and right. congrats.

By anonymous• 19 Mar 2010 19:16

Whining Asians or what ever, if u Western pple were so good why do u need Asians in u r country to revive a geriatric society?Why if Asians are so incompetent u r letting us build u r aircraft, programme u r computers, CURE u when u r sick, teach u r future generation,wear the cloths we make,buy the food we grow , and after all this u just now realized we r not as competent as u are!!!!

HAHAHALOL,LOL,LOL.....

You can be HOT or COLD to me, spare me LUKEWARM!!!!

By novita77• 19 Mar 2010 19:04

prettyme ... no worries ... appology accepted ...

By Pajju• 19 Mar 2010 18:38

nomerci dint get u ?

By nomerci• 19 Mar 2010 18:36

Yes Vegas, they do drive Land cruisers, they are drivers.

What comes around, goes around....

By anonymous• 19 Mar 2010 18:28

lol let's call truce then :P

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By anonymous• 19 Mar 2010 18:26

wk, i learned from the biggest whiner in the world, and he is brit. you lose! :p

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By anonymous• 19 Mar 2010 18:23

More like finished, lol..

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By Pajju• 19 Mar 2010 18:21

lol WK , i got ticket and i watched movie :) so u started ? :P

By anonymous• 19 Mar 2010 18:20

No because they know thread is officially hijacked now :P

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By Pajju• 19 Mar 2010 18:17

why WK am i rude ? :P

By anonymous• 19 Mar 2010 18:16

lol yes I can but only if you have no British blood in you. Nobody can beat them as whiners ;-)

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By anonymous• 19 Mar 2010 18:15

sorry to offend you novita. i sometimes get out of line and really catty (guilty as charged). in a moment of overzealous patriotism and human rights advocacy, i forgot that we are all entitled to our opinion, and that this is only a virtual forum. again, apologies for getting too personal. :)

wk, you think you can beat me at whining? ;)

By anonymous• 19 Mar 2010 18:14

Pajju you came and everyone ran away :P

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By Pajju• 19 Mar 2010 18:11

my car is benq and i am asian :)

By anonymous• 19 Mar 2010 18:07

Vegas ssssshhhhhhhh keep it a secret will you, lol..

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By anonymous• 19 Mar 2010 18:03

lol novita, I still got to learn the subtleties of this weird language, English :P

prettyme no, QLing is ok, my Boss knows I need to surf the internet for a while after every hour or two to keep my mind fresh.

Abu the OP didn't bother to analyse why there is a difference.

It's about Beer O'clock for me too now :P

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By Vegas• 19 Mar 2010 18:00

How do you know what people are making anyway???

And the ones that look rich are in Debt up to the eyeballs and not saving anything...

You can't teach experience...

By novita77• 19 Mar 2010 17:59

lol whytheknight .... it is call 'tongue in cheek', dont take it seriously ;)

By jumpinjackoo• 19 Mar 2010 17:58

sandmouth??

In this modern world, internet is the great equalizer.

By anonymous• 19 Mar 2010 17:57

is QL-ing at work one of those policies? lol. im as guilty as you are. ;)

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By anonymous• 19 Mar 2010 17:56

novita get over that comment, nomerci said people who post more on QL give an idea why salary differential is there and I posted a list of top 10 QLer to help her get the idea. Nowhere was it said that QL pays for posting. I know you want me to say that but not gonna happen.

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By Sandman69• 19 Mar 2010 17:56

Gotta go, It's BEER THIRTY. I'm gonna take my big western salary and drink some good western whisky... Dont worry... I will tip the ASIAN waitress

By anonymous• 19 Mar 2010 17:54

Sandman69 my mother works in a government employment office back home and people from her office used to visit Dubai once in a while to check the standards of living of people who have moved there from my home state in India.

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By novita77• 19 Mar 2010 17:54

prettyme, did you not read the previous posts. I am one of the highest paid QLer ... I used to worked on QL full time, now kinda off semi retired.

Your profile seems you are higly educated, I am really surprise that you advertise your ass colour on public forum. Be very careful people will get the wrong idea about boy friend loving your ass colour.

