After that verbose lecture of mine, I suppose my point in discussing all this is:

Can all those involved in these threads. please, perhaps take these three factual differences onboard, instead of the usual slanging and insulting which seems to have two sides:

One side demands and loudly shouts for the right to walk around Villaggio with their breasts popping out, gin and tonic in one hand a bacon sandwich in the other

The other side is so appalled by the moral depravity of that scary, wicked, horrible place called the "west" (populated by "westerns"!!) that they cannot get past the horror of the statistics about 'how many women are raped every minute in USA! is that what you call freedom?!?!?!' and comments like 'i just don't understand why you don't want to execute homosexuals and adulterers by stoning! honestly! to me, that just makes no sense whatsoever' ...

Seems to me without this, this arguing will last for eternity. And we'll still be trading the same old insults at the other side..