My husband has been offered a position within Qatar airways. The position is a level 9. Could anyone tell us what the company accommodation would be like for this level. We need to make a decision quickly so any replys would be great.
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wanted to know whether we need to know someone there in the IT dept to get a job there or do they hire if there is vacancy...
iam a certified oracle DBA and holding a Masters degree in computer applications but have an exp of less than six months as a DBA.wht u suggest abt this..........any info would be appreciated ....
i wanted to know whether we need to know someone there in the IT dept to get a job there or do they hire if there is vacancy...
iam a certified oracle DBA and holding a Masters degree in computer applications but have an exp of less than six months as a DBA.wht u suggest abt this..........any info would be appreciated ....
Good for you felix....I guess this is the only way they might get it in their heads that they wont be able to recruit skilled professionals from the west unless they offer a lucrative and fair renumeration package.
You must be lucky. I was offered a Grade 8 job with a base of 11500QAR and the same allowances. I countered for a higher amount, which the kindly replied that the offer stands as is after manager review. So I turned it down.
I want to thank everyone for all their help and comments.
Oh you surprise me with the news that some grade 7 get 3-br apartments. I don't want to link this to 'that' familiar issue again but I would guess some people in the facility dept see people in that way.
For housing allowances, they have removed part of it for new employees, so don't compare their current allowance level with what you received before.
which should make you eligible for a 3 bedroom accomodation or an allowance which should be equivalent to that....if you browse thru QL u'll see that there's not much available in 5000QR...
The salary is really a joke....u'd feel really bad if you heard that others in the same grade are making a whole lot...but then people say that you really shouldnt question anything nor compare??? I really dont agree with this one, but then it really boils down what your options are, and how the offer compares to your present earnings/priorities.
I think there is a lot you can negotiate for....and
if they need you they'll pay you.
Think-Twice....we knew a couple of grade 7 employees who were offered 3 bedroom accomodations!! However, what was more funny was that we also knew some grade 8 managers who were living in 2 bedroom apartments. It was awful cuz it created an unhealthy atmosphere where the manager was enjoying fewer benefits and people under him more????
I'm sorry if you are from the US you will not get far on that package. (Whether you are white or not is irrelevant, if that's important for you probably best to stay where you are)
its kinda difficult to say what the salary range is for each of these grades, because what they'll pay you will depend on several factors such as your (in the order of importance :-)...your skin colour, your passport, how you present yourself, your experience, and finally your skills and qualifications!!!!
wouldnt want to generalize to all grades but do know for sure that for grades 7 & 8 if:
1) you're a US citizen, being hired from the US, have non relevant experience of 5-10 years of work in the US, and a non-white you might end up with QR 10,000 + accomodation (i.e 2 bedroom apartment).
2) you're a US citizen, being hired from the US, have relevant experience of 5-10 years in the US, non-white you might end up with QR 18,000 + accomodation (i.e 2 bedrooms apt)
3) you're a US citizen, being hired from the US, have non-relevant experience of however many/or less years, but you're white (caucasian) you might end up with QR 25,000-QR30,000 + accomodation (i.e 3 bedrooms apt)
4) citizens of the indian subcontinent and other middle eastern countries having similar skills have a lower pay bracket.
just a side note: the above is what I know from my experience as a former QR employee...policies keep changing!!! Also I dont intend to offend the citizens of any country the above is truly how QR and other middle eastern employers discriminate among the pay scales of their employees.
Hey there ash_w: could you elaborate on the salary ranges for these grades? That would be most beneficial as I am about to go for second/third round interview in commercial department (so I have been led to believe the dept.)
Internet connection is available through company (service provided by QTEL) Your monthly subscription will be duduct from your salary. QR does not provide free internet to its'employees
Usually take a week to get connected. That if the office is not too busy.
Hi tiger9p, I guess you belong to flight deck crew, so you enjoy an extra 50kg of unaccompanied baggages. I belong to an office grade, so I am entitled to 100 kg only. You will know the details when they send you joining formalities.
However, I didn't use it at all, as most of my stuffs are books. I used my friend's company to move them ex-HK to Doha (by ship). They told me my books weight 530kg! I would be broke if I shipped them by air ...
Thanks again "Think-Twice" I have been to the Ramada before. I spend 3 nights there for my interview. I love the walkway to the gym and swimming pool. It's nice and relaxing. My joining date will be on October 20th. I would actually prefer a company apartment rather than finding my own cuz the rent there are so high and unpredictable. I just hate the way some landlord there hike up the price for no reason.