And told you already that I am not working for you. So I am not taking any order from you about experiencing real world. Who do you think you are ??? ;)

By Sandman69• 19 Mar 2010 17:52

I still contend that if the people who think they are not being paid enough return home and don't accept the low salaries, someone else will. But if their governments intervene and don't allow them to accept overseas job unless the proposal is fair, the salaries will increase. Cut off the labor force and drive up the salary. After all, their governments have a stake in this as much of the money earned makes its way back home.

By anonymous• 19 Mar 2010 17:50

prettyme I am a whiner and love to whine about anything and everything wherever I go.

I have no problem with the salary differential and never will have. I know the reasons and I appreciate them but whenever someone starts saying that oh we are more capable, we have better qualification than them so we should be paid more then I get ticked off.

In an earlier thread on the same subject matter I wrote, I can test my knowledge of my field against anyone from the western world and you won't spot any difference, I regularly upgrade my western colleagues on the advancement in technology in our field and run a training for them once in a while. The reason is not ability.

They are more organised than me that's one thing in which they are better than me. I break about a dozen company policies per day but hey whatever generates more business :P

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By anonymous• 19 Mar 2010 17:48

QL and go experience the real world.

i wish there were more fanonite's here in QL. they make for better discussions, give out insightful comments and you know you're talking to a real person and not some wanna-be.

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By novita77• 19 Mar 2010 17:44

Sandman ... easier said than done ... ;) If people concern about the grass in their own yard only, Qatari and Ahmad will have to close down the website because no one will post their anger / jealousy / boredom on here ...

By jumpinjackoo• 19 Mar 2010 17:43

denouncing (i don't know if this is the right word) what johann hari wrote.

In this modern world, internet is the great equalizer.

By novita77• 19 Mar 2010 17:42

Wow, talking about 'twisted' and 'catty'. ;)

By Sandman69• 19 Mar 2010 17:42

I still believe that we all came here knowing what our salary would be and accepted, but when some compare their salary to others, now its not enough. Is the grass always greener on the other side of the fence? I'm only concerned about the grass in my yard!

By anonymous• 19 Mar 2010 17:41

and proud of it.

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By novita77• 19 Mar 2010 17:39

pretty-me , you wrote a very amusing post ... well done.

By jumpinjackoo• 19 Mar 2010 17:39

VII. The Lifestyle

"Later, in a hotel bar, I start chatting to a dyspeptic expat American who works in the cosmetics industry and is desperate to get away from these people. She says:

"All the people who couldn't succeed in their own countries end up here, and suddenly they're rich and promoted way above their abilities and bragging about how great they are. I've never met so many incompetent people in such senior positions anywhere in the world."

http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/johann-hari/the-dark-side-of-dubai-1664368.html

oops johann hari is british not canadian

In this modern world, internet is the great equalizer.

By anonymous• 19 Mar 2010 17:37

I won't bracket us as "whining" Asians, not the best of remark to make.

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By anonymous• 19 Mar 2010 17:36

my boyfriend loves my brown ass and i have a green passport which i need to change to burgundy because of government directive (and not because i got lucky and married a brit/am-boy).

i dont think i'd like stuck-up people working for me. they'd make more problems than these "whining" asians.

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By anonymous• 19 Mar 2010 17:35

AbuAmerican you were spot on in your first two posts and now even you are drifting, guess QL does that to you ;-)

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By Sandman69• 19 Mar 2010 17:35

Supersuper, i can't answer that question for you. You have to determine if that amount of money is accptable to YOU. Will it make that big of a difference in your life? Is it what you think your skills are worth? Will you be on this site in six months crying because your coworker makes more than you. If you can live with it...then you should accept it. If you think you should make more then pass on it. Don't worry for the company, because someone is willing to take the job for that salary. Only you can decide as you will have to live with the decision.

By novita77• 19 Mar 2010 17:33

poor westerner, being reject and cast off on their home country, and now people are jealous because they making more in the middle east. Can't win !

By jumpinjackoo• 19 Mar 2010 17:31

are you saying you are one of them??? i am not accusing people i am just saying as it is. who knows???

In this modern world, internet is the great equalizer.

By Sandman69• 19 Mar 2010 17:25

Jackoff, Again you give an example that you can't verify. Did your "FRIEND" know him in America and can he without a doubt, confirm he was a carpenter. It sounds like envy and jelousy because he was not give the job. And I draw that conclusion based on your statement alone.

By Khawaga• 19 Mar 2010 17:23

jumpinjackoo- There are probably more factors to that story that you don't know. We had a similar experience here with a man who held a seemingly menial position back in the US. Turns out he had been doing the same type of job, even owned his own company in the US for 20 years before taking a job out here. And it wasn't because he wanted more money, it was for the adventure of living in a new place. He was promoted to project manager over men with only a few years' experience in office jobs and they complained. However, he really proved himself and most of the staff came to respect him. The others left to find other opportunities elsewhere.

By SuperSuper• 19 Mar 2010 17:21

hey guys. I`m a nurse here in the phils. i just signed a contract for hamad as a staff nurse. the offer is 5600 qatar riyals per month plus 1000 qatar riyal for transportation allowance. Is that a great deal? how about the free accommodation does it look good? I`m anxious about my new job. help pls.

By novita77• 19 Mar 2010 17:21

mathboy ... like wise ;) You have a good weekend too ...

By mathboy• 19 Mar 2010 17:19

novita77, I am very happy with my job and the pay I receive. I am not complaining about anything... I am discussing this issue to let people know 'what it is'.

I took finance as an example.. This is equally applicable in engineering jobs.

You have a good weekend.

By novita77• 19 Mar 2010 17:16

Pretty me lol, I am not going to work for you , so you dont have to ask my skin colour and my passport either ;)

By novita77• 19 Mar 2010 17:13

why do you want to know my colour of skin ?

By jumpinjackoo• 19 Mar 2010 17:13

it is on the gulf news about the dubai crisis interviewing all nationalites of workers there. i am not saying nor i can verify the veracity of the report b ut i can tell you that a co worker of mine from KEO company an architect, many of them complained because an american was proromted to a project manager where in america he works as a carpenter.

In this modern world, internet is the great equalizer.

By anonymous• 19 Mar 2010 17:12

i hate to ask this but im just curious.. Novita, what is the color of your skin??

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By novita77• 19 Mar 2010 17:12

Mathboy, thank you for clarifying. Unfortunately my husband line of work have nothing to do with finance.

If you really having a sour gripe with others who earn more because of their skin colour / passport, dont you think you should consider to look for better opportunity. Maybe working in a country which offer equal opportunity ? In this case according to your post defenitely not Qatar. From your profile, you are highly educated ...you surely have no problem to get a job some place else ?

By Sandman69• 19 Mar 2010 17:04

Jumpinjack, Can you cite your source or is this just another random posting to Wikipedia or the likes. Yes the internet is the great equalizer, anyone can post anything and it doesn't even have to be true and some Jackass will believe it. In the words of the late PT Barnum " There's a sucker born every minute"

By mathboy• 19 Mar 2010 17:02

Despite your note has not earned a response, I respond to your grand question since you insist...

Question: "Please clarify what kind of job these people does in the UK making GBP 30.000 before tax, and what kind of job these people does in Qatar make GBP 100,000. I will send my husband to apply."

Answer: In a very few cases these people do the same job in Qatar and earn more. In many cases they get a better position because they are coming from the 'first world'.

Let's take an example. Look at the link below:

http://www.exec-appointments.com/Jobs/Ad.aspx?adID=154267

It is an ad on Financial Times website for the job of a 'Management Accountant' to join a commercial organization. The candidate has to be an experienced Qualified Accountant. Salary being offered is £35k to £40k all inclusive.

Qualified Accountant with 5-year plus experience in Qatar is being paid between £50k to £60k (plus expatriate benefits) by good organizations. And those with 10 year plus experience are paid in the range of £80k to £100k. Obviously in this case the guy would be a financial controller or accounting manager. Note that £35k to £40k is all inclusive. Also it becomes £26k to £30k after tax!