The hotel is nice, but where will you put all of your stuff? QR entitle you to bring 150 kgs of baggages, and I think that it will occupy most space inside the room.
Another good thing about Ramada is free high speed internet inside every room.
If you are joining QR from another country, you will be put in a hotel (guess they always book Ramada Hotel) for 1st 21 days. The hotel is good, with swimming pool, gym, tennis courts & other facilities. Many restaurants & shops are nearby, so no worries.
During this period either they would search for an apartment (upon your chasing) or you would look for your own accomodation. I haven't got a chance to see the company apartment, so I can't tell how it's like.
"Think-Twice" Thanks so much for your information! I will try to contact them like 2 weeks before my joining date, that way thing can be correct if needed.
One other question. Does QR put you in a hotel or their apartmnet right after you have arrived in Doha?
Do QR provide you with immediate housing upon ur arrival in Doha? What kinda accomodation do they put you in while Housing dept sort out ur new place? Any idea how long the interim period has been ? Also, do the housing provide by QR are in compounds wif facilities like pool & gym or merely just an apartment and parking ?
Toger9p, short notice in my case. I left my hometown on 17-Sep but I receive my visa, air ticket and joining pack only one week before.
You must keep chasing, because you won't have enough time for correction in case any discrepency occurs on your joining formalities. In my case, they put my name wrongly on the air ticket.
I just wonder on how many days in advance does QR give you your joining instruction? My joining date will be on October 20th and I still haven't got any information from them yet.
Yes AZ, they will start searching for an apartment for you after you have reported duty here. I came here this Monday and they only told the people to look for apartment for me.
I am told that apartments are generally decent (some are older though). But you may need to think about the locations ...
I'll be arriving to Doha with my family on the 15th of October to work for QR i've asked them which area the apartment is in they have told me that they don't know yet it depende on wats available when we arrive. Apparently they have accomodation located everywhere. So i guess we'll see when we get there. fingers crossed it will be somewhere decent.LOL!
Thank you for your replies can anyone tell me where in Doha most of the Qatar airways staff accommodation is located. Is it close to schools etc.. Thanks
on a side note just want to share what happened with a friend who has just joined...prior to coming he was told that QR wil probably give him accomodation in a new building. Looking forward to a brand new accomodation he arrives here, goes to see the accomodation...doesnt look new at all, well guess what, upon inquiry he's told that what they meant by "new" was not newly constructed but in fact newly "acquired"!!!
I have heard that Qatar airways is building a big housing complex out near the new airport, does anyone know anything about it and if so when it will be ready. thanks
I just started a forum topic as below. When I read your posts as above, I felt I should write in here.
I am an Indian, moving into Doha, Qatar by mid October. Can somebody please advice me on where to take good family accomodation ? Some of my friends advised me to take accomodation in a place called Old Airport Area. Are 2 or 3 BHK apartments available here ? Or small Villas ? What kind of rents should I expect ?
Also, what car should I be looking at (new) for a price of approximately QR 75000 to 85000 ?
I am looking for a peaceful and good life in Doha. Hope, this is a first step towards that.
I dont think there are 4 bedroom apartments here...u'll have to go for a villa which will probably cost over 12,000 QAR (dont be mislead by some of the prices that seem to be on the lower side, because those properties must have some flaw...)
For a better feel of the market you should check out the classified section @ www.gulf-times.com
I really cant say at what rate the rents are appreciating...its basically upto the good ol' landlord.
You'd probably get more replies if you post this question as a separate thread!
I am being offered a job in a private sector. I am wondering what is the rental housing cost per month for a 3-4 bedroom appartment (unfurnished to fully furnished) some 30 to 45 minutes drive from the Airport. I heard different figures ranging from QAR7000/month to QAR20,000/month. I need to make a decision on the offer and would appreciate if someone can respond with the latest rental figures of 2007. Additionally, how much should I expect the rent to go up every year?
They explained me the accomodation during open day, during which my position and grade were undecided. I suppose what they said was a min arrangement available. I only knew my grade (7) after receiving their offer, so I will take your experience and see what happens.
It'll be a real surprise if I could live in a 2-bedroom apartment. I have never lived in such an apartment in HK in my entire life!
There you go....i dont understand why u'll be sharing your apartment if u're in grade 7?
As far as I know its quite clear that grade 7 employees are eligible for a 2 bedroom ff apartment (independent).
Either u're not in grade 7, and they'll surprise you by saying that when you get here. Or, you may be in grade 7 but they're just trying to play around with you...so u'll just settle for what they give you.....its just beyond me!