The guy working as a management accountant there has great chances to grab a job of a financial controller or accounting manager here, not because he is fully qualified for that job, but he comes with a Western passport.

Answer to second part of your question.. Please 'send' your husband to apply!

By Khawaga• 19 Mar 2010 16:57

jumpinjackoo: Interesting point of view. I wonder if your Canadian journalist backed up his (or her?) claim or was more projecting his own situation on the rest of us.

By jumpinjackoo• 19 Mar 2010 16:55

that most westerners here are rejects of their countries. now hold on i did not say that. some article by a canadian journalist about dubai workers.

In this modern world, internet is the great equalizer.

By novita77• 19 Mar 2010 16:54

Fanonite : Very nice of you for feeling the suffering of others in the other end of spectrum. And off course for feeling their plight.

By Sandman69• 19 Mar 2010 16:46

Rating: 4/5

For every job out there, there is someone willing to do it for a price. If the salary is not what you think you deserve, pass on it. Make yourself more marketable or try another market. None of us are enslaved. We are free to leave, unless we have local debts that prevent it.

Bottom line is.. as long as someone will accept less, they will be paid less. If the supply of labor dries up, the salaries will become better. Its simple supply and demand economics.

By Deal_4_wHeel• 19 Mar 2010 16:40

people do have nothing get higher salaries and dependable on others,probably their juniors... Cost of living is high everwhere, either europe,america or asia... but everyone earns and spend in his own style... if one's income is good he can afford a Bungalow, one's being paid less should not jump higher...!!

...Life would become Dull if there were no such Difficulties...

By fanonite• 19 Mar 2010 16:34

according to qatari standards, my family has the right skin color, passport and qualifications.. and jobwise, we have got a very fair deal.. so personally, i don't fit in the discriminated group..

but that does not entitle me to dismiss the sufferings of other ppl. i feel for the ppl who are on the other end of the spectrum.

i know some of my husband's subordinates who are highly qualified, skilled and hard working and they are being paid peanuts becasue they have asian passports. what i hear from my husband is that their complaints to the HR office always fall on deaf ears.

call me crazy, but i do feel their plight..

"The more I see of the world the more am I dissatisfied with it." Jane Austen.

By anonymous• 19 Mar 2010 16:32

Hey I agreed in my very first comment that salary difference is justifiable, why are you arguing with me over it :P

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By nomerci• 19 Mar 2010 16:29

lol whyte, those are "old" users, they have been on QL for many years therfore have a high amount of points( I sense an explanation was necessary). Look around, well, naa, don't, even if presented on a silver platter, some don't see.

As I said, carry on, serves me ;)

What comes around, goes around....

By novita77• 19 Mar 2010 16:22

I told you I works on QL .... and still is .... nowadays part time only.

By anonymous• 19 Mar 2010 16:21

I didn't think You were working while in Doha so guess you are not part of the survey :P

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By novita77• 19 Mar 2010 16:19

Yes I am one of the top 10 highest paid QLer by Qatari and Ahmad ... anybody want to contest that ?

By anonymous• 19 Mar 2010 16:18

First ask nomerci about the relation between QL points and salary that she was trying to make then you will understand.

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By novita77• 19 Mar 2010 16:17

the doha bank top man ... the guy with the dicky bow ... he dont look a 'westerner' to me. I wonder did he ever write a salary complain here on QL ?

By novita77• 19 Mar 2010 16:15

whytheknight ... why no merci have to change his/her view ?

By LivingInDoha2008• 19 Mar 2010 16:15

It is fair and unfair that Westerners get more paid than Asians:

Qatar has a mentality of "take home salary" concept. It is funny but most of the GCC countries are still far away from looking at the matter fairly.

Why Westerners get paid more?

:-Country of Origin

:-Lifestyle

:-Mentality of having a white skin working in the company

:-For sure, there would not be another who would "bring down the labour market down";)

Why Asians get paid less?

:-Just check the opposites of all the points

I am sure most of the Asians, even given a similar salary as a Westerner would not go for the same lifestyle as Westerners. Rather would do a lot of banking.. and the position itself would never get vacant until he/she gets retired:))

So Qatar looses spending of a Westerner here

and the company looses hiring of an energetic in the position.

-me an Asian too

By anonymous• 19 Mar 2010 16:13

nomerci check out the nationalities of the top 10 users. your view might change.

DaRuDe Uncategorized 30951

britexpat Uncategorized 19860

mjamille28 Uncategorized 18564

novita77 Uncategorized 18386

Alexa Uncategorized 17979

UkEngQatar Uncategorized 16301

baldrick2dogs Uncategorized 16233

Gypsy Uncategorized 15092

PM Uncategorized 14139

owen Uncategorized 12882

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By nomerci• 19 Mar 2010 16:09

I have a question. If you look at QL, who are the people posting and who are the people not posting ? Out of those that are employed.

And once you have figured that one out, tell me the reason.

What comes around, goes around....

By gentel lady• 19 Mar 2010 16:08

coz ur asian hehehehehehehe

By novita77• 19 Mar 2010 16:04

still waiting your explanation of GBP 30,000 and GBP 100,000 mathboy.

By novita77• 19 Mar 2010 16:03

Eagle : Whatever the HR doing , there will always people who are always complaining. Thats apart of life.

My salary lower than his, he drives brand new 4WD while I only drive old car, why he live in a villa and i have to share 1 bedroom with another people, he can afford yearly holiday and I cant have any holiday blah blah blah. Sod off working, I am off and complaining on Qatar Living.

By Eagley• 19 Mar 2010 16:02

ovita77 said ...if i were you I will make a B line straight to human resources and show them the facts and complain"

Yes, but what some of them feel is that change takes so long, not realizing that HR has to collect the facts and report to decision makers and that takes time. has to be more than 2 or 3 persons. HR policies do change for the better - but patience is key.

The problem with quite a number of people is that their focus is money and they wanna make money fast. So are most people's focus - agreed. But because of this, they fail to see beyond their own circumstance. They don't adapt. They think negatively and whine and this goes on and on in a downward spiral. HR may be doing its best but change takes time, needs effort and perseverance.

My company's HR policies are pretty good actually (definitely improved over the years with feedback) but some staff still complain. I actually don't see why unless they are caught in the past and can't let go of that.

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By mathboy• 19 Mar 2010 16:02

novita77, You have to present better analysis with good questions to get answers!

By Eagley• 19 Mar 2010 15:49

Khawaga said ... I've found that the longevity of experience does not necessarily equate to quality of experience. I don't need someone who was a "yes man" for 20 years."

- Yeah, what for have a "yes" man. If there's a problem, admit it and easier to nip the problem in the bud nearer the time the problem occurs rather than say everything's hunky dory when it's not and then it blows up into a bigger mess later - when memory recollections are vague and there are gaping holes in the etc.

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By novita77• 19 Mar 2010 15:45

fanonite : I know what you mean. Nothing gonna changing complaining on QL, they should complain to their HR, or if they are not happy they should work in a country who offer equal opportunity.

By fanonite• 19 Mar 2010 15:44

"why don't you guys quit your jobs and leave".it's the most arrogant, absurd and " we are better than you" attitude, that i have ever come across. i would say that it's a human trait to fight for their rights, to fight against discrimination and to earn what they deserve through the hard way if it doesn't come the easy way.

"The more I see of the world the more am I dissatisfied with it." Jane Austen.

By novita77• 19 Mar 2010 15:40

mathboy ... lets say you know everything ... the qualifications, salary etc etc. WHat good for you complaining on Qatar Living, if i were you I will make a B line straight to human resources and show them the facts and complain.

As I said ... you sign the contract, you know how much you going to earn , when you find out others earn more ... you whinning and moaning on public forum.

Do you think any of these employers / companies would be happy if their staffs moaning all day about how little they earn on the public forum ?

And mathboy this is quoted from your post :

'Just an example, people who make GBP.30,000 before tax in the UK make GBP.100,000 tax free in Qatar! They live there in small apartments, travel on buses and bicycles. Here they have 4x4 and live in big villas! This is not their life style back home. '

Please clarify what kind of job these people does in the UK making GBP 30.000 before tax, and what kind of job these people does in Qatar make GBP 100,000. I will send my husband to apply.