It's valuable info. I will move to Doha for QR soon. What approach do you recommend for dealing with their housing dept? Will they show you several apartments for choice (I am in grade 7), or do they just assign one? They told me the apartment is shared (for common areas, e.g. kitchen, sitting room), so what do you recommend us to do to get the right 'mix'?
I'm not sure what dept. u all will be joining, as the levels may vary across departments. For the commercial dept. its something like this:
grade 7 gets 2 bedroom ff apartment
grade 8 gets 3 bedroom ff apartment
grade 9 also gets 3 bedroom ff apartment
grade 10 or more gets a villa
The apartment buildings owned by QR are scattered all over the town, all vary in sizes and quality. There housing dept. is extremely disorganized and to a certain extent deceitful, because they'll try to get away by showing you the worst place even if better ones are available.
If we could do it over, we'd probably ask for photos or better yet come down here and see the place....it'll be worth the trouble!
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do u work for QR ultraviolet,
wanted to know whether we need to know someone there in the IT dept to get a job there or do they hire if there is vacancy...
iam a certified oracle DBA and holding a Masters degree in computer applications but have an exp of less than six months as a DBA.wht u suggest abt this..........any info would be appreciated ....
wht grade n salary can i expect from them.....
thanks in advance....
Overall package is good. However, what is Housing - 1/2 bedroom apartment?
hello ash_w,
would like to work for QR....
i wanted to know whether we need to know someone there in the IT dept to get a job there or do they hire if there is vacancy...
iam a certified oracle DBA and holding a Masters degree in computer applications but have an exp of less than six months as a DBA.wht u suggest abt this..........any info would be appreciated ....
wht grade n salary can i expect from them.....
thanks in advance....
rgds.
Good for you felix....I guess this is the only way they might get it in their heads that they wont be able to recruit skilled professionals from the west unless they offer a lucrative and fair renumeration package.
Well Alecia,
You must be lucky. I was offered a Grade 8 job with a base of 11500QAR and the same allowances. I countered for a higher amount, which the kindly replied that the offer stands as is after manager review. So I turned it down.
I want to thank everyone for all their help and comments.
Enjoy life....
Hi,
am just seeking some advice was wondering if the package that was offered to me is fair:
Grade 7
Basic salary 13,000
Housing - 1/2 bedroom apartment
Transport 1,250
Utilities 300
Any advice you can give is greatly appreciated.
you can also contact me at [email protected]
Alecia
Hi,
Oh you surprise me with the news that some grade 7 get 3-br apartments. I don't want to link this to 'that' familiar issue again but I would guess some people in the facility dept see people in that way.
For housing allowances, they have removed part of it for new employees, so don't compare their current allowance level with what you received before.
Think2
grade 8 is usually a managerial designation.
which should make you eligible for a 3 bedroom accomodation or an allowance which should be equivalent to that....if you browse thru QL u'll see that there's not much available in 5000QR...
The salary is really a joke....u'd feel really bad if you heard that others in the same grade are making a whole lot...but then people say that you really shouldnt question anything nor compare??? I really dont agree with this one, but then it really boils down what your options are, and how the offer compares to your present earnings/priorities.
I think there is a lot you can negotiate for....and
if they need you they'll pay you.
Think-Twice....we knew a couple of grade 7 employees who were offered 3 bedroom accomodations!! However, what was more funny was that we also knew some grade 8 managers who were living in 2 bedroom apartments. It was awful cuz it created an unhealthy atmosphere where the manager was enjoying fewer benefits and people under him more????
Hi
felix415, I have PM you, please check.
Think2
I'm sorry if you are from the US you will not get far on that package. (Whether you are white or not is irrelevant, if that's important for you probably best to stay where you are)
Hey ash_w, so here is the offer. personally I was expecting a bit more but how fair do you believe this is:
Grade 8 Title
Basic salary 11,500
Housing 5,000
Transport 1,250
Utilities 300
Laundry 70
Plus school up to 35,000 (except that I have no children)
I have 18 years total airline experience which include 8 years of control centre operations (which is what I am being offered)
I am concerned that the mecdical insurance does not include dental and from looking at the housuing market in Doha 5,000 doesn't get a lot.
PS (US citizen white)
Hi,
QR25000-30000? I think it's for manager, i.e. grade 8. For grade 7, I would guess less than QR20000.
But for housing, my understanding is same as you. I am not sure if any grade 7 ever has the luck of being allocated a 3br apartment ...