You also said :

'Lifestyle Asians have is their choice. Mainly it is because they earn less, not because they like it. An Asian stays in an apartment not because he 'hates' living in a villa in compound. He does so because most of the time he can't afford it'

Asians have their choice, why westerner can not have their choice because they can afford it. Can you answer me please why westerner can not have their own choice of lifestyle when they can afford it ?

The what you so call 'westerner' given up green scenery back home in the UK, dependable public transport, family and friends comforts, breathing in fresh air, being able to walk everywhere. Would you mind to tell me why they can not live in big villas and have 4X4 ? They cant have the same lifestyle like back home surely they can settle with a new style. No ?

By Eagley• 19 Mar 2010 15:37

whyteknight said We work in a very high pressure job nomerci, Even I am yelling half of my working day :P"

We do too. But we very rarely yell. Maybe that's why we're taken for granted, reminders overlooked and considered as pushovers and doormats... :0(

The few times we did, quite amazing how fast they can move when duly motivated.

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By nomerci• 19 Mar 2010 15:35

See, I am glad you all are doing what you are doing. Keeps me in high demand.

Let us keep it this way. :)

What comes around, goes around....

By Khawaga• 19 Mar 2010 15:34

rlasrado: I agree with you on a lot of points. I have a few positions that I am trying to fill, but I've found that the longevity of experience does not necessarily equate to quality of experience. I don't need someone who was a "yes man" for 20 years. Do you really have a hard time attracting talent to live here in Qatar? Even given the living allowances and cars allowances?

By Eagley• 19 Mar 2010 15:34

After the employer is convinced that this candidate can add value to the company, then only they negotiate the salary and then only these considerations of cost of living back home, family status, etc is taken into account.

But I do agree that some employers have it backwards. But as they say, cashflow is king, so sometimes, companies have no choice and have to make do with what they can to survive. But what goes around, comes around. The wrong people will sink the company in the long run.

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By anonymous• 19 Mar 2010 15:34

It does get the frustrations out of the system :P

I am trying to control my temper at work but need a few more anger management classes :P

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By nomerci• 19 Mar 2010 15:32

Yes, as I said, utterly professional. Yelling usually gets the job done. lol

Please carry on. :)

What comes around, goes around....

By fanonite• 19 Mar 2010 15:31

but certainly not in qatar.

"The more I see of the world the more am I dissatisfied with it." Jane Austen.

By anonymous• 19 Mar 2010 15:29

We work in a very high pressure job nomerci, Even I am yelling half of my working day :P

Listening to customers yelling during the other half :P

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By nomerci• 19 Mar 2010 15:27

Ah yes, the yelling, utterly professional.

What comes around, goes around....

By Eagley• 19 Mar 2010 15:26

rlasrado said one thing though – while taking an interview, I’d luv to hear the candidate tell me that the cost of living in his home country is high and that’s justification for a higher salary. Hilarious."

You've got a point there. Not to be mentioned in the interview, of course but these are the unspoken considerations of any candidate - unless asked by interviewer (but no savvy interviewer would ask in the 1st place) so, interviewee should not even think about mentioning that point as a justification for his/her higher salary. Just focus on what value they can add to the company - that's all employers wanna hear.

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By mathboy• 19 Mar 2010 15:26

If I say I exactly know their qualifications, education, skills and experience as well as the position guide.. so.. How do I know.. you would know that when someone is your direct reportee.

I never knew that employers factor in the mortgage bills back home in the salary package!

By nomerci• 19 Mar 2010 15:26

rlasrado, please explain this logic to me.

First you say that a person would not accept a salary in Qatar lower that what he is paid in his homecountry ( now we all surely realize that his salary at home is , besides other factors, based on cost of living,right? )

Then you say that if a candidate during an interview with you mentions cost of living at home in connection with a salary here is hilarious.

Now, some might mention this, others won't. Both have their reasons. One would be that mentioning the obvious is uneccassary for some.