Think2
its kinda difficult to say what the salary range is for each of these grades, because what they'll pay you will depend on several factors such as your (in the order of importance :-)...your skin colour, your passport, how you present yourself, your experience, and finally your skills and qualifications!!!!
wouldnt want to generalize to all grades but do know for sure that for grades 7 & 8 if:
1) you're a US citizen, being hired from the US, have non relevant experience of 5-10 years of work in the US, and a non-white you might end up with QR 10,000 + accomodation (i.e 2 bedroom apartment).
2) you're a US citizen, being hired from the US, have relevant experience of 5-10 years in the US, non-white you might end up with QR 18,000 + accomodation (i.e 2 bedrooms apt)
3) you're a US citizen, being hired from the US, have non-relevant experience of however many/or less years, but you're white (caucasian) you might end up with QR 25,000-QR30,000 + accomodation (i.e 3 bedrooms apt)
4) citizens of the indian subcontinent and other middle eastern countries having similar skills have a lower pay bracket.
just a side note: the above is what I know from my experience as a former QR employee...policies keep changing!!! Also I dont intend to offend the citizens of any country the above is truly how QR and other middle eastern employers discriminate among the pay scales of their employees.
Hey there ash_w: could you elaborate on the salary ranges for these grades? That would be most beneficial as I am about to go for second/third round interview in commercial department (so I have been led to believe the dept.)
okay, thank you for the useful info.
cheerios
Internet connection is available through company (service provided by QTEL) Your monthly subscription will be duduct from your salary. QR does not provide free internet to its'employees
Usually take a week to get connected. That if the office is not too busy.
Hi,
Yes, for those I visited.
Think2
hi there,
i am just checking if the QR staff accomodation is equipped with internet connection?
cheerios
kynne
Hi dolmat, Tiger9p is correct. No monetary allowance for relocation as in my case.
Think2
a little progress everyday adds up to big results
"Think-Twice" Yes I'm joining QR as a cockpit crew. Thanks so much for giving me very useful information :)
QR only offer baggae allowance, but do not offer packing, moving / transport and agency handling charges.
Do QR provide relocation allowance and how much will that be ?
Hi tiger9p, I guess you belong to flight deck crew, so you enjoy an extra 50kg of unaccompanied baggages. I belong to an office grade, so I am entitled to 100 kg only. You will know the details when they send you joining formalities.
However, I didn't use it at all, as most of my stuffs are books. I used my friend's company to move them ex-HK to Doha (by ship). They told me my books weight 530kg! I would be broke if I shipped them by air ...
Think2
a little progress everyday adds up to big results
Thanks again "Think-Twice" I have been to the Ramada before. I spend 3 nights there for my interview. I love the walkway to the gym and swimming pool. It's nice and relaxing. My joining date will be on October 20th. I would actually prefer a company apartment rather than finding my own cuz the rent there are so high and unpredictable. I just hate the way some landlord there hike up the price for no reason.
The hotel is nice, but where will you put all of your stuff? QR entitle you to bring 150 kgs of baggages, and I think that it will occupy most space inside the room.
Another good thing about Ramada is free high speed internet inside every room.
Hello,
If you are joining QR from another country, you will be put in a hotel (guess they always book Ramada Hotel) for 1st 21 days. The hotel is good, with swimming pool, gym, tennis courts & other facilities. Many restaurants & shops are nearby, so no worries.
During this period either they would search for an apartment (upon your chasing) or you would look for your own accomodation. I haven't got a chance to see the company apartment, so I can't tell how it's like.
Think2
a little progress everyday adds up to big results
"Think-Twice" Thanks so much for your information! I will try to contact them like 2 weeks before my joining date, that way thing can be correct if needed.
One other question. Does QR put you in a hotel or their apartmnet right after you have arrived in Doha?
Thanks so much!
Do QR provide you with immediate housing upon ur arrival in Doha? What kinda accomodation do they put you in while Housing dept sort out ur new place? Any idea how long the interim period has been ? Also, do the housing provide by QR are in compounds wif facilities like pool & gym or merely just an apartment and parking ?
Toger9p, short notice in my case. I left my hometown on 17-Sep but I receive my visa, air ticket and joining pack only one week before.
You must keep chasing, because you won't have enough time for correction in case any discrepency occurs on your joining formalities. In my case, they put my name wrongly on the air ticket.
Think2
a little progress everyday adds up to big results
I just wonder on how many days in advance does QR give you your joining instruction? My joining date will be on October 20th and I still haven't got any information from them yet.
Yes AZ, they will start searching for an apartment for you after you have reported duty here. I came here this Monday and they only told the people to look for apartment for me.
I am told that apartments are generally decent (some are older though). But you may need to think about the locations ...
Thanx.