Still, can you enlighten me? (I would be one of those not mentioning the obvious)

What comes around, goes around....

By anonymous• 19 Mar 2010 15:25

rlasrado these things don't need to be discussed in an interview, why would a guy from Britain come here for 1500 pounds a month, but same salry becomes 120,000 Rs per month for an Indian, 210,000 Rs per month for Pakistani and so on. These things are understood by the people conducting the interview.

I actually don't even talk about salary in an interview.

As for Novita's comment that they are paid higher because more qualified and so on, Our manager is an Indian and assistant manager is from Europe. Assistant manager takes orders from the Indian guy whole day long, gets yelled at whole day long and still takes the higher salary home and both of them are cool with it.

I mean you would like to believe it's because of qualification but it's not just down to that.

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By novita77• 19 Mar 2010 15:15

you got paid higher because you are qualified as simple as that.

By rlasrado• 19 Mar 2010 15:13

And I do not agree with salary being benchmarked with cost of living of country of origin – that I can understand when you accept the offer (unless you going to earn more in Qatar why would you be here for your first offer). When you get here and do not offer value you’ll will be sacked. In the last month there has been 2 top companies (aware of the details of restructuring) which have got rid of all the “fat” in their companies – quite a lot of them being westerners which huge salaries not justifying their salaries and offering value. More companies are going to do so soon in the near future.

The bottom line is – if you do not add value to your company you will be kicked out – doesn’t make a difference whether you are black or white or brown or yellow :-)

One thing though – while taking an interview, I’d luv to hear the candidate tell me that the cost of living in his home country is high and that’s justification for a higher salary. Hilarious.

By novita77• 19 Mar 2010 15:06

how do you know they have not paid higher water bill? Do you know their qualifications ? Their education backgrounds ? Their mortgage bills back home ? What the employer look for when he got interviewed ? I DONT THINK SO ?

If you are not happy with what they get ... TOUGH ! Keep dreaming and keep comparing ...

By mathboy• 19 Mar 2010 15:04

Most of us are paid exactly what we should be paid. We have a problem with those who are overpaid because of skin colour and passport, not the qualification, experience and skills.

By rlasrado• 19 Mar 2010 14:57

Stop comparing salaries. If you believe you add more value to the organization then demand that salary or work up to a salary that you are happy with. Asia is the new talent and emerging market experience is very important going forward. I’m right now looking for Marketing professional for international markets and I’ve got tons of CV’s – most of them westerners – but that said the role demands mature market experience and it will go to the right person who has the requisite experience – irrespective of the colour of the skin (the mouth watering salary means I can get anyone in world)

It has now become really difficult to get management professionals from India (bbay). Made 4 offers for employment – 3 rejected, one expressed interest and then backed out. Will have to look at other markets or up the salary (it is already in range with what a finance professional would get in the UK). Qatar does not offer the lifestyle which is attractive and going forward it is going to become more difficult to attract "good quality" talent

By mathboy• 19 Mar 2010 14:49

Why one should not compare? What's wrong in that? What if the grass is greener on the other side and they have not paid higher water bill!

I am happy with what I get. But I am unhappy with what they get.

By Eagley• 19 Mar 2010 14:45

Agree with AbuAmerican. Cost of living back home is an important consideration. I'm Asian and earn lower than the Westerners - at least a third. But my cost of living back home is about a third lower as well, so it balances out.

I live within my means and don't bother about other people living in swanky apartments or villas in West Bay, the Pearl, etc. and drive expensive cars, etc. What do I care? If others have those luxuries, well and good for them. I don't need to look rich to have friends. I look like something the cat dragged in but have loadsa pals. Prefer them to those that glitter but are not gold.

What I can't stand is those with the luxuries flaunting it around and taking down to people. That's just asking for it. Ok off tangent ... that's another thing...

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By nomerci• 19 Mar 2010 14:44

ok, go on, compare...so, what do you see? YOU see that somebody gets paid more because of his skin colour or passport. Good, keep on doing that.

What comes around, goes around....

By novita77• 19 Mar 2010 14:34

no one force you to come to middle east or Qatar in this matter, before you come you know how much you going to earn !. You arrived here in Qatar and start compare the salary with others. You not happy with your salary, resign and find a job with better pay. Not whinning on the public forum.

By magedtamern• 19 Mar 2010 14:33

i think this depend on the equal of the money in there country

if he take 10,000 equal more money in his country

By Khawaga• 19 Mar 2010 14:16

asif: boo hoo! The US was once a colony as well. We got over it. So should you.

By asif_khan• 19 Mar 2010 14:14

ok but still this is a present situation

we asians come form countries where there is unemployment and poverty and corruption is on the rise and after that we are dark skinned people having less education and previously colonized by west.

By mathboy• 19 Mar 2010 13:31

asif_khan, There is no 'third world'. So called 'first world' is looking at 'third world' for everything! And if some people think these worlds exist, it is going to be reversed soon.

By mathboy• 19 Mar 2010 13:26

Rating: 3/5

Completely agree with you on first para.

"Offer a Westerner a package that is offered to Asians and no one would accept it." In many cases Westerners would accept even if it is half of what they pay to an Asian worker! We can take a real life examples by comparing numbers e.g. salary being paid to a professional in Western Europe or North America in a particular industry vis-a-vis an Asian professional's pay in the Gulf in the same industry. I guarantee you Asian professionals make more money in Gulf than their Western counterparts in the West. After tax people are left with pennies in their pockets.

Jealously is natural as we do not see skin colour and passport as qualifications.

By anonymous• 19 Mar 2010 13:18

But you are, Ha, ha.

By asif_khan• 19 Mar 2010 13:16

if ur an asian it doesnt mean that u should be paid less becoze ur from third world.

By mathboy• 19 Mar 2010 12:40

Khawaga, Certainly you do. This is the reason you are here.

Westerners should say that they are just lucky that they get more, not because they deserve more.

Anyway it is changing. World has begun to see beyond the skin colour and the nationality.

By shahzad_14• 19 Mar 2010 12:39

Welcome to GULF

"I know I am not PERFECT but I am ALWAYZ ME & that is something YOU can COUNT on FOREVER"

By Khawaga• 19 Mar 2010 12:11

Well, I certainly don't have a villa or a huge SUV, but I am making more money here than I made back home. It's all in how you negotiate your contract. I went for the things that were important to me.

By Pajju• 19 Mar 2010 11:59

TIG

By mathboy• 19 Mar 2010 11:58

Just an example, people who make GBP.30,000 before tax in the UK make GBP.100,000 tax free in Qatar! They live there in small apartments, travel on buses and bicycles. Here they have 4x4 and live in big villas! This is not their life style back home.

By anonymous• 19 Mar 2010 11:55

They also call it 'Racism'. Who said Qatar is free of it? The true face of Qatar: ugly.

By anonymous• 19 Mar 2010 11:49

Most people come here to work a while, save money and go back. Unfavourable exchange rates and higher cost of living back home means that westerners have to be paid more to make it an attractive proposition for them to come here.

It is only reasonable. If they were giving out Qatari citizenship and more and more people could settle here then maybe I will think a bit differently.

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By Khawaga• 19 Mar 2010 11:47

Bottom line is, you are paid what you are being paid because that is the salary you agreed to take.

By mathboy• 19 Mar 2010 11:45

Rating: 5/5

This does not justify the higher pay to Westerners. The payment should me made on the work you do. If an Asian worker is doing the same job, in same grade with similar qualification, there is no reason that he should be paid less.

Lifestyle Asians have is their choice. Mainly it is because they earn less, not because they like it. An Asian stays in an apartment not because he 'hates' living in a villa in compound. He does so because most of the time he can't afford it.

Let's start paying Indians and Pakistanis in Indian and Pak Rupees because cost of living is less in India and Pakistan. One who is being paid QAR20,000 should be paid PKR20,000 because he can live in Pakistan in this pay. He lives in Pakistan, his kids study there, he buys daily grocery from Pakistan and comes to work from there to Doha every morning.

By mathboy• 19 Mar 2010 10:42

Life is not fair.

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