Think2
a little progress everyday adds up to big results
I'll be arriving to Doha with my family on the 15th of October to work for QR i've asked them which area the apartment is in they have told me that they don't know yet it depende on wats available when we arrive. Apparently they have accomodation located everywhere. So i guess we'll see when we get there. fingers crossed it will be somewhere decent.LOL!
Thank you for your replies can anyone tell me where in Doha most of the Qatar airways staff accommodation is located. Is it close to schools etc.. Thanks
Thanks ash_w. Do they show staff several apartments for choice after staff arrives?
Think2
a little progress everyday adds up to big results
on a side note just want to share what happened with a friend who has just joined...prior to coming he was told that QR wil probably give him accomodation in a new building. Looking forward to a brand new accomodation he arrives here, goes to see the accomodation...doesnt look new at all, well guess what, upon inquiry he's told that what they meant by "new" was not newly constructed but in fact newly "acquired"!!!
hmmmm...no clue, but will certainly try to find out!!!
I have heard that Qatar airways is building a big housing complex out near the new airport, does anyone know anything about it and if so when it will be ready. thanks
Thank you ash_w, let's hope it'll be a nice surprise!
Think2
a little progress everyday adds up to big results
Hi friends,
I just started a forum topic as below. When I read your posts as above, I felt I should write in here.
I am an Indian, moving into Doha, Qatar by mid October. Can somebody please advice me on where to take good family accomodation ? Some of my friends advised me to take accomodation in a place called Old Airport Area. Are 2 or 3 BHK apartments available here ? Or small Villas ? What kind of rents should I expect ?
Also, what car should I be looking at (new) for a price of approximately QR 75000 to 85000 ?
I am looking for a peaceful and good life in Doha. Hope, this is a first step towards that.
Many thanks in advance,
QatarIndian.
3 bedroom apartments range between 9000-12000 QAR
I dont think there are 4 bedroom apartments here...u'll have to go for a villa which will probably cost over 12,000 QAR (dont be mislead by some of the prices that seem to be on the lower side, because those properties must have some flaw...)
For a better feel of the market you should check out the classified section @ www.gulf-times.com
I really cant say at what rate the rents are appreciating...its basically upto the good ol' landlord.
You'd probably get more replies if you post this question as a separate thread!
Good for you that u'll be getting something above ur expectations!!!
Keep ur fingers crossed!!
I am being offered a job in a private sector. I am wondering what is the rental housing cost per month for a 3-4 bedroom appartment (unfurnished to fully furnished) some 30 to 45 minutes drive from the Airport. I heard different figures ranging from QAR7000/month to QAR20,000/month. I need to make a decision on the offer and would appreciate if someone can respond with the latest rental figures of 2007. Additionally, how much should I expect the rent to go up every year?
Oh ash_w,
They explained me the accomodation during open day, during which my position and grade were undecided. I suppose what they said was a min arrangement available. I only knew my grade (7) after receiving their offer, so I will take your experience and see what happens.
It'll be a real surprise if I could live in a 2-bedroom apartment. I have never lived in such an apartment in HK in my entire life!
Think2
a little progress everyday adds up to big results
Guess that I will have to deal with them in October also. I'm moving there to join QR in October.
There you go....i dont understand why u'll be sharing your apartment if u're in grade 7?
As far as I know its quite clear that grade 7 employees are eligible for a 2 bedroom ff apartment (independent).
Either u're not in grade 7, and they'll surprise you by saying that when you get here. Or, you may be in grade 7 but they're just trying to play around with you...so u'll just settle for what they give you.....its just beyond me!
BTW, you will be on family status, eh?
Hi ash_w,
It's valuable info. I will move to Doha for QR soon. What approach do you recommend for dealing with their housing dept? Will they show you several apartments for choice (I am in grade 7), or do they just assign one? They told me the apartment is shared (for common areas, e.g. kitchen, sitting room), so what do you recommend us to do to get the right 'mix'?
Thanks.
Think2
a little progress everyday adds up to big results
I'm not sure what dept. u all will be joining, as the levels may vary across departments. For the commercial dept. its something like this:
grade 7 gets 2 bedroom ff apartment
grade 8 gets 3 bedroom ff apartment
grade 9 also gets 3 bedroom ff apartment
grade 10 or more gets a villa
The apartment buildings owned by QR are scattered all over the town, all vary in sizes and quality. There housing dept. is extremely disorganized and to a certain extent deceitful, because they'll try to get away by showing you the worst place even if better ones are available.
If we could do it over, we'd probably ask for photos or better yet come down here and see the place....it'll be worth the trouble!
well....if they are providing accomodation then i think it will be a flat ...